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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What does people think of there actions in Paris..at a muslim event

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's the story?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What does people think of there actions in Paris..at a muslim event "

What do you think? Do you think it is fair protest or a slight against Muslims?

Muslim event or not, in my opinion, I don't think showing your boobs really advances their cause to outlaw sexism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not sure of this particular story, but my main thought about them is usually how come they're all identikit looking (attractive young women with small pert breasts)?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure of this particular story, but my main thought about them is usually how come they're all identikit looking (attractive young women with small pert breasts)?"

I had no idea what this was all about full stop but your comment made me Google. Yep you're not wrong about that, I wonder why that is the case? I'm sure their cause is shared by a wide cross section of women but it does seem odd that there's only one type doing the public protests? I wonder if they're hand chosen or just generally representative of the cause?

Good spot!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Quite a nasty reaction as well once they were being escorted out...talk about a gentle faith..rubbish...there true colours came out...and my opinion is yes good luck to them...i think it makes a statement against the muslim faith and how women are perceived

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80Qnrs1-fA

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure of this particular story, but my main thought about them is usually how come they're all identikit looking (attractive young women with small pert breasts)?

Good spot! "

No idea, but it always distracts me from the message wondering about it!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Quite a nasty reaction as well once they were being escorted out...talk about a gentle faith..rubbish...there true colours came out...and my opinion is yes good luck to them...i think it makes a statement against the muslim faith and how women are perceived "

Does it bollocks!!! If they got their tits out at a WI convention they would be dragged off the stage just the same. They went there to cause offence, sod all to do with how women are perceived in Islam.

If they turned up at your kids school and protested like that because they thought the imposing of uniforms takes away children's human rights would you be all for that or would you call them all the names under the sun for being topless in an environment where it would cause offence?

Not everything done against Muslims is a good thing. Just because it's this month's top band waging doesn't mean you have to jump on it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Not everything done against Muslims is a good thing. Just because it's this month's top band waging doesn't mean you have to jump on it. "

Dragged..have you even watched the video

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just watched the YouTube video...the manner in which they were removed was fine except one audience member was too heavy handed.

The protest, in my view, was ridiculous. Trying to get a point across by showing your tits just makes me think how brainless they are. All people end up talking about, which is evidenced in this thread, are semi naked women and not the cause they are trying to champion.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Yes I have. They were removed from the stage and resisted because they didn't want to be.

Yes, clearly some kicks can be seen to be made by some of the crowd that rushed the stage to remove them but we cannot see if the women were kicking out or not as well. I suspect they were but obviously was not there to corroborate my suspicions.

It's shocking to see but would your outrage be the same if it were 2 male demonstrators that had been removed in that way or is it just because they had breasts?

Of course violence is never condoned but it happens and it happens more so when you deliberately go and wind people up as was their intention. As it's all over YouTube I can only imagine the French police will be involved and any crimes punished.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's be honest, it;s given you an excuse to slag off muslims again so of course you support them.

Had you even heard of them before today?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That youtube clip showed nothing really.

The reason why they have their tits out is because they're illegal, they're saying fuck you for making our bodies illegal. The video even blurred them out, if that was a guys chest they wouldn't have done that.

They're a political movement, they protest at a lot of conferences where they see as womens issues being discussed by men, this one was about wife beating.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"That youtube clip showed nothing really.

They're a political movement, they protest at a lot of conferences where they see as womens issues being discussed by men, this one was about wife beating."

I think some have missed that point you make

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That youtube clip showed nothing really.

They're a political movement, they protest at a lot of conferences where they see as womens issues being discussed by men, this one was about wife beating.

I think some have missed that point you make "

I think men can discuss these issues too, but it's kind of weird they'd exclude women from the discussion (not sure if they did exclude women coz the media never reports anything properly, but i'm presuming so because of my last post and the fact that femen protest at men discussing this stuff on their behalf).

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80Qnrs1-fA

The behaviour of some of the men is shocking and way over the top. When one of the women appears to fall over can see 2 or 3 of the men putting the boot in. Is that level of violence against women ever justified?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80Qnrs1-fA

And that 2nd girl got slapped round the head first.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"That youtube clip showed nothing really.

They're a political movement, they protest at a lot of conferences where they see as womens issues being discussed by men, this one was about wife beating.

I think some have missed that point you make

There were women in the crowd on the video clip.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c80Qnrs1-fA

Why just against women? They sounded fairly angry when grabbing microphone,I doubt the just layed there being dragged off stage,pretty sure their legs were flying too. Is this one of those one sided equality things? We want the right to show our breasts at people who we know will find it offensive but if we kick out at you you cannot retaliate because we are women and should be treated differently?

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple over a year ago

near cardiff

To me, any religion is infinitely more offensive than breasts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

FEMEN wasn't that the group with the really creepy old guy who used to be in charge who was blatantly all about just seeing women's tits?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That youtube clip showed nothing really.

How about if it was a guys cock?

I doubt a bunch of men flashing their junk at a crowd would be seen in a positive light.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Still missing the point...the level of violence showed against these two women was appalling

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Still missing the point...the level of violence showed against these two women was appalling "

If they had been men with their cocks our would it have been as appalling.

Honestly if this had never happens but instead dyou were show a video of some guys running up and flashing would you view the reaction differently?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Still missing the point...the level of violence showed against these two women was appalling

If they had been men with their cocks our would it have been as appalling.

Honestly if this had never happens but instead dyou were show a video of some guys running up and flashing would you view the reaction differently? "

Of course it would had mattered..any violence against anyone is not good..and your still missing the point...do some research

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What does people think of there actions in Paris..at a muslim event

What do you think? Do you think it is fair protest or a slight against Muslims?

Muslim event or not, in my opinion, I don't think showing your boobs really advances their cause to outlaw sexism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If people want to cover then cover , if people want to be naked be naked but do it in the right place .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Still missing the point...the level of violence showed against these two women was appalling

Honestly if this had never happens but instead dyou were show a video of some guys running up and flashing would you view the reaction differently?

Of course it would had mattered..any violence against anyone is not good..and your still missing the point...do some research"

Did I say it wouldn't have mattered?

And I'm not missing the point nor do I need to do any research (you probably all should read up on the abuse the women face from this organisation if they don't go along with the topless sprotests before eyou gold them up so high)

You are however missing the question.

"If they had been men with their cocks our would it have been as appalling. "

Would your reaction and outrage be the same if this had been a bunch of flashing men?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html

For your research

"Initially, Mr Svyatski refused to allow Ms Green to film him but she was determined that he should feature. “It was a big moral thing for me because I realised how this organisation was run. He was quite horrible with the girls. He would scream at them and call them bitches.”

When the Femen founder finally spoke to Ms Green, he sought to justify his role within the organisation and acknowledged the paradox of being a “patriarch” running a feminist protest group. “These girls are weak,” he says in the film.

“They don’t have the strength of character. They don’t even have the desire to be strong. Instead, they show submissiveness, spinelessness, lack of punctuality, and many other factors which prevent them from becoming political activists. These are qualities which it was essential to teach them.”"

This last bit is particularly telling don't you think?

Mr Svyatski insists to Ms Green that his influence on the group is positive. However, when he is asked directly whether he started Femen “to get girls”, he replies: “Perhaps yes, somewhere in my deep subconscious.”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That youtube clip showed nothing really.

How about if it was a guys cock?

I doubt a bunch of men flashing their junk at a crowd would be seen in a positive light."

If they're nice cocks then i'd like it.

Seriously though i don't have hang ups about peoples bodies. Nudism is cool with me. I don't think we'd all be fucking each other in the street because of it. Plus like everyone's genitals are illegal and there's no sexist element to that law. But that's sad what i saw about the guy running it, if it's true.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

The Telegraph:

"... two fundamentalist preachers were discussing the question of “whether wives should be beaten or not” when the activists, aged 25 and 31, ripped off their Arab-style cloaks and jumped on to the stage on Saturday evening."

I wonder what the outcome of the discussion was

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The Telegraph:

I wonder what the outcome of the discussion was"

A minor detail lol...some people on here thought it was just about them flashing there tits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about if it was a guys cock?

I doubt a bunch of men flashing their junk at a crowd would be seen in a positive light."

It wouldn't be seen in a positive light I think the point is that men can walk around shirtless but women can't as it's seen as public nudity. Why should a guy's junk be equivalent to a woman's boobs? Shouldn't it be penis = vagina when it comes to public nudity? And since men can walk around shirtless in the summer why can't women do it? I could be wrong but I thought that was the whole point of the boobs out in public thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Islam don't teach oppression of woman this is a huge misconception , in fact before Islam woman had no right to vote or even to inheritance, female baby's where buried alive untill Islam stoped it , the fundamental problem is people confuse Islam with culture and traditions. Muslims and non have been doing this for years , Islam does practice modesty just as the tora and bible but on reading I'd say it was the lesser female oppressor out of the three main religions .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Islam don't teach oppression of woman this is a huge misconception , in fact before Islam woman had no right to vote or even to inheritance, female baby's where buried alive untill Islam stoped it , the fundamental problem is people confuse Islam with culture and traditions. Muslims and non have been doing this for years , Islam does practice modesty just as the tora and bible but on reading I'd say it was the lesser female oppressor out of the three main religions . "

It also says their testimony is worth half that of a man and can't be used in relation to business deals/contracts because women can't understand them.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

It also says their testimony is worth half that of a man and can't be used in relation to business deals/contracts because women can't understand them."

ssshhh; keep quiet; its a progressive non-violent all-embracing religion. The outcome of the conference was probably that wives should not be beaten tooooo much but beating up female activists is AOK

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It also says their testimony is worth half that of a man and can't be used in relation to business deals/contracts because women can't understand them.

ssshhh; keep quiet; its a progressive non-violent all-embracing religion. The outcome of the conference was probably that wives should not be beaten tooooo much but beating up female activists is AOK

Yes lets not mention the possible 10 guys virtually beating up that activist..and that was on cam..im wondering what happened once they got backstage

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

For anyone who wants to know what it really means in regards to "beat" .

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

A few men got hold of the women and dragged them off and could have done that without other men kicking hell out of them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It also says their testimony is worth half that of a man and can't be used in relation to business deals/contracts because women can't understand them.

ssshhh; keep quiet; its a progressive non-violent all-embracing religion. The outcome of the conference was probably that wives should not be beaten tooooo much but beating up female activists is AOK

Yes lets not mention the possible 10 guys virtually beating up that activist..and that was on cam..im wondering what happened once they got backstage "

And you saw this did you ? Sounds like here-say

Show me any talk debate or chats show or even sport where a streaker would not get rushed by security .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It also says their testimony is worth half that of a man and can't be used in relation to business deals/contracts because women can't understand them.

ssshhh; keep quiet; its a progressive non-violent all-embracing religion. The outcome of the conference was probably that wives should not be beaten tooooo much but beating up female activists is AOK

Yes lets not mention the possible 10 guys virtually beating up that activist..and that was on cam..im wondering what happened once they got backstage

And you saw this did you ? Sounds like here-say

Show me any talk debate or chats show or even sport where a streaker would not get rushed by security ."

My friend they got more than rushed...and yes the video is out there on the net...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My friend taking your clothes of in front of a people that practice modesty as part of there worship towards there creator is not the most intelligent thing to do , granted the same faith should be practicing tolerance but people act on impulse , there may have been children in the audience , all I'm saying is so much can be gained from learning and respecting each other's differences , and there has never been a better time in history to start then now .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"My friend taking your clothes of in front of a people that practice modesty as part of there worship towards there creator is not the most intelligent thing to do , granted the same faith should be practicing tolerance but people act on impulse , there may have been children in the audience , all I'm saying is so much can be gained from learning and respecting each other's differences , and there has never been a better time in history to start then now . "

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well . "

I think your moving off track my friend...you not can excuse the violence what was shown to those activists on camera....what bit do you not get that they were protesting at violence towards women...they interrupted that

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well . "

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted"

Me too..and to think we have people in this country attempting to defend there actions towards these women...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I will defend there actions , they had no right to gate crash a lecture maybe if they had sat and listened istead of trying to get famous they might have educated themselves .

Peace cannot be kept by force it may only be achieved by understanding .( Albert Einstein)

I'm sure if the muslim men had got a kick in for gate crashing the femenist lecture you would all be a lot more understand , maybe it's time we all had a little look at our selves I'm starting to see a pattern here .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted"

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind ."

Never expect people to watch videos for discussions. People generally like to stay in the forums and read your own words.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I will defend there actions , they had no right to gate crash a lecture maybe if they had sat and listened istead of trying to get famous they might have educated themselves .

Peace cannot be kept by force it may only be achieved by understanding .( Albert Einstein)

I think its been duly noticed you are.

But peace can be forced by beating up women...see thats what your missing...they were discussing how much violence in right to use against women...but thats ok then

I'm against any violence and if it involved violence then yes i would

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind ."

I don't need to watch videos to understand the correct level of violence my partner is justified to use against me because of some mitigating circumstances. I am a European woman living in Europe and I know that my laws protect me from this kind of barbarism. No video is going to change my mind

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I think he totally misses the point...and im just glad im atheist..and dont follow any book

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I think he totally misses the point...and im just glad im atheist..and dont follow any book "

It may be a cultural thing with him. Basic human rights are almost non-existent in those countries and women are treated like yesterdays garbage. I see that in the actions of men from there attending swinging clubs in London

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable"

The point is the beating of a woman is misinterpreted you all would have seen that if you had watched it , but for fear of understanding others you don't want to , you can gang up all you want and you can you whatever proper-gander type means you like , but I personally know loads of muslim men and none of them beat there woman , I wanted you to see the vid as it is by a muslim for Muslims , but then that might all mean your wrong about it and we can't have that can we .

I shared because I cared , it's not to make some point or prove I'm right , it was simply to try and bring people a tad closer through understanding .

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable

I shared because I cared , it's not to make some point or prove I'm right , it was simply to try and bring people a tad closer through understanding .

Pray, do tell me what it is in your religion which I need to understand? We have OUR laws here; that all I need to understand. You need to understand OUR laws and abide by those; not the other way around

Hitting women, or for that matter, anyone else, is a criminal offence; those who don't like to accept and abide by that law can go to places where this kind of behaviour is acceptable

It was your men who were pontificating on the finer points of wife-beating; not ours. They then escalated it to a whole new level by beating up the female protestor

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable

I shared because I cared , it's not to make some point or prove I'm right , it was simply to try and bring people a tad closer through understanding .

Hitting women, or for that matter, anyone else, is a criminal offence; those who don't like to accept and abide by that law can go to places where this kind of behaviour is acceptable

It was your men who were pontificating on the finer points of wife-beating; not ours. They then escalated it to a whole new level by beating up the female protestor"

A point he either misses or ignores

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

I did listen to it then found another ( there are a few )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

Both say to hit your wife if she has been disobedient but not to hit them so hard that it marks the skin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable

I shared because I cared , it's not to make some point or prove I'm right , it was simply to try and bring people a tad closer through understanding .

Hitting women, or for that matter, anyone else, is a criminal offence; those who don't like to accept and abide by that law can go to places where this kind of behaviour is acceptable

It was your men who were pontificating on the finer points of wife-beating; not ours. They then escalated it to a whole new level by beating up the female protestor"

In my religion ?? Wtf you can't just make shit up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

I did listen to it then found another ( there are a few )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

Both say to hit your wife if she has been disobedient but not to hit them so hard that it marks the skin."

But no different then a tap as a male or female might tap a partner on the shoulder "oh come on I said load the dish washer "nothing more , it wasn't telling guys they could beat there wife it was actually installing a boundary , a way of saying don't be heavy handed with your lady .

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

I did listen to it then found another ( there are a few )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs

Both say to hit your wife if she has been disobedient but not to hit them so hard that it marks the skin."

Phew; thank God for that; so the next time my boyfriend gives me tight slap across the face for going to a swinging club against his wishes, I should count myself bl**dy lucky. Atleast I didn't end up with a broken jaw or teeth

(Sorry, not answering to you; just making a flippant point)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And my friend a group of male men discussing whether there wifes should be beaten is a worthy cause...or is it

Well if there was any misinterpretation discussing it is proberbly the best way to clarify the truth .

http://youtu.be/QRgdEp8eWx4

This is a vid of a muslim man who used to be a priest he explains it very well .

In the Western world, we don't beat up people for taking their clothes off and beating up one's wife, girlfriend or partner is a criminal offence

This may all be the norm in Eastern countries but then they should keep it there. I hope they are prosecuted

You didn't watch the vid did you .

Never mind .

These Muslim men should either respect our laws or suffer the consequences or go back to where this kind of barbarism is acceptable

I shared because I cared , it's not to make some point or prove I'm right , it was simply to try and bring people a tad closer through understanding .

Hitting women, or for that matter, anyone else, is a criminal offence; those who don't like to accept and abide by that law can go to places where this kind of behaviour is acceptable

It was your men who were pontificating on the finer points of wife-beating; not ours. They then escalated it to a whole new level by beating up the female protestor

A point he either misses or ignores

My men ??? This is an incorrect assumption .

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Why would a man need telling this? Why would a partner need to "tap" you like a child when they think you have not loaded the dish washer?

Maybe listen to the one I posted, it says nothing about anything so trivial as that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a man need telling this? Why would a partner need to "tap" you like a child when they think you have not loaded the dish washer?

Maybe listen to the one I posted, it says nothing about anything so trivial as that."

My ex would always give me a minor tap with the back of her hand and say oi don't do that , or if I teased her , men by mature can be more heavy handed , is this not true . Is this about not liking men that hit woman or is it really about not liking Muslims , there is far worse written in the bible after all .

I see your point with your video absolutely but I think a lot is subject to interpretation and lost in translation , I would say all of the muslim guys I know from the gym and training all interpret it in the moderate way , so I will go with my majority and not single out a whole race of people .

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Why would a man need telling this? Why would a partner need to "tap" you like a child when they think you have not loaded the dish washer?

Maybe listen to the one I posted, it says nothing about anything so trivial as that.

To be fair, the video isn't talking about a playful scene between a partner and yourself. There were hundreds of men listening to the instructions of how to "deal" with their wives.

I think people are debating the point of hitting rather than if all Muslim men actually do it.

Your friends say they interpret it in a moderate way, what exactly do they do moderately?

PS I am not sure why your religion was brought up, as I didn't see you mention anything about yourself, just what you believe happens

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When I see Rugby has posted last in a thread I can help but take a look to see if it's been closed because of anything juicy going on.

I'm disappointed.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Nothing juicy here...move along, nothing to see

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

This is not about light 'taps'; this is about Muslim men debating the degree to which wife-beating is 'permissible'. And then beating up a female protestor

The same distaste would be levied agaist Catholic men, if they were 'debating' such a topic. And the same protests would take place

However, Catholic men don't debate that; only little Muslim men do who think they are physically superior; wrong; most of them won't even reach up to my tits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure of this particular story, but my main thought about them is usually how come they're all identikit looking (attractive young women with small pert breasts)?"

It's so the builders don't wolf whistle them and shout show us your tits love

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"This is not about light 'taps'; this is about Muslim men debating the degree to which wife-beating is 'permissible'. And then beating up a female protestor

The same distaste would be levied agaist Catholic men, if they were 'debating' such a topic. And the same protests would take place

However, Catholic men don't debate that; only little Muslim men do who think they are physically superior; wrong; most of them won't even reach up to my tits

I can't believe he is comparing light taps on the shoulder or whatever to what is shown in the footage, which is 2 or 3 men laying the boot in to a woman who has been dragged down to the ground.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

http://youtu.be/RMLoA-YLAMk

This is totally contradicts all that has been said against.

It is a leading scholar explaining sharia law.

But I share in vain don't I because really you don't want to understand, what you actually want to do is label all people with the same sticker .

I think it's a terrible shame hatred begets hatred.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is not about light 'taps'; this is about Muslim men debating the degree to which wife-beating is 'permissible'. And then beating up a female protestor

The same distaste would be levied agaist Catholic men, if they were 'debating' such a topic. And the same protests would take place

However, Catholic men don't debate that; only little Muslim men do who think they are physically superior; wrong; most of them won't even reach up to my tits

I can't believe he is comparing light taps on the shoulder or whatever to what is shown in the footage, which is 2 or 3 men laying the boot in to a woman who has been dragged down to the ground. "

I had actually already addressed the issue of the protesters being beaten and I had moved on to the question of whether or not Muslims believe it is right to beat a woman.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"This is not about light 'taps'; this is about Muslim men debating the degree to which wife-beating is 'permissible'. And then beating up a female protestor

The same distaste would be levied agaist Catholic men, if they were 'debating' such a topic. And the same protests would take place

However, Catholic men don't debate that; only little Muslim men do who think they are physically superior; wrong; most of them won't even reach up to my tits

I can't believe he is comparing light taps on the shoulder or whatever to what is shown in the footage, which is 2 or 3 men laying the boot in to a woman who has been dragged down to the ground.

I had actually already addressed the issue of the protesters being beaten and I had moved on to the question of whether or not Muslims believe it is right to beat a woman."

You are trying to justify your argument by making those comparisons.

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

did you know the Femen activist campaigns and all that they do is run by a man..

yes i was surprised too

i like women who are empowered individuals, happy in themselves standing by and joining circle with other women..

and women demanding feminism, being told how to get that by a man..is a total contradiction in terms..

as for the muslim event, if they were trying to put a point that they don't agree with women, being instructed how to be, live and act, by men, then i suggest, they look at their own organisation, and start there first..

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"did you know the Femen activist campaigns and all that they do is run by a man..

yes i was surprised too

i like women who are empowered individuals, happy in themselves standing by and joining circle with other women..

and women demanding feminism, being told how to get that by a man..is a total contradiction in terms..

It doesn't matter who it is run by

What matters is that they were assaulted in a European country where European laws take precedence over any other mickey-mouse laws

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"did you know the Femen activist campaigns and all that they do is run by a man..

yes i was surprised too

i like women who are empowered individuals, happy in themselves standing by and joining circle with other women..

and women demanding feminism, being told how to get that by a man..is a total contradiction in terms..

It doesn't matter who it is run by

What matters is that they were assaulted in a European country where European laws take precedence over any other mickey-mouse laws"

not the point..but thanks for your comment..xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gosh they are brave. That's all I can say.

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

Installing a boundary ? Doublespeak of the highest order.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"http://youtu.be/RMLoA-YLAMk

This is totally contradicts all that has been said against.

It is a leading scholar explaining sharia law.

But I share in vain don't I because really you don't want to understand, what you actually want to do is label all people with the same sticker .

I think it's a terrible shame hatred begets hatred."

I did ask what your friends did "moderately " but you didn't answer.

So another question....does the same rule apply to women, as in can they "tap" the men when they are being naughty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread teaches several lessons.

You should never hit your partner of either sex.

Religion needs to catch up if this point is still being debated.

They went way over the top ejecting them.

Jumping in feet first to a thread and tripping over yourself in an effort to appear "right on" makes you look an ass and a sycophant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"did you know the Femen activist campaigns and all that they do is run by a man..

yes i was surprised too

i like women who are empowered individuals, happy in themselves standing by and joining circle with other women..

and women demanding feminism, being told how to get that by a man..is a total contradiction in terms..

It doesn't matter who it is run by

What matters is that they were assaulted in a European country where European laws take precedence over any other mickey-mouse laws

not the point..but thanks for your comment..xx"

Very much the point...and i think its not who organises this movement its the reactions of the THUGS...yes thugs professing to be of a religious nature...and i would have the same opinion of any event were people were assaulted by thugs...whether they be Muslims or members of the EDL

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple over a year ago

near cardiff

Then why beat the protesters? If respecting each other's differences matters, then they would have ignored it. What you are saying is that people who are not of Muslim faith respect the Muslim dress code while Muslims do not have to respect a non-Muslim dress code. And while the argument continues over how lightly you can smack your wife before it becomes a problem this also demonstrates clearly how to treat women who are not your wife, which obviously isn't as pleasant. As to 'children in the audience' breasts are FOR CHILDREN, it's why they exist. It makes more sense to be offended by elbows, as they don't feed children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol feminist are just idiots. they are not fighting for women anymore. They are just a bunch of racist sexist bullies who will always hide behind the victim card.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Lol feminist are just idiots. they are not fighting for women anymore. They are just a bunch of racist sexist bullies who will always hide behind the victim card. "

Oh really are they..please tell how you come to this conclusion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol feminist are just idiots. they are not fighting for women anymore. They are just a bunch of racist sexist bullies who will always hide behind the victim card.

Oh really are they..please tell how you come to this conclusion

By observing them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol feminist are just idiots. they are not fighting for women anymore. They are just a bunch of racist sexist bullies who will always hide behind the victim card.

Oh really are they..please tell how you come to this conclusion

By observing them

Hope you're not looking to fuck any women because without femenists you'd have to be married to one (from their childhood) to be able to.

Or pay one.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

The poor b***tard was trying to look a Kool Masta' but has only succeeded in putting his foot straight in it. Unlikely any woman reading the forums, feminist or not, would want to come near him now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what do you suggest ban men from walking topless or allow women to walk topless cuz everyone knows if women start walking topless the number of rapes would go up dramatically

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what do you suggest ban men from walking topless or allow women to walk topless cuz everyone knows if women start walking topless the number of rapes would go up dramatically"

How would it?

Rapists are opportunists and manipulators. They don't really care about the value of another person anyway and only care about what they want. It's nothing to do with how another person presents themselves to the world because that person does not exist in their own right to the rapist, that person exists as an object to be used to fulfil their own needs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whatever the discussion was about is irrelevant like one poster said would you have tolerated these women showing and shouting that kinda stuff to your kids? I doubt it

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Whatever the discussion was about is irrelevant like one poster said would you have tolerated these women showing and shouting that kinda stuff to your kids? I doubt it"

Ofcourse not. Let the law of the jungle take over

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So you're saying that a topless woman does not or cannot arouse a man sexually? Last time I checked rapist have sex with there victims not just manipulate them for the fun of it

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Arousal is one thing; every guy I have had sex with was aroused but none of them raped me when I didn't want to do something or didn't want any more sex. Like I say, there are men and then there are jungle men. My preference is for men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you're saying that a topless woman does not or cannot arouse a man sexually? Last time I checked rapist have sex with there victims not just manipulate them for the fun of it"

But there are men who would rape someone, and then there are other men who may well be sexually aroused but wouldn't rape someone. I really don't think a pair of breasts is going to change a man from one category to the other.

I agree with the poster above who said it's about power, fear and control far more than sexual and arousal.

Otherwise surely only good looking sexually attractive women would be raped.

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