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"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,, "Perhaps the Liberals can try to occupy that space...? | |||
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"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,,
Perhaps the Liberals can try to occupy that space...?
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"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,,
Perhaps the Liberals can try to occupy that space...?
What are these Liberals the speak of "Lol...touché | |||
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"interest to see who wins the deputy leader contest.... there are a few i would have liked put their name forward for the big job... tom watson, caroline flint, my personal political crush stella creasy" Not keen on Tom Watson. I saw him on one of those select committees and thought his questioning was more grandstanding than anything else | |||
"interest to see who wins the deputy leader contest.... there are a few i would have liked put their name forward for the big job... tom watson, caroline flint, my personal political crush stella creasy" Stella looks far too sweet for politics. | |||
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"59% is unequivocal! Pounding the streets has worked for Corbyn, Khan and Watson! Now they all have to pull together. Corbyn is being very gracious about the other candidates too. " if they want to... i'd like to see burnham as shadow education... and cooper as shadow foreign sec.... the fallout begins... shadow health has just resigned | |||
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"I'm actually a little excited by the possibility of Corbyn winning. I'm hopeful he'll be an effective member of the opposition - even if that's all he'll ever be.... Good luck to all the candidates and may be the best, most sincere one win." and the winner is ,the next self absorbed person   | |||
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"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!!" Has he spoken clear as the day? | |||
"All a bit sycophantic on this thread so far. Where's your critical analysis gone guys? " Why is it sycophantic for those you know to be left leaning to post what they are thinking? Fuck, if I listed on the right wing threads that you are all being sycophants I'd be shouted down for being stupid because I don't share the same _iews. Analysis will come. The moment election results are announced are about immediacy. | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. " To run a party and importantly a government you need to be an all rounder JC has never worked in the real world and he needs to understand and learn from the Michael Foot syndrome in so far as you will never appeal to the majority when you have a narrow and selective _iew of the world around us | |||
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"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!! Has he spoken clear as the day? "identify one sentence of clarity. He was general in his appeal and shouted for most part of his narrative. A grammar school Prescott? | |||
"Hopefully it'll pave the way for an equally right wing leader of the conservative party."  | |||
"I'm actually a little excited by the possibility of Corbyn winning. I'm hopeful he'll be an effective member of the opposition - even if that's all he'll ever be.... Good luck to all the candidates and may be the best, most sincere one win." Liz Kendal is fit though - sadly she was at the bottom  | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. " I agree... I look forward to the coming weeks and months to see how Corbyns movement develops... I did not expect the margin to be so conclusive at all.... Let's see what you're made of Jeremy | |||
"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!! Has he spoken clear as the day? identify one sentence of clarity. He was general in his appeal and shouted for most part of his narrative. A grammar school Prescott?"Lol, you want specific policies during his victory speech?? Let him savour the moment...thank his friends...and stop being so miserable...not til Corbyn gives you a political reason to be such! | |||
"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,, "Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad. | |||
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"All a bit sycophantic on this thread so far. Where's your critical analysis gone guys? " what would you like.....  I think the size of the victory will actually stop some people like hunt, omunna and kendall from plotting some sort of parliamentry coup.... and hope it will change the minds of those in the centre who have said they wouldn't serve to change their minds...
i think the most intersting questions are who ended up as shadow chancellor and shadow defence....
i think it will actually end up being a fairly young shadow front bench.... i think the likes of creasy, flint, jarvis will end up getting big jobs.... jarvis at defence for example would be a no brainer...
i think he will try to put people in positions where they have a passion... so burnham at education makes sense, cooper driving the refugee crisis would be a fit as shadow foreign sec.... even ed milliband at enviroment makes sense...
i don't think there will be many hard left mp's on the front bench as i first thought.... I think it is a wake up call to the mp's is a fair bit out of touch with the activists... | |||
"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!! Has he spoken clear as the day? identify one sentence of clarity. He was general in his appeal and shouted for most part of his narrative. A grammar school Prescott?
Lol, you want specific policies during his victory speech??
Let him savour the moment...thank his friends...and stop being so miserable...not til Corbyn gives you a political reason to be such!"good point! Well made. However the election of JC has just handed the Tories power for the next 10 years. | |||
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"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder......" I dont think it has,if Corbyn was leader of the Scottish labour party he would do very well indeed with his ideas, but Kezia Dugdale and her cronies dont have a clue and will continue in the same vein as Murphy etc, they just don't get what has happened to politics up here and if they haven't yet then they never will the SNP will have another landslide victory in our election next year and I will look forward to that I like Corbyn and what he stands for, but even with 60% of the vote the heavy hitters in the labour party, media and business won't like him being in charge, sadly I don't think he will be about too long, I think it's a real shame as it's nice to see someone offering an alternative | |||
"Hopefully it'll pave the way for an equally right wing leader of the conservative party. "Is that even possible?... you'd have to be Attila the Hun to be more right wing than Cameron. | |||
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"To run a party and importantly a government you need to be an all rounder JC has never worked in the real world" Is this post for real? Do you know who is sitting in the cabinet of our UK government today? You couldn't get any further from not having had real jobs or any connection to the real world if you tried!  | |||
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"Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad." When you read a post like this, it's clear that people know nothing about politics beyond what they read in the headlines. The Labour Party as was represented ZERO OPPOSITION to any of the above, in fact, they were seeking to facilitate it. As of today, we have the prospect of a rejuvenated party that not only present a genuine OPPOSITION to Tory policies, but also have the strongest chance in a decade of taking the power to make that opposition count. The Conservative Party are not rubbing their hands today, they are genuinely petrified by this result. It is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. Finally we will have an opposition party prepared to expose their lies on austerity economics, and they know it. Be prepared for the most savage media onslaught against a political party that most people here will ever have witnessed, for as long as Corbyn is leader. If you think UKIP got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Smell the fear! | |||
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"British politics are exciting again, I think middle England over the last 30 years done an extremely bad job the country flogged off all the good done before 1979 and wasted it along with North sea oil, and young people should be livid, why should they pay to go to university, we never did. I really hope those Tories who registered and voted for him get what they voted for. Lets get some fire back into politics and kick out these useless, lets do nothing brigade." Just in case you had forgotten. The country was to all intents and purposes bankrupt in 1979. As for all the good before '79? Let me see. Oh yes. Bailed out by the IMF. State owned British Leyland building cars (and I use that word loosely) that were out of date, unreliable, poorly equipped, expensive, and that nobody wanted. State owned British Steel that carried on making expensive steel that they couldn't sell and cost the taxpayer over a million quid a day in subsidies, and that was at 70's prices. Power cuts. Three day week. Dead bodies in freezer trucks. Mountains of rubbish in the streets. Not a bit of litter but mountains of bin bags over six feet high. Six months to get a telephone connected. They are just the ones I can remember in a few minutes. About the only decent thing that came out of the 70's was the music. Trust me I was there. | |||
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"And just in case you've forgotten, it's 2015, not 1973. The comparisons don't even exist." I tried that the last time there was a thread where someone started whingeing about Thatcher, and it didn't work then either. | |||
"Hopefully it'll pave the way for an equally right wing leader of the conservative party." You planning to exhume Hitler, or maybe he isn't far right enough? | |||
"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!! Has he spoken clear as the day? identify one sentence of clarity. He was general in his appeal and shouted for most part of his narrative. A grammar school Prescott?
Lol, you want specific policies during his victory speech??
Let him savour the moment...thank his friends...and stop being so miserable...not til Corbyn gives you a political reason to be such! good point! Well made. However the election of JC has just handed the Tories power for the next 10 years. "Do you seriously think electing any of the others would ensure a Labour party able to beat BoJo? Give the man a chance to be the leader and then decide in FIVE years whether you want him as PM. | |||
"Hopefully it'll pave the way for an equally right wing leader of the conservative party.
Is that even possible?... you'd have to be Attila the Hun to be more right wing than Cameron. "BoJo is more right wing than Cameron. The question for him is whether he has missed his chance. | |||
"The trade unions are rubbing their hands and working out strike tactics as we write. Good job we have a party in power that will enact legislation to stop them" If the unions decide to strike, there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop them. You can't imprison the 1,420,000 members of UNITE. Unity is strength. | |||
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"And just in case you've forgotten, it's 2015, not 1973. The comparisons don't even exist. I tried that the last time there was a thread where someone started whingeing about Thatcher, and it didn't work then either." I keep trying to. The young people I know, who weren't even twinkles in anyone's eye in the 70s, tell me that this is the 21st Century and we should stop talking about it like nothing has changed. I look to their activism as they are the ones who will be paying my pension. | |||
"The trade unions are rubbing their hands and working out strike tactics as we write. Good job we have a party in power that will enact legislation to stop them If the unions decide to strike, there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop them. You can't imprison the 1,420,000 members of UNITE. Unity is strength." | |||
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"The trade unions are rubbing their hands and working out strike tactics as we write. Good job we have a party in power that will enact legislation to stop them If the unions decide to strike, there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop them. You can't imprison the 1,420,000 members of UNITE. Unity is strength." Who said it's not 1973? | |||
"And just in case you've forgotten, it's 2015, not 1973. The comparisons don't even exist. I tried that the last time there was a thread where someone started whingeing about Thatcher, and it didn't work then either. I keep trying to. The young people I know, who weren't even twinkles in anyone's eye in the 70s, tell me that this is the 21st Century and we should stop talking about it like nothing has changed. I look to their activism as they are the ones who will be paying my pension. " Good for them, I agree! | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder......" Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. | |||
" The trade unions are rubbing their hands and working out strike tactics as we write. Good job we have a party in power that will enact legislation to stop them If the unions decide to strike, there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop them. You can't imprison the 1,420,000 members of UNITE. Unity is strength. Will it be a show of hands in the car park ? " There's better things than hands to show in car parks. | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. I agree... I look forward to the coming weeks and months to see how Corbyns movement develops... I did not expect the margin to be so conclusive at all.... Let's see what you're made of Jeremy " You didn't, really? It comes as no surprise to me. A rebellious voice, calling out to those that feel dispossessed, telling them what they want hear; was bound to have a large appeal. The problem comes when he can't actually deliver. Either because he can't get elected or, in the unlikely event that things really go tits and he does get elected, just ends up making things worse like Tsipras in Greece. | |||
" It comes as no surprise to me. A rebellious voice, calling out to those that feel dispossessed, telling them what they want hear; was bound to have a large appeal. ." serves Nicola well, for now | |||
Oh, and Priti Patel is telling anyone who will listen what a threat the UK now faces, too. Give Jezzer a chance, he's only had the job a few hours! | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. I agree... I look forward to the coming weeks and months to see how Corbyns movement develops... I did not expect the margin to be so conclusive at all.... Let's see what you're made of Jeremy You didn't, really? It comes as no surprise to me. A rebellious voice, calling out to those that feel dispossessed, telling them what they want hear; was bound to have a large appeal. The problem comes when he can't actually deliver. Either because he can't get elected or, in the unlikely event that things really go tits and he does get elected, just ends up making things worse like Tsipras in Greece." The Conservative Party don't seem to be as convinced of his up electability as you are. | |||
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"Spookily just put on the radio ................Pearl Jam...........Jeremy!!!! Has he spoken clear as the day? identify one sentence of clarity. He was general in his appeal and shouted for most part of his narrative. A grammar school Prescott?"Prescott maybe a bit of a boggy man to committed Tories but to the less than committed he had quite a strong appeal. Down to earth, honest and taking no shit from anybody (remember the egg to ear incident). Don't assume that JC won't have a similar appeal to some. He's clearly appealing to quite a lot of left leaning people. | |||
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"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,, Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad."I'm not sure that's the most likely outcome. Whilst it is a possible danger I think the best move, from a strategic point of _iew, for the conservatives would be to move more towards the centre, especially as the LibDems have also moved of to the left to. A move by the Conservatives to the centre could force Labour even further leftward and make them even more unelectable. We've already seen indications of this with things like the living/minimum wage. | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. I agree... I look forward to the coming weeks and months to see how Corbyns movement develops... I did not expect the margin to be so conclusive at all.... Let's see what you're made of Jeremy You didn't, really? It comes as no surprise to me. A rebellious voice, calling out to those that feel dispossessed, telling them what they want hear; was bound to have a large appeal. The problem comes when he can't actually deliver. Either because he can't get elected or, in the unlikely event that things really go tits and he does get elected, just ends up making things worse like Tsipras in Greece." The problem comes IF he can't deliver... Let us wait and see.... I'm looking forward to the next 6 months.... If grassroots activism recieves an adrenaline shot, and more people become politically active, as a result of this election, it can be a very good thing for the country. | |||
" I'm not sure that's the most likely outcome. Whilst it is a possible danger I think the best move, from a strategic point of _iew, for the conservatives would be to move more towards the centre, especially as the LibDems have also moved of to the left to. A move by the Conservatives to the centre could force Labour even further leftward and make them even more unelectable. We've already seen indications of this with things like the living/minimum wage." Corbyn causing the conservatives to shift leftward from their current position would satisfy many, I feel, and it suggests labour will have significant influence on policy simply because they've elected JC. | |||
" I'm not sure that's the most likely outcome. Whilst it is a possible danger I think the best move, from a strategic point of _iew, for the conservatives would be to move more towards the centre, especially as the LibDems have also moved of to the left to. A move by the Conservatives to the centre could force Labour even further leftward and make them even more unelectable. We've already seen indications of this with things like the living/minimum wage. Corbyn causing the conservatives to shift leftward from their current position would satisfy many, I feel, and it suggests labour will have significant influence on policy simply because they've elected JC. " Of course. That's the whole point of a strong opposition, and when you have a Labour Party driven by Tory-lites, a strong opposition is exactly what you don't have. Can't wait for Corbyn's first PMQs. What's the betting Dave is mysteriously off sick on the day? | |||
"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,, Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad.
I'm not sure that's the most likely outcome. Whilst it is a possible danger I think the best move, from a strategic point of _iew, for the conservatives would be to move more towards the centre, especially as the LibDems have also moved of to the left to. A move by the Conservatives to the centre could force Labour even further leftward and make them even more unelectable.
We've already seen indications of this with things like the living/minimum wage."The notion of the Tories moving towards the centre ground is ridiculous. Their new found enthusiasm for living/ minimum wage is only about trying to save money on working tax credits (as shown by IDS's outburst of joy). The Tories are to the right of Atilla the Hun and moving further right by the day. | |||
"Lets see how he does, hes got alot of people interested that previously wherent, and actually packed out events! So if he could carry on with that and get people to vote for him, even if the tory voters stay the same there's another 85%? Of the electorate up for grabs" You need to take a closer look at the statistics. Most people who did not vote in the last election come from areas that traditional vote Labour. Getting them back to voting Labour is only going to increase the Labour majority in seats it already holds. To win a general election Labour have to get ex LibDems and, more importantly, some former Conservative voters to vote Labour in areas like Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them. | |||
"So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them." He's been Labour leader for a few hours. Give him a chance before writing him off. | |||
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"Will be the first to admit that im not a labour party supporter but it will be very interesting to see how it all works out ,,,,,, will certainly be a very interesting general election next time around ,,,,,, have to say the thing that slightly concerns me is that if Labour go to far to the left then the current government will think that the next election will be an easy victory and start pushing through even more harsh monetary savings ,,,, what we need is a party with 'centre' politics ,,,,,, Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad.
I'm not sure that's the most likely outcome. Whilst it is a possible danger I think the best move, from a strategic point of _iew, for the conservatives would be to move more towards the centre, especially as the LibDems have also moved of to the left to. A move by the Conservatives to the centre could force Labour even further leftward and make them even more unelectable.
We've already seen indications of this with things like the living/minimum wage.
The notion of the Tories moving towards the centre ground is ridiculous. Their new found enthusiasm for living/ minimum wage is only about trying to save money on working tax credits (as shown by IDS's outburst of joy).
The Tories are to the right of Atilla the Hun and moving further right by the day."Atilla the Hun stood up to Rome when they came calling he's hardly a right wing benchmark. Poor Atilla. | |||
"Lets see how he does, hes got alot of people interested that previously wherent, and actually packed out events! So if he could carry on with that and get people to vote for him, even if the tory voters stay the same there's another 85%? Of the electorate up for grabs You need to take a closer look at the statistics. Most people who did not vote in the last election come from areas that traditional vote Labour. Getting them back to voting Labour is only going to increase the Labour majority in seats it already holds. To win a general election Labour have to get ex LibDems and, more importantly, some former Conservative voters to vote Labour in areas like Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them." Convincing Scottish voters that he has their interests at heart too would also help him. Let's give him and his team a chance....even forcing conservatives somewhat leftward a success. In other good news, mourinho looks well raggedy at the moment! | |||
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"Attila is a Tory Central Office poster boy." He would turn in his grave. | |||
"Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad. When you read a post like this, it's clear that people know nothing about politics beyond what they read in the headlines. The Labour Party as was represented ZERO OPPOSITION to any of the above, in fact, they were seeking to facilitate it. As of today, we have the prospect of a rejuvenated party that not only present a genuine OPPOSITION to Tory policies, but also have the strongest chance in a decade of taking the power to make that opposition count. The Conservative Party are not rubbing their hands today, they are genuinely petrified by this result. It is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. Finally we will have an opposition party prepared to expose their lies on austerity economics, and they know it. Be prepared for the most savage media onslaught against a political party that most people here will ever have witnessed, for as long as Corbyn is leader. If you think UKIP got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Smell the fear! "You really should listen more to what people actually tell you. No Tories I know are even slightly phased by JC. A little shocked, maybe. Some are a little worried that it may cause them (the Conservatives) to move too far to the right, others are a little worried it may cause them to move too far to the left in an effort to crap the now totally vacated centre ground. I can absolutely promise you none of them are even slightly worried that JC may actually win a General Election for Labour. In fact the biggest problem the Tories now think they may face is over confidence and complaisance. And trust me when I tell you I know these things for a fact. | |||
"The supposedly 'rubbing their hands with glee' Tories are hysterically attacking already, first up is reliably dopey Michael Fallon: "Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security. Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people. This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people." They are terrified! "No, really, they are not but they do want the nation to be terrified of a possible Labour election victory and JC at the head plays right into their hands. WAKE UP!! | |||
"The supposedly 'rubbing their hands with glee' Tories are hysterically attacking already, first up is reliably dopey Michael Fallon: "Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security. Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people. This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people." They are terrified!
No, really, they are not but they do want the nation to be terrified of a possible Labour election victory and JC at the head plays right into their hands. WAKE UP!!"You are so deluded, it's a joy to behold! | |||
"Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad. When you read a post like this, it's clear that people know nothing about politics beyond what they read in the headlines. The Labour Party as was represented ZERO OPPOSITION to any of the above, in fact, they were seeking to facilitate it. As of today, we have the prospect of a rejuvenated party that not only present a genuine OPPOSITION to Tory policies, but also have the strongest chance in a decade of taking the power to make that opposition count. The Conservative Party are not rubbing their hands today, they are genuinely petrified by this result. It is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. Finally we will have an opposition party prepared to expose their lies on austerity economics, and they know it. Be prepared for the most savage media onslaught against a political party that most people here will ever have witnessed, for as long as Corbyn is leader. If you think UKIP got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Smell the fear!
You really should listen more to what people actually tell you. No Tories I know are even slightly phased by JC. A little shocked, maybe. Some are a little worried that it may cause them (the Conservatives) to move too far to the right, others are a little worried it may cause them to move too far to the left in an effort to crap the now totally vacated centre ground.
I can absolutely promise you none of them are even slightly worried that JC may actually win a General Election for Labour. In fact the biggest problem the Tories now think they may face is over confidence and complaisance.
And trust me when I tell you I know these things for a fact."This I can believe...they are reacting to this like headless chickens who haven't got a clue what to think. Please feel free to reveal more of your 'facts'. | |||
"I think that was a good sppech. He won in every section of voters. Now he has the mandate he has to bring them together. I agree... I look forward to the coming weeks and months to see how Corbyns movement develops... I did not expect the margin to be so conclusive at all.... Let's see what you're made of Jeremy You didn't, really? It comes as no surprise to me. A rebellious voice, calling out to those that feel dispossessed, telling them what they want hear; was bound to have a large appeal. The problem comes when he can't actually deliver. Either because he can't get elected or, in the unlikely event that things really go tits and he does get elected, just ends up making things worse like Tsipras in Greece. The Conservative Party don't seem to be as convinced of his up electability as you are. "I can absolutely assure that they are, if anything even more so. In fact I'm a bit worried at how convinced they actually are that the next election is already won!! | |||
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"The supposedly 'rubbing their hands with glee' Tories are hysterically attacking already, first up is reliably dopey Michael Fallon: "Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security. Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people. This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people." They are terrified!
No, really, they are not but they do want the nation to be terrified of a possible Labour election victory and JC at the head plays right into their hands. WAKE UP!!
You are so deluded, it's a joy to behold! "Always glad to bring a little joy to anybody's life. Enjoy it while it lasts. | |||
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"I'm looking forward to seeing his policies and hopefully some decent opposition" You've been noted by your absence on this thread. | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out. "Except they're only conveying that to the gleeful section of the electorate who want to believe it. That's not the impression they're conveying to others. Oh wait, I forgot, you're at the centre of the Conservative party and know exactly what they are feeling. | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out.
Except they're only conveying that to the gleeful section of the electorate who want to believe it. That's not the impression they're conveying to others.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're at the centre of the Conservative party and know exactly what they are feeling."hey you get so serious are you this serious with the men you meet | |||
"I'm actually a little excited by the possibility of Corbyn winning. I'm hopeful he'll be an effective member of the opposition - even if that's all he'll ever be.... Good luck to all the candidates and may be the best, most sincere one win." politicians are all about feathering their own nests it makes absolutely no difference to the electorate who wins | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out.
Except they're only conveying that to the gleeful section of the electorate who want to believe it. That's not the impression they're conveying to others.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're at the centre of the Conservative party and know exactly what they are feeling.hey you get so serious are you this serious with the men you meet "Pretty much, yeah. I have F cup boobs and can deepthroat 8 inches though so it doesn't seem to matter. | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out.
Except they're only conveying that to the gleeful section of the electorate who want to believe it. That's not the impression they're conveying to others.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're at the centre of the Conservative party and know exactly what they are feeling.hey you get so serious are you this serious with the men you meet
Pretty much, yeah. I have F cup boobs and can deepthroat 8 inches though so it doesn't seem to matter. "Smacked it out of the park. | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they?" When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people. | |||
"British politics are exciting again, I think middle England over the last 30 years done an extremely bad job the country flogged off all the good done before 1979 and wasted it along with North sea oil, and young people should be livid, why should they pay to go to university, we never did. I really hope those Tories who registered and voted for him get what they voted for. Lets get some fire back into politics and kick out these useless, lets do nothing brigade." ...the good done before 1979, my memory may be going but I do recall the 70's were a disaster. corbyn has been elected, good luck to him. Labour is not just made up by the people who voted - the votes that matter are in the local and general elections. His challenge now is to convince the silent majority that he can make sense and not just use rhethoric... | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people." Abusers!!. That's a bit strong. Is abuse now included as part of Scottish Labour's election policy or do you know something the rest of us don't? | |||
" The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they?" How does it feel to be bedfellows of the tories? Or to inherit the mantel of shame of the scoundrels who sold out the people by union with London - the parcel of rouges? | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out.
Except they're only conveying that to the gleeful section of the electorate who want to believe it. That's not the impression they're conveying to others.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're at the centre of the Conservative party and know exactly what they are feeling." | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people. Abusers!!. That's a bit strong. Is abuse now included as part of Scottish Labour's election policy or do you know something the rest of us don't?" From south of the border, you will be unaware of the nature of Scottish labour over the past few decades - they are a totally different animal from the party of principle created by Keir Hardie. | |||
" The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? How does it feel to be bedfellows of the tories? Or to inherit the mantel of shame of the scoundrels who sold out the people by union with London - the parcel of rouges?" Oh, now I see, the bitter Scot Nats have come to gloat as well at Labour's folly. Just be careful while you gloat, the person standing right next to you gloating to is probably a Tory!! | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people. Abusers!!. That's a bit strong. Is abuse now included as part of Scottish Labour's election policy or do you know something the rest of us don't? From south of the border, you will be unaware of the nature of Scottish labour over the past few decades - they are a totally different animal from the party of principle created by Keir Hardie." But probably more Scottish than most of the people who actually live in Scotland. | |||
"Attila is a Tory Central Office poster boy. He would turn in his grave. That'd leave less room for his chums Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Thatcher." Given the choice between them and Lenin, Stalin, Kinnock, Trotsky, Guevara, Mao, Foot, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, and Corbyn, I think the former lot would be the lesser of two evils. | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people." You can be as dissatisfied as you like - you got got humped 3 ways to Tuesday, fucked backwards and forwards and then turned inside out and fucked again. If you're gonna play with the grown-ups, play by the grown up rules. | |||
" The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? How does it feel to be bedfellows of the tories? Or to inherit the mantel of shame of the scoundrels who sold out the people by union with London - the parcel of rouges? Oh, now I see, the bitter Scot Nats have come to gloat as well at Labour's folly. Just be careful while you gloat, the person standing right next to you gloating to is probably a Tory!! "No, you don't see at all, you are jumping to conclusions which are way off the mark. Corbyn's election is a fine thing for British democracy, but unwelcome to those who think that the status quo is acceptable. It will not save labour in Scotland from annihilation as the damage is too great to be undone - and they know it. However an alternative and more principled rUK labour party than its previous tory-lite incarnation will give a voice to those in England & Wales who reject the failed neo-liberal agenda. | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people. You can be as dissatisfied as you like - you got got humped 3 ways to Tuesday, fucked backwards and forwards and then turned inside out and fucked again. If you're gonna play with the grown-ups, play by the grown up rules." Yep, that is the authentic voice of the Scottish labour Mafiosi - Scottish politics is "our thing". Well, you are on the way out, your hegemony is finished forever, the PLP is no larger than the tory contingent of one, the Holyrood disaster is around the corner and independence not too far away. Happy days. | |||
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"I'm actually a little excited by the possibility of Corbyn winning. I'm hopeful he'll be an effective member of the opposition - even if that's all he'll ever be.... Good luck to all the candidates and may be the best, most sincere one win." At last a chicken with a head. | |||
"interesting to see how many people come back from the greens or the snp.... he just made the snp's job in scotland a lot lot harder...... Not so. Labour is in disarray in Scotland, has just elected a useless lassie as leader and is set for Holyrood annihilation to accompany their GE result - when their only remaining panda was returned with the help of anti-SNP tactical votes from tories. Scotland will never forget or forgive the antics of the bitter together coalition of the damned. Nor is there any talent - or integrity - within the ranks of labour's Scottish (sorry, North British) branch office. They are doomed, and rightly so. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. The 45% really ARE poor losers, aren't they? When the vote is stolen by acts of deception, there is cause for dissatisfaction, which is why there is now a majority in favour of independence. As long as Scottish labour remains a party of abusers, it will never re-gain the trust of the people. You can be as dissatisfied as you like - you got got humped 3 ways to Tuesday, fucked backwards and forwards and then turned inside out and fucked again. If you're gonna play with the grown-ups, play by the grown up rules. Yep, that is the authentic voice of the Scottish labour Mafiosi - Scottish politics is "our thing". Well, you are on the way out, your hegemony is finished forever, the PLP is no larger than the tory contingent of one, the Holyrood disaster is around the corner and independence not too far away. Happy days." Not sure where you're coming from TBH. Are you pissed of with Labour because they didn't support Scottish independence, because they were not left wing enough and put forward a policy of austerity, because they've taken the people of Scotland for granted for years (bit like they do in the Northeast and northwest of England to) or is it something else that's really pissed you of about them? | |||
".......... Not sure where you're coming from TBH. Are you pissed of with Labour because they didn't support Scottish independence, because they were not left wing enough and put forward a policy of austerity, because they've taken the people of Scotland for granted for years (bit like they do in the Northeast and northwest of England to) or is it something else that's really pissed you of about them?" Most Nats are pissed off 'cos the know the game's a bogey. They had one good chance at winning a referendum and they blew it 45-55. Their *ba' is very definitely on the slates. * BTW, it WAS their ba' date, time franchise, question - they got to choose everything and still fucked it up. Couldnae run a piss up. | |||
"Maybe someone should tell Michael Fallon, Priti Patel and the Tory press office that, then. Because at the moment they are doing the best job possible of conveying to the electorate just how scared the Tory party is. I wonder who else amongst the brave Tory ranks will drop their spaghetti before the day is out. "Not as many as those Labour shadow cabinet MP's handing in their resignations. | |||
"Bang on..could not put it better myself.. the tories are rubbing their hands in glee with a nice clear road ahead to do what they wish...plenty more cuts...privatisation. ..tax breaks for the rich. ..unfettered and uncontrolled toryism...thats what we will have....and that is sad. When you read a post like this, it's clear that people know nothing about politics beyond what they read in the headlines. The Labour Party as was represented ZERO OPPOSITION to any of the above, in fact, they were seeking to facilitate it. As of today, we have the prospect of a rejuvenated party that not only present a genuine OPPOSITION to Tory policies, but also have the strongest chance in a decade of taking the power to make that opposition count. The Conservative Party are not rubbing their hands today, they are genuinely petrified by this result. It is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. Finally we will have an opposition party prepared to expose their lies on austerity economics, and they know it. Be prepared for the most savage media onslaught against a political party that most people here will ever have witnessed, for as long as Corbyn is leader. If you think UKIP got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Smell the fear!
You really should listen more to what people actually tell you. No Tories I know are even slightly phased by JC. A little shocked, maybe. Some are a little worried that it may cause them (the Conservatives) to move too far to the right, others are a little worried it may cause them to move too far to the left in an effort to crap the now totally vacated centre ground.
I can absolutely promise you none of them are even slightly worried that JC may actually win a General Election for Labour. In fact the biggest problem the Tories now think they may face is over confidence and complaisance.
And trust me when I tell you I know these things for a fact.
This I can believe...they are reacting to this like headless chickens who haven't got a clue what to think.
Please feel free to reveal more of your 'facts'. "Well Cameron did send a memo out before the result to all his MP's telling them not to gloat too much if Corbyn won. | |||
"Lets see how he does, hes got alot of people interested that previously wherent, and actually packed out events! So if he could carry on with that and get people to vote for him, even if the tory voters stay the same there's another 85%? Of the electorate up for grabs You need to take a closer look at the statistics. Most people who did not vote in the last election come from areas that traditional vote Labour. Getting them back to voting Labour is only going to increase the Labour majority in seats it already holds. To win a general election Labour have to get ex LibDems and, more importantly, some former Conservative voters to vote Labour in areas like Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them. Convincing Scottish voters that he has their interests at heart too would also help him. Let's give him and his team a chance....even forcing conservatives somewhat leftward a success. In other good news, mourinho looks well raggedy at the moment! " Mourinho looks like he has been taking style tips from Jeremy Corbyn. | |||
"Lets see how he does, hes got alot of people interested that previously wherent, and actually packed out events! So if he could carry on with that and get people to vote for him, even if the tory voters stay the same there's another 85%? Of the electorate up for grabs You need to take a closer look at the statistics. Most people who did not vote in the last election come from areas that traditional vote Labour. Getting them back to voting Labour is only going to increase the Labour majority in seats it already holds. To win a general election Labour have to get ex LibDems and, more importantly, some former Conservative voters to vote Labour in areas like Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them. Convincing Scottish voters that he has their interests at heart too would also help him. Let's give him and his team a chance....even forcing conservatives somewhat leftward a success. In other good news, mourinho looks well raggedy at the moment! Mourinho looks like he has been taking style tips from Jeremy Corbyn. "Probably thought that's the reason behind Corbyn's winning formula! | |||
"Lets see how he does, hes got alot of people interested that previously wherent, and actually packed out events! So if he could carry on with that and get people to vote for him, even if the tory voters stay the same there's another 85%? Of the electorate up for grabs You need to take a closer look at the statistics. Most people who did not vote in the last election come from areas that traditional vote Labour. Getting them back to voting Labour is only going to increase the Labour majority in seats it already holds. To win a general election Labour have to get ex LibDems and, more importantly, some former Conservative voters to vote Labour in areas like Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. So far JC has done nothing that is likely to appeal to them. Convincing Scottish voters that he has their interests at heart too would also help him. Let's give him and his team a chance....even forcing conservatives somewhat leftward a success. In other good news, mourinho looks well raggedy at the moment! Mourinho looks like he has been taking style tips from Jeremy Corbyn.
Probably thought that's the reason behind Corbyn's winning formula!"It's not working for Mourinho though, Chelsea lost again today. | |||
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"British politics are exciting again, I think middle England over the last 30 years done an extremely bad job the country flogged off all the good done before 1979 and wasted it along with North sea oil, and young people should be livid, why should they pay to go to university, we never did. I really hope those Tories who registered and voted for him get what they voted for. Lets get some fire back into politics and kick out these useless, lets do nothing brigade. Just in case you had forgotten. The country was to all intents and purposes bankrupt in 1979. As for all the good before '79? Let me see. Oh yes. Bailed out by the IMF. State owned British Leyland building cars (and I use that word loosely) that were out of date, unreliable, poorly equipped, expensive, and that nobody wanted. State owned British Steel that carried on making expensive steel that they couldn't sell and cost the taxpayer over a million quid a day in subsidies, and that was at 70's prices. Power cuts. Three day week. Dead bodies in freezer trucks. Mountains of rubbish in the streets. Not a bit of litter but mountains of bin bags over six feet high. Six months to get a telephone connected. They are just the ones I can remember in a few minutes. About the only decent thing that came out of the 70's was the music. Trust me I was there. " Clear a few lies up about the 70's. Three day week was during a Tory government and did no harm to the economy as output actually increased. BL biggest problem it shouldn't have been created, it was a case of too many companies within a company Austin, Morris, Triumph etc still competing against each other rather than cooperating, no such thing as a bad workforce etc. Labour made the mistake of nationalising when bankruptcy was the only just reward, it would have been picked up as it had 50% market share, price wasn't the issue there was a waiting list. The dead bodies thing was an isolated incident that was played up by the Sun, daily mail etc. Telephone system was the best in the world at the time, don't recall waiting that long, certainly businesses didn't wait that long. People seem to forget it was very expensive and complicated service to provide in those days and would never have anywhere as good without government investment, its easy to make a profit if all the work been already done. I've seen the last made mechanical automated exchange it is a masterpiece of British engineering. IMF loan was not needed in the end as Healey cut public spending which ended the run on the pound. Actually the investment in particular the computer industry was very well targeted and one of the greatest acts of traitorism Thatcher (along with many) ever done was selling NCR to the Japanese. British Steel again was a example of poor management all the one man one job was originally created by management as a divide and rule, it backfired on them as the unions were better organised, and it was turned around with a different management but the same workforce and made brilliant steel at all times. The power cuts were only during the miners strike there was only 2, both during Tory admins, 72, 74. This was due to the incomes policies, the miner did deserve a pay rise, the mines were very profitable after oil hikes. Define bankrupt, my definition is when your assets fail to cover your debts, well Thatcher proved that to be a lie and she sold them at a knock down price. Now we have even more debt and no assets to sell, the musics crap and the kids have no future, we are bankrupt. I say give Corbynn a go, he can't do much worse. | |||
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