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There has been non-stop helicopter noise for the past few hours over central Manchester.
Can they not get the train?
Or it could be the police trying to thwart us champagne socialists. Keep us in our places. |
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It was hell last time I was there with the same thing. I'm staying down here and avoiding tv news as I value my sanity.
Worst thing anyone's said to Bear Grylls is that he resembled George Osborne. |
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"It was hell last time I was there with the same thing. I'm staying down here and avoiding tv news as I value my sanity.
Worst thing anyone's said to Bear Grylls is that he resembled George Osborne."
I read that on The G 
I thought he'd have loved the comparison. |
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"1984.
But in 2015. 
I swear to god they haven't stopped the past few hours. So noisy.
Keeping a very close eye on the protestors. "
In case one of their banners is a disguised rocket launcher. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I swear to god they haven't stopped the past few hours. So noisy.
Keeping a very close eye on the protestors.
In case one of their banners is a disguised rocket launcher. "
Or in case Pig Rescue is amongst them. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I swear to god they haven't stopped the past few hours. So noisy.
Keeping a very close eye on the protestors.
In case one of their banners is a disguised rocket launcher.
Or in case Pig Rescue is amongst them. "
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Watch John Carpenter's "They Live" ( as per my avatar )- that movie is as relevant now as it was then ( Reagan / Thatcher era )...if not more so.
It is the sci-go thriller equivalent to " Grapes of Wrath " |
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"Watch John Carpenter's "They Live" ( as per my avatar )- that movie is as relevant now as it was then ( Reagan / Thatcher era )...if not more so.
It is the sci-go thriller equivalent to " Grapes of Wrath ""
Second this.
Watch the The Time Machine, 60s version. Even if you think the film is dated, you can't deny the concepts are not. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video. "
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining."
Love it.
In the first breath their paranoid and wrong to suspect people as violent, in the second of course it's OK to physically attack random members because they are affiliated with the group you don't like.
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Love it.
In the first breath their paranoid and wrong to suspect people as violent, in the second of course it's OK to physically attack random members because they are affiliated with the group you don't like.
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I never said I agreed with the egging, but it's a trivial thing compared top the suffering they have caused. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Love it.
In the first breath their paranoid and wrong to suspect people as violent, in the second of course it's OK to physically attack random members because they are affiliated with the group you don't like.
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He didn't say half of that, i did.
Anyway yeah they really need helicopters and police to protect them against eggs.
They need to stop with their murderous policies. It us lot who need protecting. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining."
I feel sorry for a lot of things including the disabled. Egging a lone Tory supporter not even a member of the cabinet is just silly and will accomplish nothing.
Marching with pride and dignity over austerity sends a powerful message.
Doing that just diverts attention from the message. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?"
If it was 1984 the crowd would be there cheering.
Brave new world is way more applicable than 1984 ever has been |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
I feel sorry for a lot of things including the disabled. Egging a lone Tory supporter not even a member of the cabinet is just silly and will accomplish nothing.
Marching with pride and dignity over austerity sends a powerful message.
Doing that just diverts attention from the message. "
I agree with your point, but people feel frustrated, I know egg throwing is trivial and has never solved anything, but there is focus on it as a bad thing, in light of what else has happened and is happening, it wasn't personal dig at you, just observation.
To be honest, they just laugh at these protests, so people unfortunately feel the need to resort to violence. It's an enormous mess all round. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining."
. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference . |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?
If it was 1984 the crowd would be there cheering.
Brave new world is way more applicable than 1984 ever has been"
I agree, 1984 was just a reference to the Helicopters, Brave New World and The Time Machine ( Eloi and Morlocks ), are probably more accurate. |
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If 80 thousand people were marching through any city centre does it not make perfect sense to have a helicopter up giving an aerial _iew of things to make things safer?
Any large event with this volume of people irrespective of its theme usually has a helicopter above it?
The Notting hill carnivals the same. Media choppers and po po all over the sky. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?
If it was 1984 the crowd would be there cheering.
Brave new world is way more applicable than 1984 ever has been"
Dunno, never really understood Ayn Rand properly tbh. I get mixed messages off her stuff, might be because i can't empathise with her so don't get her exactly.
Probably are people cheering for them, after all they didn't win the election without fans. But their fans probably aren't brain washed, they're just how society has turned out because people are more selfish now, they've got nothing to be unselfish for any more. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference ."
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?"
If my memory serves me right I believe it was the Blair Socialist Experiment from 1997-2010 which turned this once great country into "police state" .They were the ones who spearheaded the CCTV cameras ,adopted new speak and double speak,heralded political correctness and generally fucked the whole place up.
Short memories or what.
David Cameron and his cabinet should be welcomed as saviours for trying to undo all the shit that we got into during those dark and sinister years with New Labour.
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I was a labour supporter through and through however one illegal war and a huge body count later coupled with huge national debt my support has gone.
Life is pretty good for me right now through hard work and circumstance and I'm grateful for what I have. It's hard to pick a party that means something anymore.
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?
If my memory serves me right I believe it was the Blair Socialist Experiment from 1997-2010 which turned this once great country into "police state" .They were the ones who spearheaded the CCTV cameras ,adopted new speak and double speak,heralded political correctness and generally fucked the whole place up.
Short memories or what.
David Cameron and his cabinet should be welcomed as saviours for trying to undo all the shit that we got into during those dark and sinister years with New Labour.
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This topics about the tories though. I don't take sides with any political party, just to make that clear, i see faults in every single one and the system that makes it so they don't work together to fix things and instead cause division. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it."
. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off . |
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What a good day for a protest. The weather is lovely and people seemed jolly.
I went to the corner to cheer them on, but I'm now home, back in my PJs with a Lemsip and tissues
Lots of pig masks as expected |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off ."
They have conned you. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
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Simply put because they are twats. The egg thrower should've got a John Prescott style jab to the face. If a tory had jabbed a protestor though there would be uproar about it, but when Prescott does it its ok he was defending himself, lol.
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off ."
Do you have any tangible examples of where the less well off are better off now than they were? |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it..
I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off ."
You thought wrong.
I remember their policy of making families better off. That never happened, and now tax credits are gonna be shrunk even more so that you get less tax credits if able to claim them, the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them.
And if that ham faced monster, Cameron, ever lauds about hard working families one more time, while shafting them using laws, then i would personally love to be violent to him myself.
The only economy the majority of politicians give a shit about are the ones that make the incredibly wealthy better off, which includes most of themselves. |
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"1984.
But in 2015.
I'm going to guess you've never read 1984 then.
You've gotta at least admit they do double speak and newspeak?
If it was 1984 the crowd would be there cheering.
Brave new world is way more applicable than 1984 ever has been
Dunno, never really understood Ayn Rand properly tbh. I get mixed messages off her stuff, might be because i can't empathise with her so don't get her exactly.
Probably are people cheering for them, after all they didn't win the election without fans. But their fans probably aren't brain washed, they're just how society has turned out because people are more selfish now, they've got nothing to be unselfish for any more. "
Neither brave new world nor 1984 are written by ayn rand... |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off .
Do you have any tangible examples of where the less well off are better off now than they were? "
Everyone who earns has benighted from the increased tax free alowance under the coilition and the current tory government? |
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them "
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages? |
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages?"
I think she's complaining that the wage increase is not as much as the tax credits and so they have given a bit with one hand but taken more with the other. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off .
Do you have any tangible examples of where the less well off are better off now than they were?
Everyone who earns has benighted from the increased tax free alowance under the coilition and the current tory government? "
Which has meant a reduction of around £25bn a year in public services.
But when people aren't paying tax it's easy to deny them public benefits/services. Very clever ploy by the Tories.
So when people on minimum wage start saying "we want what we've paid for" - the government can turn to them and say "you don't really pay for anything so beat it"! |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off .
Do you have any tangible examples of where the less well off are better off now than they were?
Everyone who earns has benighted from the increased tax free alowance under the coilition and the current tory government?
Which has meant a reduction of around £25bn a year in public services.
But when people aren't paying tax it's easy to deny them public benefits/services. Very clever ploy by the Tories.
So when people on minimum wage start saying "we want what we've paid for" - the government can turn to them and say "you don't really pay for anything so beat it"! "
Source for that figure please? Reliablethat shows a 25 billion pound drop in tax income |
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages?"
You know as well as I that Gordon Broon's grand attempt at redistribution of wealth via Tax credits was a well-meaning nightmare that enabled corporates to keep pay low - the g'ment will top you up.
The 20p her hour increase comes in in shortly but doubt it will have much of an impact on those at the bottom of the pile (£6:50 p/hr to 6:70 p/h).
And the living wage...? Don't we have to wait until 2020 for that to go to £9 p/hr...
In short:
TAX THE RICH |
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages?
You know as well as I that Gordon Broon's grand attempt at redistribution of wealth via Tax credits was a well-meaning nightmare that enabled corporates to keep pay low - the g'ment will top you up.
The 20p her hour increase comes in in shortly but doubt it will have much of an impact on those at the bottom of the pile (£6:50 p/hr to 6:70 p/h).
And the living wage...? Don't we have to wait until 2020 for that to go to £9 p/hr...
In short:
TAX THE RICH"
Top 1% pay 25% of all income tax
Top 10% pay 50% of all income tax
with the top 50% paying about 90% of the total take.
.so we kinda already do tax the rich |
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"Ayn Rand is for children
Well, teenagers probably. But it's toss.
Huxley wrote brave new world though lol
And what have they got in common?"
Never read rand tbh.
I just like brave new world quite accurate depiction that we will not be oppressed through force like 1984 but that we will be controlled by our own pursuit of pointless distractions.
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages?
You know as well as I that Gordon Broon's grand attempt at redistribution of wealth via Tax credits was a well-meaning nightmare that enabled corporates to keep pay low - the g'ment will top you up.
The 20p her hour increase comes in in shortly but doubt it will have much of an impact on those at the bottom of the pile (£6:50 p/hr to 6:70 p/h).
And the living wage...? Don't we have to wait until 2020 for that to go to £9 p/hr...
In short:
TAX THE RICH
Top 1% pay 25% of all income tax
Top 10% pay 50% of all income tax
with the top 50% paying about 90% of the total take.
.so we kinda already do tax the rich"
Stats/links pls!
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off .
Do you have any tangible examples of where the less well off are better off now than they were?
Everyone who earns has benighted from the increased tax free alowance under the coilition and the current tory government?
Which has meant a reduction of around £25bn a year in public services.
But when people aren't paying tax it's easy to deny them public benefits/services. Very clever ploy by the Tories.
So when people on minimum wage start saying "we want what we've paid for" - the government can turn to them and say "you don't really pay for anything so beat it"!
Source for that figure please? Reliablethat shows a 25 billion pound drop in tax income "
I can't find the BBC link that it's based on.
But here's a different link talking about raising the threshold from 10k-12.5k and it costing £12bn.
So do the maths if you want for when it was raised from 6.5k-10.5k based on those figures.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/how-much-will-cameron-s-tax-changes-cost |
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" the new wage increase being brought in by law makes many workers not even eligible to claim them
Wait you're complaining their rasing the minimum wage to a level that's above the need for the government to top up their wages?
You know as well as I that Gordon Broon's grand attempt at redistribution of wealth via Tax credits was a well-meaning nightmare that enabled corporates to keep pay low - the g'ment will top you up.
The 20p her hour increase comes in in shortly but doubt it will have much of an impact on those at the bottom of the pile (£6:50 p/hr to 6:70 p/h).
And the living wage...? Don't we have to wait until 2020 for that to go to £9 p/hr...
In short:
TAX THE RICH
Top 1% pay 25% of all income tax
Top 10% pay 50% of all income tax
with the top 50% paying about 90% of the total take.
.so we kinda already do tax the rich"
Just had a quick Google on this quite surprising.
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The British public dramatically underestimate what the poorest pay in tax and wrongly believe the richest face the biggest tax burden, according to new research that calls for a more progressive system.
The poorest 10% of households pay eight percentage points more of their income in all taxes than the richest – 43% compared to 35%, according to a report from the Equality Trust. |
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There is a gulf between perceptions of the tax system and reality. Its poll, conducted with Ipsos Mori found that nearly seven in ten people believe that households in the highest 10% income group pay more of their income in tax than those in the lowest 10%.
The survey of more than 1,000 people also found a strong majority – 96% – believe that the tax system should be more progressive than is currently the case. |
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Not a single respondent in the poll knew how much the richest and poorest paid in tax. On average the public underestimates what the poorest 10% pays in tax by 19 percentage points, believing they pay just 24% of their income in taxes, the Equality Trust said.
When asked about how to make the tax system fairer, on average, people said the poorest 10% should be taxed just 15% of their income, or 28% percentage points less than they currently are. They believe the richest 10% should be taxed 39%, or 4 percentage points more than now.
The report said the higher percentage paid by the poor at the moment was down to a number of taxes.
"While income tax and national insurance are broadly progressive, the bottom 10% of households pay roughly 23% of their gross household income in indirect taxes on consumption and more than four times as much of their income in council tax as the top 10%," it said. |
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"But I'm just a cretin, so I'd pay no attention "
Obviously not as you're providing factual evidence as opposed to participating in rooftop politics.
It's a sad thing that many of us only truly evaluate what we read on social media and in trashy papers on April 1st and every other day get drawn into hysteria based tripe. |
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"Not a single respondent in the poll knew how much the richest and poorest paid in tax. On average the public underestimates what the poorest 10% pays in tax by 19 percentage points, believing they pay just 24% of their income in taxes, the Equality Trust said.
When asked about how to make the tax system fairer, on average, people said the poorest 10% should be taxed just 15% of their income, or 28% percentage points less than they currently are. They believe the richest 10% should be taxed 39%, or 4 percentage points more than now.
The report said the higher percentage paid by the poor at the moment was down to a number of taxes.
"While income tax and national insurance are broadly progressive, the bottom 10% of households pay roughly 23% of their gross household income in indirect taxes on consumption and more than four times as much of their income in council tax as the top 10%," it said."
. An excellent post . Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them. |
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"The British public dramatically underestimate what the poorest pay in tax and wrongly believe the richest face the biggest tax burden, according to new research that calls for a more progressive system.
The poorest 10% of households pay eight percentage points more of their income in all taxes than the richest – 43% compared to 35%, according to a report from the Equality Trust."
. The percentages are irrelevant . What actually matters is how much you actually pay in money term . The wealthy pay more than their fair share . |
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"The British public dramatically underestimate what the poorest pay in tax and wrongly believe the richest face the biggest tax burden, according to new research that calls for a more progressive system.
The poorest 10% of households pay eight percentage points more of their income in all taxes than the richest – 43% compared to 35%, according to a report from the Equality Trust.. The percentages are irrelevant . What actually matters is how much you actually pay in money term . The wealthy pay more than their fair share ."
That's why I said if we moved to a system like you described then we'd have to have a summary for every pensioner so we know when/if to cut them off. |
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"But I'm just a cretin, so I'd pay no attention
Obviously not as you're providing factual evidence as opposed to participating in rooftop politics.
It's a sad thing that many of us only truly evaluate what we read on social media and in trashy papers on April 1st and every other day get drawn into hysteria based tripe."
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them. "
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
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Anyone with kids in a state school better start rooting around for £5000 a year per child if this is how things are going.
Naughty socialism. |
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
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. It might be because I believe in responsibility . As it happens I provide extensive help to someone who is disabled so I don't have any hesitation in making my comments . We cannot help everyone in society and many people need to learn to help themselves .
There are people on mobility schemes driving around in better cars than me all at the expense of the tax payer.
Why should we pay for cans of cider for the unemployed ?
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
. It might be because I believe in responsibility . As it happens I provide extensive help to someone who is disabled so I don't have any hesitation in making my comments . We cannot help everyone in society and many people need to learn to help themselves .
There are people on mobility schemes driving around in better cars than me all at the expense of the tax payer.
Why should we pay for cans of cider for the unemployed ?
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Why should we pay for anything? Lets go Martial Law. |
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
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I guess it depends on the extent of wealth redistribution - what is the incentive to work hard, innovate, progress etc if there is a uniform redistribution of any additional rewards as a result to those less WILLING to do the same.
Of course you need a welfare system to appropriately support those less ABLE (there is a big difference between the two of course!)
You also need a tax system that encourages investment in the UK. Whether we like it or not, or if it doesn't fit our political ideology, the fact is that investment (and hence jobs) will flow out of the country if investors are disincentivised to stay in the UK. Lose the jobs, the poorer in society are hit hardest.
There's no right or wrong answer. Capitalism is flawed. Socialism is flawed. Communism is flawed. Then you get into grey areas as you merge bits of each ideology - how do you get the right balance? |
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"The British public dramatically underestimate what the poorest pay in tax and wrongly believe the richest face the biggest tax burden, according to new research that calls for a more progressive system.
The poorest 10% of households pay eight percentage points more of their income in all taxes than the richest – 43% compared to 35%, according to a report from the Equality Trust.. The percentages are irrelevant . What actually matters is how much you actually pay in money term . The wealthy pay more than their fair share .
That's why I said if we moved to a system like you described then we'd have to have a summary for every pensioner so we know when/if to cut them off."
I was just joking with this post but it seems the trend is following
"Cut pensioner benefits 'immediately'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965 |
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The issue seems to me that we all wish good quality public services. However with an ageing population, how are we supposed to pay for it ? The answer is not to tax the rich, which is often the college politics answer.... Why is taxing the rich the answer... I believe we should all pay a flat tax !!!
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what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
. It might be because I believe in responsibility . As it happens I provide extensive help to someone who is disabled so I don't have any hesitation in making my comments . We cannot help everyone in society and many people need to learn to help themselves .
There are people on mobility schemes driving around in better cars than me all at the expense of the tax payer.
Why should we pay for cans of cider for the unemployed ?
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there will always be those who kick the arse out of any system be they 'cider drinking unemployed', libor fiddling city types or tax evading party donor's..
so someone with a level of disability in a new mobility car that allows them the dignity and freedom to live their life is an issue you think needs addressing..?
what if they lost their legs fighting for this country or were injured policing the streets or rescuing someone's child from a house fire...?
or don't they come within your parameters of who is worthy..
so we let some in society who are unable to help themselves do what..?
rot..?
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
. It might be because I believe in responsibility . As it happens I provide extensive help to someone who is disabled so I don't have any hesitation in making my comments . We cannot help everyone in society and many people need to learn to help themselves .
There are people on mobility schemes driving around in better cars than me all at the expense of the tax payer.
Why should we pay for cans of cider for the unemployed ?
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Why not?
Good news for cider manufacturers and the readership of the Daily Mail!
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"Not a single respondent in the poll knew how much the richest and poorest paid in tax. On average the public underestimates what the poorest 10% pays in tax by 19 percentage points, believing they pay just 24% of their income in taxes, the Equality Trust said.
When asked about how to make the tax system fairer, on average, people said the poorest 10% should be taxed just 15% of their income, or 28% percentage points less than they currently are. They believe the richest 10% should be taxed 39%, or 4 percentage points more than now.
The report said the higher percentage paid by the poor at the moment was down to a number of taxes.
"While income tax and national insurance are broadly progressive, the bottom 10% of households pay roughly 23% of their gross household income in indirect taxes on consumption and more than four times as much of their income in council tax as the top 10%," it said.. An excellent post . Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them. "
I'm happy to help those who cannot help themselves it's the ones who can help themselves I begrudge paying for.
My 40p in the pound can go on the needy not a problem. If I had to pay more I would want to see a real return for the people who should have it.
By return I want to see mental health provision and care for the elderly.
And drastic cuts to those who sit on their arse all day through choice. |
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"The British public dramatically underestimate what the poorest pay in tax and wrongly believe the richest face the biggest tax burden, according to new research that calls for a more progressive system.
The poorest 10% of households pay eight percentage points more of their income in all taxes than the richest – 43% compared to 35%, according to a report from the Equality Trust.. The percentages are irrelevant . What actually matters is how much you actually pay in money term . The wealthy pay more than their fair share .
That's why I said if we moved to a system like you described then we'd have to have a summary for every pensioner so we know when/if to cut them off.
I was just joking with this post but it seems the trend is following
"Cut pensioner benefits 'immediately'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34439965"
It is interesting.
The UK's 'bloated' welfare budget (£159bn) is supposed to be reduced to £119.5 bn by the end of this Parliament.
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"The issue seems to me that we all wish good quality public services. However with an ageing population, how are we supposed to pay for it ? The answer is not to tax the rich, which is often the college politics answer.... Why is taxing the rich the answer... I believe we should all pay a flat tax !!!
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. My thoughts exactly . It would lead to a much fairer society.. |
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"However, of that' 'bloated' Welfare budget (depending on how it's counted and who you read) at *least* 47% of that goes to pensioners (then there's winter fuel allowance, bus passes &c)."
Some Tories are wanting to cut those
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So. Does that mean that the g'ment will cut the benefits of the grey zombies who can be guaranteed to stagger to the voting booths, or will they continue to squeeze the 'undeserving' poor.
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
I guess it depends on the extent of wealth redistribution - what is the incentive to work hard, innovate, progress etc if there is a uniform redistribution of any additional rewards as a result to those less WILLING to do the same.
Of course you need a welfare system to appropriately support those less ABLE (there is a big difference between the two of course!)
You also need a tax system that encourages investment in the UK. Whether we like it or not, or if it doesn't fit our political ideology, the fact is that investment (and hence jobs) will flow out of the country if investors are disincentivised to stay in the UK. Lose the jobs, the poorer in society are hit hardest.
There's no right or wrong answer. Capitalism is flawed. Socialism is flawed. Communism is flawed. Then you get into grey areas as you merge bits of each ideology - how do you get the right balance? "
the willing and the able are both very good points, i hate that some people have taken the piss for generations be they sat in a 'council house or on their yacht'..
mind you when we've cut the peoples jobs who can d that what do we expect..
it goes against my core beliefs that anyone capable of contributing is handed it on a plate but we seem to be using 'drift nets' policy instead of looking at those who are taking the rise again at both ends of the scale..
how any society looks after its elderly, less able etc is a mark of that society and those within it who mandate it or turn a blind eye and use an excuse to ignore the reality for some..
i'm not sure i like what i see the way its going, whatever the 'causes' and who's fault it was.. |
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"The issue seems to me that we all wish good quality public services. However with an ageing population, how are we supposed to pay for it ? The answer is not to tax the rich, which is often the college politics answer.... Why is taxing the rich the answer... I believe we should all pay a flat tax !!!
. My thoughts exactly . It would lead to a much fairer society.."
Flat tax means those with more pay proportionately less and those with less pay proportionately more, which is already happening.
A flat tax would only be fair if everyone is on equal pay. The answer is not to take from those with less, as it's pointless, those with more have more to take so it makes sense to take from them. This isn't happening.
This is one reason why our economy is fucked up, people can't spend what they haven't got. Everyone needs to buy things, the price of the needs have gone up yes the source of paying for these needs has not. It's basically forcing people to pay for things and swaying what people pay for. I don't believe this is a free market but there you go.
Why not let us have a free market and give people proper wages, at the expense of ridiculous wages for the top earning people, then people have more choice where their money goes?
Money makes money, taking money from others means they can't make money and are reliant on others for financial security. This doesn't make sense if an economy wants to make more money, unless it's forcing money into certain areas. There's way more people in poverty than not, why not let them contribute and invest in a way they see fit? Globally this would ensure a stable economy and boost local ones, and investment would be more based on actual services/products that people want because people would buy stuff that's useful and profits would go up based on the reality of what people want, and idk it just makes sense to me. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining."
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people. |
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Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
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Then it's a wonder why Thatcher was happy to do it for so long, paid for by the City.
Blair carried on her legacy and now the Tories wonder why things are the way they are. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
I feel sorry for a lot of things including the disabled. Egging a lone Tory supporter not even a member of the cabinet is just silly and will accomplish nothing.
Marching with pride and dignity over austerity sends a powerful message.
Doing that just diverts attention from the message. "
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"I am happy to pay higher rate taxes to support the disabled, people looking for work and other vulnerable people.
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Me too. We shouldn't have to though if they taxed the rich and super rich more.
Tory policies are based on higher wages, less tax and less welfare. Fair enough if they can pay for it.
My girlfriends never had a job, she's 26. Her mums been on benefits (6 kids though) all her life.
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"I was a labour supporter through and through however one illegal war and a huge body count later coupled with huge national debt my support has gone.
Life is pretty good for me right now through hard work and circumstance and I'm grateful for what I have. It's hard to pick a party that means something anymore.
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it."
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people."
What a drama queen response over one egg. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.. How can Tory policies make any difference to the disabled ?. Do you actually know any disabled people . I provide extensive help to someone who is mentally disabled and I cannot see how the policies make any difference .
I know a lot of people who are disabled, but it's not just the disabled, it's people on low income, the NHS, ATOS, young people, the unemployed, the whole Tory ideal is making peoples lives miserable and unbearable. Look into it.. I thought that the whole Tory policy was based on awarding success and using the fruits of a successfull economy to assist the less well off .
They have conned you."
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
I feel sorry for a lot of things including the disabled. Egging a lone Tory supporter not even a member of the cabinet is just silly and will accomplish nothing.
Marching with pride and dignity over austerity sends a powerful message.
Doing that just diverts attention from the message. "
Well said! Like it or not they were elected into power by the democratic process. I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram because I support labour and they failed to gain the confidence of the people.
I sure as Hell don't agree with austerity measures as the poorest in our society are the first to suffer. It's hard to be all in it together when some tories spend the same amount on a bottle of champagne as some families spend on their weekly shopping bills. Nor do I begrudge a man his wealth, but this does not make him any better a human being than the next person.
Regardless of your background an egg aimed at a tory, liberal, or labour supporter does nothing more than strike a fellow human. |
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people.
What a drama queen response over one egg. "
. No decent responsible person would resort to throwing an egg at someone .. |
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"Why should those who earn more pay more tax to help those who cannot help themselves . ?I am happy to provide limited help to some but see no reason why I should assist those who expect the state to subsidise them.
what a nasty, selfish attitude to those in society less fortunate than your good self..
fuck you jack eh..
. It might be because I believe in responsibility . As it happens I provide extensive help to someone who is disabled so I don't have any hesitation in making my comments . We cannot help everyone in society and many people need to learn to help themselves .
There are people on mobility schemes driving around in better cars than me all at the expense of the tax payer.
Why should we pay for cans of cider for the unemployed ?
there will always be those who kick the arse out of any system be they 'cider drinking unemployed', libor fiddling city types or tax evading party donor's..
so someone with a level of disability in a new mobility car that allows them the dignity and freedom to live their life is an issue you think needs addressing..?
what if they lost their legs fighting for this country or were injured policing the streets or rescuing someone's child from a house fire...?
or don't they come within your parameters of who is worthy..
so we let some in society who are unable to help themselves do what..?
rot..?
responsibility is not only about looking after just you.."
. The current Tory policies are aimed at creating a stable economy in which everyone is looked after .
I base my judgement of the economy on what best for society as a whole whilst recognising that funds are not unlimited .
In at least two of the cases referred to above the employees are represented by very powerful trade unions and have exceptionally generous pension schemes . I believe that injuries in service are also covered . |
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Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people.
What a drama queen response over one egg. . No decent responsible person would resort to throwing an egg at someone .."
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"Be interesting if they do dare cut stuff going to oaps. ATM they get fuel payments and tv license even if they very rich, torys have been very reluctant to hit there voter base"
They get other payments too, if they qualify.
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people.
What a drama queen response over one egg. . No decent responsible person would resort to throwing an egg at someone ..
Exactly - 1 person! "
Do you think it would have only been one person if there was not such a strong police presance?
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people.
What a drama queen response over one egg. . No decent responsible person would resort to throwing an egg at someone ..
Exactly - 1 person!
Do you think it would have only been one person if there was not such a strong police presance?
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Maybe it was an officer who supplied the egg.
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"Why would they egg a young supporter in a suit walking to the venue it's hardly David Cameron?
Feel a bit sorry for him after watching the video.
People are angry at the Tory ideology, not just Cameron, if they are a Tory, then they must support what they do. Hope people feel sorry for the disabled people who's lives they are ruining.
Maybe some people believe that more lives are ruined by abandoning people to a life on state benefits, whether for health reasons or other.
But by all means egg those who don't agree with you, threaten violence against, call them stupid, uncaring scum but don't be surprised when they don't vote for you, your beliefs and your cause when it comes to the next election.
How you can possibly claim to be more caring and to have the moral high ground and then condone actions like that is just staggeringly hypocritical in the eyes of most ordinary people.
What a drama queen response over one egg. "
So, rather than answering the point you choose to use homophobic remarks to try insult the person making. Says a lot more about you than it does about me.  |
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~ George Orwell"
. I think we hear people complaining every day unto we are sick of listening to them. |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell. I think we hear people complaining every day unto we are sick of listening to them. "
Are you forced to listen? |
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It seems to me to be absolutely and abundantly clear that Labour and it's supporters are no longer interested in trying to win the next election anymore. They seem to think that insulting their opponents and threatening them with various levels of violence is the way to get what they want.
We seem to have gone right back to the Labour party of the 70's which condoned the beating up of Doctors and Nurses for treating patients that the Union officials on picket lines had deemed not ill enough to justify treatment during industrial disputes.
When is labour going to start putting forward a proper opposition to this government? One that normal, decent people can get behind and support, rather than this shambolic attempt at an opposition that seems to think that people are voting Tory because they're too stupid or selfish to know better and, as such, it's OK to use threats of violence against them.
When, if ever, are they going to actually make the argument for their case and try to persuade the electorate to vote for them. |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell"
But I don't think even Orwell included in that the right to pelt people with eggs just because they don't agree with you. |
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"It seems to me to be absolutely and abundantly clear that Labour and it's supporters are no longer interested in trying to win the next election anymore. They seem to think that insulting their opponents and threatening them with various levels of violence is the way to get what they want.
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When did Labour threaten anyone with violence? |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
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But I don't think even Orwell included in that the right to pelt people with eggs just because they don't agree with you."
Words, dear boy, not punches or eggs |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell
But I don't think even Orwell included in that the right to pelt people with eggs just because they don't agree with you."
It is one of the cornerstones of democracy - free speech |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon. "
Yep - I'm afraid we're stuck with this neo-liberal economic consensus for the foreseeable.
That's why I had such high hopes in 2008.
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"It seems to me to be absolutely and abundantly clear that Labour and it's supporters are no longer interested in trying to win the next election anymore. They seem to think that insulting their opponents and threatening them with various levels of violence is the way to get what they want.
When did Labour threaten anyone with violence? "
Read back through this thread. The general consensus of opinion from those clearly more on the left is that it's OK to throw eggs at those people because they are Tory scum.
As for the violence against Doctors and nurses committed by so called trade union activists in the 70's you can look that up yourself via Google. I don't have to look it up because I personally knew people who were the targets and victims of those attacks at the time.
If labour and it's supporters want to be taken seriously by normal, decent people; the sort they are going to have to have vote for them at the next election, then there's only one possible response to any violence against opponents and that is to condemn it absolutely and outright and not to try and excuse it on the grounds that the victim somehow deserved it or to dismiss it as irrelevant and unimportant. |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon.
Yep - I'm afraid we're stuck with this neo-liberal economic consensus for the foreseeable.
That's why I had such high hopes in 2008.
Ho hum"
Exactly, so lets have some fun with it and start slinging as much mud back. |
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"It seems to me to be absolutely and abundantly clear that Labour and it's supporters are no longer interested in trying to win the next election anymore. They seem to think that insulting their opponents and threatening them with various levels of violence is the way to get what they want.
When did Labour threaten anyone with violence?
Read back through this thread. The general consensus of opinion from those clearly more on the left is that it's OK to throw eggs at those people because they are Tory scum.
As for the violence against Doctors and nurses committed by so called trade union activists in the 70's you can look that up yourself via Google. I don't have to look it up because I personally knew people who were the targets and victims of those attacks at the time.
If labour and it's supporters want to be taken seriously by normal, decent people; the sort they are going to have to have vote for them at the next election, then there's only one possible response to any violence against opponents and that is to condemn it absolutely and outright and not to try and excuse it on the grounds that the victim somehow deserved it or to dismiss it as irrelevant and unimportant."
Well I guess if people don't like what happened yesterday then they won't be voting for the TUC. |
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"It seems to me to be absolutely and abundantly clear that Labour and it's supporters are no longer interested in trying to win the next election anymore. They seem to think that insulting their opponents and threatening them with various levels of violence is the way to get what they want.
When did Labour threaten anyone with violence?
Read back through this thread. The general consensus of opinion from those clearly more on the left is that it's OK to throw eggs at those people because they are Tory scum.
As for the violence against Doctors and nurses committed by so called trade union activists in the 70's you can look that up yourself via Google. I don't have to look it up because I personally knew people who were the targets and victims of those attacks at the time.
If labour and it's supporters want to be taken seriously by normal, decent people; the sort they are going to have to have vote for them at the next election, then there's only one possible response to any violence against opponents and that is to condemn it absolutely and outright and not to try and excuse it on the grounds that the victim somehow deserved it or to dismiss it as irrelevant and unimportant."
I must agree with this |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon. "
You can hope but if you want their votes, which Labour will need to win, I think you'll have to look at change in your strategy. |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell
But I don't think even Orwell included in that the right to pelt people with eggs just because they don't agree with you.
It is one of the cornerstones of democracy - free speech "
You should probably go see a doctor if when you speak eggs fly out of your mouth. |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon.
You can hope but if you want their votes, which Labour will need to win, I think you'll have to look at change in your strategy."
I'm not a Labour voter and I don't want anyone's vote. |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon.
You can hope but if you want their votes, which Labour will need to win, I think you'll have to look at change in your strategy."
But, with all due respect, your own _iews are just as utopian |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall."
. And destroy peoples jobs and the economic recovery . Planting bombs is hardly an issue to joke about especially if you have ever been in the aftermath of one and seen the injuries sustained .
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall."
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan "
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes. |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.. And destroy peoples jobs and the economic recovery . Planting bombs is hardly an issue to joke about especially if you have ever been in the aftermath of one and seen the injuries sustained . "
We wouldn't miss a few Tories. |
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"I usually back up what I say with facts - but now I'm just gonna start overreacting like those on the right.
Lets hope this Tory-enforced socio-economic genocidal regime comes to an end soon.
You can hope but if you want their votes, which Labour will need to win, I think you'll have to look at change in your strategy.
But, with all due respect, your own _iews are just as utopian"
Well being more liberal (not LibDem) than conservative you're probably right on that one.   |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.. And destroy peoples jobs and the economic recovery . Planting bombs is hardly an issue to joke about especially if you have ever been in the aftermath of one and seen the injuries sustained .
We wouldn't miss a few Tories."
No more than we miss 41 Labour Scots.  |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes. "
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Not sure I get your point on this one."
That doesn't surprise. |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes. "
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
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We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegations... and we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner. |
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By *iewMan
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Paedophiles vote Conservative, Labour & SNP, they wear white collar and blue, they pray to God, Allah or not, they are rich and poor, they are...
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegations... and we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner. "
Major shagged Edwina enough said. |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegations... and we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner. "
There are many smears in politics concerning paedophilia and prominent politicians from both sides. I'm not going to repeat them here because I believe that's just what they are, groundless smears. |
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"I've heard that the delegates have been told not to wear their Party ID when out and about. "
That's standard advice from the police to all delegates at all party conferences. I received the same advice back in the 90's when I regularly attended party conferences. |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegations... and we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner.
There are many smears in politics concerning paedophilia and prominent politicians from both sides. I'm not going to repeat them here because I believe that's just what they are, groundless smears."
In Thacter's case it's fact, not a smear.
She knew and did nothing.
I can post links from Sky News, Daily Mail, Express, Mirror etc etc. |
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"I've heard that the delegates have been told not to wear their Party ID when out and about. "
Just saw Boris Johnson on the news saying he didn't get hit with any projectiles and the protestors need to improve their aim. |
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A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegationsand we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner. "
. It is generally acknowledged that the complainant who made the allegations against Edward Heath lives in a fantasy world and that there is no substance to them. Another complainant about anotherTory Cabinet minister was made by a prominent Labour Party supporter ..Again the allegations turned out to be false .. |
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"Maybe the US Air Force could 'accidentally' bomb the conference hall.
A bit like Brighton, where a bomb failed to kill Maggie and she came out of it fighting and even more powerful? Good luck with that plan
A lot of paedo-enablers have had lucky escapes.
Wasn't most of the yewtree stuff done under the Labour Government back in the day.
Both parties are as dirty as each other.
We only know of one PM who knew and did nothing, even the Daily Mail had to admit to that.
Imagine, we've had an illegal-war-mongerer, we now have a sociopath, but the one that beats them all is the paedo-enabler.
Actually we're still waiting to see what comes of Ted Heath's allegations... and we don't know what Major knew...
Hmmmm, there's a vote winner.
There are many smears in politics concerning paedophilia and prominent politicians from both sides. I'm not going to repeat them here because I believe that's just what they are, groundless smears.
In Thacter's case it's fact, not a smear.
She knew and did nothing.
I can post links from Sky News, Daily Mail, Express, Mirror etc etc."
No need I can provide the link myself.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11381191/Margaret-Thatcher-warned-of-paedophile-scandal-secret-documents-reveal.html
Those who are interested can judge for themselves. I judge it as a smear |
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why it matters on a Conservative thread is silly."
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell. I think we hear people complaining every day unto we are sick of listening to them. "
or you think they are not worth being listened to..
they don't meet your own particular criteria of who is worthwhile in society..
or is it back to 'no such thing as society' again now..? |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell. I think we hear people complaining every day unto we are sick of listening to them.
or you think they are not worth being listened to..
they don't meet your own particular criteria of who is worthwhile in society..
or is it back to 'no such thing as society' again now..?"
Personally I try to listen to every point of _iew and actually prefer hearing points of _iew that differ from my own. However it's difficult to keep listening to people if all there saying is Tory Scum out, especially if they are also armed with a tray of deadly eggs ready for use if you don't totally agree with their outlook. |
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Those who are interested can judge for themselves. I judge it as a smear
I judge the election result as rigged. It must be, it was a fix.
I can deny the truth too. "
Well it was rigged, by about 40 to 60 seats in favour of Labour. They still managed to loose. Almost unbelievable!! |
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I like it when Boris appears on Camera, makes me laugh when he speaks! an orangutan in a blonde wig
Tory party conference "bullshit"
They have some nice ideas but there are always conditions attached |
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""If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
~ George Orwell. I think we hear people complaining every day unto we are sick of listening to them.
or you think they are not worth being listened to..
they don't meet your own particular criteria of who is worthwhile in society..
or is it back to 'no such thing as society' again now..?"
. I listen to everyones point of _iew . Life would be dull and boring if we all had the same ideas . You would probably fail to achieve much in life if you were not prepared to listen to others .
However whilst I am happen to listen to anyones opinion , I am not compelledto agree with them.. |
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