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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Has anyone any experience if these?
Having been through the assessment today the engineer came round to look at installation. Boiler is going into same location, he wanted £836 up front.
To have the flue through the kitchen roof took the bill to £1400+ 
They are getting £2000 from the government (the grant part), can't see a straight swap being £3400+?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have no experience of using the grant but it cost £1100 all in to replace our old clunker. Granted it wasn't a marquee brand of appliance but it's A rated and does the job for our little two up two down.
Suspect he's trying to have ya pants down |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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id get prices first of - then find out if you can have the grant and go back to the people you got quotes off - i think they less likely to 'addon' extras - |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It was a company claiming to give away free boilers, looking into Johnny balls advert it doesn't get much better.
I can't see how they can justify the price confused.com to say the least |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Get at least 3 quotes and the boiler you want, then see if a grant can reduce the bill. I paid £3500 for direct replacement rip out tank and top rated boiler for 4 bed house without any grant.
Having said that I would have done it differently with hind sight and a good plumber who designs the system rather than looks at the easiest way to get paid is a bonus! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Get at least 3 quotes and the boiler you want, then see if a grant can reduce the bill. I paid £3500 for direct replacement rip out tank and top rated boiler for 4 bed house without any grant.
Having said that I would have done it differently with hind sight and a good plumber who designs the system rather than looks at the easiest way to get paid is a bonus! "
Will get on that tomorrow, cheers bud |
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my boiler engineer said he only deals with combi,s now and has done for sometime, did,nt know they still did flue types out the roof either way he said the combi,s might last 8 years or more, the flue types longer than combi,s With the amount of scams aboutI,d seek advice before going any further. |
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"my boiler engineer said he only deals with combi,s now and has done for sometime, did,nt know they still did flue types out the roof either way he said the combi,s might last 8 years or more, the flue types longer than combi,s With the amount of scams aboutI,d seek advice before going any further. "
It is a combo, the chimney part (what I call a flue) needs to go through the roof etc |
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"my boiler engineer said he only deals with combi,s now and has done for sometime, did,nt know they still did flue types out the roof either way he said the combi,s might last 8 years or more, the flue types longer than combi,s With the amount of scams aboutI,d seek advice before going any further.
It is a combo, the chimney part (what I call a flue) needs to go through the roof etc"
What's the make and model of the combi?
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"my boiler engineer said he only deals with combi,s now and has done for sometime, did,nt know they still did flue types out the roof either way he said the combi,s might last 8 years or more, the flue types longer than combi,s With the amount of scams aboutI,d seek advice before going any further.
It is a combo, the chimney part (what I call a flue) needs to go through the roof etc
What's the make and model of the combi?
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Ferroli Optimax HE31C |
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"Get at least 3 quotes and the boiler you want, then see if a grant can reduce the bill. "
^^^ This, I always get 3-5 quotes for any work I carry out at home lets me get different opinions...and if they are all saying the same thing for the same price then you're much more confident you are doing the right thing.
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I don't spend tons of money on anything without multiple quotes, including from standard places - in this instance British Gas for gas stuff. Id expect to negotiate independent suppliers quotes downwards and get exactly the product I want.
Stops them mimicking top retailers quotes but shifting grade B gear or worse.
Also ensure the after sales warranty is at least as good. Aim for some service and maintenance to be included in what's paid.
Lower the price to an agreeable level then highlight the extras you'd need as standard, like they do in pc world etc.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone any experience if these?
Having been through the assessment today the engineer came round to look at installation. Boiler is going into same location, he wanted £836 up front.
To have the flue through the kitchen roof took the bill to £1400+
They are getting £2000 from the government (the grant part), can't see a straight swap being £3400+?
Advice is welcome "
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Is the grant coming through your energy supplier?.
There's a great deal of... Conning goes on with boiler grants!
Ferrolis aren't a bad boiler(middle of the road price wise), nearly every domestic boiler is A rated these days, so don't read to much into that!
A flue going through your roof will cost a fair bit extra but check you have to (there's certain regs that don't allow the flue to close to doors/windows/front of buildings etc etc.
Either way get three quotes and compare |
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got my boiler through eon under the green deal didn't have to pay a penny also had my loft done on a freebie could have had free solar panels if my roof was south facing the only thing i couldn't get on a freebie was double glazing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ferroli are not that good a boiler.
If I was fitting a new boiler for someone I would go for a baxi or baxi main.
Can I ask why does the flue have to go through the roof is there no outside wall. Were the new boiler is being fitted
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No grants as far as I am aware, only if your on benefits or oap. Ferroli are not a good make. Get 3 estimates as suggested and always, always use someone who comes recommended.
Brit Gas will always use the ' scrappage scheme' but then load the price.
Straight combi swap circa £1700.00 inc programmable wireless room stat, filter etc.
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"my boiler engineer said he only deals with combi,s now and has done for sometime, did,nt know they still did flue types out the roof either way he said the combi,s might last 8 years or more, the flue types longer than combi,s With the amount of scams aboutI,d seek advice before going any further.
It is a combo, the chimney part (what I call a flue) needs to go through the roof etc
What's the make and model of the combi?
Ferroli Optimax HE31C"
Not sure where your from but the ferroli is not one I would recommend to amyone I use only vaillant or worcester
Which would be almost double the cost of a ferroli but would still be under 3400 for a swap even through a roof .....probably 2.8 all in |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Thanks for all the response, it was going to go through the roof as since the boiler packed up I put a pergola outside. And it's not in keeping with regs as its got a roof on.
I got a quote from help link, £2233 all in that's a Worcester Bosch with filter n wall mounted control.
British Gas wouldn't change it even though I qualify because although the boiler is fucked. It's still rated A as energy efficient, I've been told by three plumbers it's not a viable repair but B Gas wouldn't budge grrrr |
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The free boiler scheme ECO (Energy Company Obligation) was set up to help fuel poor families but you have to meet certain criteria to qualify, you also need a EPC doing on your property. From the EPC a calculation can be obtained to the carbon saving having a new boiler would produce. When the scheme was first introduced installers where getting around 17p per unit of carbon saved where as now its around 6p so their is a short fall which you would have to meet. At one stage this would be covered by the Green Deal which you paid back through the saving on your meter but that's gone now.
New boilers have fanned flues on them so don't have to go on an outside wall but new legislation has been brought out where if a flue is boxed in it has to have an inspection hatch fitted every 1.5 meters so i would suggest if it cant go on an outside wall take it through the roof with an additional cost of around £400 depending on how many flue extensions you need.
If your going for a cheap boiler remember these are usually more costly to repair as the manufacturers sell them at a loss because they know they're going to make money on the parts. I usually fit, Main, Ideal, Baxi or Vaillant. What you want though is to try and get the best warranty you can as all boilers have a life span of around 10 years now as their as so many moving parts.
If your getting quoted don't be suckered in by people saying your getting a free thermostat, flush or filter. The manufacturers instructions says a filter must be fitted for the warranty, the building regs says the system must be flushed and the high efficiency regs state that an interlock must be provided to the boiler and this is the thermostat so all them free things have to be done anyway to meet the regulations.
If you have a combi boiler already fitted you want to be paying between £1000 and £1400 for a boiler without any grants, if not its going to be between £1600 and £2000 any more and I'd seriously get some more quotes
Sorry its long winded but their seem to be conflicting advise on here. I am a Gas Safe and Green Deal installer and have been for the past 30 years |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
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Yep. What plumber above just said.
I paid just under £2000 for new Baxi boiler, old tank removed, room thermostat digital thingy and new shower , cos old one wasn't compatible. Prices vary from area to area. Get quotes and go for a good make. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Did our boiler nearly a year ago.
Bought the boiler and flue myself, paid about £800 and then £250 fitted and tested with a magnaclean thrown in 
It's a baxi duotec with a 7 year warranty  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Did our boiler nearly a year ago.
Bought the boiler and flue myself, paid about £800 and then £250 fitted and tested with a magnaclean thrown in
It's a baxi duotec with a 7 year warranty "
if the installer wasn't registered with Baxi its only a 2 year warranty, it's worth checking |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The free boiler scheme ECO (Energy Company Obligation) was set up to help fuel poor families but you have to meet certain criteria to qualify, you also need a EPC doing on your property. From the EPC a calculation can be obtained to the carbon saving having a new boiler would produce. When the scheme was first introduced installers where getting around 17p per unit of carbon saved where as now its around 6p so their is a short fall which you would have to meet. At one stage this would be covered by the Green Deal which you paid back through the saving on your meter but that's gone now.
New boilers have fanned flues on them so don't have to go on an outside wall but new legislation has been brought out where if a flue is boxed in it has to have an inspection hatch fitted every 1.5 meters so i would suggest if it cant go on an outside wall take it through the roof with an additional cost of around £400 depending on how many flue extensions you need.
If your going for a cheap boiler remember these are usually more costly to repair as the manufacturers sell them at a loss because they know they're going to make money on the parts. I usually fit, Main, Ideal, Baxi or Vaillant. What you want though is to try and get the best warranty you can as all boilers have a life span of around 10 years now as their as so many moving parts.
If your getting quoted don't be suckered in by people saying your getting a free thermostat, flush or filter. The manufacturers instructions says a filter must be fitted for the warranty, the building regs says the system must be flushed and the high efficiency regs state that an interlock must be provided to the boiler and this is the thermostat so all them free things have to be done anyway to meet the regulations.
If you have a combi boiler already fitted you want to be paying between £1000 and £1400 for a boiler without any grants, if not its going to be between £1600 and £2000 any more and I'd seriously get some more quotes
Sorry its long winded but their seem to be conflicting advise on here. I am a Gas Safe and Green Deal installer and have been for the past 30 years"
Totally agree, I work on site/house renovations, and this is the best reply. |
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