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"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat? "It's annoying. It doesn't have a collar on so no bell and can sneak up. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating." I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat?
It's annoying. It doesn't have a collar on so no bell and can sneak up. "Red Kite,s don,t kill the eat carrion | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells..." They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat?
It's annoying. It doesn't have a collar on so no bell and can sneak up. Red Kite,s don,t kill the eat carrion "They do hunt small mammals as well. Seen them go after some of the wild rabbits nearby and they have been seen swiping at one of the neighbour's cats. | |||
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" We've got a bird box and cats, both thrive in our garden. Our bird box is located in a way that the cats can't get at it. Simple solution eh?" Our's is attached to the house, above the kitchen window high up in the brickwork, but there's nothing to stop the cats getting Mum and Dad when they're gathering food in the garden. We put bird seed and fat balls up but they're naturally going to want berries and small bugs as well. x | |||
"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it. "The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.  | |||
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"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat. "I have lost a pet to a raptor. One of those things, couldn't stop it short of shooting the bird but then the next one would have got him. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats." FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...  | |||
"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.
I have lost a pet to a raptor. One of those things, couldn't stop it short of shooting the bird but then the next one would have got him."Lol, I took that literally. I know it's a term to describe any bird of prey but I literally couldn't help but picture a velociraptor running off with a Yorkshire terrior. | |||
"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.
I have lost a pet to a raptor. One of those things, couldn't stop it short of shooting the bird but then the next one would have got him.
Lol, I took that literally. I know it's a term to describe any bird of prey but I literally couldn't help but picture a velociraptor running off with a Yorkshire terrior. "Fuck, if it was a velociraptor, even my 12 gauge is fookin useless | |||
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"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears... "Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife? | |||
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"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?"Priorities | |||
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"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities"But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread. | |||
 as Glasto man said, it's the circle of life. | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat? "red kites don't kill just scavenge | |||
" We put bird seed and fat balls up but they're naturally going to want berries and small bugs as well. x" The same way, cats will want to eat live animals, also..... | |||
"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat. "I've seen them in Wales too. | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat?
red kites don't kill just scavenge"They do. I've seen one grab a vole. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread."I would rather not, thanks. | |||
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"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.
I have lost a pet to a raptor. One of those things, couldn't stop it short of shooting the bird but then the next one would have got him.
Lol, I took that literally. I know it's a term to describe any bird of prey but I literally couldn't help but picture a velociraptor running off with a Yorkshire terrior.
Fuck, if it was a velociraptor, even my 12 gauge is fookin useless "12g slugs would do it. | |||
"Even with bells, on collars, clever cats will still seek prey. They just took their heads to silence the bell. Why not just shoot all cats!, then you can look at birds........ as Glasto man said, it's the circle of life."Sonic beep collars are specially made to prevent this. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
"Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law? | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat?
red kites don't kill just scavenge
They do. I've seen one grab a vole. "Red Kites mostly eat Carrion, but it cannot be a reliable source of food, so they have to hunt as well, Buzzards are the same, only hunt when they have to. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells..." I've stopped putting collars on my cats as they always manage to lose them when out on the prowl. | |||
"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.
I've seen them in Wales too."Don't think they are in Wales, must have been an escapee. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?"So we should suppress the natural hunter in cats? Don't be ridiculous. If you want to protective birds save their habitat | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
So we should suppress the natural hunter in cats? Don't be ridiculous.
If you want to protective birds save their habitat "You can't get a Cat to suppress their instincts, I didn't say that, the collars would lessen their success rate and save a lot of wildlife, and people are trying to save their habitat, but some animals habitats are where there are high volumes of Cats, the house sparrow for example is endangered. | |||
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"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
So we should suppress the natural hunter in cats? Don't be ridiculous.
If you want to protective birds save their habitat
You can't get a Cat to suppress their instincts, I didn't say that, the collars would lessen their success rate and save a lot of wildlife, and people are trying to save their habitat, but some animals habitats are where there are high volumes of Cats, the house sparrow for example is endangered."They are only neighbours because we have stolen all of their natural habitat for housing and farming land. We also kill off more birds through pesticide use than any moggies could kill. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
"I don't "rattle"! And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late"  | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
So we should suppress the natural hunter in cats? Don't be ridiculous.
If you want to protective birds save their habitat
You can't get a Cat to suppress their instincts, I didn't say that, the collars would lessen their success rate and save a lot of wildlife, and people are trying to save their habitat, but some animals habitats are where there are high volumes of Cats, the house sparrow for example is endangered.
They are only neighbours because we have stolen all of their natural habitat for housing and farming land. We also kill off more birds through pesticide use than any moggies could kill. "Cats are responsible for over 200 Million wildlife deaths per year, that's mammals, Birds, Reptiles and Amphibians. Now I love Cats, I think they are beautiful animals, but I love all animals, and there is a serious problem, I don't want to make enemies of Cat owners because they need to be on board with this. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
I don't "rattle"!
And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late" "I said sonic collars, I was speaking of animals law, not human law, so your comment had no relevance to this discussion about Cats and wildlife. | |||
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"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
I don't "rattle"!
And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late"
I said sonic collars, I was speaking of animals law, not human law, so your comment had no relevance to this discussion about Cats and wildlife."Is there such a thing? animal law? Sonic collars. There are quite a few issues around the efficacy of these type of devices, and as such can prove difficult to sell/market. But I guess if it saves a few birds here and there, I am guessing the ASA will probably turn a blind eye. | |||
"We've had some Red Kites lately... Want me to have a word with them and see if they'll go after your neighbour's cat?
red kites don't kill just scavenge"They do indeed hunt/kill. Scavenging is their main thing as they're not big-footed but they will take on small mammals and other birds. People keep telling me they don't kill despite the fact that any professional will tell you they can and will. Plus, I have physically seen one grab hold of a small rabbit. | |||
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"Wiki: "The red kite's diet consists mainly of small mammals such as mice, voles, shrews, young hares and rabbits. It feeds on a wide variety of carrion including sheep carcasses and dead game birds. Live birds are also taken and occasionally reptiles and amphibians. Earthworms form an important part of the diet, especially in spring." Plus I have SEEN it.
The only UK bird that could take a Cat is a Golden Eagle, but they are restricted to Scotland, I wonder if cat owners would say , " it's only nature", if a Goldie took their Cat.
I've seen them in Wales too."I have seen both a kestral and a peregrine hit a cat, shame I didn't have a camera. The kestral one was a asleep in a field, the kestral hit it and flew off. The other the cat was going for a bird on the ground, the falcon swooped down and managed to lash out at it, then get the bird itself. | |||
"Paul took the bird box down to clean the rubbish out he does every autumn before we go away on holidays.Our fear was confirmed 8 dead blue tit chicks next doors cat had got the parents stopped seeing the tits end of May the bad thing the woman next door brags about her cat fetching half dead birds back into her Garden to play with " hope its not my cats. I put bells on them but they come back bell-less.  | |||
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If your cat has a flea problem, get it treated with Frontline from the vets as those bloody flea collars are a total waste of time and money! | |||
"I`ll also say I`m not a fan of putting collars on cats, even those with elasticated of break-away fastenings. A previous cat of mine came in looking very sheepish after his elasticated flea collar must have got snagged on something and he managed to get a front paw through it! If your cat has a flea problem, get it treated with Frontline from the vets as those bloody flea collars are a total waste of time and money!"the collar is to have a bell. nothing else. and each to there own. | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
So we should suppress the natural hunter in cats? Don't be ridiculous.
If you want to protective birds save their habitat
You can't get a Cat to suppress their instincts, I didn't say that, the collars would lessen their success rate and save a lot of wildlife, and people are trying to save their habitat, but some animals habitats are where there are high volumes of Cats, the house sparrow for example is endangered.
They are only neighbours because we have stolen all of their natural habitat for housing and farming land. We also kill off more birds through pesticide use than any moggies could kill.
Cats are responsible for over 200 Million wildlife deaths per year, that's mammals, Birds, Reptiles and Amphibians. Now I love Cats, I think they are beautiful animals, but I love all animals, and there is a serious problem, I don't want to make enemies of Cat owners because they need to be on board with this."where did you get your statistic from? | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
I don't "rattle"!
And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late"
I said sonic collars, I was speaking of animals law, not human law, so your comment had no relevance to this discussion about Cats and wildlife.
Is there such a thing? animal law?
Sonic collars. There are quite a few issues around the efficacy of these type of devices, and as such can prove difficult to sell/market.
But I guess if it saves a few birds here and there, I am guessing the ASA will probably turn a blind eye.
"i think i'd like to sit and watch an animal court preseiding over animal law. A badger as the judge, cat (obviously) a defendant, an owl as defence barrister, a fox as prosecution, jury made up of all types of beast to make it fair of course!! | |||
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"I`ll also say I`m not a fan of putting collars on cats, even those with elasticated of break-away fastenings. A previous cat of mine came in looking very sheepish after his elasticated flea collar must have got snagged on something and he managed to get a front paw through it! If your cat has a flea problem, get it treated with Frontline from the vets as those bloody flea collars are a total waste of time and money!
the collar is to have a bell. nothing else. and each to there own."Might be OK in some urban gardens but if you have lots of natural hedges or even shrubs in the garden there`s every chance of the collar getting snagged, hence my comments and the reply by Clem above this comment. First thing I did when my cat came it with the very misplaced collar was cut the damned thing off and vow to never use one again! | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
I don't "rattle"!
And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late"
I said sonic collars, I was speaking of animals law, not human law, so your comment had no relevance to this discussion about Cats and wildlife.
Is there such a thing? animal law?
Sonic collars. There are quite a few issues around the efficacy of these type of devices, and as such can prove difficult to sell/market.
But I guess if it saves a few birds here and there, I am guessing the ASA will probably turn a blind eye.
i think i'd like to sit and watch an animal court preseiding over animal law. A badger as the judge, cat (obviously) a defendant, an owl as defence barrister, a fox as prosecution, jury made up of all types of beast to make it fair of course!! "Animal laws are laws regarding animals, Hunting with dogs is an example of one in the public eye at the moment. You can buy collars with quick release straps which break under pressure allowing the cat to escape. Let me ask a question to those who object to collars, bells and sonic beeps, if you lived in an area with Eagles, and a collar was available that emitted a beep to scare Eagles and save your Cats life, would you put a collar on your cat then? | |||
"It's not the Cats fault, it is just their instinctual behaviour, but they are a major problem to our wildlife, owners need to take more responsibility, I do love cats, but they are a mega efficient unnatural predator, and to have so many in such a small area is devastating. I'm surprised at how few neighbours put/keep bells on their cat's collars... Considering most cat collars COME with bells... They can buy them with a device that emits a subsonic beep to scare wildlife, but few use them, it should be made law before it's too late, there's always a big emphasis on Dog owners being responsible, but not Cats. FFS - this has to be a joke, right? Given the many other things that need sorting out with legislation, you would have time spent on making it illegal for a cat not to wear a bell round its neck!!! Have you considered the rights of the cats? I mean maybe they don't like the thought of being tagged with such an inconveniently noisy thing round their neck... what about the emotional distress it will cause to the cat, not to mention the possible side effects from the constant bell ringing int he cats ears...
Why shouldn't we have laws protecting wildlife?
Priorities
But we are discussing wildlife on this thread, we can discuss other laws and legislation on another thread.
I would rather not, thanks.
Then why come on this thread rattling on about priorities in law?
I don't "rattle"!
And it was you who introduced the "point of law", suggesting it should be made law that all cats wear bell collars - "before its too late"
I said sonic collars, I was speaking of animals law, not human law, so your comment had no relevance to this discussion about Cats and wildlife.
Is there such a thing? animal law?
Sonic collars. There are quite a few issues around the efficacy of these type of devices, and as such can prove difficult to sell/market.
But I guess if it saves a few birds here and there, I am guessing the ASA will probably turn a blind eye.
i think i'd like to sit and watch an animal court preseiding over animal law. A badger as the judge, cat (obviously) a defendant, an owl as defence barrister, a fox as prosecution, jury made up of all types of beast to make it fair of course!!
Animal laws are laws regarding animals, Hunting with dogs is an example of one in the public eye at the moment. You can buy collars with quick release straps which break under pressure allowing the cat to escape.
Let me ask a question to those who object to collars, bells and sonic beeps, if you lived in an area with Eagles, and a collar was available that emitted a beep to scare Eagles and save your Cats life, would you put a collar on your cat then?"Ah I see - that's Animal Law. Laws regarding animals. Maybe something like..... making it law that cats have to wear some kind of bell or sonic device collar round their necks...??? Have to say I much prefer evies vision of Animal Law... | |||
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"I haven't read all this,but our cat won't keep a collar on. I'd love to feed the birds in our garden,but can't as we have her." Sensible, I know people who feed birds and have cats, insane. | |||
"Our bloody cat brought in a small bird, I threw them both out three times but the cat insisted on playing with the bird until it broke, brought it back in the house, murdered it properly on the new carpet and, just to spite me, then proceeded to vomit up the remains. Not happy. " You people need to kick the cat out and get a dog instead! They have way better manners! | |||
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"However I feel the balance is redressed by me not having children wrecking other people's lives with their incessant screaming and shouting, so I'm not worried." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHo Definitely watch.  | |||
"Irresponsible cat owner here. Mine will not keep a collar on - they used to manage to remove at least two a week, so I no longer bother. They go outside, because they would be miserable if they didn't. I can't promise they don't ever shit in the neighbours gardens, although they most frequently go in mine. (Despite this, all my flowerbeds are blooming.) However I feel the balance is redressed by me not having children wrecking other people's lives with their incessant screaming and shouting, so I'm not worried. So basically, suck it up sunshine. " My children don't wreck other peoples lives, and they don't kill animals. I appreciate that they don't keep collars on, but when a cat will and is safe to do so, they need to be encouraged, they are only part of the wildlife problem though, there is loads to be done all round. | |||
"However I feel the balance is redressed by me not having children wrecking other people's lives with their incessant screaming and shouting, so I'm not worried. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHo Definitely watch. "
Also, well played YouTube - the ad before the video was for ovulation tests to optimise chances of pregnancy I think they misjudged the mood. | |||
"Over 150,000 wild birds are killed every day in the UK from domesticated cats. Such wonderful pets to keep as we sprawl ourselves out across the planet. "That's about 55 million a year . So according to the statistics that were presented earlier in this thread, what are the other 145 million wildlife things being mass murdered by these pesky cats ??
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"I haven't read all this,but our cat won't keep a collar on. I'd love to feed the birds in our garden,but can't as we have her. Sensible, I know people who feed birds and have cats, insane. " It's not insane at all, we do it very successfully in our garden. The table can't be climbed by our cats. It out of Jumping reach. All it takes is a little thought. | |||
"I haven't read all this,but our cat won't keep a collar on. I'd love to feed the birds in our garden,but can't as we have her. Sensible, I know people who feed birds and have cats, insane. It's not insane at all, we do it very successfully in our garden. The table can't be climbed by our cats. It out of Jumping reach. All it takes is a little thought." Fair enough, but I wish some others would learn from your example. | |||
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"I haven't read all this,but our cat won't keep a collar on. I'd love to feed the birds in our garden,but can't as we have her. Sensible, I know people who feed birds and have cats, insane. It's not insane at all, we do it very successfully in our garden. The table can't be climbed by our cats. It out of Jumping reach. All it takes is a little thought. Fair enough, but I wish some others would learn from your example." Something has to be done about these mass murdering life wrecking beasts | |||
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