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Legalising brothels

By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

Watching daily politics, and they're is a sex worker who is in agreement with amnesty international that brothels need decriminalisation - but the info that got me was that prostitution in the uk is legal, just brothels and pimping are not.

Vs what is going on in Ireland where they will be criminalising and prosecuting men who pay sex workers, where do you stand?

The arguments against legalising brothels go along the lines of the other crimes associated with prostitution - theft, up to human trafficking. The argument for legalising brothels is for a safe place for sex workers, who can be routinely abused, coerced etc.

Anyone have any deep thoughts on the topic? X

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Not quite sure I follow all the ins and outs of your argument but decriminalisation and regulation's gotta be safer for workings girls (and boys)?

Surely?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dont have much knowlesge on either side of the argument to be honest so it will be an intersting read this one.

I would personally lean towards legalisation.

I can see the benefits to this and although it would save money on policing it would cost money in terms of goverment monitoring.

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I think its a minefield with a lot of grey areas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One issue is girls working for themselves as escorts etc through sites like adult work is one thing. A managed brothel running larger numbers of girls and taking a cut can quickly become abusive or start ripping the girls off etc.

Also you have licensing issues, say they're legal who's gonna approve to have one next to them?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

I think it all should be legalised, I'd personally like to see sex workers and people that pay for sex treated no differently to any other service, nice brothels, clean safe environment. This I think would work for the "average Joe" what I'm more concerned about are what we used to call kings cross girls, young girls(or older) giving a quick whatever for £10 to get their next fix or to give to their pimp, I know there is outreach units and such for them but I think there needs to be far more money ploughed into it.

In my perfect world, they would be taught aa out self worth, how to respect themselves, get back into education and hopefully be able to turn their lives round

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

"Not quite sure I follow all the ins and outs of your argument but decriminalisation and regulation's gotta be safer for workings girls (and boys)?

Surely?"

Sorry if the post is confusing, I might have rambled - I'm not really providing an argument myself, kept my personal opinion out of the post, (have always been pro legalisation).

I agree in principle legalisation is safer, but Amsterdam provides the opposing argument that legalisation still left women vulnerable and exploited, involved in human trafficking etc.

And Ireland taking a different approach and targeting customers rather than prostitutes has thrown me, as it seems to genuinely see that prostitutes themselves are not the problem but sometimes victims.

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

"i dont have much knowlesge on either side of the argument to be honest so it will be an intersting read this one.

I would personally lean towards legalisation.

I can see the benefits to this and although it would save money on policing it would cost money in terms of goverment monitoring.

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I think its a minefield with a lot of grey areas."

I'm highly interested in the topic. I saw a documentary on a legal brothel in Texas, I think? Run by a madam, it seemed like a really safe place for the women, their welfare was looked after, it was like watching a program on a slightly irregular sisterhood. They were really different to the set-up in Amsterdam though - there the brothels are on the high street, but the American brothel was on its own, like a farmhouse conversion.

There was an incident in the documentary when a punter took off his condom - she hit an alarm, he was removed and banned, and she had to travel to get an std test, and while she was waiting for the results, couldn't work. Possibly less instances of rape - but crucially there was an immediate support network available that worked to help the prostitutes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"One issue is girls working for themselves as escorts etc through sites like adult work is one thing. A managed brothel running larger numbers of girls and taking a cut can quickly become abusive or start ripping the girls off etc.

Also you have licensing issues, say they're legal who's gonna approve to have one next to them?"

But the alternative is to condemn sex workers to the shadows, completely unprotected and outside of the law.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

It's under consideration at Holyrood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34190170

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i dont have much knowlesge on either side of the argument to be honest so it will be an intersting read this one.

I would personally lean towards legalisation.

I can see the benefits to this and although it would save money on policing it would cost money in terms of goverment monitoring.

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I think its a minefield with a lot of grey areas.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

the local authority already regulate sex business.

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

We foot the bill for other industries, from livestock farming to banking, and it's not a failing industry so it's not going to need a bailout.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

Would you prefer to pay the cost of the investigations re murdered streetwalkers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Put a camera in each room of the brothel and tell the police you're filming porn. Instant legalisation...

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

"i dont have much knowlesge on either side of the argument to be honest so it will be an intersting read this one.

I would personally lean towards legalisation.

I can see the benefits to this and although it would save money on policing it would cost money in terms of goverment monitoring.

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I think its a minefield with a lot of grey areas.

I think the costs of monitoring and policing they more than covered it with their licence fee and they hired their own security. It ran like any other legitimate business, I don't understand the origin of the point of view that legalising brothels somehow costs the public money, if a flower shop or a deli opens are there the same concerns about public funding?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

We foot the bill for other industries, from livestock farming to banking, and it's not a failing industry so it's not going to need a bailout. "

I haven't done the maths,,, I don't have any figures to work with....

I have no idea if policing it would requite subsidy or not

I have no idea how much revenue a legalised sex industry would generate in the UK,,,

But legalised prostitution is not something every member of public would be in favour of, so I don't think its unreasonable to expect a newly legalised industry of that nature to self finance it's regulation..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think brothels are allowed in Scotland, with a maximum of two working girls at a time.

I dont use brothels but in sure i did hear that was the case.

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By *iSTARessWoman over a year ago

London

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

Um rape isn't about sex but power.

Legalise the lot I say. Oldest profession in the world and ain't going anywhere soon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

Would you prefer to pay the cost of the investigations re murdered streetwalkers?"

Certainly not but I fail to see how its an either or situation...

The cost and provision of investigating murders are maintained for the benefit of all society,,,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it should be legalised.

There are plenty of brothels and agency's already in the UK - they are just not legal. This takes a lot of policing and this is where you generally see trafficking.

I think a register of brothels that have regular spot checks, tax paid, proof they look after their staff etc Is what we need.

The UK law classes it a brothel if more than 1 person is offering a sex service at the same address, I also believe this needs re classifying and it only being classed as a Brothel if 3 or more are working from the premises, that way 2 girls can work together and have the safety of each other being there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape? "

I personally don't think there is a connection between prostitution and rape

Rape tends to be a power thing rather than to scratch a sexual itch plus a high percentage of people who are raped know their attacker so I can't see how legalising rape would cut down rape attacts

Obviously just my views on the subject

I do think it should be ligalised though, its the oldest profession going and its never going to go away I just feel it would be safer for all

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

We foot the bill for other industries, from livestock farming to banking, and it's not a failing industry so it's not going to need a bailout.

I haven't done the maths,,, I don't have any figures to work with....

I have no idea if policing it would requite subsidy or not

I have no idea how much revenue a legalised sex industry would generate in the UK,,,

I doubt it would need a subsidy, as the costs can all be covered by the amount of money that the police have and do seize from prostitutes and brothels, either as part of a police investigation or money paid to keep quiet.

It is an industry that can easily pay for itself without cost to the public - it already does that, and always has.

Still not understanding the point of view that legalising brothels would cost the public. How?

If a deli opens, do you pay for it to open? It is a regulated business, do you pay for that?

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By *ath_Neil_bifun OP Couple over a year ago

near cardiff

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I personally don't think there is a connection between prostitution and rape

Rape tends to be a power thing rather than to scratch a sexual itch plus a high percentage of people who are raped know their attacker so I can't see how legalising rape would cut down rape attacts

Obviously just my views on the subject

I do think it should be ligalised though, its the oldest profession going and its never going to go away I just feel it would be safer for all"

I think there are links to rape and prostitution in that prostitutes are vulnerable, especially street walkers as they are likelier than other women to go to a secluded space where they can be attacked, and they are less likely to be believed. Each plays into the power aspects rapists crave.

Also it is true that a rapist is statistically someone you know - again that can link to prostitution, it could be the pimp, the repeat 'customer', someone close who finds out and uses the prostitute. Then there are the links to the worst part of prostitution where prostitutes are sex slaves so everything that happens to them is rape.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

I personally don't think there is a connection between prostitution and rape

Rape tends to be a power thing rather than to scratch a sexual itch plus a high percentage of people who are raped know their attacker so I can't see how legalising rape would cut down rape attacts

Obviously just my views on the subject

I do think it should be ligalised though, its the oldest profession going and its never going to go away I just feel it would be safer for all

I agree with what you say but when I said I don't think there is a connection between prostitution and rape I ment if prostitution was legal I don't think it would stop men raping that random women walking home from the pub alone type of sinario

I do think prostitute's are more at risk of being attacked because as you say they are more vunrable and hang out in secluded areas, most see street walkers as worthless and again as you say who believes them or even cares about them

Legalising it would give them an option to get off the street into safer places

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If brothels were legal though would there be less instances of rape?

Um rape isn't about sex but power.

Legalise the lot I say. Oldest profession in the world and ain't going anywhere soon."

Im quite aware of that but its not necessarily a concious connection for the perps.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

We foot the bill for other industries, from livestock farming to banking, and it's not a failing industry so it's not going to need a bailout.

I haven't done the maths,,, I don't have any figures to work with....

I have no idea if policing it would requite subsidy or not

I have no idea how much revenue a legalised sex industry would generate in the UK,,,

It is an industry that can easily pay for itself without cost to the public - it already does that, and always has.

Still not understanding the point of view that legalising brothels would cost the public. How?

If a deli opens, do you pay for it to open? It is a regulated business, do you pay for that? "

Your perfectly entitled to your opinions.....

That's what this is about....

A delicatessen is legal business for which regulation already exists....and the cost of set up born by the owner.

Making a case where you only doubt subsidy would be required, is not an economic formula without risks.....

Again this is only my opinion , but I cant imagine that every instance where a police intervention would be warranted is presently reported in the un-legalised sex industry,,,

Who do you propose finances the cost or creating legislation and on-going regulation should you be mistaken in you assumption there would be no cost to the public purse?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The point i was trying to make with that question was if it would impact on any instances of rape its a good thing.

i have no idea if it would thats why i phrased it as a question...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dont how it could happen here without regulation. Any job is subject to minumum employment conditions and laws to back those up. to me this is a form of employment and would be subject to regulation.

if those running these businesses abused their workers how would ypu prosecute them without laws and regulations? Someone has to be paid to create update and monitor those.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"My initial thought is I have no objection to legalisation

But if brothels and prostitution are granted legal status it's not unreasonable to expect it would require a regulatory authority.

I would like to see that regulation financed directly from monies earned in the sex industry rather than from the public purse,,,,

Income tax should be paid by sex workers but I wouldn't want the general public footing the bill of policing a legalised sex industry.

Would you prefer to pay the cost of the investigations re murdered streetwalkers?

Certainly not but I fail to see how its an either or situation...

The cost and provision of investigating murders are maintained for the benefit of all society,,,,

Experience shows its either or. The second last major clampdown on massage parlours in Glasgow sent many girls back onto the streets.

Incidentally, I reckon Steve House, recently dumped as head of Police Scotland was behind the clampdown.

"The homicide rate for sex workers in Britain is 12 times higher than for other women; prostitutes constitute the largest single group of unsolved murders. It is estimated that at least 60 in the UK have been murdered in the past 10 years, with only 16 convictions."

Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/ten-scottish-prostitutes-murdered-but-only-three-men-are-convicted-1-734292#ixzz3luXkAPPs

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"i dont how it could happen here without regulation. Any job is subject to minumum employment conditions and laws to back those up. to me this is a form of employment and would be subject to regulation.

if those running these businesses abused their workers how would ypu prosecute them without laws and regulations? Someone has to be paid to create update and monitor those."

Zero hours contracts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if those running these businesses abused their workers how would ypu prosecute them without laws and regulations? Someone has to be paid to create update and monitor those.

Zero hours contracts."

Explain how that would work?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

if those running these businesses abused their workers how would ypu prosecute them without laws and regulations? Someone has to be paid to create update and monitor those.

Zero hours contracts.

Explain how that would work? "

Sorry. That's why it wouldn't work. That and all the Tory legislation designed to remove workers rights.

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By *empting Devil.Woman over a year ago

Sheffield

Under current legislation it's legal for a prostitute to work alone but if she shares with someone else or has a so called maid or even a friend in the flat at whilst she's working then it's considered a brothel and illegal.

Police in some areas make a point of cracking down on women who work together and as a result they are open to a high rate of assaults and robberies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Watching daily politics, and they're is a sex worker who is in agreement with amnesty international that brothels need decriminalisation - but the info that got me was that prostitution in the uk is legal, just brothels and pimping are not.

Vs what is going on in Ireland where they will be criminalising and prosecuting men who pay sex workers, where do you stand?

Anyone have any deep thoughts on the topic? X"

So in other words... "Hey ladies... Can't get a job at Slaves & Co but need a job with a pay based on your body, demands and will also leave you with regrets? Sell us your body and we'll make all your shopping dreams and dreams possible"

I said this 8 years ago and I'll say it again... Paedophilia will soon be a thing. The pattern is there and these things will be the gate way towards exploring these dark fantasies and making them into reality/the norm