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listening to the lawyers re the latest admission by VW in the UK etc talking about legal action for this, that and the other would it make a huge difference to your intention to purchase one if you intended to..?
will there be much of a devaluation given the current yet to be resolved issue..? |
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over a year ago
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Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers |
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"listening to the lawyers re the latest admission by VW in the UK etc talking about legal action for this, that and the other would it make a huge difference to your intention to purchase one if you intended to..?
will there be much of a devaluation given the current yet to be resolved issue..?"
It wouldn't make the slightest difference to my choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Was talking about this exact thing yesterday,
if it was ridiculously cheap and runs at a slower rate (don't drive fast anyhow) then yeah,
Granted may have issues long term running at lower rate so it would have be throw away cheap,
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over a year ago
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What they have done is wrong , however when you consider a few years ago Toyota and lexus had to issue safety recalls for lots of thier models it makes you wonder how many other manufacturers may be hiding things. |
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If they 'fix' the software to bring emmissions down to what they claimed they were, it could have a big effect on performance for things like the Golf GTDi.
Also could have an effect on vehicle excise duty after the new test results come out. |
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"Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers"
Owned VW's for many years now. Found them very cost effective to run, and with hundreds of thousands of miles under the belt, on the whole, very reliable. |
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"Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers
Owned VW's for many years now. Found them very cost effective to run, and with hundreds of thousands of miles under the belt, on the whole, very reliable."
I had a Renault Clio would have cost at least £7k less than a vw. Never had a issue with it. Plus I don't recall an advert from Renault claiming if you close your eyes it sounds just like a clio. |
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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago
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Not got a VW, but do have a skoda with the same diesel engine that's at the centre of this scandal. Been told by main agent that there will be no devaluation of its value, but there may be a slight increase in its consumption and therefore running costs will go up. And in extreme cases the increased consumption may push it into a higher tax band depending on the software upgrade it gets, am happy with it the way it is, I don't want an upgrade that's going to be a downgrade. |
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not defending what they've done but historically manufacturers have when they think they will get away with whatever, usually to make more profit..
the ford pinto in the 70's was a scandal and cost lives..
i would probably buy one from the group again.. |
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"Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers
Owned VW's for many years now. Found them very cost effective to run, and with hundreds of thousands of miles under the belt, on the whole, very reliable.
I had a Renault Clio would have cost at least £7k less than a vw. Never had a issue with it. Plus I don't recall an advert from Renault claiming if you close your eyes it sounds just like a clio. "
I have never bought a new car. Most have had over 100k on the clock when I bought them. Spares are no more expensive than the next car if sourced carefully. I now drive an old Passat, that has to be run on oil suitable for the type of engine it has. I had people say its very expensive oil. I bought some for £27 to do a once in 20000 mile oil change. I don't think that's expensive. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers"
So very 1980's
For every buyer they lose there will be many more hoping to buy a VW on the cheap.
Anyone unhappy about the performance after it has been modified can always get the engine management system remapped which will make it better than it was in the first place.
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Car companies like most multinational companies have a long long history of.. Err lieing through their back teeth!
Count yourself lucky you hadn't bought a ford pinto in the 70s
Or a 4x4 in the 80s
Or a Mercedes A class in the 90s
Or a Toyota Prius in the... Where the fucks me brakes gone  |
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"listening to the lawyers re the latest admission by VW in the UK etc talking about legal action for this, that and the other would it make a huge difference to your intention to purchase one if you intended to..?
will there be much of a devaluation given the current yet to be resolved issue..?"
I'm surprised they're still currently allowed to sell them, given that they don't appear to meet current minimum standards.
The devaluation issue will depend on what action is taken by governments. Last I heard 6 uk cities were putting forward ideas for improving air quality - if this were to include bringing your vw into your home-city, I can imagine it having a detrimental effect.
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"Car companies like most multinational companies have a long long history of.. Err lieing through their back teeth!
Count yourself lucky you hadn't bought a ford pinto in the 70s
Or a 4x4 in the 80s
Or a Mercedes A class in the 90s
Or a Toyota Prius in the... Where the fucks me brakes gone "
You're forgetting the Lancia Beta. The f*@*#*g engines fell out !! |
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"Car companies like most multinational companies have a long long history of.. Err lieing through their back teeth!
Count yourself lucky you hadn't bought a ford pinto in the 70s
Or a 4x4 in the 80s
Or a Mercedes A class in the 90s
Or a Toyota Prius in the... Where the fucks me brakes gone
You're forgetting the Lancia Beta. The f*@*#*g engines fell out !!"
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Vw have shown their real honesty on emissions... intensionally bypassing them for more profit, it's nothing new the pinto would killed 180 by Ford's own research but cost only 10 bucks to fix... I mean 10 whole dollars profit  ...
Oh yes those multinationals like car companies that get bailed out or banks that get bailed out.. Or pharmaceutical companies that refuse to even research new antibiotics unless we stump up 3 billon before hand..
But where would we be without them |
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"I've got a Golf TDI and will no doubt buy another. Great engine, Very torquey and achieves great mpg. That's what interests me.
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Yes, but what happens if, in order to meet the emissions limits, you lose both the torque and mpg?
(Which, as I understand it, is the choice) |
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"I've got a Golf TDI and will no doubt buy another. Great engine, Very torquey and achieves great mpg. That's what interests me.
Yes, but what happens if, in order to meet the emissions limits, you lose both the torque and mpg?
(Which, as I understand it, is the choice)"
There are ways of getting around such things. |
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Had a vw once thankfully it was free, would never touch another, theyre the most common car ive seen broken down in the past 10/15 years.
If only everything was as reliable as a volkswagen i wouldnt worry to much about emisions there normally on a flat bed or towing dolly |
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When I came to buying my current car it was between a civic and a golf, did plenty of research into both cars.
The civic came out on top on everything, except MPG.
And I've got friends and family who have owned cars under the VAG from entry level golfs to Porsche 911. Every single one has had problems.
Audi - DPF, gearbox
Seat - blown turbo
Golfs - the infamous check engine lights
911 - gearbox needing a full rebuild probably at the cost of around £6000
Glad I stayed clear to be honest 
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As the cars I would buy from this manufacturer are way before this crisis.. Yup.... As I want a g60 corrado and a golf gti mk1 or 2 and a sportline clipper.
To be honest even on the latest cars it wouldn't bother me. But then I have had to shall we say be a little inventive with emissions tests on a few of my cars in the past. You try getting some modified old cars through or even my 156... It just didn't like the test. |
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"Had a vw once thankfully it was free, would never touch another, theyre the most common car ive seen broken down in the past 10/15 years.
If only everything was as reliable as a volkswagen i wouldnt worry to much about emisions there normally on a flat bed or towing dolly "
My experience of VWs is totally opposite.
Door handles and electric windows give up, but engines and gearboxes go on forever. |
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no i wont buy a vw/audi car at all. they are toooo expensive, and you just pay over the odds for it. i bought a new (in 2009) skoda fabia petrol car and have had no problems with it at all. also, according to bbc news website, petrol skoda's are not affected.  |
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"listening to the lawyers re the latest admission by VW in the UK etc talking about legal action for this, that and the other would it make a huge difference to your intention to purchase one if you intended to..?
will there be much of a devaluation given the current yet to be resolved issue..?"
no where's your sense of patriotism buy a jag their British oh shit no they aren't the Germans make them now as well oh a mini then they are a British institution damn German as well  |
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"I think I read that Bosch made the cheat software for vw!
So seen as Bosch make nearly all the parts for other manufactures as well!!!"
Wrong...
Bosch make the ECU's. The engineers/programmers at VW (or any manufacturer) write the code/software for the car. |
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I love my VW. I believe it is not affected by this scandal. 1.4 58 plate diesel. Have been keeping an eye on this and waiting to see what models are affected but no mention. Keeping fingers crossed but it has not out me off buying another VW |
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"listening to the lawyers re the latest admission by VW in the UK etc talking about legal action for this, that and the other would it make a huge difference to your intention to purchase one if you intended to..?
will there be much of a devaluation given the current yet to be resolved issue..?no where's your sense of patriotism buy a jag their British oh shit no they aren't the Germans make them now as well oh a mini then they are a British institution damn German as well "
I get the point you are trying to make but the Germans have sod all to do with Jaguar |
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"I think I read that Bosch made the cheat software for vw!
So seen as Bosch make nearly all the parts for other manufactures as well!!!
Wrong...
Bosch make the ECU's. The engineers/programmers at VW (or any manufacturer) write the code/software for the car."
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I'm not sure that's true I'm afraid!
I read it in a German newspaper who interviewed a Bosch employee that Bosch specifically wrote to vw in 2007 to say that the "cheat software" that they had wrote for vw was only to be used for testing purposes at vw!.
It seems Bosch were suspecting vw of using it for other means as Bosch stated in the memo to vw.... Any use outside of the vw factory would be highly illegal!.
So again if Bosch who supply most of the other manufacturers are creating this cheat software for the manufacturers, then the question is how many others did they do it for |
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"I think I read that Bosch made the cheat software for vw!
So seen as Bosch make nearly all the parts for other manufactures as well!!!
Wrong...
Bosch make the ECU's. The engineers/programmers at VW (or any manufacturer) write the code/software for the car..
I'm not sure that's true I'm afraid!
I read it in a German newspaper who interviewed a Bosch employee that Bosch specifically wrote to vw in 2007 to say that the "cheat software" that they had wrote for vw was only to be used for testing purposes at vw!.
It seems Bosch were suspecting vw of using it for other means as Bosch stated in the memo to vw.... Any use outside of the vw factory would be highly illegal!.
So again if Bosch who supply most of the other manufacturers are creating this cheat software for the manufacturers, then the question is how many others did they do it for"
Bosch really don't write the software. They'd have to have every vehicle they make ECU's for and run them on a dynomometer to write code for each model/spec of vehicle.
What may have happened is an ECU or two could ha e been returned to Bosch without being virginalised (wiped of any code) and they spotted it that way. |
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"I think I read that Bosch made the cheat software for vw!
So seen as Bosch make nearly all the parts for other manufactures as well!!!
Wrong...
Bosch make the ECU's. The engineers/programmers at VW (or any manufacturer) write the code/software for the car..
I'm not sure that's true I'm afraid!
I read it in a German newspaper who interviewed a Bosch employee that Bosch specifically wrote to vw in 2007 to say that the "cheat software" that they had wrote for vw was only to be used for testing purposes at vw!.
It seems Bosch were suspecting vw of using it for other means as Bosch stated in the memo to vw.... Any use outside of the vw factory would be highly illegal!.
So again if Bosch who supply most of the other manufacturers are creating this cheat software for the manufacturers, then the question is how many others did they do it for
Bosch really don't write the software. They'd have to have every vehicle they make ECU's for and run them on a dynomometer to write code for each model/spec of vehicle.
What may have happened is an ECU or two could ha e been returned to Bosch without being virginalised (wiped of any code) and they spotted it that way."
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No according to the telegraph yesterday, there confirming bild stags story?.
The cheat software was written by Bosch, which fits with the fact that it showed up in Audi, skoda and other vag companies.
They also confirmed that Bosch had wrote to vw in 2007 with their "get out of jail card" memo.
NOT TO BE USED OUTSIDE OF VW FACTORIES.
I'd have a small wager this very same software turns up outside of vag group yet? |
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"Wouldn't want to buy one without the scandal, I think they are overpriced, over hyped cars made by an arrogant company who think they are above all others! Especially the golf gti the no 1 choice for boy racers
So very 1980's
For every buyer they lose there will be many more hoping to buy a VW on the cheap.
Anyone unhappy about the performance after it has been modified can always get the engine management system remapped which will make it better than it was in the first place.
C..."
but if you remap the engine for more power you will then have the same problem power and emissions go hand in hand you can't have more speed without the engine having to work harder |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.  "
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions. |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions."
Can you tell me what that is in girl speak please? 
(And how much it's likely to cost me?) |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions.
Can you tell me what that is in girl speak please?
(And how much it's likely to cost me?) "
Have the engine computer reprogrammed to produce more power and have the exhaust gas recirculation valve disabled. They're fine when the engine is brand new but the soot contained in the recirculated gases clog the inlet manifold in a very short time. This affects airflow into the engine, reduces power and decreases fuel economy. It also causes premature turbo failure and can cause the swirl flaps to break off and drop into a cylinder, causing catastrophic engine failure. |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions.
Can you tell me what that is in girl speak please?
(And how much it's likely to cost me?)
Have the engine computer reprogrammed to produce more power and have the exhaust gas recirculation valve disabled. They're fine when the engine is brand new but the soot contained in the recirculated gases clog the inlet manifold in a very short time. This affects airflow into the engine, reduces power and decreases fuel economy. It also causes premature turbo failure and can cause the swirl flaps to break off and drop into a cylinder, causing catastrophic engine failure."
Expect around £150 for an EGR delete and around £250 for a stage 1 remap with EGR delete. |
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Ive got a VW golf mk4 1.6 no need to worry about turbo as its only a 1.6 but its been bullet proof so far, i dont drive it now though gone full hairdresser and got 3.2 V6 Audi TT but hey i love it shame my bank account dosent. |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions.
Can you tell me what that is in girl speak please?
(And how much it's likely to cost me?)
Have the engine computer reprogrammed to produce more power and have the exhaust gas recirculation valve disabled. They're fine when the engine is brand new but the soot contained in the recirculated gases clog the inlet manifold in a very short time. This affects airflow into the engine, reduces power and decreases fuel economy. It also causes premature turbo failure and can cause the swirl flaps to break off and drop into a cylinder, causing catastrophic engine failure.
Expect around £150 for an EGR delete and around £250 for a stage 1 remap with EGR delete."
Can I not just make them do it? 
What will the difference be when they do what they need to do? |
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Have you ever done a search for VW?
I got a letter tonight... Barney is affected.
Have the work done then get a stage one remap (with EGR delete). You'll have more power, better economy and even better emissions.
Can you tell me what that is in girl speak please?
(And how much it's likely to cost me?)
Have the engine computer reprogrammed to produce more power and have the exhaust gas recirculation valve disabled. They're fine when the engine is brand new but the soot contained in the recirculated gases clog the inlet manifold in a very short time. This affects airflow into the engine, reduces power and decreases fuel economy. It also causes premature turbo failure and can cause the swirl flaps to break off and drop into a cylinder, causing catastrophic engine failure.
Expect around £150 for an EGR delete and around £250 for a stage 1 remap with EGR delete.
Can I not just make them do it?
What will the difference be when they do what they need to do? "
They won't disable the EGR, it's falsely considered an environmental system part.
I'd expect the car will constantly be in 'cheat mode' (the mode that allowed it to pass the tests), meaning it will possibly have less power than before. That's simply a guess though as VW haven't released details of the fix yet. |
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Remap all the cars!!
If you do decide to have the EGR delete and a remap, please use a garage that will use a dyno.
See far too many people advertising "custom remaps" for £150 and all they do is load a generic map onto the ecu....don't be fooled by the whole "we can do it on your driveway" bollocks |
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