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Found this on the BBC
Dr Richardson, a robot ethicist at De Montfort University in Leicester, wants to raise awareness of the issue and persuade those developing sex robots to rethink how their technology is used.
"Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on - how they will look, what roles they would play - are very disturbing indeed," she told the BBC.
She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.
"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said.
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"Wasn't it Jo Brand who said 'if vibrators could open jam jars we wouldn't need men'?
Mind though, who'd wanna fuck Jo Brand?"
What don't you like about Jo Brand? |
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Some people will never change and always look at others as something to be used. I do think these people get off on treating humans like crap though.
The robots aren't sentient so they'll be ok, it's just will the sociopaths want to use them.
I'm guessing it's more likely we'll have people falling in love with their robots and idk if that's a problem or not really. |
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It just needs a few tweeks... make it so that an unknown combination of button pushes causes it to malfunction and try chopping your balls off... then forget to leave the user with the manual for how to operate it... and it should double suitably as a woman   |
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Im a bit confused over ithe issue of the part about detremental relationships between'adult and children'. That is totally fooked up.
What made me laugh is that the man will build a relationship with the companion who will learn human interraction etc.
So eventually the female companion will have headaches, period pains and mood swings.
A male version will be down the pub most nights, wank in the bath and snore like a trooper.
No change really |
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Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok. |
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok."
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist..
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok.
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist.."
That's probably because a conscious thinking machine can't actually exist in the slightest... so they've decided to blow their budgets on something more "useful" |
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok.
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist..
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AI's pretty crap right now, not surprised there's not much interest really.
It doesn't have to mean our extinction, although humans will likely progress to be something other than they are now, might not be a bad thing seeing as we're fucking up a lot already (on the whole).
Plus we're all communicating via computer technology right now, we're already evolving to this point naturally as it is, i feel so. I can't really see a need for transhuminism as robots, i think we'll not even have a need for a body eventually. |
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"i think we'll not even have a need for a body eventually.
we already don't  "
Hello my nemesis, i am prepared for you.  Hi, again.
It's thought the way we process this world using our bodies, and more importantly our senses, is what makes us us. We'd likely be different if we didn't have a physical body. But like i sad before this might not be a bad thing if we were different. |
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"i think we'll not even have a need for a body eventually.
we already don't
Hello my nemesis, i am prepared for you. Hi, again.
It's thought the way we process this world using our bodies, and more importantly our senses, is what makes us us. We'd likely be different if we didn't have a physical body. But like i sad before this might not be a bad thing if we were different."
lol Don't worry I was just teasing I guess its just curious that if we can imagine consciousness existing in a machine without the need for our brain... why we can't then make the leap to imagining that exactly the same thing is going on right now. Interesting philosophical conundrum here though...
What if you were able to live indefinitely in a machine, living in this world and evade death... but in actual reality after death people went somewhere really amazing and wonderful and you were being prevented from going there... would being conscious in a machine for an eternity be hell?   |
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"i think we'll not even have a need for a body eventually.
we already don't
Hello my nemesis, i am prepared for you. Hi, again.
It's thought the way we process this world using our bodies, and more importantly our senses, is what makes us us. We'd likely be different if we didn't have a physical body. But like i sad before this might not be a bad thing if we were different.
lol Don't worry I was just teasing I guess its just curious that if we can imagine consciousness existing in a machine without the need for our brain... why we can't then make the leap to imagining that exactly the same thing is going on right now. Interesting philosophical conundrum here though...
What if you were able to live indefinitely in a machine, living in this world and evade death... but in actual reality after death people went somewhere really amazing and wonderful and you were being prevented from going there... would being conscious in a machine for an eternity be hell? "
Well, we don't need to imagine. Right now i'm a consciousness talking to you through a machine, and i'm presuming you're the same. We have experience of the physical though outside of this.
For your second point, i guess the thing is what would be different about us when we went to the after life place? And yes us is really a broad term here and includes a lot of things. Why would going back to the past events, past people and past bonds be any better than heading forward and creating new ones? |
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"What if you were able to live indefinitely in a machine, living in this world and evade death... but in actual reality after death people went somewhere really amazing and wonderful and you were being prevented from going there... would being conscious in a machine for an eternity be hell?
For your second point, i guess the thing is what would be different about us when we went to the after life place? And yes us is really a broad term here and includes a lot of things. Why would going back to the past events, past people and past bonds be any better than heading forward and creating new ones?"
Lets entertain, for example, that dying is a bit like waking up from a dream. I suddenly remember that I'm not really "me", the person I was in this life, but that I'm this amazing loving being who feels a heart connection with all other living beings and is finally able to comprehend the real purpose of everything.
If, instead, I transfer my petty human consciousness into a machine just so I can go off partying for an eternity... well.. I guess the image it conjures up for me is that morose android in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy who's always pissed off and pessimistic about everything... wouldn't you eventually turn into a bunch of sour grapes... couldn't the effort to try and stay alive have ended up leading you into a hellish prison?
Dunno the answer... but it sounds like a great scifi movie |
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"Lets entertain, for example, that dying is a bit like waking up from a dream. I suddenly remember that I'm not really "me", the person I was in this life, but that I'm this amazing loving being who feels a heart connection with all other living beings and is finally able to comprehend the real purpose of everything.
If, instead, I transfer my petty human consciousness into a machine just so I can go off partying for an eternity... well.. I guess the image it conjures up for me is that morose android in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy who's always pissed off and pessimistic about everything... wouldn't you eventually turn into a bunch of sour grapes... couldn't the effort to try and stay alive have ended up leading you into a hellish prison?
Dunno the answer... but it sounds like a great scifi movie "
Hmm. Nobody knows the truth about death and what happens after it. I do know the knowing a truth can help you wake up and see things differently, but for now we don't know what is truth and what isn't. So right now you're basing your idea of an after life on something we cannot know.
You can be the loving person connected to everything right now, it's hard to do but unconditional love is a real thing that exists in this world, this life. You have to expect not to be loved back, most people do not build connections with others unless it benefits them though.
Not sure about the purpose bit, i've nothing much to say about that as i don't know if we even have one (i'm a nihilist remember).
Sci-fi is pretty good, maybe go for something a bit deep though and not ones where robots are automatons and are real with feelings, just like you and me. Although that's not quite realistic either and never explained properly how they got that way, unless they were cyborgs. Even the terminator ended up with feelings, but the next model after him was also a heartless robot so kind of cancelled that out i guess. |
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Affectionate... it was just a late night "what if?" I haven't got a clue what comes after death. Let's put it this way... there seems to be only two options... either consciousness carries on in some form or it doesn't. I just liked the idea with this concept that, in evading the unknown, someone might prevent themselves from waking up to the real them or some other wonderful possibility. We're so used to seeing death in a negative way... I guess I feel that having seen my son being born... if death is anywhere near as miraculous as birth... then it's gonna be one hell of an experience |
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"Affectionate... it was just a late night "what if?" I haven't got a clue what comes after death. Let's put it this way... there seems to be only two options... either consciousness carries on in some form or it doesn't. I just liked the idea with this concept that, in evading the unknown, someone might prevent themselves from waking up to the real them or some other wonderful possibility. We're so used to seeing death in a negative way... I guess I feel that having seen my son being born... if death is anywhere near as miraculous as birth... then it's gonna be one hell of an experience "
That's fine, we're discussing ideas. I personally feel you cannot wake up to ideas or concepts, they just give you something to think about or imagine.
That's nice about your son, i'm not gonna put a downer on it and say anything else i feel about death. |
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"Affectionate... it was just a late night "what if?" I haven't got a clue what comes after death. Let's put it this way... there seems to be only two options... either consciousness carries on in some form or it doesn't. I just liked the idea with this concept that, in evading the unknown, someone might prevent themselves from waking up to the real them or some other wonderful possibility. We're so used to seeing death in a negative way... I guess I feel that having seen my son being born... if death is anywhere near as miraculous as birth... then it's gonna be one hell of an experience
That's fine, we're discussing ideas. I personally feel you cannot wake up to ideas or concepts, they just give you something to think about or imagine.
That's nice about your son, i'm not gonna put a downer on it and say anything else i feel about death. "
I'm not afraid of the Truth, remember I was a nihilist too The other day I sat and tried to conceive of everything as truly having no purpose. The universe popping into existence by accident. Conscious life evolving by accident. Me dying and rotting and being recycled. Then the universe cooling, dying off, until its all nothing again. If that's the way it is then cool... its been a fun ride and I feel incredibly lucky to have been a part of it. But when you really grasp it as a concept... its utterly barmy and bizarre... much more so than the way I now see it imo |
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok.
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist..
That's probably because a conscious thinking machine can't actually exist in the slightest... so they've decided to blow their budgets on something more "useful" "
I'm always interested when people (even those who studied in their respective fields), telling me what is not possible..
You cant seriously think they arent spending billions on the research itself..
people are generally happy when science gives them stuff..like tellys,phones etc..yet are quite happy to dumb down when it actually comes to realizing what technology they have and will have in the future.
They might have got it wrong in fifties sci-fi what we'd all be doing now..but the next 50-100years?- most will be looking at our tech like its antiques.
So I dunno why , everyone can be so certain on a civilization that is increasing 10fold on its advances,in technical and biological fields...which is also most likely going to be the next big transformation, bio-tech. |
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"Affectionate... it was just a late night "what if?" I haven't got a clue what comes after death. Let's put it this way... there seems to be only two options... either consciousness carries on in some form or it doesn't. I just liked the idea with this concept that, in evading the unknown, someone might prevent themselves from waking up to the real them or some other wonderful possibility. We're so used to seeing death in a negative way... I guess I feel that having seen my son being born... if death is anywhere near as miraculous as birth... then it's gonna be one hell of an experience
That's fine, we're discussing ideas. I personally feel you cannot wake up to ideas or concepts, they just give you something to think about or imagine.
That's nice about your son, i'm not gonna put a downer on it and say anything else i feel about death.
I'm not afraid of the Truth, remember I was a nihilist too The other day I sat and tried to conceive of everything as truly having no purpose. The universe popping into existence by accident. Conscious life evolving by accident. Me dying and rotting and being recycled. Then the universe cooling, dying off, until its all nothing again. If that's the way it is then cool... its been a fun ride and I feel incredibly lucky to have been a part of it. But when you really grasp it as a concept... its utterly barmy and bizarre... much more so than the way I now see it imo "
I don't see as everything happening by accident. It naturally happened because of cause and effect, i just don't see any other reason for it happening than survival and the fact that it can. I do think that adapting to their surroundings is how things evolve. I Don't know why it happened but there's some good ideas out there, such as needing more space because they multiplied so much.
Some people have really good ideas about why we are here and it's for a purpose but i never understand any of them or know if they're true or not. The universe exists, but we don't know why and are trying to find out. Maybe we'll never find out, maybe we're not meant to. Idk. |
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok.
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist..
That's probably because a conscious thinking machine can't actually exist in the slightest... so they've decided to blow their budgets on something more "useful"
I'm always interested when people (even those who studied in their respective fields), telling me what is not possible..
You cant seriously think they arent spending billions on the research itself..
people are generally happy when science gives them stuff..like tellys,phones etc..yet are quite happy to dumb down when it actually comes to realizing what technology they have and will have in the future.
They might have got it wrong in fifties sci-fi what we'd all be doing now..but the next 50-100years?- most will be looking at our tech like its antiques.
So I dunno why , everyone can be so certain on a civilization that is increasing 10fold on its advances,in technical and biological fields...which is also most likely going to be the next big transformation, bio-tech."
Western culture has long fantasised about the amazing future possibilities of science... we've had everything from anti-gravity machines, time travel, teleportation, holograms, and now AI. We can believe in these things because they are presented to us as if they were scientific contraptions. But they've been conjured up by our imaginations and at least a few of them seem genuinely impossible. Quite how, for example, an image is supposed to be projected onto empty air and appear as a hologram is beyond me. I'm quite happy to assume, thus, that it will never be achievable... I harbour enough doubt that I'm prepared to say it's impossible. Quite simply, any projected image needs a medium to appear on. We might be able to fake it though... The same goes for AI. Computers may be able to con us into thinking their conscious within our lifetime aka the Turing test... but they will never be either intelligent or conscious. |
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"Some people have really good ideas about why we are here and it's for a purpose but i never understand any of them or know if they're true or not. The universe exists, but we don't know why and are trying to find out. Maybe we'll never find out, maybe we're not meant to. Idk."
It tends to be assumed that, by believing in a god, God will provide that ultimate meaning. However, recently I thought "what about God's meaning?" and realised that God doesn't have a god to turn to to provide God with meaning. This puzzled me greatly for a while until it dawned on me that perhaps this whole concept of "meaning" is something quite peculiarly human.
Perhaps love and being is meaning enough  |
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"Interspersed with a society that embraces transhumanism i can see more problems occurring then. Like real humans and robots become harder to distinguish. But we already dehumanise and villify certain types of real people now, if we get on top of that problem first then i could see everything being ok.
its amazing to see though..that sex is actually causing interest in AI!
not the fact it's a fundamental step in human evolution(or extinction) that a concious thinking machine could actually exist..
That's probably because a conscious thinking machine can't actually exist in the slightest... so they've decided to blow their budgets on something more "useful"
I'm always interested when people (even those who studied in their respective fields), telling me what is not possible..
You cant seriously think they arent spending billions on the research itself..
people are generally happy when science gives them stuff..like tellys,phones etc..yet are quite happy to dumb down when it actually comes to realizing what technology they have and will have in the future.
They might have got it wrong in fifties sci-fi what we'd all be doing now..but the next 50-100years?- most will be looking at our tech like its antiques.
So I dunno why , everyone can be so certain on a civilization that is increasing 10fold on its advances,in technical and biological fields...which is also most likely going to be the next big transformation, bio-tech.
Western culture has long fantasised about the amazing future possibilities of science... we've had everything from anti-gravity machines, time travel, teleportation, holograms, and now AI. We can believe in these things because they are presented to us as if they were scientific contraptions. But they've been conjured up by our imaginations and at least a few of them seem genuinely impossible. Quite how, for example, an image is supposed to be projected onto empty air and appear as a hologram is beyond me. I'm quite happy to assume, thus, that it will never be achievable... I harbour enough doubt that I'm prepared to say it's impossible. Quite simply, any projected image needs a medium to appear on. We might be able to fake it though... The same goes for AI. Computers may be able to con us into thinking their conscious within our lifetime aka the Turing test... but they will never be either intelligent or conscious. "
best stick to saying you 'assume' than say it will 'never' dont ya think? |
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"best stick to saying you 'assume' than say it will 'never' dont ya think?"
I can't see why. I don't need to limit myself to assuming that Santa Claus doesn't exist. I'm pretty confident he doesn't. If we dress him up in shiny metal clothing and put a red light on his head this doesn't make him any more scientific or plausible. The same goes for AI and all that other stuff. They are figments of our cultural imagination.
Plus... to be honest I don't really care either way... its not like the possibility of a hologram being invented 20 million years in the future is all that important... so I'm happy sticking with my impossible for now
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"Some people have really good ideas about why we are here and it's for a purpose but i never understand any of them or know if they're true or not. The universe exists, but we don't know why and are trying to find out. Maybe we'll never find out, maybe we're not meant to. Idk.
It tends to be assumed that, by believing in a god, God will provide that ultimate meaning. However, recently I thought "what about God's meaning?" and realised that God doesn't have a god to turn to to provide God with meaning. This puzzled me greatly for a while until it dawned on me that perhaps this whole concept of "meaning" is something quite peculiarly human.
Perhaps love and being is meaning enough "
Yeah God doesn't really provide any answers to me. He created the universe using simple steps that answer nothing really.
Religions don't really provide any answers, they provide a set of rules that work in some ways and give people a way of living life, but there's no proof they're our true purpose or what we should do with our lives.
Dunno really. If there is an after life i will still be floating around not knowing why or wtf is going on. |
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I heard the radio interview last night where a lady robotic developer got into the stereotypes that only men want sex (and therefore only female sexbots being planned) and the men are the ones who go to prostitutes whereas women only do sex as part of a full relationship (hence they don;t go to male prostitutes) and can manage without if they are between partners.
So women won't want a sex robot? (and they never buy sex toys for solo play?)
Perhaps she is right, we blokes are just animals.... for a reason (maybe?) |
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