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"Syria is not the only country where there is conflict.. and conflict is also not the only reason people choose to flee their homeland.." Exactly! Also the whole point of registering to migrants is to determine their refugee status. If they pass they are granted refugee status, if they fail, then they get deported back to whete they came from. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something?" Everyone has a mobile phone these days. If your family and friends were spread across Europe as migrants, refugees in Lebanon, Turkey, and Jordan, and the rest of them were internally displaced people (IDPs) still inside Syria, how would you communicate with them? | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? Everyone has a mobile phone these days. If your family and friends were spread across Europe as migrants, refugees in Lebanon, Turkey, and Jordan, and the rest of them were internally displaced people (IDPs) still inside Syria, how would you communicate with them? " That's a good point and yes you are right there as they are walking a long way so need some communication with their families so they know they are ok and where they are. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something?" If you had £5000 in savings but due to conflict you have no way of earning and eating into your savings. You are also concerned about the safety of your family. Would you spend that money trying to get your family to a Country where you would be able to rebuild your lives? Not only poor people are allowed to escape conflict. Having a mobile phone and being well dressed is no reason to refuse refuge. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something?" But are their phone contracts valid in Hungary? ] | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something?" Why not? You don't have to be destitute to be running away from something. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? If you had £5000 in savings but due to conflict you have no way of earning and eating into your savings. You are also concerned about the safety of your family. Would you spend that money trying to get your family to a Country where you would be able to rebuild your lives? Not only poor people are allowed to escape conflict. Having a mobile phone and being well dressed is no reason to refuse refuge." That's right. I would spend it and go to another country that is safe, with the family too. | |||
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"On the news today they said 4 out of 5 are not syrian migrants, so are them not from syaria chancers to get into Europe and are they afghans or who would they be? Whats your thoughts?" You sound like my father'-in-law', an I've already had one argument with him on the topic today. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? Why not? You don't have to be destitute to be running away from something." That's right and they could if they want to as well. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? If you had £5000 in savings but due to conflict you have no way of earning and eating into your savings. You are also concerned about the safety of your family. Would you spend that money trying to get your family to a Country where you would be able to rebuild your lives? Not only poor people are allowed to escape conflict. Having a mobile phone and being well dressed is no reason to refuse refuge.That's right. I would spend it and go to another country that is safe, with the family too." 0.5c a round. thats a lot of ammo  | |||
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"On the news today they said 4 out of 5 are not syrian migrants, so are them not from syaria chancers to get into Europe and are they afghans or who would they be? Whats your thoughts? You sound like my father'-in-law', an I've already had one argument with him on the topic today." Yes, its an interesting subject. | |||
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"On the news today they said 4 out of 5 are not syrian migrants, so are them not from syaria chancers to get into Europe and are they afghans or who would they be? Whats your thoughts?" I don’t really care where they're coming from. They are leaving decimated places that already had very little, with everything they own on their backs. Its a UN problem. We all need to proportionately share the burden and do more to stop them wanting to leave in the first place.  | |||
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"how are they charging their phones went thru my mind "they sleep in a five star hotel every night with bear grylls. faaaaaake! | |||
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" supports people leaving their country in its time of need
"What a country that has allowed itself to be ravaged by war, corruption or greed? Should the women and children be fighting for a country that doesn't care about them? | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something?" They aren't poor hobos... They were people trying to lead normal lives (they had jobs, money, food, a home, MOBILE PHONES!!!) but their homes were destroyed and they were living in fear of a brutal death... So they flee. Don't confuse having a mobile phone with not needing help. | |||
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" supports people leaving their country in its time of need
What a country that has allowed itself to be ravaged by war, corruption or greed?
Should the women and children be fighting for a country that doesn't care about them? "there the fuckwits who fucked it up. four million of them. the women should be fighting not locked in the kitchen yes. perhaps another site that condones sexism ismore for you. | |||
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" supports people leaving their country in its time of need
What a country that has allowed itself to be ravaged by war, corruption or greed?
Should the women and children be fighting for a country that doesn't care about them?
there the fuckwits who fucked it up. four million of them.
the women should be fighting not locked in the kitchen yes.
perhaps another site that condones sexism ismore for you. "Who the fuck said they should be locked in a kitchen? Sorry, the 4 million women fucked what up?? | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc." The economic migrants stampeding all over Europe will not be allowed into Britain. Cameron already said we are taking 20,000 Syrian asylum seekers directly from the refugee camps in the neighbouring countries to Syria. These 20,000 will be spread over the next 5 years. We will continue to supply funding to help the refugee camps. Cameron has got it right in the way he is going about it now when you look at the chaos the German approach to it has created in Hungary, Croatia and Serbia and other surrounding countries. Hopefully we are seeing the beginning of the end for the EU. Free movement of people, yeah nice idea in principle but facing it's first serious test it has crumbled and had all its faults exposed. Now we have Hungary, Croatia and Germany putting back up border controls. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc." Totally agree] | |||
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"In th middle of the North Atlantic??? Where are we going to put everone?? Fuck off. How about in the homes of all those lazy white lightening and fag raddled cunts on benefits all their lives with 6 fucking kids who think the world owes them a living." Jeremy Corbyn also thinks the working taxpayer owes them a living, he wants to abolish the welfare cap. Unlimited benefits for all under Corbyn rule.  | |||
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"In th middle of the North Atlantic??? Where are we going to put everone?? Fuck off. How about in the homes of all those lazy white lightening and fag raddled cunts on benefits all their lives with 6 fucking kids who think the world owes them a living." Terrbly dismissive of you | |||
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"In th middle of the North Atlantic??? Where are we going to put everone?? Fuck off. How about in the homes of all those lazy white lightening and fag raddled cunts on benefits all their lives with 6 fucking kids who think the world owes them a living. Jeremy Corbyn also thinks the working taxpayer owes them a living, he wants to abolish the welfare cap. Unlimited benefits for all under Corbyn rule. "I didn't vote for Corbyn. He's a bigger cunt than cameron IMO he's a dreamer. Trying to fight the establishment. The Naive lefty ponce.  | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc." Dear BBC As we have more empty properties in britain (some of which are owned by non tax paying offshore company executives) than homeless people, can we not find somewhere to put a few thousand poverty stricken refugees? Yours sincerely | |||
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"Camerons a spoon faced c**t. "
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. Dear BBC As we have more empty properties in britain (some of which are owned by non tax paying offshore company executives) than homeless people, can we not find somewhere to put a few thousand poverty stricken refugees? Yours sincerely " NO. House our homeless ex servicemen that the government has abandoned and are living on the streets. Exactly how are said "refugees" going to pay rent and live etc? Oh that's right, they'll give them all benefit from a system that they haven't payed a single penny into. Not our fucking problem. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc." The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? | |||
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"I don't know who did the research and assume with so many thousands of people scattered across many chaotic host countries that the real data is not available. It's probably tabloid crap Shag - be careful where you look." The figure is actually from Eurostat, the EU's official statistics agency and based on the actual number of asylum applications in the EU from April-June this year. So sorry no right wing press to blame for that one. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. Dear BBC As we have more empty properties in britain (some of which are owned by non tax paying offshore company executives) than homeless people, can we not find somewhere to put a few thousand poverty stricken refugees? Yours sincerely NO. House our homeless ex servicemen that the government has abandoned and are living on the streets. Exactly how are said "refugees" going to pay rent and live etc? Oh that's right, they'll give them all benefit from a system that they haven't payed a single penny into. Not our fucking problem. " I significant proportion of British people claiming benefits haven't paid into the system either! Plus someone resourceful enough to make the journey will not be on benefits for very long. | |||
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" NO. House our homeless ex servicemen that the government has abandoned and are living on the streets. " There is no need for any ex-Service personnel to be living on the streets as organisations such as SSAFA and the Legion will help to house them, with the support of the Army Benevolent Fund (and all the regimental funds) the RAF Benevolent Fund and the Royal Naval Benevolent Trust. These organisations also approach civilian charities to make a contribution towards the case. For example if someone served in the Royal Logistic corps, then worked for Royal Mail, then worked for Tesco. SSAFA and the Legion would ask for a contribution towards the case from the RLC association, the ABF, The Rowland Hill Foundation (charity for mail workers) and Grocers Aid (charity for people in the grocery trade). | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? " But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? Everyone has a mobile phone these days. If your family and friends were spread across Europe as migrants, refugees in Lebanon, Turkey, and Jordan, and the rest of them were internally displaced people (IDPs) still inside Syria, how would you communicate with them? " If my country was being bombed to hell,women raped and slaughtered men beheaded on mass. I would grab family first and try to get them to safety if possible. I certainly wouldn't leave them,grab my best clothing and mobile phone and bugger off. I think alot of people have been duped by some clever propaganda on the behalf of isis and those funding the conflict. And yes before people start jumping up and down about the genuine one's. It's been well documented and reported and we are well aware of the genuine case's. Which I agree should be helped. This however is not a migration it's clearly a very cleverly constructed invasion. It's an extremely difficult and complex situation. I feel for the children and real people being used as pawns. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel." Im talking about the 20,000 announced by the government. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel." Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? | |||
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" This however is not a migration it's clearly a very cleverly constructed invasion. " Hmmm, perhaps we should have tried this tactic on D-Day then?  | |||
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"Could someone please educate me and this is a genuine question. As most of the migrants are coming from outside the eu are USA, Canada and South America offering sanctuary to any? " For Syrian refugees at least, the US have taken 1500 so far, and 10,000 next year. | |||
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"Could someone please educate me and this is a genuine question. As most of the migrants are coming from outside the eu are USA, Canada and South America offering sanctuary to any? " Yes, yes and yes. Even if they weren't, would you avoid jumping into a lake to save a drowning child because others next to you didn't? | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. Dear BBC As we have more empty properties in britain (some of which are owned by non tax paying offshore company executives) than homeless people, can we not find somewhere to put a few thousand poverty stricken refugees? Yours sincerely NO. House our homeless ex servicemen that the government has abandoned and are living on the streets. Exactly how are said "refugees" going to pay rent and live etc? Oh that's right, they'll give them all benefit from a system that they haven't payed a single penny into. Not our fucking problem. I significant proportion of British people claiming benefits haven't paid into the system either! Plus someone resourceful enough to make the journey will not be on benefits for very long." The Brits on benefits who have never paid in to the system are a sorry statistic but like it or not Britain is stuck with them. However that is no excuse or justification to allow thousands of migrants to kick the door in and demand the same. Some of the migrants will find work and some will be educated and able to take better paid jobs that will lead to them contributing to society. By picking and choosing from the camps rather than just allowing the fence kickers in Britain will be able to ensure a much higher percentage of these. The vast majority of the fence kickers and truck jumpers will either work in low paid jobs that will qualify for in work benefits, disappear into the black economy, or just sit it out on benefits. Resourceful they are and resourceful enough to be able to work any system to their own advantage. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others?" Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian  | |||
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" This however is not a migration it's clearly a very cleverly constructed invasion. Hmmm, perhaps we should have tried this tactic on D-Day then? "not the best historical reference,wasn't it the men of this country that stood up for it n did the fighting,not run off n leave women n kids behind?but then again if the same spirit was shown then for letting anyone who fancied it,walk into the country,thank fuck we used to have government that put Britains interest first! | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? Everyone has a mobile phone these days. If your family and friends were spread across Europe as migrants, refugees in Lebanon, Turkey, and Jordan, and the rest of them were internally displaced people (IDPs) still inside Syria, how would you communicate with them? " They are not running away they are being forced to leave an oppressive regime that is constantly conducting air strikes and dropping barrel bombs on markets schools and hospitals. The opposition fight is still monging against the government while IS also play their part! As for being dressed smarmy and having mobile phones, Syria five years ago was a very different place. The Syrian people are intelligent educated and of good standing it's very very sad that this five year conflict can't be resolved | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian "I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't. Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry. | |||
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"how are they charging their phones went thru my mind "I was thinking that too! | |||
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"how are they charging their phones went thru my mind
I was thinking that too!"Let's close all borders. No imports or exports. No immigration or emigration. No Syrian oil for us, no (something we export that they need, can't think of anything other than weapons - pre conflict), let's see how long we can charge our mobile phones for. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry."20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
"Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
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"Deeply unimpressed by the quality of 'debate' on here. Daily Fail reading tossers. I'm out. Good night. supports people leaving their country in its time of need
leaves when he gets beat in a forum debate
a man of his convictions at least."I have a life. I have a heart and a brain. And I have not been beaten. Quite happy to whip you round the forums for your small-minded comments but not now. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it????"So you are trying to tell me that these are the advanced guard for the families to follow? Families from where? Albania, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam? even Macedonians are joining the rush. Only 20% are from Syria. And no I wouldn't break down a fence. If I was genuinely fleeing a war zone I would be very happy to be in a safe country and if I wanted to move elsewhere I would do it through the proper channels. That is the difference between civilised law abiding people and violent thugs. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it????
So you are trying to tell me that these are the advanced guard for the families to follow? Families from where? Albania, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam? even Macedonians are joining the rush.
Only 20% are from Syria.
And no I wouldn't break down a fence. If I was genuinely fleeing a war zone I would be very happy to be in a safe country and if I wanted to move elsewhere I would do it through the proper channels. That is the difference between civilised law abiding people and violent thugs."Through proper channels... Ok let's look at that and we'll use Syrians as the example.. Until five years ago Syrians could freely travel the world with their passports... Since the conflict began it has been literally IMPOSSIBLE to renew passports to people that live in opposition held areas. I.e not Damascus. For them to use official channels is almost impossible. Syrians go to turkey and receive protected status but then are not able to travel on the documents given. In the main there is very little choice but to go via other routes. And based on the millions displaced around the Middle East and that are now heading to Europe and other countries are you saying it's only Syrians that should be entitled? I'd say the Syrian figure is much higher then 20% | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it????
So you are trying to tell me that these are the advanced guard for the families to follow? Families from where? Albania, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam? even Macedonians are joining the rush.
Only 20% are from Syria.
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"Could someone please educate me and this is a genuine question. As most of the migrants are coming from outside the eu are USA, Canada and South America offering sanctuary to any? Yes, yes and yes. Even if they weren't, would you avoid jumping into a lake to save a drowning child because others next to you didn't?" What a pointless statement I was just asking a question. | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. The figures we are talking about equate to 10 familes per local authority. Do you really think you would notice the difference if an extra 10 families lived somewhere within the same local authority area as you? We have a population in the UK of 64 933 824 (according to the website Country Meters), would you really notice an extra 20,000 ? The UK took 19,000 refugees from Vietnam, the so called "boat people". The Vietnamese population in Britain is now about 27,000. Do you feel as though we are over run by Vietamese people? But which figures are we talking about? The 20,000? or the 250,000 that the ridiculous Natalie Bennett said that Britain should take? or the open the door wide and let's see how many turn up number? Mathematical division is simple it just depends on which number you start with. If in doubt ask Angie Merkel. Just a brief glimpse at your location suggests you've benefited from the freedom to move around. Why argue for restricting it for others? Yes I have. I married a German. If you want to make it personal may I suggest you marry a Syrian
I know my own personal experience of migration has impacted on my opinions on this topic. Surprised yours haven't.
Unfortunately due to David Cameron's tightness, I am unlikely to find a Syrian in this Country to marry.
20,000 heading your way quite soon. Oh sorry they will probably be all single guys.
Why should my experience of living in Europe have anything to do with allowing hundreds of thousands (if not eventually millions) of migrants to storm through the door demanding that we give them a share of our lifestyle?
As I have posted on other threads on this subject. I am all in favour of taking genuine refugees, and taking them directly from the camps in the region seems the most sensible idea, but not allowing what amounts to a bunch of thugs kick the fences down and storm in.
Too many people have a very naive view of what is happening in Europe. Spoon fed the usual tripe from the BBC and Sky news plucking at your heart strings scouring the mob looking for the photogenic kid to show how nasty anyone is who doesn't believe in their sanitised view of the situation.
The reality is in the background. Thousands of young men travelling without their families and fully prepared to riot for what THEY want. Not safety, if they only wanted safety they already have it. They want a new life but not just in a safe country but a rich one, and they want you, me and everybody else to pay for it. That is why they refuse yes RUFUSE to register in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary. That is why they a kicking at the fences, financial gain nothing more nothing less.
It doesn't matter if you emigrated to Europe or Africa. I'm sure you didn't do it to be poorer or have a worst standard of living. It takes the piss for someone who has benefited from the freedom to move to a Country of their choosing to be so against it for others. "Er which bit of I am an EU citizen do you not understand? I am they are not. I moved legally, I didn't kick down any fences, I obeyed the law. I have no need to justify myself especially to someone who wants to get personal because as usual you know you are on thin ice with the main thrust of the debate. The thugs kicking the fences are illegal immigrants wanting to go to rich country's for financial gain and will break any law to get what they want. If that makes me heartless then so be it. | |||
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" If they want other countries to help them (which most countries will) they must first help themselves by behaving in a civilised manner rather than making demands. " Yeah its weird what hunger and desperation will do to a person but then you or anyone reading this has probably never been that hungry eh? | |||
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"Let's get the facts straight first. The people we are talking about may have been refugees but once the enter Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary etc. they stop being refugees fleeing from bombings, shootings etc. and they become migrants. Or are you saying those trying to force their way onto trains to Germany are still being bombed and shot at. Yes they may and very possibly do still feel vulnerable but that is a different problem. They are now in safe countries, even if they are not in their country of choice and must abide by the rule of law otherwise those safe countries will quickly turn into countries in strife like the ones they have left. If they want other countries to help them (which most countries will) they must first help themselves by behaving in a civilised manner rather than making demands. " Rule of law... Interesting viewpoint... I don't see the breakdown of Germany (for example) happening to the scale it has in Syria and for countries helping them it's law such as UDHR, international human rights law etc etc that provides states with a moral obligation and let's add one other pint here why shouldn't Syrians head to countries that are partners in the international coalition??? | |||
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"On the news today they said 4 out of 5 are not syrian migrants, so are them not from syaria chancers to get into Europe and are they afghans or who would they be? Whats your thoughts?" My thoughts are....... Were you a chancer ? My other thought is .. What if they ARE afghan ? What IS an afghan ? to you ....... | |||
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" If they want other countries to help them (which most countries will) they must first help themselves by behaving in a civilised manner rather than making demands. Yeah its weird what hunger and desperation will do to a person but then you or anyone reading this has probably never been that hungry eh? "Desperate for a new life in a rich country? Maybe. Hunger? Sorry no. The truly hungry would not throw away good food that has been given to them. | |||
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"Left wing propoganda, christianity call it what you want. The kid was still dead. BTW I'm an atheist and I voted conservative in the election before last. " The child's death and the circumstances surrounding it are abhorrent. So is the use of his body by the press and certain organisations. | |||
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"Don,t talk about the Catholic church being charitable ask the poor unmarried mothers who had there babies taken away at birth was still going on in the late 60,s " The sixties............... 50 years ago for anyone who thinks it might have any relevance to today. Half a century .... | |||
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"On the news today they said 4 out of 5 are not syrian migrants, so are them not from syaria chancers to get into Europe and are they afghans or who would they be? Whats your thoughts?" My thoughts are humanitarian.... What are your thoughts...?  | |||
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" Well if you're in spain or Germany its little wonder you think like that. I bet you're still sitting there in your nice comfy house though with your 2 motors outside and your kids at the school of your choice. And before you start spouting off about how you worked for it, so did most of the displaced refugees until some twat dropped a bomb on it " I'd be interested to see how many families you welcome into your cosy home too | |||
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"Don,t talk about the Catholic church being charitable ask the poor unmarried mothers who had there babies taken away at birth was still going on in the late 60,s The sixties............... 50 years ago for anyone who thinks it might have any relevance to today. That was the only child my sister had Half a century .... " | |||
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"Don,t talk about the Catholic church being charitable ask the poor unmarried mothers who had there babies taken away at birth was still going on in the late 60,s The sixties............... 50 years ago for anyone who thinks it might have any relevance to today. Half a century .... " 
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" Harping back to February when ISIS made it known that they would send their army into Europe dressed as ordinary people...... How the hell do we know this isn't true... Even women can be soldiers for a cause....as can children ...as we've witnessed in previous civil wars." If the people I've seen recently are terrorists they're fucking good actors. Fuck me, we have a megalomaniac despot running one of the most powerful countries in the world trampling all over humans and their rights, a psychopathic military leader in North korea hell bent on chemical warfare, and you're worried about a bunch of goat herders with ak47's. Jesus | |||
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"So you said in a private message to me. Im sorry to hear your sister had a child placed into safety fifty years ago. It still has no bearing on behaviour of the Catholic Church today. Was not taken into safety was stolen by a Nun " | |||
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"Has anyone here on this forum been directly affected by the refugee crisis? Has anyone here been desperate enough to flee your home country in any transport you can find crammed in with countless other people wondering if you will survive the journey? Has anyone here seen a war? I haven't! " No no and yes. Thats why I believe we all have deep enough pockets to share their burden PROPORTIONATELY. I think the point earlier about large countries with small populations taking more refugees was a valid one. | |||
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"What I don't get is, they got mobile phones, good dressed and doesn't look like they are running away from something? If you had £5000 in savings but due to conflict you have no way of earning and eating into your savings. You are also concerned about the safety of your family. Would you spend that money trying to get your family to a Country where you would be able to rebuild your lives? Not only poor people are allowed to escape conflict. Having a mobile phone and being well dressed is no reason to refuse refuge." You're absolutely right.... apart from one thing. The average salary in Syria is £40 per month. That's less than £500 per year. That takes a lot of years to amass £5,000 in savings. It's the same as us having a war and you saying "if you had £250,000 in savings..." Food inflation in Syria is 300%. So, as well as escaping conflict, there is a huge economic migration pull. | |||
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" Has anyone here seen a war? I haven't! " Yes, several. | |||
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" Well if you're in spain or Germany its little wonder you think like that. I bet you're still sitting there in your nice comfy house though with your 2 motors outside and your kids at the school of your choice. And before you start spouting off about how you worked for it, so did most of the displaced refugees until some twat dropped a bomb on it I'd be interested to see how many families you welcome into your cosy home too " Actually read the news. I live in a city that takes a higher proportion because its a hub for relocation and regeneration so technically i have as I'm willing to pay the extra tax if needed. Who said anything about taking individual family's?? The cost to you and me would be negligible if we as a country took the correct proportion of people. | |||
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" Actually read the news. I live in a city that takes a higher proportion because its a hub for relocation and regeneration so technically i have as I'm willing to pay the extra tax if needed. " How do you figure that one out? Because you happen to live somewhere that's settling refugees, that means you've done your bit and can sit in criticism of everyone else while not actually doing anything yourself? I've given to DEC's Syria appeal, so that's like being willing to pay extra tax, so basically I'm saving the world. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it????" So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. | |||
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" Well if you're in spain or Germany its little wonder you think like that. I bet you're still sitting there in your nice comfy house though with your 2 motors outside and your kids at the school of your choice. And before you start spouting off about how you worked for it, so did most of the displaced refugees until some twat dropped a bomb on it I'd be interested to see how many families you welcome into your cosy home too " You beat me to that one.
Yes the homes are comfortable. Three cars outside, mine Mrs and weekend plaything. Oh and one we leave at the house in Spain. The boat is a bit small though.
1st world problems eh
I did actually work for it but hey ho that seems to be akin to bunny boiling to some on here.
One thing for certain though. I'm not going to quietly give it up so I can sit in a comfort blanket of cyber compassion while gangs of marauding thugs try to kick my back door in.
I pay enough tax and am more than happy to let some of my tax money be spent looking after genuine refugees and would even welcome a sensible number of them to migrate. But a free for all (as many on here seem to want) will never be the answer and the consequences for future generations doesn't bear thinking about. | |||
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"It's all very well helping all these people around the world to come to Britain every time they have a crises to better their lives but Britsh people are seeing their lives reduced to a very poor standed compared to what we were used to, these countries need to sort out thier own problems and expect us to be their saviors everytime they fuck up." Who do you think are reducing your living standards then?? coz i know who it is and its not immigrants, ffs! | |||
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"Let's get the facts straight first. The people we are talking about may have been refugees but once the enter Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, and Hungary etc. they stop being refugees fleeing from bombings, shootings etc. and they become migrants. Or are you saying those trying to force their way onto trains to Germany are still being bombed and shot at. Yes they may and very possibly do still feel vulnerable but that is a different problem. They are now in safe countries, even if they are not in their country of choice and must abide by the rule of law otherwise those safe countries will quickly turn into countries in strife like the ones they have left. If they want other countries to help them (which most countries will) they must first help themselves by behaving in a civilised manner rather than making demands. Rule of law... Interesting viewpoint... I don't see the breakdown of Germany (for example) happening to the scale it has in Syria and for countries helping them it's law such as UDHR, international human rights law etc etc that provides states with a moral obligation and let's add one other pint here why shouldn't Syrians head to countries that are partners in the international coalition???" International law does alow you to treat a refuge differently I'd they cross illegally from one safe country to another (from an unsafe country to a safe one illegally is protected though and cannot be held against them) | |||
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" Well if you're in spain or Germany its little wonder you think like that. I bet you're still sitting there in your nice comfy house though with your 2 motors outside and your kids at the school of your choice. And before you start spouting off about how you worked for it, so did most of the displaced refugees until some twat dropped a bomb on it " So it's ok for you to have a go at someone else for having a comfy home etc...... I'm out | |||
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"Anyone else wondering why the 'refugees' were chanting 'GERMANY!' outside the fence in reference to the Country they are trying to get to. Its not called Germany in any middle eastern language.. so which film crew patiently choreographed and taught them the English word before rolling the cameras so it would come across better on English media? God what a mess." nothing to do with English being the generally accepted international language at all. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind." The families are safe in camps in Turkey the men push on for the dangerous journey to get a place in Germany or Sweden then they can bring their families up legal and safely to join them | |||
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"News ! It's not news for the people, it's a propaganda bullshit machine that feeds you shit every day so you can't tell the difference between lies and truth, they make you believe what they want you to believe just like all the other crap in government politics." Well that was coherent | |||
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" Harping back to February when ISIS made it known that they would send their army into Europe dressed as ordinary people...... How the hell do we know this isn't true... Even women can be soldiers for a cause....as can children ...as we've witnessed in previous civil wars. If the people I've seen recently are terrorists they're fucking good actors. Fuck me, we have a megalomaniac despot running one of the most powerful countries in the world trampling all over humans and their rights, a psychopathic military leader in North korea hell bent on chemical warfare, and you're worried about a bunch of goat herders with ak47's. Jesus "You could have called the afghans, fighting against the Soviet union in the 1980's a bunch of goat herders with ak47's. However they managed to defeat the USSR (a global superpower) back then. | |||
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"Well its not like Greece is in a good position to help them :/ But its the worlds inaction in dealing with the Syrian war, we bomb Isis because they are a terrorist threat to us and they invaded Iraq, but we do fuck all to the Assad regime, cant even be bothered to have a no fly zone so they stop bombing hospitals... " For the west to start a war with Assad, would probably mean starting a war with Russia. Putin is backing Assad and supplying him with arms and weapons. In the short term would make sense for the West and Assad/Russia to join forces and eliminate isis in Syria. Worry about Assad later. | |||
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"I spotted a bit of news film from a border (somewhere). The women and children were in an orderly queue for buses whilst the young men were hauling each other out of the way to get through the windows of a train. This will not end well." And that is exactly why I call them thugs. You are right, it wont end well, if it ever ends at all. | |||
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"Well its not like Greece is in a good position to help them :/ But its the worlds inaction in dealing with the Syrian war, we bomb Isis because they are a terrorist threat to us and they invaded Iraq, but we do fuck all to the Assad regime, cant even be bothered to have a no fly zone so they stop bombing hospitals... For the west to start a war with Assad, would probably mean starting a war with Russia. Putin is backing Assad and supplying him with arms and weapons. In the short term would make sense for the West and Assad/Russia to join forces and eliminate isis in Syria. Worry about Assad later. " very true thats what i've been thinking | |||
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" Harping back to February when ISIS made it known that they would send their army into Europe dressed as ordinary people...... How the hell do we know this isn't true... Even women can be soldiers for a cause....as can children ...as we've witnessed in previous civil wars. If the people I've seen recently are terrorists they're fucking good actors. Fuck me, we have a megalomaniac despot running one of the most powerful countries in the world trampling all over humans and their rights, a psychopathic military leader in North korea hell bent on chemical warfare, and you're worried about a bunch of goat herders with ak47's. Jesus
You could have called the afghans, fighting against the Soviet union in the 1980's a bunch of goat herders with ak47's. However they managed to defeat the USSR (a global superpower) back then."don't forget the American 'advisors' or the several hundred stinger sam's supplied by the CIA, they had far more of an impact than the AK.. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind." It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. | |||
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" If they want other countries to help them (which most countries will) they must first help themselves by behaving in a civilised manner rather than making demands. Yeah its weird what hunger and desperation will do to a person but then you or anyone reading this has probably never been that hungry eh? "You know very little about me but carry one making assumptions | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up." The statistics for those fleeing to Europe may well be different though. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. The statistics for those fleeing to Europe may well be different though. " Without a doubt the statistics are different for those fleeing to Europe, as they have been for years. That doesn't make it true that Syrian men are leaving their wives, children and family to be killed at any time in Syria. | |||
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"told u all this weeks ago ....the barstards are just economic migrants out to scrounge more from us ....send them back now Cameron show balls....even the germans now realise the shit are no good " How is the job in Diplomatic Relations going? 
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"told u all this weeks ago ....the barstards are just economic migrants out to scrounge more from us ....send them back now Cameron show balls....even the germans now realise the shit are no good " they are people and some yes will be looking for a better life but hey thats fine and commendable, but some have experienced things you and i are lucky not to have.. that does not make them 'barstards or shits' just people.. you are a disgrace to use such language.. | |||
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"told u all this weeks ago ....the barstards are just economic migrants out to scrounge more from us ....send them back now Cameron show balls....even the germans now realise the shit are no good " Whose balls would you have Cameron show? He has none of his own. | |||
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"no disgrace here....have fought in these countries and they will drop u asap if they get a chance ...males females and even children will give your positions away...these are beyond help and when I S come to Britain and cause havock u will all find out what scum these are,carry on do gooders invite the terrorists in with open borders/arms" fought in which country..? and what does that have to do with the current situation..? | |||
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"gulf/mid east and falklands the trouble with most people is they don't know what really happens when some rag head is shooting at u ....bet ya nice and happy fighting from your lounge....new idea perhaps you could take a family of migrants in your house......oh no they leave the family behind until they get benefits /house then send for the family.....what sort of mugs are we ??" middle east? if you did 'down south' in 82 and 1st gulf war in 90 when did you do the middle east and where and what was that one..? without getting into a my service medal is bigger and shinier than yours your language is still appalling.. have any of the refugee's started shooting, must have missed that one.. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up." But by the time they reach Europe the percentage has changed to 75% male. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. But by the time they reach Europe the percentage has changed to 75% male." Not forgetting 80% NON Syrian. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. But by the time they reach Europe the percentage has changed to 75% male. Not forgetting 80% NON Syrian." You have to be trying hard to be a propagandist to interpret the quarterly Eurostat figures in that way. They describe the entire population of asylum seekers across Europe not just the Syrians. What they are saying is that at the moment 21% of asylum applicants in Europe are Syrian. They aren't saying that 21% of the people you hate so much on tv are Syrian and the rest not. What they also say is 96% of Syrian applicants are getting positive asylum responses in as genuine cases. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. But by the time they reach Europe the percentage has changed to 75% male." That's roughly right and as you'll happily point out is nowhere near the 90% plus figures some people have Been going on about based on press photographs. As others have explained many times there are good reasons for the imbalance. In any case it's still a lie to say that people are leaving wives, children, families behind to die. | |||
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" Many of these young men who you believe are willing to riot at the drop of a hat are actually going ahead of their families trying to get established in a country where they can then bring their mothers wives sons daughters etc. They are desperate I see every day the first hand effects of the Syrian conflict. If you were quite literally fighting for survival not just for you but your entire family wouldn't you break down a fence to get it???? So these young men are fleeing a war torn country because they are in danger of their lives, but leaving their wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers behind? "Sit it out for 6 or 12 months... I know you're women, children, family, and you could be killed at any time.. God knows, it's scary enough for me, but let me get settled in, and then I'll get you over" If my family were in fear of their lives in the middle of a war, there's no way would I leave them behind. It is simply not true that Syrian men are leaving their women, children and other family behind to be killed. If you looked at the web site of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees you can find the split by age and gender for the 4.1 million refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Libya. You would see that there is roughly a 50/50 split between men and women across all age ranges. If Syrian men had been fleeing the country and leaving women and children behind to be 'killed at any time' you would see far higher percentages of men than women in the refugee camps. That just isn't the case. It's one of those bits of anti refugee propaganda that gets trotted out from time to time with absolutely no facts to back it up. But by the time they reach Europe the percentage has changed to 75% male. Not forgetting 80% NON Syrian. You have to be trying hard to be a propagandist to interpret the quarterly Eurostat figures in that way. They describe the entire population of asylum seekers across Europe not just the Syrians. What they are saying is that at the moment 21% of asylum applicants in Europe are Syrian. They aren't saying that 21% of the people you hate so much on tv are Syrian and the rest not. What they also say is 96% of Syrian applicants are getting positive asylum responses in as genuine cases. " So let's get this right. Eurostat, the EU's official statistics agency say that 21% of asylum applications in Europe are Syrian, meaning 79% are not. You say that it doesn't mean that 79% of refugees/migrants/asylum seekers are not Syrian
What else does it mean? Are you privy to some secret figures that the rest of us are not? Or (as is more likely) you are just trying to muddy the water because the official figures don't suit your agenda.
OK I'll be honest they do suit mine, but official figures are official figures. You love chucking the official UNHCR numbers from the camps at me or anyone else that doesn't share your opinion but suddenly a set of numbers come out that you don't like and you want to rubbish them.
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"No I just read the figures instead of quoting bigoted political correspondents selectively extracting numbers out of context. The eurostat figures refer to all refugees arriving in all European countries from all countries of origin. They do not tell you the distribution of nationalities in the stream of people from Syria. From the same eurostat report the percentage of Syrian nationals registering in Europe and accepted as having a valid claim is extraordinarily high at 96%. Try reading them." So Germany says that all genuine Syrians are welcome then surprise surprise 96% of Syrians are accepted. If there is any surprise it should be that it wasn't 100%. BTW the latest figures I have for Germany are from July, details below. 1. Syria 9,413 2 Albania 7,633 3 Serbia 2,377 4 Afghanistan 2,139 5 Iraq 2,086 6 Macedonia 1,961 7 Kosovo 1,395 8 Eritrea 1,219 9 Bosnia H 786 10 Unsettled 705 To be fair these are from before Merkel opened her mouth in August and the Bulgarian Mafia started printing and ISIS distributing Syrian passports so the new numbers could be a bit higher. I know you sympathise with the migrants but someone with real sympathy should save it for the genuine families who are suffering because of the band of marauding thugs and chancers they are stuck with with. | |||
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"No I just read the figures instead of quoting bigoted political correspondents selectively extracting numbers out of context. The eurostat figures refer to all refugees arriving in all European countries from all countries of origin. They do not tell you the distribution of nationalities in the stream of people from Syria. From the same eurostat report the percentage of Syrian nationals registering in Europe and accepted as having a valid claim is extraordinarily high at 96%. Try reading them. So Germany says that all genuine Syrians are welcome then surprise surprise 96% of Syrians are accepted. If there is any surprise it should be that it wasn't 100%. BTW the latest figures I have for Germany are from July, details below. 1. Syria 9,413 2 Albania 7,633 3 Serbia 2,377 4 Afghanistan 2,139 5 Iraq 2,086 6 Macedonia 1,961 7 Kosovo 1,395 8 Eritrea 1,219 9 Bosnia H 786 10 Unsettled 705 To be fair these are from before Merkel opened her mouth in August and the Bulgarian Mafia started printing and ISIS distributing Syrian passports so the new numbers could be a bit higher. I know you sympathise with the migrants but someone with real sympathy should save it for the genuine families who are suffering because of the band of marauding thugs and chancers they are stuck with with. " My sympathies are with the genuine families and definitely not with those using numbers as cheap propaganda to tar all refugees with the same brush. It's wrong to try to use the 21% figure in the way you have. Of course that won't stop you from enjoying corrupting the truth. Percentages of positive first decisions for other nationalities (across europe) were 84% of Eritreans 87% of Iraqis 70% of Afghanistan 4% of Albanians 2% of Kosovans 1% of Serbians. It looks to me like the authorities are working the asylum system as it was intended and accepting asylum seekers from places where they would be in genuine danger. | |||
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"No I just read the figures instead of quoting bigoted political correspondents selectively extracting numbers out of context. The eurostat figures refer to all refugees arriving in all European countries from all countries of origin. They do not tell you the distribution of nationalities in the stream of people from Syria. From the same eurostat report the percentage of Syrian nationals registering in Europe and accepted as having a valid claim is extraordinarily high at 96%. Try reading them. So Germany says that all genuine Syrians are welcome then surprise surprise 96% of Syrians are accepted. If there is any surprise it should be that it wasn't 100%. BTW the latest figures I have for Germany are from July, details below. 1. Syria 9,413 2 Albania 7,633 3 Serbia 2,377 4 Afghanistan 2,139 5 Iraq 2,086 6 Macedonia 1,961 7 Kosovo 1,395 8 Eritrea 1,219 9 Bosnia H 786 10 Unsettled 705 To be fair these are from before Merkel opened her mouth in August and the Bulgarian Mafia started printing and ISIS distributing Syrian passports so the new numbers could be a bit higher. I know you sympathise with the migrants but someone with real sympathy should save it for the genuine families who are suffering because of the band of marauding thugs and chancers they are stuck with with. My sympathies are with the genuine families and definitely not with those using numbers as cheap propaganda to tar all refugees with the same brush. It's wrong to try to use the 21% figure in the way you have. Of course that won't stop you from enjoying corrupting the truth. Percentages of positive first decisions for other nationalities (across europe) were 84% of Eritreans 87% of Iraqis 70% of Afghanistan 4% of Albanians 2% of Kosovans 1% of Serbians. It looks to me like the authorities are working the asylum system as it was intended and accepting asylum seekers from places where they would be in genuine danger. " I really don't see where accepted or not accepted has anything to do with the percentages of applicants nationalities. I would not dispute your numbers but where is the relevance? 79% of applicants were non Syrian yet the main thrust of your argument is that we should sympathise (as I actually do) with genuine Syrians. Whether or not an Albanian gets accepted doesn't mean that he wont try to jump on a bus or train. If he has access to the cash he could well try his hand with a fake Syrian passport. The mob charging across Europe are all (or will be) "applicants" none have been accepted or rejected yet. Those numbers have yet to be calculated so I think if looking at past numbers "applications" are a lot more relevant to the current situation than who eventually got accepted/rejected. | |||
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"I suppose I should be glad that at long last you are looking at the numbers instead of making things up. You're the one who quoted the number of applicants into Germany in July now you are whingeing because large proportions of applicants we're successful from areas where people are in danger. None of this changes the lie that you helped to spread about Syrian men leaving their families behind in Syria to die or be raped or mutilated. I think in your ludicrous version of the world they were coming here to join fab and desert their partners, weren't they? " Where am I whingeing? I am only trying to illustrate that the vast majority of the mob charging across Europe are NOT Syrian, and are trying to force their way into western and northern Europe for nothing more than financial gain. As I've said many times before. They are safe in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, and Italy. I've not seen any reports of ISIS blowing up the Acropolis (yet) or crucifying anyone on the banks of the Danube. As for my little story on the other thread that you love to keep referring to. Yes it was a little tongue in cheek and maybe a bit exaggerated but I still say that there will be a fair few families in Syria or in the camps that will recognise it or something very similar. | |||
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"I suppose I should be glad that at long last you are looking at the numbers instead of making things up. You're the one who quoted the number of applicants into Germany in July now you are whingeing because large proportions of applicants we're successful from areas where people are in danger. None of this changes the lie that you helped to spread about Syrian men leaving their families behind in Syria to die or be raped or mutilated. I think in your ludicrous version of the world they were coming here to join fab and desert their partners, weren't they? Where am I whingeing? I am only trying to illustrate that the vast majority of the mob charging across Europe are NOT Syrian, and are trying to force their way into western and northern Europe for nothing more than financial gain. As I've said many times before. They are safe in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, and Italy. I've not seen any reports of ISIS blowing up the Acropolis (yet) or crucifying anyone on the banks of the Danube. As for my little story on the other thread that you love to keep referring to. Yes it was a little tongue in cheek and maybe a bit exaggerated but I still say that there will be a fair few families in Syria or in the camps that will recognise it or something very similar. " It was and still is vile and malicious. Foot in mouth not tongue in cheek. | |||
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"My current affairs memory is pretty poor these days due to overload of news sources. I know Syria is in turmoil and there is a ruthless leader called Assad and there is a crazy group called Isis. Over the last few years, what role if any has Britain played in their civil war? Have we sided with Assad or Isis and any point and helped with supply of arms? I'm trying to understand if we have a moral duty to be involved in this due to our past actions." have you viewed the interview of Bashar Al Assad or RT? very interesting | |||
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"I suppose I should be glad that at long last you are looking at the numbers instead of making things up. You're the one who quoted the number of applicants into Germany in July now you are whingeing because large proportions of applicants we're successful from areas where people are in danger. None of this changes the lie that you helped to spread about Syrian men leaving their families behind in Syria to die or be raped or mutilated. I think in your ludicrous version of the world they were coming here to join fab and desert their partners, weren't they? Where am I whingeing? I am only trying to illustrate that the vast majority of the mob charging across Europe are NOT Syrian, and are trying to force their way into western and northern Europe for nothing more than financial gain. As I've said many times before. They are safe in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, and Italy. I've not seen any reports of ISIS blowing up the Acropolis (yet) or crucifying anyone on the banks of the Danube. As for my little story on the other thread that you love to keep referring to. Yes it was a little tongue in cheek and maybe a bit exaggerated but I still say that there will be a fair few families in Syria or in the camps that will recognise it or something very similar. It was and still is vile and malicious. Foot in mouth not tongue in cheek." What I find vile and malicious are the gangs of thugs smashing fences, wrecking trains, and trampling on their own people just to get their own way. Selfish young men who will stop at nothing to get to what they think is eldorado, and if a few women and kids get in their way they are pushed aside or worse. I see very few who think "women and children first" they even kick off if the Hungarian or Croatian police try to impose it on them. Good job they weren't on the Titanic Eh? | |||
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"WONT BE LONG BEFORE THE FIRST BEHEADING IN OUR STREETS" I think you mean the 2nd. | |||
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"I suppose I should be glad that at long last you are looking at the numbers instead of making things up. You're the one who quoted the number of applicants into Germany in July now you are whingeing because large proportions of applicants we're successful from areas where people are in danger. None of this changes the lie that you helped to spread about Syrian men leaving their families behind in Syria to die or be raped or mutilated. I think in your ludicrous version of the world they were coming here to join fab and desert their partners, weren't they? Where am I whingeing? I am only trying to illustrate that the vast majority of the mob charging across Europe are NOT Syrian, and are trying to force their way into western and northern Europe for nothing more than financial gain. As I've said many times before. They are safe in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Croatia, and Italy. I've not seen any reports of ISIS blowing up the Acropolis (yet) or crucifying anyone on the banks of the Danube. As for my little story on the other thread that you love to keep referring to. Yes it was a little tongue in cheek and maybe a bit exaggerated but I still say that there will be a fair few families in Syria or in the camps that will recognise it or something very similar. It was and still is vile and malicious. Foot in mouth not tongue in cheek. What I find vile and malicious are the gangs of thugs smashing fences, wrecking trains, and trampling on their own people just to get their own way. Selfish young men who will stop at nothing to get to what they think is eldorado, and if a few women and kids get in their way they are pushed aside or worse. I see very few who think "women and children first" they even kick off if the Hungarian or Croatian police try to impose it on them. Good job they weren't on the Titanic Eh? " That's a lovely rant and totally irrelevant to the point which is the vile little story you invented to slur all Syrian men. If there are thugs among genuinely peaceful people then the legal system is robust enough to handle them. The perception you and your camp followers try to push forward is that all Syrians behave like a load of louts. Just like your nasty little story tried to slander all Syrian males escaping the country. | |||
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"My current affairs memory is pretty poor these days due to overload of news sources. I know Syria is in turmoil and there is a ruthless leader called Assad and there is a crazy group called Isis. Over the last few years, what role if any has Britain played in their civil war? Have we sided with Assad or Isis and any point and helped with supply of arms? I'm trying to understand if we have a moral duty to be involved in this due to our past actions. have you viewed the interview of Bashar Al Assad or RT? very interesting " Assad is a good lier. The Syrian rebels feel abandoned by the world because they got very little actual support, they regularly request a no fly zone be implemented but nothing happens, the hospitals in rebel held areas are secret and move about, because they are a main target to the regime. And they bomb civilian areas far from front lines. Just crude barrel bombs exceed Isis in killing people. Turkey says Assad is the cause, Isis is the symptom, and they are right | |||
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"WONT BE LONG BEFORE THE FIRST BEHEADING IN OUR STREETS I think you mean the 2nd." Or more as at very least Charles 1st would be able to testify to from 1649. | |||
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"Fuckin freeloaders all the c..ts are they were safe in turkey and balkan countrys but better benefits in nothern europe we must be biggest bunch of c..ts in history id rather have rats in my house instead of that scum" With an attitude like that, I suspect the rats would prefer alternative digs. | |||
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"They would be more welcome and carry less disease" Are you saying the rats carry less disease than immigrants? | |||
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc." Until the uk/us/ etc stop playing kingmakers. Until we stop being class prefects for the world. Until we stop doing these things, there will be wars and people fleeing from the wars. When people flee from such wars, do you know where they will go? Not to Tim fucking buktu, nor to Soweto, nor to Jamaica . They will flee to places where you are paid to sit at home. To places where there is constant electricity and drinking water. They will go to places where they well lit roads were built on the sweat, toil, blood, tears, minerals of their own great great great ancestors who had been brought bound in chains. It is a vicious cycle
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"pull up the drawbridge and send hundreds of concrete trucks into the channel tunnel and fucking seal it! we are a tiny island in the middle of the north atlantic, and we have 64 million people already. where are we going to put everyone? answers on a postcard to the bbc. Until the uk/us/ etc stop playing kingmakers. Until we stop being class prefects for the world. Until we stop doing these things, there will be wars and people fleeing from the wars. When people flee from such wars, do you know where they will go? Not to Tim fucking buktu, nor to Soweto, nor to Jamaica . They will flee to places where you are paid to sit at home. To places where there is constant electricity and drinking water. They will go to places where they well lit roads were built on the sweat, toil, blood, tears, minerals of their own great great great ancestors who had been brought bound in chains. It is a vicious cycle
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"Well i suppose his ancetors fought in commenwealth army can you imagine these c..ts fighting they left there family for fiancial benefits no good fuckers" D'ye mean 'fought for Cromwell'? | |||
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"Fuckin freeloaders all the c..ts are they were safe in turkey and balkan countrys but better benefits in nothern europe we must be biggest bunch of c..ts in history id rather have rats in my house instead of that scum" one can only assume that you and the rats would be good company.. | |||
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