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"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" No idea but I hope it's fair for all concerned. | |||
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"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" Russia? It's not in the EU. UK has opted out of the quota deal anyway so if they get a deal it will be to lose some! | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? Russia? It's not in the EU. UK has opted out of the quota deal anyway so if they get a deal it will be to lose some!"  | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" The UK has opted out of the quota system, instead saying we will take 20,000 from camps in and around Syria, thereby saving the refugees from a dangerous trip, and also making sure they are fleeing the conflict, and are not economic migrants. | |||
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"Hmm, I heard somewhere the actual % is 0.11% of eu population, so if they where averaged out its actually just a few people per town, across the eu. And the we are full thing is amusing, heard someone say that about Canada "There is lots of room in Canada. Much of it is empty for a reason! Feel free to discuss immigration issues with Mr and Mrs Grizzly. | |||
"Hmm, I heard somewhere the actual % is 0.11% of eu population, so if they where averaged out its actually just a few people per town, across the eu. And the we are full thing is amusing, heard someone say that about Canada
There is lots of room in Canada. Much of it is empty for a reason! Feel free to discuss immigration issues with Mr and Mrs Grizzly." | |||
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"The whole of Britain is taking 20,000 over five years. Our region of Germany is taking 17,000 this week. "When the quotas are applied:- Going to be interesting to see how Germany puts a positive spin on relocating refugees by train to camps in Poland. | |||
"I'm sure the refugees and their children will be truly grateful and relieved to be given safe sanctuary anywhere they can live without fear ,,,,, ..... "Turkey? | |||
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"I'm sure the refugees and their children will be truly grateful and relieved to be given safe sanctuary anywhere they can live without fear ,,,,, .....
Turkey?"Exactly. Or Lebanon or Jordan? | |||
"Not really a problem I worry about as most will settle in Penge "lol all of London more like | |||
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"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah. "Blah blah, bleeding heart, blah blah, token liberal cyber comfort blanket comment, blah blah, let them all come, blah blah blah. Oh wait a mo, while you've just been blahing, another economic migrant just refused asylum in the first safe country they entered. Never mind. It's all just blah, blah blah. | |||
"Not really a problem I worry about as most will settle in Penge lol all of London more like "The wealthier cities are the most likely to "benefit" from all the new "culture" they are about to receive. Best of luck to all you city folk.  | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" But I'm confused about the question... | |||
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"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah. "We're full don't ya know? We are about 8% built on, we're brimming over the edges. | |||
"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Blah blah, bleeding heart, blah blah, token liberal cyber comfort blanket comment, blah blah, let them all come, blah blah blah.
Oh wait a mo, while you've just been blahing, another economic migrant just refused asylum in the first safe country they entered.
Never mind.
It's all just blah, blah blah."That's the truth :D | |||
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"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah. "Libtard...Liberal retard :D | |||
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"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Libtard...Liberal retard :D "FAB! Did... Did you just call me a retard? | |||
"Not really a problem I worry about as most will settle in Penge lol all of London more like
The wealthier cities are the most likely to "benefit" from all the new "culture" they are about to receive. Best of luck to all you city folk. "I can't wait for more victims of my elbows on our already over crowded buses | |||
"Not really a problem I worry about as most will settle in Penge lol all of London more like
The wealthier cities are the most likely to "benefit" from all the new "culture" they are about to receive. Best of luck to all you city folk. "The cities won't even notice 11 people a day. That's what the UK's proposed allowance of asylum seekers means. | |||
"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Libtard...Liberal retard :D
FAB!
Did...
Did you just call me a retard?
"No not you personaly :D 'Libtard' is a Liberal retard!! Let the Isis refugees deep into Europe...let them blow up our trains too...equality for all...ffs | |||
"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Libtard...Liberal retard :D "That's not very nice. | |||
"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Libtard...Liberal retard :D
FAB!
Did...
Did you just call me a retard?
No not you personaly :D 'Libtard' is a Liberal retard!! Let the Isis refugees deep into Europe...let them blow up our trains too...equality for all...ffs "Glad to hear to it! So. Which ISIS refugees are you talking about? Just curious... | |||
"Blah blah, outrage, blah blah, small minded comment, blah blah, send them all back, blah blah blah blah blah... Oh, wait a mo' while you've been blahing people just died. Never mind. It's all just blah blah blah.
Libtard...Liberal retard :D
FAB!
Did...
Did you just call me a retard?
"For posting a sentence at a time. It's bloody annoying to read. Just an observation | |||
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"There all ISIS ye know yourself " What? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself What?" Who are all ISIS? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself " gotta love the comedy post.. | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself What? Who are all ISIS?" Them refugees!!! You he happy if your walkin down the street and one of them runs up and screams Allah Akbar into your ear...you be happy then? Huh? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post.. "Gold dust | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself What? Who are all ISIS? Them refugees!!! You he happy if your walkin down the street and one of them runs up and screams Allah Akbar into your ear...you be happy then? Huh? " Do we have to choose between that or having retard screamed into our ears? I want to make an informed decision. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" In answer to your OP shag, Russia is not in the EU, although they should be seeing as the EU is like the old soviet union. Britain has already opted out of the EU's quota system as we are taking 20,000 Syrian refugees directly from the refugee camps in countries on the border with Syria. Britain has also contributed over £900 million in aid funding to help the refugee camps on the borders of Syria. The EU by comparison has contributed a lot less than Britain in aid funding. It was in the newspapers today Cameron will urge the EU to contribute more in aid for the refugee camps, because so far they are falling short of what Britain has contributed. It's unlikely the EU will give more though because Martin Shultz (EU commissioner) has said the EU has a significant shortfall in the kitty for overseas aid contributions (they probably spent it all bailing Greece out tbh). | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself What? Who are all ISIS? Them refugees!!! You he happy if your walkin down the street and one of them runs up and screams Allah Akbar into your ear...you be happy then? Huh? " I'm still confused - who's gonna scream in my ear? And what's that got to do with bombs and refugees? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust"so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS.. therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists.. amazing.. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? In answer to your OP shag, Russia is not in the EU, although they should be seeing as the EU is like the old soviet union. Britain has already opted out of the EU's quota system as we are taking 20,000 Syrian refugees directly from the refugee camps in countries on the border with Syria. Britain has also contributed over £900 million in aid funding to help the refugee camps on the borders of Syria. The EU by comparison has contributed a lot less than Britain in aid funding. It was in the newspapers today Cameron will urge the EU to contribute more in aid for the refugee camps, because so far they are falling short of what Britain has contributed. It's unlikely the EU will give more though because Martin Shultz (EU commissioner) has said the EU has a significant shortfall in the kitty for overseas aid contributions (they probably spent it all bailing Greece out tbh)." So? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing.."I never knew that! Wow. Now I'm scared | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing.."ISIS are getting bored in Syria, they want a different type of sand now. They think European beaches will do the trick. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? In answer to your OP shag, Russia is not in the EU, although they should be seeing as the EU is like the old soviet union. Britain has already opted out of the EU's quota system as we are taking 20,000 Syrian refugees directly from the refugee camps in countries on the border with Syria. Britain has also contributed over £900 million in aid funding to help the refugee camps on the borders of Syria. The EU by comparison has contributed a lot less than Britain in aid funding. It was in the newspapers today Cameron will urge the EU to contribute more in aid for the refugee camps, because so far they are falling short of what Britain has contributed. It's unlikely the EU will give more though because Martin Shultz (EU commissioner) has said the EU has a significant shortfall in the kitty for overseas aid contributions (they probably spent it all bailing Greece out tbh). So?" So nothing I was answering the OP's question. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? In answer to your OP shag, Russia is not in the EU, although they should be seeing as the EU is like the old soviet union. Britain has already opted out of the EU's quota system as we are taking 20,000 Syrian refugees directly from the refugee camps in countries on the border with Syria. Britain has also contributed over £900 million in aid funding to help the refugee camps on the borders of Syria. The EU by comparison has contributed a lot less than Britain in aid funding. It was in the newspapers today Cameron will urge the EU to contribute more in aid for the refugee camps, because so far they are falling short of what Britain has contributed. It's unlikely the EU will give more though because Martin Shultz (EU commissioner) has said the EU has a significant shortfall in the kitty for overseas aid contributions (they probably spent it all bailing Greece out tbh). So? So nothing I was answering the OP's question. " And is that a good response, in your opinion? | |||
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"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing..
ISIS are getting bored in Syria, they want a different type of sand now. They think European beaches will do the trick. "thats a lot of buckets and spades to be sold by some entrepreneur.. | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing..
ISIS are getting bored in Syria, they want a different type of sand now. They think European beaches will do the trick.
thats a lot of buckets and spades to be sold by some entrepreneur.."Tsk - some dragons in a den have beat me to it. | |||
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"It's a joy to see people who only a couple of weeks ago were ranting and raving about cutting the UK's overseas aid budget to nothing now showing national pride in the £800 - £900 million a year contribution to one regional problem. The total contribution from the EU is about 4 billion euros. Meanwhile Turkey and Lebanon are each individually paying around that much each year." I can't imagine what it must be like living in Lebanon at the minute. Such a small country trying to do their best. It's been hanging on to stability as best it can itself. | |||
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"Total contribution from the EU is 4 billion euros. Britain is in the EU and contributes to the EU budget, so how much of that 4 billion is UK taxpayers money. On an individual country by country comparison, Britain has contributed more in aid than any other European country. It's also funny those on here who were defending Britain's overseas aid budget a few months ago on the forum are now trying to downplay Britain's contribution to the refugee crisis. It seems nothing is ever good enough for some of you people. " NONE of this is FUNNY. Some of us have been consistent about the UK's need to man up to its international obligations whilst some have been consistent about shirking them. Now you realise how wrong that is you jump on to the band wagon at such a speed it's a surprise you don't break your neck. Until of course party central office tells you off for thinking independently. It's a joy to see you sheltering under that blanket of compassion you were shunning earlier in the thread. There's room for you and plenty more. | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing.."The UK has estimated that just 2 to 3% of the refugees will be ISIS trained terrorists. Surely we could manage that? Oh, wait a minute, that's somewhere between 220,000 and 330,000 potential suicide bombers. | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing..
The UK has estimated that just 2 to 3% of the refugees will be ISIS trained terrorists. Surely we could manage that?
Oh, wait a minute, that's somewhere between 220,000 and 330,000 potential suicide bombers.
"was never good at math but if we are taking 20,000 then 2 or 3% of that is slightly less than 220,000 yes? | |||
"There is no requirement in international, European or UK law for a refugee to seek asylum in the first country they come to. They can seek asylum at any time. " I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble, but the requirement of seeking asylum in The European Union is governed by a regulation, which came into force in September 2003, known as "Dublin II". This sets out criteria for determining which member state is responsible for examining any asylum claim made within the EU. One of the main criteria is the point of entry into the EU. Unless other factors such as family unity or existing residence documents are in issue, the member state into which the person FIRST arrives from outside the EU will be responsible for determining any claim for asylum made within 12 months. After that time responsibility lies with the last member state where the asylum seeker has lived continuously for a period of at least five months. So if you are a genuine refugee your claim for asylum will not be rejected on the basis that you did not claim asylum in the first country you came to, but you may be passed from one country to another before your claim is determined and the effect of the act is that an asylum seeker should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to ( within the EU), or may be returned to that country to claim asylum. There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. I have taken this from "Liberty Central". I also saw a Syrian refugee being interviewed in Germany today, he said that "if I don't get to stay in Germany, and have to go somewhere else in Europe, I will go back to Syria. And so will many of my friends" So, how does that sit with being a refugee from a war torn country? | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing..
The UK has estimated that just 2 to 3% of the refugees will be ISIS trained terrorists. Surely we could manage that?
Oh, wait a minute, that's somewhere between 220,000 and 330,000 potential suicide bombers.
"Sorry, that should be the UN.. not the UK. | |||
"There all ISIS ye know yourself gotta love the comedy post..
Gold dust
so the estimated 11 million refugees from Syria alone are all ISIS..
therefore it is all a cunning ploy between ISIS who hid their identity as a 'group' and Assad to have the war and destroy half the country to create these refugees oops sorry ISIS terrorists..
amazing..
The UK has estimated that just 2 to 3% of the refugees will be ISIS trained terrorists. Surely we could manage that?
Oh, wait a minute, that's somewhere between 220,000 and 330,000 potential suicide bombers.
Sorry, that should be the UN.. not the UK."not seen the report etc but there have been Syrian refugee's in several countries for over 3 years now, certainly over a million in Turkey but not heard of any terrorist act's attributed to them..? | |||
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"One thing I been wondered about, when Syria returns and there is no war, wonder how many would return as they have set up a new life in other countries? " ...and what's your view, OP? | |||
"One thing I been wondered about, when Syria returns and there is no war, wonder how many would return as they have set up a new life in other countries? ...and what's your view, OP?" I think they would stay, depending how well of they would be, but surely a country needs it people back to generate income again? | |||
"One thing I been wondered about, when Syria returns and there is no war, wonder how many would return as they have set up a new life in other countries? ...and what's your view, OP?I think they would stay, depending how well of they would be, but surely a country needs it people back to generate income again?" I think it would be fair to say that a country devastated by a decade of civil war would need more than people - like Germany or Japan after WWII it would need concerted international investment and support. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get?" I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question... | |||
"There is no requirement in international, European or UK law for a refugee to seek asylum in the first country they come to. They can seek asylum at any time. I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble, but the requirement of seeking asylum in The European Union is governed by a regulation, which came into force in September 2003, known as "Dublin II". This sets out criteria for determining which member state is responsible for examining any asylum claim made within the EU. One of the main criteria is the point of entry into the EU. Unless other factors such as family unity or existing residence documents are in issue, the member state into which the person FIRST arrives from outside the EU will be responsible for determining any claim for asylum made within 12 months. After that time responsibility lies with the last member state where the asylum seeker has lived continuously for a period of at least five months. So if you are a genuine refugee your claim for asylum will not be rejected on the basis that you did not claim asylum in the first country you came to, but you may be passed from one country to another before your claim is determined and the effect of the act is that an asylum seeker should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to ( within the EU), or may be returned to that country to claim asylum. There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. I have taken this from "Liberty Central". I also saw a Syrian refugee being interviewed in Germany today, he said that "if I don't get to stay in Germany, and have to go somewhere else in Europe, I will go back to Syria. And so will many of my friends" So, how does that sit with being a refugee from a war torn country? " My bubble is quite happy. Did you actually read what you quoted? Let me help: "There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country." Which is exactly what I said. As for the Dublin regulations, it's Dublin 3 these days, from June 2013, which is very similar to Dublin 2 but tries to tidy it up based on expereince. Article 3 states: "1. Member States shall examine any application for international protection by a third-country national or a stateless person who applies on the territory of any one of them, including at the border or in the transit zones. The application shall be examined by a single Member State, which shall be the one which the criteria set out in Chapter III indicate is responsible. 2. Where no Member State responsible can be designated on the basis of the criteria listed in this Regulation, the first Member State in which the application for international protection was lodged shall be responsible for examining it". You'll note that the Dublin regulations put the obligation on the country where the refugee seeks asylum to process the applicant. They MAY apply the rules in chapter 3 to send the refugee to another country, but have to consider the rights of minors, family rights, previous country residence, whether or not entry was legal or illegal before they can refer an asylum application to a third safe country. As I say, I'm happy with my bubble. You can also have a look at the EUs action today to censure 18 EU countries for not following the procedures properly if you want. If you read the pre-amble to Dublin (and the other related EU directives) you'll find that they have international law embedded in them all the way back to 1951 --- because it was recognised post world war 2 and subsequently that the laws needed to protect asylum seekers, not persecute them further. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question..." YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? | |||
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"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u?" So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely? | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?" Belgravia has lots of empty homes. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?" Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely? Belgravia has lots of empty homes. " Taking in 11 people a day on average. It's going to be tough.  | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts." 'Building trade'? Are they all builders? I never knew... So do you think that 4k a year represents a 'good deal' for the UK? Or should we take more? What kind of obligation do we have - or not? | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts." We could make them share with existing EU immigrants. They must surely be learning and getting accustomed to our ways too, think of it like a buddy programme between immigrants and refugees. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts. 'Building trade'? Are they all builders? I never knew... So do you think that 4k a year represents a 'good deal' for the UK? Or should we take more? What kind of obligation do we have - or not?" Not sure but some might be builders, not all, I do recon uk could do more than 4k a year, do you? Although Cameron will send 100mill£ in aid to them. | |||
"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts. 'Building trade'? Are they all builders? I never knew... So do you think that 4k a year represents a 'good deal' for the UK? Or should we take more? What kind of obligation do we have - or not?Not sure but some might be builders, not all, I do recon uk could do more than 4k a year, do you? Although Cameron will send 100mill£ in aid to them." So you think the UK isn't doing enough or is sending money to somewhere enough? | |||
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"EU leaders are preparing for a crisis meeting in Brussels after the European government forced refugee quotas and those countries like Russia that don't want them might face penalties. What type of deal do you recon britain will get? I'm also curious to know what you think about the original question...YEs as we know I think uk will get the 20k of migrants, they might need to build camps and borrow some of the farmers land, do u? So the UK g'ment is talking about taking 20k refugees over 5 years (4k per year). Are you suggesting that they should be put in camps? Why not integrated in to cities? 4k for a city like London with all that infrastructure... water off a duck's back, surely?Yes like a temporary thing till they find placing's for them, but yes good idea and devide them all up so all places in the uk get some quota of them, they could help with the building trade and all sorts. 'Building trade'? Are they all builders? I never knew... So do you think that 4k a year represents a 'good deal' for the UK? Or should we take more? What kind of obligation do we have - or not?Not sure but some might be builders, not all, I do recon uk could do more than 4k a year, do you? Although Cameron will send 100mill£ in aid to them. So you think the UK isn't doing enough or is sending money to somewhere enough?" Yes I recon UK is doing enough and as well with sending the moneys should be plenty of help, do you? | |||
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"The whole of Britain is taking 20,000 over five years. Our region of Germany is taking 17,000 this week.
When the quotas are applied:-
Going to be interesting to see how Germany puts a positive spin on relocating refugees by train to camps in Poland."What I Sony like is how Germany went and said "yep you're all welcome come here...oh shit there's loads of you err quick close the borders" and now expects everyone else to take the rest. Sorry but you caused the problem you should deal with it. Say the first 1 million should all go to Germany the next million to Sweden then we can discuss what the res to the eu should take | |||
"The amount of people we are taking in is way too low in my opinion. but saudi arabia, Oman, Qatar who have some of the richest families and who border them, have taken on none which I find horrible, same with usa and aus. " I think that's because they remember what happened to Jordan after it took in all the Palestinian refugees. Also the USA takes 75,000 a year from resentalement programs. " Alot of people seem to claim that refugees are just going to steal benefits, crime etc blah blah, whereas they are people that have chosen not to involve themselves in the rebels and outlandish behaviour and are less dangerous than the general population intergrating into the workforce as fast as possible. Professionals that could be needed to sustain europes ageing population. " Except that many have already engaged in rioting, destruction of property, assult and rape since they've made it to the eu.... And the "professionals" guessing you mean medical staff don't have their documents/valid training here so they aren't professionals any more. | |||
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"It's very comfortable to sit and accuse people of cowardice, to tell them to go back where they came from. It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees." Yes damn those unfounded areas tests and pending court cases! Damn those German police who say they've had to change policy and not release information about rapes in the camps because of reprisals on the victims. And Damn all those videos showing the majority male economic migrants rioting and attacking police and civilians. It's all just so unfounded....wait shot no it's the oposite. | |||
"It's very comfortable to sit and accuse people of cowardice, to tell them to go back where they came from. It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees. Yes damn those unfounded areas tests and pending court cases! Damn those German police who say they've had to change policy and not release information about rapes in the camps because of reprisals on the victims. And Damn all those videos showing the majority male economic migrants rioting and attacking police and civilians. It's all just so unfounded....wait shot no it's the oposite." God it's another no shit Sherlock Moment. Well done for spotting that criminals exist in the camps. Even better for spotting that the German police are trying to protect rape victims which is what they should be doing. Sadly you're so obsessed with peering down the beer goggle lens of sky tv that you are unable to recognise the difference between a country under the rule of law and that where the government doesn't give a toss about the rights of people. Of course you can work yourself up into a lather about people engaging in public disorder, and of course such illegal behaviour should be dealt with under the law. That's what differentiates the Europe from places where law and civil rights don't mean a damn. These people aren't fleeing from a place where the worst that can happen is you trying to make your point through sarcasm, as scary as you may think that is. | |||
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"There is no requirement in international, European or UK law for a refugee to seek asylum in the first country they come to. They can seek asylum at any time. I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble, but the requirement of seeking asylum in The European Union is governed by a regulation, which came into force in September 2003, known as "Dublin II". This sets out criteria for determining which member state is responsible for examining any asylum claim made within the EU. One of the main criteria is the point of entry into the EU. Unless other factors such as family unity or existing residence documents are in issue, the member state into which the person FIRST arrives from outside the EU will be responsible for determining any claim for asylum made within 12 months. After that time responsibility lies with the last member state where the asylum seeker has lived continuously for a period of at least five months. So if you are a genuine refugee your claim for asylum will not be rejected on the basis that you did not claim asylum in the first country you came to, but you may be passed from one country to another before your claim is determined and the effect of the act is that an asylum seeker should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to ( within the EU), or may be returned to that country to claim asylum. There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. I have taken this from "Liberty Central". I also saw a Syrian refugee being interviewed in Germany today, he said that "if I don't get to stay in Germany, and have to go somewhere else in Europe, I will go back to Syria. And so will many of my friends" So, how does that sit with being a refugee from a war torn country? My bubble is quite happy. Did you actually read what you quoted? Let me help: "There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country." Which is exactly what I said. " Thank you for quoting a part of what I wrote, the next part of which was; There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. | |||
""Sadly you're so obsessed with peering down the beer goggle lens of sky tv that you are unable to recognise the difference between a country under the rule of law and that where the government doesn't give a toss about the rights of people." Pretty sure all the eu nations getting smashed up by the migrants are countries "under the rule of law". Hungary had to deputise about 800 people into emergency riot police to deal with it " I must say I enjoyed the bit where he said "It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees." And when you pointed out the court cases, change of police procedures and policies, and videos of riots etc actually give foundation to your point, the reply was then "...no shit sherlock.... criminals exist in the camps..." | |||
""Sadly you're so obsessed with peering down the beer goggle lens of sky tv that you are unable to recognise the difference between a country under the rule of law and that where the government doesn't give a toss about the rights of people." Pretty sure all the eu nations getting smashed up by the migrants are countries "under the rule of law". Hungary had to deputise about 800 people into emergency riot police to deal with it I must say I enjoyed the bit where he said "It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees." And when you pointed out the court cases, change of police procedures and policies, and videos of riots etc actually give foundation to your point, the reply was then "...no shit sherlock.... criminals exist in the camps..." " Lol this is why I support the us aproach we go with the Un and assessment the most vulnerable and the most in need of specialist care in the camps and we take those because as a nation that's what we can offer best. Heck if I was pure evil capitalist I'd be saying yep great snap up all these strapping young men to fill cheap labour jobs, but no I support taking fewer far more needy cases and yes nearly everyone we take from the camps will be a net drain on our economy because they will be children, the ill, the disabled (by war, weapons or illness), the victims of extreme torture who will need years of care to get themselves back on track. But the UK has the facilities to do that we can help these people who would literally be thrown on the trash in any middle eastern or eastern European country. So we take them through the vulnerable persons resettlement scheme and do what we can. Let's leave dealing with the ones willing to break the law for a better benifit deal to Germany and those who invited them | |||
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""Sadly you're so obsessed with peering down the beer goggle lens of sky tv that you are unable to recognise the difference between a country under the rule of law and that where the government doesn't give a toss about the rights of people." Pretty sure all the eu nations getting smashed up by the migrants are countries "under the rule of law". Hungary had to deputise about 800 people into emergency riot police to deal with it I must say I enjoyed the bit where he said "It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees." And when you pointed out the court cases, change of police procedures and policies, and videos of riots etc actually give foundation to your point, the reply was then "...no shit sherlock.... criminals exist in the camps..." " That's why we have police, lawyers and a court system and don't try people on public forums on the Internet. In reality you (and I) have no idea about the background to any case or allegation yet you are willing to jump on the bandwagon because you think your lack of knowledge proves something? | |||
"The whole of Britain is taking 20,000 over five years. Our region of Germany is taking 17,000 this week. "Hopefully they will enter Germany just for one reason; to travel to England; the land of milk and honey and housing benefits | |||
"There is no requirement in international, European or UK law for a refugee to seek asylum in the first country they come to. They can seek asylum at any time. I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble, but the requirement of seeking asylum in The European Union is governed by a regulation, which came into force in September 2003, known as "Dublin II". This sets out criteria for determining which member state is responsible for examining any asylum claim made within the EU. One of the main criteria is the point of entry into the EU. Unless other factors such as family unity or existing residence documents are in issue, the member state into which the person FIRST arrives from outside the EU will be responsible for determining any claim for asylum made within 12 months. After that time responsibility lies with the last member state where the asylum seeker has lived continuously for a period of at least five months. So if you are a genuine refugee your claim for asylum will not be rejected on the basis that you did not claim asylum in the first country you came to, but you may be passed from one country to another before your claim is determined and the effect of the act is that an asylum seeker should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to ( within the EU), or may be returned to that country to claim asylum. There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. I have taken this from "Liberty Central". I also saw a Syrian refugee being interviewed in Germany today, he said that "if I don't get to stay in Germany, and have to go somewhere else in Europe, I will go back to Syria. And so will many of my friends" So, how does that sit with being a refugee from a war torn country? My bubble is quite happy. Did you actually read what you quoted? Let me help: "There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country." Which is exactly what I said. Thank you for quoting a part of what I wrote, the next part of which was; There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. " You are welcome. Since your source was based on a version of the regulations that was ten years out of date I thought might like to look at the most recent version. | |||
"Total contribution from the EU is 4 billion euros. Britain is in the EU and contributes to the EU budget, so how much of that 4 billion is UK taxpayers money. " no .... please enlighten us with you're wildest surmise | |||
"It's very comfortable to sit and accuse people of cowardice, to tell them to go back where they came from. It's simple enough to make unfounded allegations of rape, assault or whatever about Syrian refugees. And in truth there will be thieves, murderers and rapists among any large group of people, Syrians included. That doesn't mean that the great mass of them aren't justified in their claims for asylum. . So here's a story from the press for you of one person who claims to have resisted the Assad regime. I've no way of knowing how true it is... Just as those of you who are going to come up with a knee jerk reaction and call it lying propaganda have no idea either. I do know that if one tenth of it is true, it's a terrifying place to be. Her ordeal began on April 29, 2011. Abdulrahman is from an area in the southern part of Damascus called Al-Midan and had four children at that point. She was living a double life, fighting "during work hours" to hide her FSA world from her husband. One day in April she had gotten caught up in an incident in which a regime soldier was severely beating a 16-year-old boy at a checkpoint. Sick of the constant brutality, she says, she tried to intervene. This is what led to her own beating and incarceration by the Assad regime. During dark sessions over a period of 38 days, guards whipped her with a wire, strung her alternatively by her wrists and feet, and injected the crook of her elbow twice a day with a kind of drug that made her feel high, she says. The things Abdulrahman recalls the men saying as they allegedly raped her multiple times were so filthy she is loath to repeat them -- "it's too dirty and too low" -- although she remembers them saying, "Here is the freedom you wanted" (a phrase similar to ones other women have reported hearing while being raped in Syria). And she can summon up at least one face. And a couple of names. Within an hour of her arrival at the detention center in Harasta, about 7 miles (12 kilometers) north of Damascus, where she was held in a cell with 20 other women, she says she was roused to consciousness and her torture began. She describes being gang-raped daily by men who smelled strongly of alcohol. Floating in and out of consciousness, she would kick and yell as best she could while lying next to another woman doing the same. "We were all blindfolded and raped and we would not know who was raping us," she says, tearing up for the first time in our interview. Before being blindfolded, she could see what she calls the "boss" sit in front of them, teaching them "exactly what to do and say to us." "They were ordered to take this one, to take 'your portion,'" she says. "And they would take it." Abdulrahman describes to me how she and one other woman from her colorless cell, college-aged, were usually taken together to another room with no furniture and raped. She remembers clearly the face of one man who tortured her. He was "very, very tan," she says, "very, very thin," and balding, she says; he was one of the men who would hit her while she was hung from the ceiling. Later, her same acquaintance would be afraid to return home after what happened to her. Abdulrahman says she helped arrange for the young women to get surgery that would restore her "virginity" -- a not-uncommon practice or desire for women raped in Syria, from what I've learned. In Amman in May, I spoke to a surgeon who had tried to refer a young woman to a gynecologist for similar treatment at her request. (The survivor was too frightened to follow through, the surgeon said.) Back in the windowless, bare cell with about 20 other women, no one spoke much, Abdulrahman says. They hardly slept. The women "were emotionless," she says. Abdulrahman says she knew that at least seven of the other women in her cell were tortured, but doesn't know about the rest. The women were forcibly folded into tires and beaten, she says. Sometimes they would have salt rubbed into their wounds to maximize the pain, a relatively frequent description of torture in Syria's war." all sadly very similar to how women were treated under Pinochet's regime.. | |||
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Given some of the horrendous racial slurs and lies that some people come up with, we should be grateful for the slightest shred of honesty, especially when it's so sincere. "If you think anyone has applied racial slurs, I hope you have passed it to the Police but at the very least reported it to FAB | |||
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"Gosh... an outbreak of agreement. Whatever next!" An outbreak of insincerity? | |||
"Gosh... an outbreak of agreement. Whatever next! An outbreak of insincerity?" I was being very sincere! Given the hysteria surrounding the subject on occasions, it's refreshing to find some more measured comments in this recent thread. | |||
