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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would depend how I'd died........

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

Why George is more muscumar than me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Muscular*

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

was he always a Bull

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do you let so many people suffer?

-Courtney

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By *ighting17thMan over a year ago

Bodmin

Why did that taxi crash kill someone as gifted and brilliant as Eddie Cochran at the age of 21, when over rated crap 'artists' like Elton John and Cliff Richard are allowed on Earth for so long?

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By *ildt123Man over a year ago

Huddersfield

Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

Was he always into bdsm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

Is father Christmas also real?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you fucking blind or what? !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why did you let the Beatles form?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Could you microwave a burrito so hot, even you couldn't eat it?

-Marc (stolen from Homer Simpson)

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

could you organise a few meets for the whining people on Fab

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

If Jesus was truly his Son, why , when he rose on the third day , did he not show himself to the rest of the Jews (not just his chosen few) for avoidance of doubt ?

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"could you organise a few meets for the whining people on Fab"

some will need god's intervention

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What do you mean 'if'?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"could you organise a few meets for the whining people on Fab

some will need god's intervention"

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is he such a despicable cunt to the most innocent and vulnerable of 'his' creations?

Would be my question.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

you gonna let me in or wha? coz allahs taking on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

does my bum look big in this

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By *callycatMan over a year ago

Mid Wales

What kind of sick bastard are you to create a world where 14 month old kids die of cancer?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What do you mean 'if'?

Coz we don't really know whether he actually exists , do we?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Could you microwave a burrito so hot, even you couldn't eat it?

-Marc (stolen from Homer Simpson)"

As melon scratchers go that's a honey doodle

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By *issScarlett25Woman over a year ago

Nottingham

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

How do you look so good for being so damn old!

Followed by

Let's fuck!

Followed by

Hey satan, I hear you have been expecting me...

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

I'd just be sooooo grateful I was meeting him and not the other guy, I'd probably end up asking him if he was sure I shouldn't be at the other place

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's your problem with Dinosaurs,,?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What! your real, really, explain this arc then, we must have got it wrong, 2 of every animal in one arc we heard, what actually happened then,

You start on the arc and I'll make a list of some of the ridiculous things I need you to explain,"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Could you microwave a burrito so hot, even you couldn't eat it?

-Marc (stolen from Homer Simpson)

As melon scratchers go that's a honey doodle "

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Imo there could be no rational question.. I guess I'd remain silent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scrotums? Really?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why the hell did you put guys g spot up his Arse lol

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

You'd have to ask how s/he managed to pull off the biggest confidence trick of all time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In response to the Stephen Fry thing.. I think he is being narrow minded and bigoted. All people do who don't believe or have doubts is pick holes.

He mentions all the bad but never mentions the good ?

What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer.. what about all the good in the world..

No he focused on the bad to gain public response... typical and predictable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Plus why can't men multitask?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you sure I'm in the right place?

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By *nFairnessMan over a year ago

The Four Corners

"was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?"

If Mary was a virgin... Jesus popped her cherry... logically deduced. they don't mention things like that in the bible.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer.. "

Surely a child getting cancer isn't a good thing in the first place? Why put any child through that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer..

Surely a child getting cancer isn't a good thing in the first place? Why put any child through that?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why did you let the Beatles form? "

hahahahahahaha love it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is he up for a FMM with satan?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why now ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?

If Mary was a virgin... Jesus popped her cherry... logically deduced. they don't mention things like that in the bible."

Jesus didn't pop her cherry...Jesus was born without original sin, meaning Mary never had sex. Its a miracle. Jesus was her baby, God was his father...So Jesus never popped anyone's cherry. Though God and Jesus are the same person. It makes perfect sense when you think about it.

When I meet you, I'll loan you my copy of the bible

-Courtney

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By *nFairnessMan over a year ago

The Four Corners

"was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?

If Mary was a virgin... Jesus popped her cherry... logically deduced. they don't mention things like that in the bible.

When I meet you, I'll loan you my copy of the bible

-Courtney"

lol i don't believe in god... i am the creator in my universe, i honestly dont feel the need to pass off acknowledgement for my miraculous deeds to some entity that other people use as a form of income.

However. religion is a concept that can be bought in and out of just like every other thing in this reality. and thus it holds some value to some people. i respect that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Plus why can't men multitask?

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I can I'm watching TV and on the Forums.

Most bad things in the world are as a result of man's freedom to do what he chooses.

I'd ask him why it can't be women chasing men more as opposed to the other way round

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?

If Mary was a virgin... Jesus popped her cherry... logically deduced. they don't mention things like that in the bible.

When I meet you, I'll loan you my copy of the bible

-Courtney

However. religion is a concept that can be bought in and out of just like every other thing in this reality. and thus it holds some value to some people. i respect that."

I don't believe in god either. I was just giving you a bit more info so that when you get the chance to ask him a question, you don't waste it

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why did you let the Beatles form?

hahahahahahaha love it

I am waiting for the backlash. Some people take criticising the Beatles way too much to heart

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By *nFairnessMan over a year ago

The Four Corners

"was Mary really a virgin when he met her ?

If Mary was a virgin... Jesus popped her cherry... logically deduced. they don't mention things like that in the bible.

When I meet you, I'll loan you my copy of the bible

-Courtney

However. religion is a concept that can be bought in and out of just like every other thing in this reality. and thus it holds some value to some people. i respect that.

I don't believe in god either. I was just giving you a bit more info so that when you get the chance to ask him a question, you don't waste it

-Courtney"

lmao you had me worried there for a moment hahaha :P

'' god... i've always wondered... of all the names you could have picked ... why did you pick dog backwards?''

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

thank you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In response to the Stephen Fry thing.. I think he is being narrow minded and bigoted. All people do who don't believe or have doubts is pick holes.

He mentions all the bad but never mentions the good ?

What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer.. what about all the good in the world..

No he focused on the bad to gain public response... typical and predictable "

Children surviving cancer isn't an act of God. It's down the the actions of man (doctors, nurses, researchers etc). My sister survived it twice before she was 12. If you saw the level of suffering bestowed on those children that I did by 'God' you'd soon realise that he either doesn't exist or he's an utterly twisted cunt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"thank you"

tsk tsk!

That's not a question

-Courtney

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"In response to the Stephen Fry thing.. I think he is being narrow minded and bigoted. All people do who don't believe or have doubts is pick holes.

He mentions all the bad but never mentions the good ?

What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer.. what about all the good in the world..

No he focused on the bad to gain public response... typical and predictable

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's with all the fire n brimstone dude? Not cool

lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?"

Think that's the Human race did that !

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

I have to disagree about the fire and brimstone but then I've been a very twisted fire starter (technically it was scientist but involved lots of fire starting and some fun extinguishing).

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

"'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?

Think that's the Human race did that ! "

But who is responsible for creating the human race. Also lots of nature is pretty screwed up without our intervention.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?

Think that's the Human race did that !

But who is responsible for creating the human race. Also lots of nature is pretty screwed up without our intervention."

And IF you believed in that concept teachings show that mankind was given freedom of choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd ask him for a blowjob because if you never ask you never get

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I saw that too - and also his speech on 'the Catholic Church - is it a force for good or evil?'

To say he has a point is an understatement!

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

But the underlying construct of our minds would have still been a mixture of our underlying genetics and our learning up to that point. Both of which would fall back to his starting conditions.

At the most basic level think something like the mathematical game of life experiments.

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man over a year ago

Stourbridge

It's made up bullshit.

However , I respect your right to believe said bullshit, just don't bother me with it.

Mr.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd ask if he truly is the creator of life, then home much life is there out in the universe that he supposedly created.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

why did you make another mans wife pregnant when you said adultery is a sin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In response to the Stephen Fry thing.. I think he is being narrow minded and bigoted. All people do who don't believe or have doubts is pick holes.

He mentions all the bad but never mentions the good ?

What about the miracles or the children surviving cancer.. what about all the good in the world..

No he focused on the bad to gain public response... typical and predictable "

I used to teach Sunday school and believed almost everything in the bible - but I don't now!

I think there may be a greater being - but I firmly believe that the bible was written by intellectual men to control other men who were physically stronger but intellectually weaker - and to subjugate women! It worked for thousands of years - and still does in some places! In some African (Christian) countries you can be put to death for the 'crime' of being gay - because the bible says that homosexuality is evil. If there is a god he has some things to be thanked for but a lot to answer for too - the bible being one of them! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm gonna create man and women with original sin.Then I'm gonna impregnate a women with myself as her child,so that i can be born .Once alive ,I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself .To save you all from sin i originally condemned you to ! ...... SOoo I'd ask him what the fuck were you taking or drinking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a few people have chosen to complain about bad stuff to god I thought I'd pry.

If you take a determinist stance, as many scientists do, then things like cancer and the holocaust were still "meant to be"... they were the inevitable result of previous events completely unrelated to the innocent people who suffered and died.

So it would seem that the problem here is not that a small child died because "it was meant to be" or it was somehow destined for them... as the laws of physics could be said to have similarly doomed them... but rather that a conscious mind deliberately devised such a fate for them.

I guess, since this argument against god seems to be a plea to wishful thinking, I'm wondering if its more comforting to imagine that we're at the behest of a mindless set of laws that will inevitably deliver suffering upon us? I guess the real pinch here is that, at least with the laws of physics you know its definitely not our fault if we suffer... whereas if it is the work of a god then there's always the lingering sense that we maybe did something wrong without knowing... which just feels like such an unjust concept. Indeed, there is little talk about "if god exists why did he force Hitler to kill himself?"... so it would seem that it is not the act itself which is the problem... but the fact that it happens to innocent people. The response of some theists is that these "innocent people" brought it upon themselves in some way... either through not being religious enough or through original sin... and its actually that which is detestable... not the existence of cancer.

Obviously I could be completely wrong... lol it's been known to happen

but there's some thoughts for ya anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

just to clarify... its the assertion that innocent people have somehow brought suffering upon themselves which is destestable... and I would agree.

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By *p4funCouple over a year ago

Plymouth

Where does the other sock go ???

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By *uperock99Man over a year ago

Milton Keynes

They should have google GOD to ask a question and get an answer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wot times tea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

where the fuck have you been?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As a few people have chosen to complain about bad stuff to god I thought I'd pry.

Obviously I could be completely wrong... lol it's been known to happen

but there's some thoughts for ya anyway

WTF

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

Nick grimshaw, why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This time can i go back as a size 10 with millions in the bank and a wicked metabolism? pretty please

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a few people have chosen to complain about bad stuff to god I thought I'd pry.

Obviously I could be completely wrong... lol it's been known to happen

but there's some thoughts for ya anyway

I agree with the completely wrong bit,

Cancer is a scientifically proven medical problem, anytime spent applying that to imaginary magic man is time completely wasted

The mention of cancer denotes IF he is real and he created the entire thing in his image, why create such things as

parasites with only harmful intention, Why cancer, why cancer with kids

It is not applying the cause to a god but rather asking if one existed why would it who created everything allow such things to happen, arguing that by saying this we are scared to accept any form of conscious blame so therefore refuse to accept a god is quite frankly preposterous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you don't punish people and always forgive,Why have you made my club Newcastle utter shite for as long as I can remember?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You might want to look down as it's pretty fucked up down there!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To magic man

"why give me this rather comformatably sized gentleman weapon but not the confidence or skill with the ladies to be able to fully utilise it"

Haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Vanish cancer...war...evil

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd ask him to create an immoveable rock, then watch him disappear up his own fundament.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"You might want to look down as it's pretty fucked up down there!"

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?

Think that's the Human race did that !

But who is responsible for creating the human race. Also lots of nature is pretty screwed up without our intervention.

And IF you believed in that concept teachings show that mankind was given freedom of choice."

Freedom of choice is one thing but an omniscient creator knows everything you will chose to do start to finish for everyone.

So he's just as responsible for the result of his creation as the guy who drops a bowling ball of the tenth floor onto someone's head.

He knew what would happen before he did it, so you wouldn't blame gravity, but your choices are as certain as gravity to an all knowing being.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a few people have chosen to complain about bad stuff to god I thought I'd pry.

Obviously I could be completely wrong... lol it's been known to happen

but there's some thoughts for ya anyway

I agree with the completely wrong bit,

Cancer is a scientifically proven medical problem, anytime spent applying that to imaginary magic man is time completely wasted

The mention of cancer denotes IF he is real and he created the entire thing in his image, why create such things as

parasites with only harmful intention, Why cancer, why cancer with kids

To be fair cancer is basically a production error might just be god is a pretty shitty designer. Or we're only the beta test version of humans and he hasn't worked out all the bugs yet :p

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"'If God had a name, what would it be?

And would you call it to His face?

If you were faced with Him in all His glory

What would you ask if you had just one question?'

Are you ashamed of the mess you made?

Think that's the Human race did that !

But who is responsible for creating the human race. Also lots of nature is pretty screwed up without our intervention.

And IF you believed in that concept teachings show that mankind was given freedom of choice.

Freedom of choice is one thing but an omniscient creator knows everything you will chose to do start to finish for everyone.

So he's just as responsible for the result of his creation as the guy who drops a bowling ball of the tenth floor onto someone's head.

He knew what would happen before he did it, so you wouldn't blame gravity, but your choices are as certain as gravity to an all knowing being."

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By *ransGuyTV/TS over a year ago

Cardiff

I wouldn't have any questions as it's all pretty obvious really.

A god creates a world and all the creatures on it.

This god has a choice:

Take control of what goes on in this world

Sit back and see what happens.

Would a god who lives forever really choose to take control? Choose to play doll's house, knowing exactly what will happen, where and why, forever. Sounds pretty boring to me, and, considering the number of humans there are on this world (let alone the total number of creatures) pretty impossible too.

So, why not sit back and see what happens? Watch species rise and fall. See how they advance, how they deal with the problems they face. See how intelligent they can be and also how stupid. Everyday something new, something different, many lives to watch, get bored with one then move on to the next.

I could ask why god didn't step in and stop things like cancer or wars but I know what the answer would be - you either take full control or none. Why is one person's life more important than the other? Why halt the potential advancement of a species to save a few? Why allow everyone to live like the dull sheep in the fields when they could be so much more when their life challenges them to live?

There is no point asking god "Why? " because all you'll get back are questions which will all boil down to how would you make countless choices for all your creations, at the same time, and know that they were the right choices for everyone who may or may not be affected by the choice you make? When you could sit back and watch as your creations make their own choices and build a world that could turn out amazing or disastrous, either way more interesting than playing with dolls

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I wouldn't have any questions as it's all pretty obvious really.

A god creates a world and all the creatures on it.

This god has a choice:

Take control of what goes on in this world

Sit back and see what happens.

I tend to agree with you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it"

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though"

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI"

Pompous, opinionated prick with a personal fortune of £20m - that's evil in my book - give half of it away to charity and I may be more inclined to agree with him. I do not pretend to be wise enough to offer a judgement on whether God exist or not - BUT - if he does, then so must Satan - and the blame for suffering, disasters, disease etc. would surely lay at his door? It's a pretty even battle between good and evil out there - always has been - it's just to be hoped that good does prevail in the end. My previous reference to the 'gay' _iew was, by the way, simply an expression that gay people often cannot believe in God - for pretty obvious reason judging by the book!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

I personally think his argument was excellent and don't doubt for a second that he doesn't devote a lot of his time, energy and resources to charitable causes, because he does.

Personally I prefer this video where he destroys the notion that the Catholic church is a force for good...

https://youtu.be/I6sz8D411kE

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

I personally think his argument was excellent and don't doubt for a second that he doesn't devote a lot of his time, energy and resources to charitable causes, because he does.

Personally I prefer this video where he destroys the notion that the Catholic church is a force for good...

https://youtu.be/I6sz8D411kE"

well - you are entitled to your opinion. Just don't know why they don't have someone capable inter_iewing him - he's such a smart arse he always thinks he has answers to everything - why didn't the inter_iewer put the Satan point to him i.e. is Satan responsible for evil and suffering?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

I personally think his argument was excellent and don't doubt for a second that he doesn't devote a lot of his time, energy and resources to charitable causes, because he does.

Personally I prefer this video where he destroys the notion that the Catholic church is a force for good...

https://youtu.be/I6sz8D411kE

That's the fault of the inter_iewer not the inter_iewee...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

Stick to the facts of the points raised, trying to discredit the person making them is not an effective defense

As for the good v evil argument, are you saying that the parasite which cause such harm are not the work of a god but a devil instead

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What kind of sick bastard are you to create a world where 14 month old kids die of cancer?"

If there is a god? Can there not be a devil as well?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

Why would the blame for evil lie at the feet of Satan a being created by god with the full for knowledge, and so explicit aproval , of all his actions?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

I personally think his argument was excellent and don't doubt for a second that he doesn't devote a lot of his time, energy and resources to charitable causes, because he does.

Personally I prefer this video where he destroys the notion that the Catholic church is a force for good...

https://youtu.be/I6sz8D411kE

Because Satan is a creation of God.

God created him knowing exactly what Satan would do, he could have simply not made him or made him differently.

Given that God did make him though we can extrapolate that all of Satan's actions are gods will, hence god is liable for all his actions.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Check out Stephen Fry's answer to this very question. Best response I've seen.

Basically it's along the lines of " you suck bugger how very dare you create such despicable things in your name. How dare you!" His answer is of course much longer and more eloquent

I love that inter_iew. He nails it

Really ? I`ll go and read it - although I suspect, as with many things in this day and age, it's inclined towards the _iew of Gay people - will reserve judgement until I`ve read it though

Here's the video...

https://youtu.be/2-d4otHE-YI

I personally think his argument was excellent and don't doubt for a second that he doesn't devote a lot of his time, energy and resources to charitable causes, because he does.

Personally I prefer this video where he destroys the notion that the Catholic church is a force for good...

https://youtu.be/I6sz8D411kE

Because Satan is a creation of God.

God created him knowing exactly what Satan would do, he could have simply not made him or made him differently.

Given that God did make him though we can extrapolate that all of Satan's actions are gods will, hence god is liable for all his actions.

Saved me much typing xx

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"[Removed by poster at 21/09/15 19:54:53]"

wheres the exit?..i want out of here...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmm actually I've come up with a counter argument to my own point here.

So we have free will but god knows everything we'll do before we're created now this implies that he's responsible for our actions as he knew what he was doing, to him our actions are as certain as the effects of gravity.

Now this means your free will would be meaningless as let's say gods making little Dave, he sees at 30 Dave will blow up a school, so he changes the design a little bit now at 30 Dave instead do blowing up the school builds a hospital for children.

Yay evil defeated but now arguably Dave is nothing more than a puppet yes he chooses all his actions freely but his choice of actions determined whether he would exist before he made them so they aren't really choices anymore.

So does this mean to preserve the integrity of free will god must not alter or prevent his own creation when he makes things based on his knowledge of what they will do all must be created and alowed to proceed as they would good or evil to give them meaning.

Now this though does assume god has to take a moment to think of the actions of his creation and that God's own fore knowledge doesn't extend to himself otherwise if God knows everything including everything he himself will do then he's no different to Dr Manhattan from the watchmen, he's not free he's merely the puppet that can see the strings

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"Hmm actually I've come up with a counter argument to my own point here.

look up masonic hidden words and spell-ings..highest level you get taught that God was originally goo..the word for everything that is was or would be, it was changed to god...to keep hidden knowledge, visible but out of reach to the 'commoner'

sounds have power..and adding the d..was to do with formulating the creation of the D-evil...you should research this stuff..you might, find it very interesting of how society and the 'elite' have cornered and harvested people power through spell-ings..xx

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

You should all listen to this fellah, he's got some interesting _iews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-sZag4LUNw

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmm actually I've come up with a counter argument to my own point here.

Sorry but just no....

I'm an empirical man at heart show measurements or else it's just a pretty story.

Also who do you mean by god?

Do you mean the abrihamic god cause he wasn't originally called goo or god he was called jehova.

English wasn't around at the start.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not IF but DOES

GOD exist? Well yes because believers and those that don't ask this question, every human at some stage in there life time as this question. So GOD comes into existence in every man and woman through this question.

I BELIEVE IN GOD, we will all have the answer eventually

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"It's not IF but DOES

I BELIEVE IN GOD, we will all have the answer eventually

Seems incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

why wotsits so soo moreish

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

There is an expression round here that may apply in this case;

'Not the full ticket'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer."
.

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

Yes and little green men, and Santa Claus, or the list goes on and on. Look if I'm wrong I'm not gonna know about it, if I'm right, well that's my judgement for my sins. Its what you believe in your choice.

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

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By *eegMan over a year ago

taunton

whats the point of soap operas

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer."

Delusion and fundamentalism seem to go hand-in-hand in these dark days, along with semi-illiteracy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

"
.

Hang on a minute lol

Your just hedging your bet!

Yeah I bet Gods just fucking delighted for your support!

Me I'm rocking out in hell with Jim Morrison for eternity!

In fact no, no I'm not, you've got me at it now... Thinking that dear old Jim is alive somewhere... He's fucking dead... Dead dead dead. Like the parrot, he's an ex singer, he's sung his last Ballard, he's departed and is six feet under in Paris!

Unless you're reading this from the conspiracy theory website, in which case we all know he was abducted by aliens

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?"

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself"

Oh sorry, you're a Doctor, who fan yourself.

Thought you were a halfwitted religious nut. My mistake.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

Hang on a minute lol

Your just hedging your bet!

Yeah I bet Gods just fucking delighted for your support!

Me I'm rocking out in hell with Jim Morrison for eternity!

Unless you're reading this from the conspiracy theory website, in which case we all know he was abducted by aliens

Who gives a shit LMAO, I think he be ok whatever situation he in .

He's either

feeling high from god,

getting high with satan,

or the aliens are getting high from injecting the guys blood into themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself

Oh sorry, you're a Doctor, who fan yourself.

Thought you were a halfwitted religious nut. My mistake."

No I don't go to church so I'm not religious, but please don't discriminate me because I have a little bit of faith.

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By *lashheartMan over a year ago

shrewsbury

You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

What if you picked the wrong god?

Also you don't get a free pass for sinning by saying "oh but I tried" it's a continual ongoing act you're doing here that's easily preventable and easily resisted.

If you think it's a sin why do it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"God" didn't make man, man made "God".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him "

Erm, astrology kind of goes a long way to disproving it

In fact there is a wealth of information out there that contradicts the religious belief,

The brilliance of religion is its against religion to look at any disproving information

You can't pertain to fully understand something until you have fully evaluated all available information for and against

If you have and you still chose religion, then wow respect your choice but I'am truly dumbfounded by it

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

""What! your real, really, explain this arc then, we must have got it wrong, 2 of every animal in one arc we heard, what actually happened then,

You start on the arc and I'll make a list of some of the ridiculous things I need you to explain,""

You have got it wrong the bible does not say 2 of every animal.

That like a lot of the claims in this thread is a distortion of what the bible says.

In addition the bible was not written by God but by various men many years (in some cases hundreds of years) after the death of Christ.

There was much more written then abandonded by the church centuries later.

Do not confuse the bible with the word of God

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By *lashheartMan over a year ago

shrewsbury

"You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him

Erm, astrology kind of goes a long way to disproving it

In fact there is a wealth of information out there that contradicts the religious belief,

The brilliance of religion is its against religion to look at any disproving information

You can't pertain to fully understand something until you have fully evaluated all available information for and against

If you have and you still chose religion, then wow respect your choice but I'am truly dumbfounded by it"

I am in fact an atheist, my point is it's impossible in my opinion to prove a "god" doesn't exist. I was being a smart arse..

Your points saying "kind of goes a long way" and "contradicts" are not definite so prove my point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""What! your real, really, explain this arc then, we must have got it wrong, 2 of every animal in one arc we heard, what actually happened then,

You start on the arc and I'll make a list of some of the ridiculous things I need you to explain,"

You have got it wrong the bible does not say 2 of every animal.

That like a lot of the claims in this thread is a distortion of what the bible says.

In addition the bible was not written by God but by various men many years (in some cases hundreds of years) after the death of Christ.

There was much more written then abandonded by the church centuries later.

Do not confuse the bible with the word of God"

It's 7 of each animal except the unclean (cloven hoof)..

It's been a while since I read the bible, I prefer Marvel comics if I'm honest...

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

“I’ve met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, “Why?”

Why did I cause so much pain?

Didn’t I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness?

Can’t I see how we’re all manifestations of love?

I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God’s got this all wrong.

We are not special.

We are not crap or trash, either.

We just are.

We just are, and what happens just happens.

And God says, “No, that’s not right.”

Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can’t teach God anything.”

~ Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club

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By *lashheartMan over a year ago

shrewsbury

Have you read "choke"?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Have you read "choke"? "

Nope. Should I?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""What! your real, really, explain this arc then, we must have got it wrong, 2 of every animal in one arc we heard, what actually happened then,

You start on the arc and I'll make a list of some of the ridiculous things I need you to explain,"

You have got it wrong the bible does not say 2 of every animal.

That like a lot of the claims in this thread is a distortion of what the bible says.

In addition the bible was not written by God but by various men many years (in some cases hundreds of years) after the death of Christ.

There was much more written then abandonded by the church centuries later.

Do not confuse the bible with the word of God"

That would be book one, with its not for kids approach then

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By *lashheartMan over a year ago

shrewsbury

"Have you read "choke"?

Nope. Should I?"

Not as good as fight club. Interesting in that it's about a sexaholic

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Have you read "choke"?

Nope. Should I?

Not as good as fight club. Interesting in that it's about a sexaholic

What'choo tryin' ta say thar?

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By *lashheartMan over a year ago

shrewsbury

"Have you read "choke"?

Nope. Should I?

Not as good as fight club. Interesting in that it's about a sexaholic

What'choo tryin' ta say thar?"

Nuthin ..

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Have you read "choke"?

Nope. Should I?

Not as good as fight club. Interesting in that it's about a sexaholic

What'choo tryin' ta say thar?

Nuthin ..

Those that can, do...

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"As a few people have chosen to complain about bad stuff to god I thought I'd pry.

Obviously I could be completely wrong... lol it's been known to happen

but there's some thoughts for ya anyway

I agree with the completely wrong bit,

Cancer is a scientifically proven medical problem, anytime spent applying that to imaginary magic man is time completely wasted

The mention of cancer denotes IF he is real and he created the entire thing in his image, why create such things as

parasites with only harmful intention, Why cancer, why cancer with kids

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would smile at him so nicely, walk up to him, lean in and put my mouth close to his ear and whisper . . .

. . . . what happend on Earth stays on Earth. . . right???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

God is evidently a woman.

Otherwise, why would she allow such terrible inequalities in the world such as charging single men more for entry into swinging clubs.

Why, God, why?

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By *incs2someCouple over a year ago

cleethorpes

you are being tongue in cheek I presume?concentrate on the good things?there is no god but if there was he should take responsibility for all his creation,good and bad.if you were omnipotent why the bad at all?

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple over a year ago

near cardiff

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By *heOwlMan over a year ago

Altrincham

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

I'd want a refund

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By *usterMan over a year ago

worthing

If God existed..........

It would join Fab to add to this thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the completely wrong bit, Cancer is a scientifically proven medical problem, anytime spent applying that to imaginary magic man is time completely wasted

The mention of cancer denotes IF he is real and he created the entire thing in his image, why create such things as parasites with only harmful intention, Why cancer, why cancer with kids

Hmmm you don't seem to have adressed any aspect of my post... but then it was a bit rambling and spur of the moment stuff... probably a bit confusing really lol... nonetheless you were good enough to respond, so thanks

However, you seem to have weakened the argument somewhat. I mean... I'm quite happy to take the accusation that God created cancer... but you, and others, now seem to wish to attribute that to some other cause and seek to reprimand God only for standing by and doing nothing... which, as you can see, is a much weaker argument. I mean standing by isn't half as evil and maliscious as actually purposefully creating it and giving it to small children.

Nonetheless... that's your new argument. Well surely that's just the old time machine problem... go back in time and kill Hitler and something else worse might happen instead. Maybe if this kid over here didn't die of cancer those two kids over there would've. Does that answer the "standing by" problem of God? I'd say it does.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"arguing that by saying this we are scared to accept any form of conscious blame so therefore refuse to accept a god is quite frankly preposterous

Hmmm you don't seem to have adressed any aspect of my post..."

My bad... I can see in your last line that you did understand and attempt to address my post... or at least reject it. I fear, however, that in attempting to evade my argument you have only fatally wounded your own.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Hey

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Hey

Oh, my halo seems to have slipped a bit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i hope you have fab up here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where's the bar?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does that answer the "standing by" problem of God? I'd say it does."

Good grief no, I don't blame magic man, I don't seek retribution from it

The thread question as I read it is IF he exists and you meet him what would you say, my answer to that is above, further to that I have posted on others comments about holding him accountable

To confirm I personally don't hold him accountable he is not a real thing, he does not exist and therefore I won't waste any of my time applying any actual blame to the population control illusion

However on the hypothetical question of IF there is a magic man and he created and designed everything then maybe turning the lights on day one could have saved it from being such a mess, and why sit back. But I reiterate hypothetical, nothing is actually applied to magic man by me,

I also agree with the conclusion that if one action is stopped another will\could conspire from the new path, but this is not religion related really, and this argument does not answer the question of the parasites on the hypothetical question of IF magic man created everything

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"arguing that by saying this we are scared to accept any form of conscious blame so therefore refuse to accept a god is quite frankly preposterous

Hmmm you don't seem to have adressed any aspect of my post...

I think your post had been replied to numerous times your rambling point addressed and pretty much crushed.

You decided to chose the one post that you could twist it's reply

We mostly say

If no god exists then we are comfortable with bad stuff happening as we can understand it's evolved pathways . With this perspective the beauty in the world can be appreciated

If a creator existed we ignore all that the human mind may want to refer to as good as the deliberate creation of paracites is the significant point (it matters not how pious a priest may pretend if he is raping small boys)

The logic is simple and clear

Any creator concept that you may hope exists and thank for your lovely life is indeed the metaphoric preacher

IF it existed your lovely life and the pleasure you derive is at the expense of unmentionable horrific events , specifically designed by the creator concept

I'm not intelligent nor the most good but I think I can reason that choosing between no life and life where some have pleasure and some are tortured for no fault of their own, is wrong

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

This

If you don't want to believe don't, if you do, do.

Why do you have to keep arguing about it. Shows a serious lack of tolerance IMHO.

If you really want to argue about things no one actually knows the answers to why not try this one.

If angels exist how many can dance on the head of a pin?

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

If God existed and I met him I'd ask him why he was such a cunt.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself

Oh sorry, you're a Doctor, who fan yourself.

Thought you were a halfwitted religious nut. My mistake."

Not sure which is worse, being a half-witted religious nut or a pompous, condescending know-it-all that can't accept any other truth other than the one they have decided is the only real truth.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I get judged accordingly to what I do in my life :-

Its why I was born, too be judged.

I'm not a saint

Or a evil person.

I'm just a male who is born in a world of temptation. Yes I get aroused looking at women's body, a work of art, get a piece of clay and try sculpture a pussy.

" incongruous to find god botherers on here. So when you're up to your neck in illicit fanny, rutting like a Benobo (evolution yeeaah) what does your omnipresent deity think of that do you reckon?"

This whole paragraph you said sounds like there some part of you believes in GOD.

If you don't you wouldn't question a person and there believe In GOD

51% good 49% bad 100% believer..

There's some parts of me that believes in gnomes coming to life at night and having a party with my garden tools.... I'm not proud of it though

What if you picked the wrong god?

Also you don't get a free pass for sinning by saying "oh but I tried" it's a continual ongoing act you're doing here that's easily preventable and easily resisted.

If you think it's a sin why do it?

What may or may not be a sin, for those who believe, is between them and God, not you.

Also the whole point about the Christian God is that he exists to save sinners not to condemn them.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him

Erm, astrology kind of goes a long way to disproving it

In fact there is a wealth of information out there that contradicts the religious belief,

The brilliance of religion is its against religion to look at any disproving information

You can't pertain to fully understand something until you have fully evaluated all available information for and against

If you have and you still chose religion, then wow respect your choice but I'am truly dumbfounded by it"

You clearly have not done much investigation in religion to come out with a statement like that. Most religions actually encourage exploration to find the truth, not discourage.

Even back in medieval times Thomas Aquinas wrote that when religion chooses to oppose know scientific fact it achieves nothing but it's own self ridicule.

There is nothing in science that either proves is disproves the existence of God, a god or even gods. You're seriously deluding yourself if you think there is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him

Erm, astrology kind of goes a long way to disproving it

In fact there is a wealth of information out there that contradicts the religious belief,

The brilliance of religion is its against religion to look at any disproving information

You can't pertain to fully understand something until you have fully evaluated all available information for and against

If you have and you still chose religion, then wow respect your choice but I'am truly dumbfounded by it

You clearly have not done much investigation in religion to come out with a statement like that. Most religions actually encourage exploration to find the truth, not discourage.

Even back in medieval times Thomas Aquinas wrote that when religion chooses to oppose know scientific fact it achieves nothing but it's own self ridicule.

There is nothing in science that either proves is disproves the existence of God, a god or even gods. You're seriously deluding yourself if you think there is."

What does sacrilegious mean?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think your post had been replied to numerous times your rambling point addressed and pretty much crushed.

You decided to chose the one post that you could twist it's reply"

None of the other, God created bad things posts, engaged with or quoted my post so I did not deliberately chose this post... I replied to it because it was the only one.

"We mostly say

If no god exists then we are comfortable with bad stuff happening as we can understand it's evolved pathways . With this perspective the beauty in the world can be appreciated

The logic is simple and clear

Any creator concept that you may hope exists and thank for your lovely life is indeed the metaphoric preacher

IF it existed your lovely life and the pleasure you derive is at the expense of unmentionable horrific events , specifically designed by the creator concept

I'm not intelligent nor the most good but I think I can reason that choosing between no life and life where some have pleasure and some are tortured for no fault of their own, is wrong"

There you emphasise "for no fault of their own"... pretty much confirming my post. Its not that these things exist that's the problem. It's the idea that a scheming deity is deliberately cursing innocent people for some reason that you guys seem to have a problem with. Its not a problem that cancer exists or that other bad things happen... its not even a problem that it happens randomly to both bad and good people... its a problem to assert that good or innocent people somehow deserved it. This is exactly the point I ended up stating in my post and I can't see yet why this isn't the main brunt of this problem.

Nature creates cancer... not a problem

Good and bad people get cancer...not a problem

Good people get cancer...again not really a problem

Good people deserved to get cancer "for no fault of their own"... bingo... there's the problem

Beyond this.. I don't really get your logic... you seem to be asserting that IF a god exists my own existence only came about because this god made some bad things happen... so I've selfishly traded my existence for a bunch of horrible things happening to other nice innocent people... that's just weird lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"You can't prove a God doesn't exist unless you've met him and killed him

Erm, astrology kind of goes a long way to disproving it

In fact there is a wealth of information out there that contradicts the religious belief,

The brilliance of religion is its against religion to look at any disproving information

You can't pertain to fully understand something until you have fully evaluated all available information for and against

If you have and you still chose religion, then wow respect your choice but I'am truly dumbfounded by it

You clearly have not done much investigation in religion to come out with a statement like that. Most religions actually encourage exploration to find the truth, not discourage.

Even back in medieval times Thomas Aquinas wrote that when religion chooses to oppose know scientific fact it achieves nothing but it's own self ridicule.

There is nothing in science that either proves is disproves the existence of God, a god or even gods. You're seriously deluding yourself if you think there is.

What does sacrilegious mean?

sacrilegious pertains to the act of commuting sacrilege.

Where does that get us?

I think what you probably want is the definition of sacrilege.

Sacrilege comes from the Latin and literally means 'to steel or take something sacred'

It has also come to mean the treating of something sacred with disrespect.

What's your point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's your point?"

You state that religion encourages non religious information and opposing information

My experience is any of these are seen as sacrilegious and deemed wrong with such information ignored or denied access where possible

I think this relates to the term indoctrination,

I'am not arguing the case that religion encourages freedom of information pal, from my experience it doesn't, if you feel it does cool, we shall agree to disagree,

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I think your post had been replied to numerous times your rambling point addressed and pretty much crushed.

You decided to chose the one post that you could twist it's reply

None of the other, God created bad things posts, engaged with or quoted my post so I did not deliberately chose this post... I replied to it because it was the only one.

We mostly say

If no god exists then we are comfortable with bad stuff happening as we can understand it's evolved pathways . With this perspective the beauty in the world can be appreciated

The logic is simple and clear

Any creator concept that you may hope exists and thank for your lovely life is indeed the metaphoric preacher

IF it existed your lovely life and the pleasure you derive is at the expense of unmentionable horrific events , specifically designed by the creator concept

I'm not intelligent nor the most good but I think I can reason that choosing between no life and life where some have pleasure and some are tortured for no fault of their own, is wrong

Nature creates cancer... not a problem

Good and bad people get cancer...not a problem

Good people get cancer...again not really a problem

Good people deserved to get cancer "for no fault of their own"... bingo... there's the problem

Beyond this.. I don't really get your logic... seem to be asserting that IF a god exists my own existence only came about because this god made some bad things happen... so I've selfishly traded my existence for a bunch of horrible things happening to other nice innocent people... that's just weird lol"

I emphasised the word IF actually and not the phrase you suggest

Which then leads to the logic

If creator exists it would be directly responsible for everything we experience

You dishonestly suggest we "have a problem" with a cruel creator ? Actually no we have no problem with that as a concept or theory , there is supporting data and good logic that IF creator did exist it would be as humans define EVIL or deliberate orchestrator of nasty stuff

To my reasoning this cannot be the problem for any of us who have zero data to reason a creator is in existence

However it does seem to cause a problem for all those who for reasons beyond my understanding. Have formulated their visions of reality around a concept of a creator being a force for good ?

I respect your right to believe in a creator but surely I have the right to hilight the logic that illustrates the creator would need to be sadistic

You say

" seem to be asserting that IF a god exists my own existence only came about because this god made some bad things happen... so I've selfishly traded my existence for a bunch of horrible things happening to other nice innocent people... that's just weird lol"

Too right it's weird but not my assertion , in fact you summed it up well. It's weird that some humans yourself included who have the belief.. totally ignore one of the few facts (IF creator exists it IS sadistic)

In fact you all ignore the fact so much it is felt the creature you feel exists can be thanked

However I'm not saying you have traded anything

It is an often used argument that IF a creator existed, in order for humans to be as free as they are the orchestrator was unable to prevent unspeakable pain from occuring (we may use the word needless for emphasis but could be omitted as here as no deliberate torture is ever justified )

The points are, that for every conceivable definition of the word good , designing sacrificial creatures even with the aim to enable some creatures to experience pleasure the word good could not be used only the word sadistic

I don't know IF a creator exists , I hope not but IF it did it logically and evidently is not one to be thanked , and IF a person does openly declare thanks to their belief concept they should accept the fact that the nice stuff they are thanking for would have to come at the orchestrated malevolent expense of a sadistic sentience and that belief is certainly not my problem lol

I don't say god is evil , there is no unified definition for god

I say the creator concepts that are believed in, using faultless logic must all include the words malevolent and sadistic and thanking these concepts is indeed weird

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To direct me to the swingers area

There's gotta be one In heaven..

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself

Oh sorry, you're a Doctor, who fan yourself.

Thought you were a halfwitted religious nut. My mistake.

Not sure which is worse, being a half-witted religious nut or a pompous, condescending know-it-all that can't accept any other truth other than the one they have decided is the only real truth."

Ha, you bible-bashers have got the monopoly on condescension and pomposity which often extends to bigotry, misogyny and every other relevant y.

We atheists tend not to kill or mutilate for the sake of our non beliefs. We don't suggest that millions die for the sake of a few microns of latex.

And we don't need excuses, fairy stories or archaic language to be good....we know what is right and wrong and answer to our own conscience, not muttering to some faceless eunuch in a partitioned box.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can you show me what the remaining episodes of FIREFLY where meant to be?

Wikipedia I had glance too see what its about, I don't watch the show I'm a doctor who fan myself

Oh sorry, you're a Doctor, who fan yourself.

Thought you were a halfwitted religious nut. My mistake.

Not sure which is worse, being a half-witted religious nut or a pompous, condescending know-it-all that can't accept any other truth other than the one they have decided is the only real truth.

Ha, you bible-bashers have got the monopoly on condescension and pomposity which often extends to bigotry, misogyny and every other relevant y.

We atheists tend not to kill or mutilate for the sake of our non beliefs. We don't suggest that millions die for the sake of a few microns of latex.

nailed it

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

What does she moan when she cum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is there so much suffering in the world.. Why are we still paying the price for a man who ate a apple from the wrong tree ?

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

"Why is there so much suffering in the world.. Why are we still paying the price for a man who ate a apple from the wrong tree ?"

It's really because of a cheating sneaky woman! Incidentally it never says, in the bible, that it was an apple. Personally I believe it was a pomegranate; tastes like the devil's fruit to me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the first that you would ask God when you die, assuming he exists?"

It would depend on which god it was. If it was a Hindu god, I'd ask for a ride on the elephant. If it was the Islamic god I'd ask if the virgins were at least well-trained. If it was the Jewish god, I'd ask how much it was to get into heaven.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You dishonestly suggest we "have a problem" with a cruel creator ? Actually no we have no problem with that as a concept or theory , there is supporting data and good logic that IF creator did exist it would be as humans define EVIL or deliberate orchestrator of nasty stuff"

Not so. The full argument is... "IF a god existed it would be evil and I prefer not to believe in something like this"... this shows that those who argue in this way do have a problem with an evil god. They dislike it as a concept so prefer not to entertain it. As you say at the end of your response... You don't know if a god really exists but you'd prefer not to think it does as the idea frightens you... you are essentially superstitious about the idea and would rather comfort yourself with the wishful thinking that it doesn't exist.

"To my reasoning this cannot be the problem for any of us who have zero data to reason a creator is in existence"

By switching to the "no evidence" argument you imply that the problem of evil is really secondary, in fact it can probably be ignored. The main problem with Theism is the lack of evidence for a god. I had assumed the same myself... but the problem of evil, as you can see on this thread, tends to turn up more often than the "no evidence" argument.

"However it does seem to cause a problem for all those who for reasons beyond my understanding. Have formulated their visions of reality around a concept of a creator being a force for good ?

I respect your right to believe in a creator but surely I have the right to hilight the logic that illustrates the creator would need to be sadistic

You say

In fact you all ignore the fact so much it is felt the creature you feel exists can be thanked"

I appreciate your argument here and of course you have the right to hilight whatever logic you want... but this particular argument is very much based on a set of emotional value judgements and cannot be logically demonstrated. As such, it seems that you have a pessimistic outlook whilst I have an optimistic one. As neither can be shown right and the other wrong, it seems that its a question of chosing which you'd rather focus on... the good or the bad?

"The points are, that for every conceivable definition of the word good , designing sacrificial creatures even with the aim to enable some creatures to experience pleasure the word good could not be used only the word sadistic

I don't say god is evil , there is no unified definition for god

I say the creator concepts that are believed in, using faultless logic must all include the words malevolent and sadistic and thanking these concepts is indeed weird"

I'd hardly attribute your argument with "faultless logic". I would describe it as more of an emotional appeal. We can always amplify the bad stuff and seek to denigrate something in that way. Such arguments are little different from suggesting all knives be banned because they are murderous weapons. We extrapolate and emotionally exaggerate a certain point of _iew, throw a few cute puppies getting chopped up to seal the deal, and who cares about logic... everyone gets nicely shepharded down whichever avenue we want them to go down. It's classic propaganda tactics really when you think about it.

Thanks for answering though.. and sorry if my reply annoys you... I'm just enjoying dissecting ideas and getting down to the root of things. I think this thread has ended up being a quite intriguing probing of the problem of evil... at least from my perspective. I know you think god is just a concept that people chose to believe in... but that's on the other side of the bridge from me. I can't even begin to think about the issue from that perspective as I'd need to be an atheist to do so. However, I am happy to ask questions and see what people on your side of the bridge say about stuff. By treating god as something that exists I am not attempting to put words in your mouth... I am merely phrasing the debate in my own terms... as you are in yours. Thanks

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

can we light the fire as im sooo cold

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Do you get bored?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We atheists tend not to kill or mutilate for the sake of our non beliefs. We don't suggest that millions die for the sake of a few microns of latex."

Stalin? Mao?

The two biggest killers in history?

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