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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So 11 million Volkswagen's and now Audi are owning up to fraud as 2.1 million of their cars were fitted with the emissions cheat software.
I wonder how many Skod's, Seat's and Lamborghini's are affected...
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Seriously though ... It's got to be group wide... I heard on a report one of their (vag group)own engineers sounded alarm bells internally over 4 years ago.. saying it was illegal..
Wonder if any of the engineers went to work for a.n.other manufacturer and said "I've an idea..".  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just for the pendants....
I know Lamborghini aren't affected because they don't produce a diesel powered car..
that's 'pedants'  "
My fucking phone is a twat at times.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.  "
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Isn't it 11 million cars group wide? So that is including all the companies they own, not 11 vws and then 2 million Audi"
Nope.
11 million Volkswagen and now 2.1 million Audi's. Skoda and Seat haven't said anything yet but I'd expect an announcement. |
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before...."
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out? "
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall. |
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Well I have to say that our company Skoda is a really really good car.
It's hugely spacious, goes very quickly indeed and on a good day I've had 70 mpg on a trip.
I was a bit worried that they might re-chip it during a recall and it would lose all the performance - but it seems so far that it's not the same engine that has the offending software.
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall."
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Errrrr
Pedants maybe?
Not sure dangly people care.
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Two people in quick succession corrected a minor mistake
here's hoping the forums keeps with the forget it and move on mindset, would much prefer that than threads containing posts correcting over post for minor spelling infringements, that would make the whole thing pethetic.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Cars 04 year old french
Campers cab is 2010 fiat,
There must be compensation\refund for those whose tax could go through the roof,
We do have two new touaregs in the business, bet there going to suffer in this |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!! "
It'll just be a 10-minute flash remap of the ECU (with greatly reduced performance). |
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!!
It'll just be a 10-minute flash remap of the ECU (with greatly reduced performance)."
Noooo! I'm going to pretend I know nothing about it!  He's fast and beautiful and I don't like change!! |
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"So 11 million Volkswagen's and now Audi are owning up to fraud as 2.1 million of their cars were fitted with the emissions cheat software.
I wonder how many Skod's, Seat's and Lamborghini's are affected...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34377443"
It's been on sky news Porsche is also affected. Although I think all those footballers and Danny Dyer in his diesel Cayenne can afford the extra road tax. |
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"Errrrr
Pedants maybe?
Not sure dangly people care.
Two people in quick succession corrected a minor mistake
here's hoping the forums keeps with the forget it and move on mindset, would much prefer that than threads containing posts correcting over post for minor spelling infringements, that would make the whole thing pethetic.
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'pathetic'
Posted just to annoy you
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!!
It'll just be a 10-minute flash remap of the ECU (with greatly reduced performance)."
So the engine will be cut back to meet the test permanently
Could that cause the engine to maul and cause damages to Crank etc long term, Be like driving with a brick under the accelerator I assume |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrr
Pedants maybe?
Not sure dangly people care.
Two people in quick succession corrected a minor mistake
here's hoping the forums keeps with the forget it and move on mindset, would much prefer that than threads containing posts correcting over post for minor spelling infringements, that would make the whole thing pethetic.
'pathetic'
Posted just to annoy you
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Haha, I laughed, out loud, I'am at work, your off the Xmas card list
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!!
It'll just be a 10-minute flash remap of the ECU (with greatly reduced performance).
So the engine will be cut back to meet the test permanently
Could that cause the engine to maul and cause damages to Crank etc long term, Be like driving with a brick under the accelerator I assume"
It'll most likely be an alteration to the fuel/air mix, timing and turbo boost pressures. I'd be expecting more problems with things like the EGR valve, swirl flaps and DPF as a result. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!! "
Barney!! Lol, ours is Bertie and we too are a bit miffed at the inevitable tax increase. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out?
They'll know exactly which vehicles are affected and will issue a recall.
They're not having Barney back!!!
No way!!
Barney!! Lol, ours is Bertie and we too are a bit miffed at the inevitable tax increase. "
Imagine how pissed off those of us who drive diesels that comply with the regulations are feeling then.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why are you pissed off? 
If you buy a car in good faith and the spec matches the performance, why would you be miffed? (Genuine question... what am I missing?) "
Because there's going to be tax increases across the board for all diesel users in light of this scandal. At least VAG drivers might get compensated.
I may start a campaign which ends in VW paying everyone's road tax if it increases because of their underhand tactics.... |
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"Why are you pissed off?
If you buy a car in good faith and the spec matches the performance, why would you be miffed? (Genuine question... what am I missing?)
Because there's going to be tax increases across the board for all diesel users in light of this scandal. At least VAG drivers might get compensated.
I may start a campaign which ends in VW paying everyone's road tax if it increases because of their underhand tactics...."
Aha... gotcha.
Well I bought my car cause he's cool. The only spec I wanted was a 2.0l engine and heated seats. Both of which I've got. I had no idea that the swanky wheels would have tyres that are 300 quid a pop until I got a puncture!  . I guess I'll take what's going as the price I pay for having my dream car but I'm pretty sure I'm not telling VW that when they tell me I've gotta pay the higher road tax band. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"the software used is not unique to VW group - it is Bosch software and so is used by many other makes...
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Wrong...
The ECU's are manufactured by Bosch. The software code is written my VW engineers/programmers. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why are you pissed off?
If you buy a car in good faith and the spec matches the performance, why would you be miffed? (Genuine question... what am I missing?)
Because there's going to be tax increases across the board for all diesel users in light of this scandal. At least VAG drivers might get compensated.
I may start a campaign which ends in VW paying everyone's road tax if it increases because of their underhand tactics....
Aha... gotcha.
Well I bought my car cause he's cool. The only spec I wanted was a 2.0l engine and heated seats. Both of which I've got. I had no idea that the swanky wheels would have tyres that are 300 quid a pop until I got a puncture! . I guess I'll take what's going as the price I pay for having my dream car but I'm pretty sure I'm not telling VW that when they tell me I've gotta pay the higher road tax band. "
You're not still on run-flats are you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why are you pissed off?
If you buy a car in good faith and the spec matches the performance, why would you be miffed? (Genuine question... what am I missing?) "
I'm guessing that diesels in general will suffer now - people will move away from diesel to petrol and resale values will hit the floor. And they may review the taxation of diesel cars as a result, possibly adding a levy to them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why are you pissed off?
If you buy a car in good faith and the spec matches the performance, why would you be miffed? (Genuine question... what am I missing?)
Because there's going to be tax increases across the board for all diesel users in light of this scandal. At least VAG drivers might get compensated.
I may start a campaign which ends in VW paying everyone's road tax if it increases because of their underhand tactics....
Aha... gotcha.
Well I bought my car cause he's cool. The only spec I wanted was a 2.0l engine and heated seats. Both of which I've got. I had no idea that the swanky wheels would have tyres that are 300 quid a pop until I got a puncture! . I guess I'll take what's going as the price I pay for having my dream car but I'm pretty sure I'm not telling VW that when they tell me I've gotta pay the higher road tax band. "
You probably won't end up paying any more tax anyway. The remapping of the ECU will result in the car being permanently in 'test' mode, therefore it will meet the regulations requirements (and the published figures).
You will notice significantly reduced performance though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Isn't it 11 million cars group wide? So that is including all the companies they own, not 11 vws and then 2 million Audi
Nope.
11 million Volkswagen and now 2.1 million Audi's. Skoda and Seat haven't said anything yet but I'd expect an announcement."
The whole group VW has produces 11mio cars..this includes
Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, and overseas-brands SEAT and Skoda
Brussels were informed about the issue in an internal memorandum from Berlin 4 1/2 years ago, when there were attempts to change the laws in regard of emissions linked to Diesel engines.
It stayed an attempt due to the intervention of "Mutter Merkel" & friends as she pointed out that it would "ruin" a main stand of the German industry.
The Frankfurt Allgemeine newspaper ran all this at that time and no one bothered at all |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!! 
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?  "
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road. |
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
"My new A3 is ready on Wednesday if it starts chucking out black smoke like the flying Scotsman I'm not taking it !"
I'm not a solicitor but Wouldn't the fact its notable to produce the performance figures be under the a trade descriptions and not fit for purpose reason to return for a full refund .?.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrr
Pedants maybe?
Not sure dangly people care.
Two people in quick succession corrected a minor mistake
here's hoping the forums keeps with the forget it and move on mindset, would much prefer that than threads containing posts correcting over post for minor spelling infringements, that would make the whole thing pethetic.
'pathetic'
Posted just to annoy you
Haha, I laughed, out loud, I'am at work, your off the Xmas card list
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That would be "you're off the Xmas card list"  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My new A3 is ready on Wednesday if it starts chucking out black smoke like the flying Scotsman I'm not taking it !
I'm not a solicitor but Wouldn't the fact its notable to produce the performance figures be under the a trade descriptions and not fit for purpose reason to return for a full refund .?.. "
Vehicle not as advertised would be more appropriate but I'd agree. If it's one of the affected vehicles I'd have thought it would be grounds to reject the car. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore."
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do. |
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore.
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do."
Tractors are still built in the original factory but the tractor side of Lamborghini was sold in 1979. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore.
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do.
Tractors are still built in the original factory but the tractor side of Lamborghini was sold in 1979."
But they are still sold under the Lamborghini name with the familiar raging bull logo. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore.
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do.
Tractors are still built in the original factory but the tractor side of Lamborghini was sold in 1979.
But they are still sold under the Lamborghini name with the familiar raging bull logo. "
They're not made by Lamborghini though, they're built by Same Company. Therefore Lamborghini no longer make tractors..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore.
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do.
Tractors are still built in the original factory but the tractor side of Lamborghini was sold in 1979.
But they are still sold under the Lamborghini name with the familiar raging bull logo. "
So do we need to re-evaluate the Lamborghini thread, it could be a tractor he pulls up in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrr
Pedants maybe?
Not sure dangly people care.
Two people in quick succession corrected a minor mistake
here's hoping the forums keeps with the forget it and move on mindset, would much prefer that than threads containing posts correcting over post for minor spelling infringements, that would make the whole thing pethetic.
'pathetic'
Posted just to annoy you
Haha, I laughed, out loud, I'am at work, your off the Xmas card list
That would be "you're off the Xmas card list" "
well you both missed over which should be other, so Pfft, lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do they do a diesel Lamborghini..
Maybe wrong but lamborghini started out building tractors and still do so .
They did, they don't anymore.
Sorry, I think you'll find they still do.
Tractors are still built in the original factory but the tractor side of Lamborghini was sold in 1979.
But they are still sold under the Lamborghini name with the familiar raging bull logo.
They're not made by Lamborghini though, they're built by Same Company. Therefore Lamborghini no longer make tractors....."
Guess they don't make cars any longer either since the company was sold off to Volkswagen |
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The car can't be run permanently in test mode, can it? Thought there was a chemical added to counter the NO2 in the emissions and the device only carried a small amount of it.
Don't think the road tax can go up either, if a car's in a specific tax band, surely it has to stay there and the point of the fine to VW will be to pay the DVLA the money they lost out on by undercharging drivers in the first place.
Also can anything actually be done to these cars to reduce their emissions now? I'd be surprised. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Vag group is germanys biggest company. What it tells us is that when business, s get really big and powerful. ..politically powerful they operate in a way that is totally self serving. They become monopolies that will pervert justice if need be to remain dominant. Strong government needs to step in act harshly to represent the peoples interests. This stuff has happened before...and this will not be the last...!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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OK this will be a bit of fact free winging it,
This has come about because of the demand for power and economy from consumer and pressure for eco from coverment,
Engines dont really have the ability to output both so they bodge the test results,
What about other makes, They must be competitive with tax band and performance outputs
So are they not really as good as the German alternatives in tax etc
Are they likely to be next caught and doing the same trick
Or have they actually got engines that do produce decent stats and vag just lazy
Or am I looking at It wrong,
Guess I'am thinking if vag had to do this to output these stats and other makes are comparable in stats, what method are other manufacturers using
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!!
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road."
Yeah I googled them... that's not what I have. What I have are 19" low profiles. No more punctures please!
Well fuckity fuck I hope my Barney isn't one of the ones affected. Twats! |
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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!!
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road.
Yeah I googled them... that's not what I have. What I have are 19" low profiles. No more punctures please!
Well fuckity fuck I hope my Barney isn't one of the ones affected. Twats! "
Do you have a scirocco on seals then? |
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!!
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road.
Yeah I googled them... that's not what I have. What I have are 19" low profiles. No more punctures please!
Well fuckity fuck I hope my Barney isn't one of the ones affected. Twats!
Do you have a scirocco on seals then?"
No... I have a VW Beetle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
Lol carefully. ..
What's the difference between a jew & a pizza......
The pizza doesn't scream when u turn the oven on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder if VW are gonna pay my road tax if it goes up!
It will and will they fuck!
They're gonna have to pay out wads though... I bought my wheels in good faith.
German companies are used to it, they've lied about gas emissions before....
How do you think we'll find out if our cars are affected... will it just be when it goes for an MOT and they'll check it out? "
Only if you take it to cslifornia lol. Europe doesn't really give a shit about NOX levels were co2 obsessed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"OK this will be a bit of fact free winging it,
This has come about because of the demand for power and economy from consumer and pressure for eco from coverment,
Engines dont really have the ability to output both so they bodge the test results,
What about other makes, They must be competitive with tax band and performance outputs
So are they not really as good as the German alternatives in tax etc
Are they likely to be next caught and doing the same trick
Or have they actually got engines that do produce decent stats and vag just lazy
Or am I looking at It wrong,
Guess I'am thinking if vag had to do this to output these stats and other makes are comparable in stats, what method are other manufacturers using
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Iirc the software dumped more urea in to scrub the NOX when it knew it was on teat but running that way all the time means filling the urea up way too often so it's annoying. Guess they might just retrofit a bigger tank. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OK this will be a bit of fact free winging it,
This has come about because of the demand for power and economy from consumer and pressure for eco from coverment,
Engines dont really have the ability to output both so they bodge the test results,
What about other makes, They must be competitive with tax band and performance outputs
So are they not really as good as the German alternatives in tax etc
Are they likely to be next caught and doing the same trick
Or have they actually got engines that do produce decent stats and vag just lazy
Or am I looking at It wrong,
Guess I'am thinking if vag had to do this to output these stats and other makes are comparable in stats, what method are other manufacturers using
Iirc the software dumped more urea in to scrub the NOX when it knew it was on teat but running that way all the time means filling the urea up way too often so it's annoying. Guess they might just retrofit a bigger tank. "
I thought VW used a heat transfer type DPF, no need for urea. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!!
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road.
Yeah I googled them... that's not what I have. What I have are 19" low profiles. No more punctures please!
Well fuckity fuck I hope my Barney isn't one of the ones affected. Twats! "
Where are you buying tyres?!
Mine are nowhere near that much... |
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You're not still on run-flats are you?
I have no idea what that means!!
And the performance will only be affected if I take him back... can they make me?
Run-flats are your tyres.
If your car is found to be one of those affected then, yes, they can make you. If you don't your car won't comply with emissions regulations and therefore won't be fit for the road.
Yeah I googled them... that's not what I have. What I have are 19" low profiles. No more punctures please!
Well fuckity fuck I hope my Barney isn't one of the ones affected. Twats!
Where are you buying tyres?!
Mine are nowhere near that much..."
I only bought one cause I was down south and didn't have a lot of choice. I'll shop around when I need them next. They're not standard stock apparently. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Well I have to say that our company Skoda is a really really good car.
It's hugely spacious, goes very quickly indeed and on a good day I've had 70 mpg on a trip.
I was a bit worried that they might re-chip it during a recall and it would lose all the performance - but it seems so far that it's not the same engine that has the offending software.
Janet
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Hmmmmm sounds good,any chance of a wee test drive Janet.
I might even try the car while I'm there.
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my dad had a red daf marathon 66 rally variomatic rally car once it had a silver stripe along the sides back in 76/77 it was a reliable car and did many Miles on the road, did someone take over Daf? .. the 66 may be wrong? |
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This surely is fraud on a huge scale, the road tax the treasury has been swindled out of is simply criminal matter with a huge knock on affect to customers. If joe public commits tax fraud they want they're money, fines and possible jail sentences. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This surely is fraud on a huge scale, the road tax the treasury has been swindled out of is simply criminal matter with a huge knock on affect to customers. If joe public commits tax fraud they want they're money, fines and possible jail sentences."
It's fraud on a global scale. |
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"This surely is fraud on a huge scale, the road tax the treasury has been swindled out of is simply criminal matter with a huge knock on affect to customers. If joe public commits tax fraud they want they're money, fines and possible jail sentences.
It's fraud on a global scale."
And no arrest's! just a few apologies. |
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"This surely is fraud on a huge scale, the road tax the treasury has been swindled out of is simply criminal matter with a huge knock on affect to customers. If joe public commits tax fraud they want they're money, fines and possible jail sentences.
It's fraud on a global scale.
And no arrest's! just a few apologies."
Early days, the US are likely to want to make scapegoats of one or two executives. The US car industry has been crushed by foreign imports, mainly Japanese, they'll see this as an opportunity to claim some moral high ground. |
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"My new A3 is ready on Wednesday if it starts chucking out black smoke like the flying Scotsman I'm not taking it !
I'm not a solicitor but Wouldn't the fact its notable to produce the performance figures be under the a trade descriptions and not fit for purpose reason to return for a full refund .?.. "
I think it's the engine before the current model but yes I agree people should be entitled to a full refund or a new car and based on that scenario VW could go out of business |
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