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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems | |||
"Everyone please remember, it's the politicians and corporations that make war and cause the strife. Not the people of the country's. But it's always the people that seem to pay the price." definitely no politicians in 4 platoon. just full of peoples. | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? You mean that fictional movie The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems" . Unless I missed the documentary version by Robert Redford  | |||
"I think 'they reaped, what they sowed' as their foreign policies and meddling in other countries came home to roost. It is very very sad for the people impacted but they haven't learned, nor will they are their arrogance won't allow." well said my friend ...your always the wise soul  | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems" You mean that fictional movie | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie " . Have you got a stutter  | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter "Yes  | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes ". Do you remember the film at all? | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?"Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies ". Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already? | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies .
Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already? "You asked i replied | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies .
Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already?
You asked i replied ". No I asked if you remembered the movie with Robert Redford three days of the condor!!! If your not interested in conversation why the fuck engage with my posts | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies .
Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already?
You asked i replied .
No I asked if you remembered the movie with Robert Redford three days of the condor!!!
If your not interested in conversation why the fuck engage with my posts"And i replied i did remember the movie..and its a fictional movie...whats your problem | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies .
Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already?
You asked i replied .
No I asked if you remembered the movie with Robert Redford three days of the condor!!!
If your not interested in conversation why the fuck engage with my posts
And i replied i did remember the movie..and its a fictional movie...whats your problem ". Don't bother, write frankly I'm not interested in getting in a conversation with you! | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems You mean that fictional movie . Have you got a stutter
Yes .
Do you remember the film at all?
Yes i do...its a fictional one..much the same as most Hollywood movies .
Yes that's right with Robert Redford... We've been through this already?
You asked i replied .
No I asked if you remembered the movie with Robert Redford three days of the condor!!!
If your not interested in conversation why the fuck engage with my posts
And i replied i did remember the movie..and its a fictional movie...whats your problem .
Don't bother, write frankly I'm not interested in getting in a conversation with you!"Fine by me | |||
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"Everyone please remember, it's the politicians and corporations that make war and cause the strife. Not the people of the country's. But it's always the people that seem to pay the price." "Bush's elected because of Florida's controversial result" No majority No Mandate Total U.S. fatalities in Afghanistan: 2,238 Total Allied fatalities in Afghanistan: 3,393 Number of civilians Unknown 14 years, billions of pounds spent and no lasting change made, not a good result IMHO | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems" . Anyhow before I was rudely interrupted. The conversation at the end of the film three days of the condor! The entire plot of the film is about how America uses covert terrorism to secure oil reserves! Unlike most Hollywood films,Robert Redford who's discovered the plot and is about to blow the whistle is told by the cia guy, go ahead, nobody will print the story because the public aren't really interested. "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote! | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems. Anyhow before I was rudely interrupted. The conversation at the end of the film three days of the condor! The entire plot of the film is about how America uses covert terrorism to secure oil reserves! Unlike most Hollywood films,Robert Redford who's discovered the plot and is about to blow the whistle is told by the cia guy, go ahead, nobody will print the story because the public aren't really interested. "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote!" Whilst slightly off topic, the film sounds interesting, thank you. | |||
"Think its bad timing for this question to be asked. Today should be about remembering the civilian people who lost their lives. Not about who's to blame or rights and wrongs.. ask the question tomorrow."  | |||
"Think its bad timing for this question to be asked. Today should be about remembering the civilian people who lost their lives. Not about who's to blame or rights and wrongs.. ask the question tomorrow. "I understand where you're coming from, but can't agree with the above. I would've thought those who died are the very people who deserve this conversation to continue until a truth is found. | |||
"Think its bad timing for this question to be asked. Today should be about remembering the civilian people who lost their lives. Not about who's to blame or rights and wrongs.. ask the question tomorrow.
I understand where you're coming from, but can't agree with the above. I would've thought those who died are the very people who deserve this conversation to continue until a truth is found."The question should definitely be asked I just think that today should be for remembering the people that died.. We dont ask why it all happened on remembrance Sunday. | |||
"Think its bad timing for this question to be asked. Today should be about remembering the civilian people who lost their lives. Not about who's to blame or rights and wrongs.. ask the question tomorrow.
I understand where you're coming from, but can't agree with the above. I would've thought those who died are the very people who deserve this conversation to continue until a truth is found.
The question should definitely be asked I just think that today should be for remembering the people that died.. We don't ask why it all happened on remembrance Sunday. "I think it's fair to be on a second thread... it would have been inappropriate to discuss on the one remembering the lost souls. | |||
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"What America wanted was a card. A playing card like the Jews have the Holocaust so they can use it as an excuse to do what ever they want and nobody to question their motives or actions. But it backfired on them big time. By now most of the world believes that 911 was not caused by some goat herder's who live in caves. America has used 911 and the "Islamic terrorists" which it created to wage wars in other countries and yet together with the UK has not been accountable for anything. Around 3,000 people died on 911 but since 1990 4 Million muslims and counting have been killed due to western wars not to mention over 10 million wounded. The west doesn't even batter an eye lid at those figures yet we are expected to remember 3,000 every year on 911? Bullshit." I think you will find if you look closer that most of these 4 million Muslims were killed by Muslims in wars, mostly civil, that had nothing to do with the west. The west has been used by it's enemies how ever, for the blaim. I'm not saying that the west has no blame but we are far from the cause of most deaths in the world. | |||
"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. " good for our economy, good for their economy. | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Have you ever seen three days of the condor with Robert Redford? The line by the cia guy at the end pretty much sums up the middle East problems. Anyhow before I was rudely interrupted. The conversation at the end of the film three days of the condor! The entire plot of the film is about how America uses covert terrorism to secure oil reserves! Unlike most Hollywood films,Robert Redford who's discovered the plot and is about to blow the whistle is told by the cia guy, go ahead, nobody will print the story because the public aren't really interested. "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote!" Never a truer word, in a fictional film about fictional events with fictional people being played by actors. 
You'll be telling us all that Eastenders is a documentary next.... 
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" "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote! Never a truer word, in a fictional film about fictional events with fictional people being played by actors.
You'll be telling us all that Eastenders is a documentary next....
"Clutching at straws a little there, he stated the quote was relevant, which it was, no indication that the film itself was taken literally, One of my favourite quotes from a film is Ollie in The Mist "As a species we're fundamentally insane. Put more than two of us in a room, we pick sides and start dreaming up reasons to kill one another. Why do you think we invented politics and religion?" Same as the poster I think the statement has some value in actual life events, not the film, | |||
" "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote! Never a truer word, in a fictional film about fictional events with fictional people being played by actors.
You'll be telling us all that Eastenders is a documentary next....
Clutching at straws a little there, he stated the quote was relevant, which it was, no indication that the film itself was taken literally,
One of my favourite quotes from a film is Ollie in The Mist
"As a species we're fundamentally insane. Put more than two of us in a room, we pick sides and start dreaming up reasons to kill one another. Why do you think we invented politics and religion?"
Same as the poster I think the statement has some value in actual life events, not the film, "More being facetious than clutching at straws. Also a valiant but failed attempt a little humour..... The flawed species quote is spot on. | |||
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"I dont believe it. Usa did the whole thing and blamed the terrorist so they could go to war against them." Believing something is your choice but having an opinion is just that,you need facts to back it up. Too much evidence to show it was what it was | |||
"the giant cross that just fell on mecca says yes. I'm not so sure "For all the God squaddies ( of what ever diety) I wondered what they would make of that? I am sure the extreme Christian sects will have a smug grin on their faces | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" 911 was the most atrocious atrocity of modern time who could argue with anyone wanting to retaliate to that !!!! | |||
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"Cross or crane?" in its non collapsed state it was in a cross shape. | |||
"Cross or crane?" Fundamentalist Christians will say it's a sign from God. Fundamentalist Muslims will probably say the crane was built in the west and was deliberately built to fall on Mecca. It'll be used to fuel someone's ideology. | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?911 was the most atrocious atrocity of modern time who could argue with anyone wanting to retaliate to that !!!!" I would argue that it was the most televised, not the "most atrocious". Was it worse than this: The Rwandan Genocide was a genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi and moderate Hutu in Rwanda by members of the Hutu majority. During the approximate 100-day period from April 7 to mid-July 1994, an estimated 500,000–1,000,000 Rwandans were killed. Or worse because we watched westerners die? | |||
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"I think 'they reaped, what they sowed' as their foreign policies and meddling in other countries came home to roost. It is very very sad for the people impacted but they haven't learned, nor will they are their arrogance won't allow." Agree
What happened was horrific but one day the west will learn to stop trying to Police the planet | |||
"Certainly kept the defence industry going after the end of the cold war..." Agree. Its quite convenient how the West 'invents' a war every few years. Helps road test new weapons systems. Makes the defence industry mega-bucks | |||
"the giant cross that just fell on mecca says yes. I'm not so sure "Crane.....not cross..look up crane on Google...bit stupid to carry on construction work with bad weather | |||
"the giant cross that just fell on mecca says yes. I'm not so sure
Crane.....not cross..look up crane on Google...bit stupid to carry on construction work with bad weather "cringe  | |||
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"Cross or crane? Fundamentalist Christians will say it's a sign from God. Fundamentalist Muslims will probably say the crane was built in the west and was deliberately built to fall on Mecca. It'll be used to fuel someone's ideology." . It's a sign that Saudi health safety without westerners (Mecca) is shockingly bad | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" They didn't retaliate though, they invaded a country that had nothing to do with it and escalated a terror war. Retaliation would have been invading Saudi Arabia. | |||
" "When the oil starts to run low the public won't question how we secured the last reserves, just that we secured it! Never a truer word wrote! Never a truer word, in a fictional film about fictional events with fictional people being played by actors.
You'll be telling us all that Eastenders is a documentary next....
Clutching at straws a little there, he stated the quote was relevant, which it was, no indication that the film itself was taken literally,
One of my favourite quotes from a film is Ollie in The Mist
"As a species we're fundamentally insane. Put more than two of us in a room, we pick sides and start dreaming up reasons to kill one another. Why do you think we invented politics and religion?"
Same as the poster I think the statement has some value in actual life events, not the film, ". Ho hum... I'm glad you got the point of the quote and didn't obsess about Hollywood actors like some? The point was that oil was so crucial to everything that nobody will bother about how it's secured, just that it's secured. | |||
"I think the truth is known. It's just that some people need there to be a massive conspiracy so they can call other people sheep." . But the truth isn't known is it! The 911 report didn't even get the right 19 hijackers correct and when it was pointed out that two of the 19 were currently still flying planes for Saudi airways, they didn't even feel it necessary to reinvestigate! It certainly didn't highlight how they funded there operation or managed to evade detection, just that there was inter departmental errors!... You would imagine that the world's biggest crime, committed live on tv and that instigated so much military action would have been massively investigated, every I dotted, every clue followed. You'd be of course totally wrong! | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?911 was the most atrocious atrocity of modern time who could argue with anyone wanting to retaliate to that !!!! I would argue that it was the most televised, not the "most atrocious". Was it worse than this: The Rwandan Genocide was a genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi and moderate Hutu in Rwanda by members of the Hutu majority. During the approximate 100-day period from April 7 to mid-July 1994, an estimated 500,000–1,000,000 Rwandans were killed. Or worse because we watched westerners die?" hey both situations are atrocious but this was the example given and I witnessed some of the terror of the innocent people jumping out of windows 30 floors up, for me my eyes my mind this was the worst thing I have witnessed not to mention the people on the planes ,the firemen who died trying to save them | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?911 was the most atrocious atrocity of modern time who could argue with anyone wanting to retaliate to that !!!! I would argue that it was the most televised, not the "most atrocious". Was it worse than this: The Rwandan Genocide was a genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi and moderate Hutu in Rwanda by members of the Hutu majority. During the approximate 100-day period from April 7 to mid-July 1994, an estimated 500,000–1,000,000 Rwandans were killed. Or worse because we watched westerners die?hey both situations are atrocious but this was the example given and I witnessed some of the terror of the innocent people jumping out of windows 30 floors up, for me my eyes my mind this was the worst thing I have witnessed not to mention the people on the planes ,the firemen who died trying to save them " if there is oil the yanks will go to war for oil but for people they don't give a shite | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it" Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 12/09/15 19:52:02]" if it had been a light plane fair enough but two jet linnets no | |||
"How come if Russia planes come into UK or Scotland area we have fighter's in the sky no problem seeing them off but the USA let planes that went off course they did not take them down at the time USA .British government is ruled by the USA its all about USA making money from war " Er. OK then I'll do a bit of air defence strategy for dummies. Russian MILITARY aircraft invade (or come close to) UK air space. RAF are scrambled to intercept. United Airlines takes of from Boston to LA probably two three four, or more times a day. One strays off course and heads towards NYC. By the time anyone in Air Traffic Control even notices that anything is wrong it's too late. Boston to NYC is less than 30 mins flying time, depending on the exact position of the aircraft at the time of the hijacking it could have been as little as five minutes. Try spotting a problem, scrambling aircraft, and intercepting in that time. | |||
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"The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the technology magazine Popular Mechanics have investigated and rejected the claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theories. The civil engineering community accepts that the impacts of jet aircraft at high speeds in combination with subsequent fires, not controlled demolition, led to the collapse of the Twin Towers. This also was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission, chaired by Governor Thomas Kean I do love wiki...id rather take my lead from there than some fictional movie...made by actors...and with lines written for them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories" ... Yes Wikipedia is very interesting The US administration, CIA and FBI received multiple prior warnings from foreign governments and intelligence services, including France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Jordan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Morocco and Russia.[5][31] The warnings varied in their level of detail, but all stated that they believed anAl-Qaeda attack inside the United States was imminent. British Member of ParliamentMichael Meacher cites these warnings, suggesting that some of them must have been deliberately ignored.[32] Some of these warnings include the following: March 2001 – Italian intelligence warns of an al-Qaeda plot in the United States involving a massive strike involving aircraft, based on their wiretap of al-Qaeda cell in Milan.July 2001 – Jordanian intelligence told US officials that al-Qaeda was planning an attack on American soil, and Egyptian intelligence warned the CIA that 20 al-Qaeda Jihadists were in the United States, and that four of them were receiving flight training.August 2001 – The Israeli Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future.August 2001 – The United Kingdom is warned three times of an imminent al-Qaeda attack in the United States, the third specifying multiple airplane hijackings. According to the Sunday Herald, the report is passed on to President Bush a short time later.September 2001 – Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. | |||
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"The 9/11 Commission Report concluded that pre-attack warnings of varying detail of the planned attacks against the United States by al-Qaeda were ignored due to a lack of communication between various law enforcement and intelligence personnel. For the lack of interagency communication, the report cited bureaucratic inertia and laws passed in the 1970s to prevent abuses that caused scandals during that era. The report faulted the Clinton and the Bush administrations with "failure of imagination."[33] Very interesting indeed " topical Americans thought they were untouchable they learned the hard way | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job." US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job "Excuse my language - but what a complete & utter load of bollocks! Since when did opinion amount to fact! | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job
Excuse my language - but what a complete & utter load of bollocks! Since when did opinion amount to fact! "Since its been published in a series of US government reports. FACT. | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job
Excuse my language - but what a complete & utter load of bollocks! Since when did opinion amount to fact!
Since its been published in a series of US government reports. FACT. "No evidence what so ever to prove an inside job. If anything they were too soft and didn't react. When is that such a failure. The Anericans are not the bad guys you portray, they fail like the rest of us. But conspiracy theories are at best tame. The US did not kill their own people. Get real... | |||
"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. " Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? | |||
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"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work?" Ah a minor detail | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it" 9/11 was never used as a reason to invade Iraq. No evidence had ever existed, real or false, that links Sadam with 9/11 or the terrorists behind it. 9/11 was used to justify invading Afghanistan. The question as to whether invading Afghanistan was right depends on what you mean by right. The US definitely had the right to invade Afghanistan under Article 51 of the UN charter. That's a simple fact of law. Wad it the right or best thing to do? That's more difficult to answer. | |||
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"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. " There's no source given for the claim that Cheney was solely in charge of NORAD on 9/11, which is a pity as it seems a little implausible that he'd be running everything from his White House office. Perhaps you can supply more details: " There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job " | |||
"I think it was an in house job, it was too clinical " Elaborate please, first by explaining what you actually think happened, then how you think they achieved it and finally by providing some real evidence to back it up. | |||
"9/11 ?? Obv this was Americas own doing !! Theres absolutely NO CHANCE of their air space being invaded n they cant do anything about it. Reason to invade Iraq wasn't it Id love to know where you found out that from. I am very interested in the subject and have seen nothing to suggest it was an American inside job. US vice president Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD on the day and ordered the US air force a stand down command. There's plenty of evidence to proof it was an inside job
Excuse my language - but what a complete & utter load of bollocks! Since when did opinion amount to fact!
Since its been published in a series of US government reports. FACT. "Can you provide some links to these reports so we can read them for ourselves? | |||
"What America wanted was a card. A playing card like the Jews have the Holocaust so they can use it as an excuse to do what ever they want and nobody to question their motives or actions. But it backfired on them big time. By now most of the world believes that 911 was not caused by some goat herder's who live in caves. America has used 911 and the "Islamic terrorists" which it created to wage wars in other countries and yet together with the UK has not been accountable for anything. Around 3,000 people died on 911 but since 1990 4 Million muslims and counting have been killed due to western wars not to mention over 10 million wounded. The west doesn't even batter an eye lid at those figures yet we are expected to remember 3,000 every year on 911? Bullshit." I understand what your getting at with the playing card issue.. However has anyone given a thought to the servicemen and women ( yes I was one) dragged into this and our country lost over 4318 servicemen and at least 5 of them were women. War isn't pretty on either side.. but a politician Will never accept responsibility for their actions nor justify their reasons. I guess unless any of us were in that room when bush and Blair made the decision to strike. . I guess we will never know. | |||
" 9/11 was never used as a reason to invade Iraq. No evidence had ever existed, real or false, that links Sadam with 9/11 or the terrorists behind it. 9/11 was used to justify invading Afghanistan. " Although evidence of a link between Saddam and 9/11 was probably never asserted - it does appear that some prominent U.S politicians promoted the idea of connections between Saddam and Al-Qaeda prior to the Iraqi invasion. We in the UK, however, were motivated by different dossiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations Bush Reasserts Hussein-Al Qaeda Link President Draws Distinction Between Involvement in 9/11 Attacks, Other Contact http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48970-2004Jun17.html Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5328592.stm US Attacked Iraq Based On False Report Of Saddam Hussein's Ties To Al Qaeda: Sen. Carl Levin http://www.ibtimes.com/us-attacked-iraq-based-false-report-saddam-husseins-ties-al-qaeda-sen-carl-levin-1750592 | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" Lol are u serious. They faked the attack so they could do was they like in the middle east. U can see the results of there endeavours in every arab country now. | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? Lol are u serious. They faked the attack so they could do was they like in the middle east. U can see the results of there endeavours in every arab country now." In year of the great slaughter, the towers will fall.(foot and mouth livestock slaughtered in thousands......9/11 towers fall year 2001) quote is from bible | |||
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"I watched earlier this evening about the other plane that doesn't get as much media as the 2 that crashed into the twin towers, this is the transcript in the credits: Military commanders were not notified that United 93 had been hijacked until 4 minutes after it had crashed, the nearest fighter jets were 100 miles away. Yes i know a lot was going on that day but you would have thought air traffic control would have noticed something? " Yeah its called mass distraction, when I saw the first plane hit, there was a good bit of time before the second, enough time for someone too notice the flight path had changed course. Then the pentagon your telling me that the usaf missed that one coming, if a ufo was in the area the usaf would have fighter planes scrambled in the air too intersept the objects. United 93, was another tool to help American administration get the backing too go into Iraq and Afghanistan. God bless the men and women, and those family's that suffer loss due to a pointless war | |||
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"I watched earlier this evening about the other plane that doesn't get as much media as the 2 that crashed into the twin towers, this is the transcript in the credits: Military commanders were not notified that United 93 had been hijacked until 4 minutes after it had crashed, the nearest fighter jets were 100 miles away. Yes i know a lot was going on that day but you would have thought air traffic control would have noticed something? Yeah its called mass distraction, when I saw the first plane hit, there was a good bit of time before the second, enough time for someone too notice the flight path had changed course. Then the pentagon your telling me that the usaf missed that one coming, if a ufo was in the area the usaf would have fighter planes scrambled in the air too intersept the objects. United 93, was another tool to help American administration get the backing too go into Iraq and Afghanistan. God bless the men and women, and those family's that suffer loss due to a pointless war" I'm not saying its not as to honest nothing would surprise me...... but if it was a plot then I feel even more sorry for for victims and survivors of 9/11 | |||
"I feel that which ever or at what ever point the air arrack should have been assembled, understand from sources that everything was apparent within 30 minutes???? I'm still not 100% sure on what if the is any ulterior motives are. I have worked in an an emergency control room ( although not on this scale)so I do understand that the human part kicks in such as ...is this real? Should I fire that bomb? What should I do?the second tick by like minutes!" Absolutely your right human error (nothing wrong there just human emotions), but logically after the first one and then the second strike well you know its not a accident or aircraft failure, still the pentagon got hit and that's military I'm not saying that it was a set up, no there where extremist on those planes that day but I also know that Surface to air missiles and a very good air force could of prevented the pentagon from getting hit, which a that time to have a reason to goto war there had to be an attack on the military not just civilian building. | |||
"I feel that which ever or at what ever point the air arrack should have been assembled, understand from sources that everything was apparent within 30 minutes???? I'm still not 100% sure on what if the is any ulterior motives are. I have worked in an an emergency control room ( although not on this scale)so I do understand that the human part kicks in such as ...is this real? Should I fire that bomb? What should I do?the second tick by like minutes! Absolutely your right human error (nothing wrong there just human emotions), but logically after the first one and then the second strike well you know its not a accident or aircraft failure, still the pentagon got hit and that's military I'm not saying that it was a set up, no there where extremist on those planes that day but I also know that Surface to air missiles and a very good air force could of prevented the pentagon from getting hit, which a that time to have a reason to goto war there had to be an attack on the military not just civilian building. " Yes I agree with what your saying but there still that human element of making a decision to fire on an aeroplane full of innocent people, I for one am glad I was not in that control room that day!! | |||
"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail ". "The U.S. Government's position is that we support multiple pipelines... The Unocal pipeline is among those pipelines that would receive our support under that policy. I would caution that while we do support the project, the U.S. Government has not at this point recognized any governing regime of the transit country, one of the transit countries, Afghanistan, through which that pipeline would be routed. But we do support the project." [ U.S. House of Reps., "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ] "The only other possible route [for the desired oil pipeline] is across, Afghanistan which has of course its own unique challenges." [ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ] "CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan Government is in place." [ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1522987.stm. From Margret Thatcher to John major to tony Blair! From bush to Clinton to bush and Obama One policy remains?, that the west has substantial interests in middle East regime change! | |||
"I watched earlier this evening about the other plane that doesn't get as much media as the 2 that crashed into the twin towers, this is the transcript in the credits: Military commanders were not notified that United 93 had been hijacked until 4 minutes after it had crashed, the nearest fighter jets were 100 miles away. Yes i know a lot was going on that day but you would have thought air traffic control would have noticed something? " . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash. This is the wikipedia account of golfer Payne Stewart's death in his plane through accidental hypoxaemia in 1999. It's interesting to note that air traffic control was onto them only 4 minutes after failing to make a scheduled turn, and that they had three military planes intercept and follow it until it's demise in south Dakota! | |||
"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail .
"The U.S. Government's position is that we support multiple pipelines...
The Unocal pipeline is among those pipelines that would receive our
support under that policy. I would caution that while we do support the
project, the U.S. Government has not at this point recognized any
governing regime of the transit country, one of the transit countries,
Afghanistan, through which that pipeline would be routed. But we do
support the project."
[ U.S. House of Reps., "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"The only other possible route [for the desired oil pipeline] is across,
Afghanistan which has of course its own unique challenges."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized
Afghanistan Government is in place."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1522987.stm.
From Margret Thatcher to John major to tony Blair!
From bush to Clinton to bush and Obama
One policy remains?, that the west has substantial interests in middle East regime change!"Senior Taleban officials were feted, wined and dined in America one week before 9/11 as the US government tried to persuade them to allow an oil pipeline across Afghanistan. The Taleban refused | |||
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"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail "Further to my post (above), I've just read that the oil line project star yr ed in May 2002 Just sayin' | |||
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"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail
Further to my post (above), I've just read that the oil line project star yr ed in May 2002
Just sayin' ". I'm in full agreement with you! I don't buy into the elaborate, missile strikes, or rigging of buildings All you need to do, is encourage an existing enemy (see the first world trade centre attempt) Finance them (see the ongoing attempt to restrict knowledge of payment from the isi and Saudi Arabia). And then move any obstructions for the attempt to succeeded (NORAD, CIA,FBI SECRET SERVICE, FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE REPORTS) you know if you were to have said that the us government was involved in regime change in central America by trading cocaine for weapons to prop up guerrilla warfare (guerrillas that had rape camps I'd add) and that the whole thing was done with the aid of Israeli and Iranian help and you could do it under the smoke screen of us hostages and then even when your caught red handed, not to worry as the vice President (George bush) who later became president can pardon you all anyway! You may have been called lots of names and much piss taking would have occurred After irangate you may have not been subject to such mirth | |||
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"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail .
"The U.S. Government's position is that we support multiple pipelines...
The Unocal pipeline is among those pipelines that would receive our
support under that policy. I would caution that while we do support the
project, the U.S. Government has not at this point recognized any
governing regime of the transit country, one of the transit countries,
Afghanistan, through which that pipeline would be routed. But we do
support the project."
[ U.S. House of Reps., "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"The only other possible route [for the desired oil pipeline] is across,
Afghanistan which has of course its own unique challenges."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized
Afghanistan Government is in place."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1522987.stm.
From Margret Thatcher to John major to tony Blair!
From bush to Clinton to bush and Obama
One policy remains?, that the west has substantial interests in middle East regime change!
Senior Taleban officials were feted, wined and dined in America one week before 9/11 as the US government tried to persuade them to allow an oil pipeline across Afghanistan. The Taleban refused"From wiki: Since the pipeline was to pass through Afghanistan, it was necessary to work with the Taliban. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Robert Oakley, moved into CentGas in 1997. In January 1998, the Taliban, selecting CentGas over Argentinian competitor Bridas Corporation, signed an agreement that allowed the proposed project to proceed. In June 1998, Russian Gazprom relinquished its 10% stake in the project. On 7 August 1998, American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed. The United States alleged that Osama bin Laden was behind those attacks, and all pipeline negotiations halted, as the Taliban's then leader, Mullah Omar, announced that bin Laden had the Taliban's support. Unocal withdrew from the consortium on 8 December 1998, and soon after closed its offices in Afghanistan and Pakistan. | |||
"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail .
"The U.S. Government's position is that we support multiple pipelines...
The Unocal pipeline is among those pipelines that would receive our
support under that policy. I would caution that while we do support the
project, the U.S. Government has not at this point recognized any
governing regime of the transit country, one of the transit countries,
Afghanistan, through which that pipeline would be routed. But we do
support the project."
[ U.S. House of Reps., "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"The only other possible route [for the desired oil pipeline] is across,
Afghanistan which has of course its own unique challenges."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized
Afghanistan Government is in place."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1522987.stm.
From Margret Thatcher to John major to tony Blair!
From bush to Clinton to bush and Obama
One policy remains?, that the west has substantial interests in middle East regime change!
Senior Taleban officials were feted, wined and dined in America one week before 9/11 as the US government tried to persuade them to allow an oil pipeline across Afghanistan. The Taleban refused
From wiki:
Since the pipeline was to pass through Afghanistan, it was necessary to work with the Taliban. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Robert Oakley, moved into CentGas in 1997. In January 1998, the Taliban, selecting CentGas over Argentinian competitor Bridas Corporation, signed an agreement that allowed the proposed project to proceed. In June 1998, Russian Gazprom relinquished its 10% stake in the project. On 7 August 1998, American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed. The United States alleged that Osama bin Laden was behind those attacks, and all pipeline negotiations halted, as the Taliban's then leader, Mullah Omar, announced that bin Laden had the Taliban's support. Unocal withdrew from the consortium on 8 December 1998, and soon after closed its offices in Afghanistan and Pakistan."A minor detail | |||
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"Can I remind people about the THIRD tower that collapsed - though nothing hit that - several hours after the Twin Towers were hit? How do people explain that one? " that's a different thread. | |||
"Can I remind people about the THIRD tower that collapsed - though nothing hit that - several hours after the Twin Towers were hit? How do people explain that one? that's a different thread. " No more than an extension than talk of it being an inside job, I'd suggest, but moving away from your original question, I'll admit. Coming back to your OP, there is no way Americans will ever entertain the idea that they handled things the wrong way. That they have is pretty evident to the rest of the world. And how to handle things now? The power vacuums left throughout the Middle East have been a result of America's bellicose and interfering response to 9/11, a response that now threatens to destabilise most of the Middle East. If Edward Snowden is right it's been done all rather deliberately to create the current mess | |||
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"The so called retaliation was anything but. It about securing oil. Bur there is no oil to in Afghanistan, so how does that work? Ah a minor detail .
"The U.S. Government's position is that we support multiple pipelines...
The Unocal pipeline is among those pipelines that would receive our
support under that policy. I would caution that while we do support the
project, the U.S. Government has not at this point recognized any
governing regime of the transit country, one of the transit countries,
Afghanistan, through which that pipeline would be routed. But we do
support the project."
[ U.S. House of Reps., "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"The only other possible route [for the desired oil pipeline] is across,
Afghanistan which has of course its own unique challenges."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ]
"CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized
Afghanistan Government is in place."
[ "U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics", 12 Feb 1998 ].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1522987.stm.
From Margret Thatcher to John major to tony Blair!
From bush to Clinton to bush and Obama
One policy remains?, that the west has substantial interests in middle East regime change!
Senior Taleban officials were feted, wined and dined in America one week before 9/11 as the US government tried to persuade them to allow an oil pipeline across Afghanistan. The Taleban refused
From wiki:
Since the pipeline was to pass through Afghanistan, it was necessary to work with the Taliban. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Robert Oakley, moved into CentGas in 1997. In January 1998, the Taliban, selecting CentGas over Argentinian competitor Bridas Corporation, signed an agreement that allowed the proposed project to proceed. In June 1998, Russian Gazprom relinquished its 10% stake in the project. On 7 August 1998, American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed. The United States alleged that Osama bin Laden was behind those attacks, and all pipeline negotiations halted, as the Taliban's then leader, Mullah Omar, announced that bin Laden had the Taliban's support. Unocal withdrew from the consortium on 8 December 1998, and soon after closed its offices in Afghanistan and Pakistan."See. | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" If you think that was really a terror attack your diluded, it was clearly an attack on themselves to get what they always wanted oil and control read the facts on it | |||
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"Fighting hatred with love and charity?" Give me one example in history where that has been successful? You can't fight hatred with love and charity. Especially not the sort or radical religious hatred we see today. | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" Post 9/11 in Libya and Iraq after the Americans decided to remove gadaffi and Sadam is worse than it ever was...but that was the plan wasn't it? Next stop Syria and then we can start on Iran...that will make all this look like playtime | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer" Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine??? | |||
"Fighting hatred with love and charity? Give me one example in history where that has been successful? You can't fight hatred with love and charity. Especially not the sort or radical religious hatred we see today. " Very true and very sad. The beheading of aid workers, suicide bombing innocents because they live in a "westernised way" These people know nothing of love, just hatred. And for what reason, for their own personal gain of power and money... If the Americans interest was oil or gas, that is their business, however the British were not their for the same reason. These people must be eradicated otherwise they will spread their hatred of all things west and the frequency and intensity of attacks on our home soil will increase. Sad but true. | |||
"Fighting hatred with love and charity? Give me one example in history where that has been successful? You can't fight hatred with love and charity. Especially not the sort or radical religious hatred we see today. Very true and very sad. The beheading of aid workers, suicide bombing innocents because they live in a "westernised way" These people know nothing of love, just hatred. And for what reason, for their own personal gain of power and money... If the Americans interest was oil or gas, that is their business, however the British were not their for the same reason.... Errrr you do know the Americans and the English are in this together don't you? " | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer" What do you suggest?......maybe a Trump wall but far, far bigger? | |||
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"The US was totally aware that prominent members of the Saudi Royal family were behind the funding of 9/11, yet they still to this day refuse to admit this to the American electorate.....it's all about the oil." The USA has a history of backing and attacking the wrong people all over the world. It is not so much about the oil as so many people think. It is about access to markets for US business. The USA will prop up the most repressive of regimes and topple the most liberal and progressive of countries if it gets their businesses unregulated access to and control of markets. The Republican party will even paralyse their own country if US business is threatened by regulation. | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" If they had retaliated with the right people instead of staging an illegal war to profit themselves yes but as they went out to systematically destroy the middle east no. | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" They sure got a lot of natural resources and made a HUGE tin if money in defence contracts out of it..... | |||
"Sabre rattling with terrible consequences. America has lost more people to gun crime than they have in all the wars they have waged.. Ever. The loss of life on 9/11 was terrible. It amounts to about 25% of people lost to gun crime every year in the USA. I struggle to work it out!" What Americans do with their guns is their own business IMO. Total madness but they made their own bed More importantly America is responsible for between 20 and 30 million deaths around the world since end of ww2 | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? They sure got a lot of natural resources and made a HUGE tin if money in defence contracts out of it....." | |||
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"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" . It certainly would have been the Christian thing to do | |||
"Sabre rattling with terrible consequences. America has lost more people to gun crime than they have in all the wars they have waged.. Ever. The loss of life on 9/11 was terrible. It amounts to about 25% of people lost to gun crime every year in the USA. I struggle to work it out!" . Nah, I struggle to belive that to be honest. They lost 700,000 in the civil war alone | |||
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"Watch the video "Loose Change" on yootoob, bit of an eye opener and will lead you other investigations." Take one of these on us | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???" . Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself  | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???. Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself "Seriously.....wasn't it the case that historically, many of the Arab peoples were nomadic? Only asking as I really don't know whether this extends to the Palestinians. And also.....how would stability be assured if things changed in Israel/Palestine? I suggest that allowing change without universal consent would result in a bloodbath greater than the current mess in the Middle East......and it would be the innocents that suffer on both sides. | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???. Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself
Seriously.....wasn't it the case that historically, many of the Arab peoples were nomadic?
Only asking as I really don't know whether this extends to the Palestinians.
And also.....how would stability be assured if things changed in Israel/Palestine?
I suggest that allowing change without universal consent would result in a bloodbath greater than the current mess in the Middle East......and it would be the innocents that suffer on both sides.". No I was actually being sarcastic about the Jewish religion .
A two state solution is and would be possible if....
The Palestinians could get decent leadership.
Israel actually meant it.
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Unfortunately the current fuck up scenario suits both sides leaders | |||
"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???. Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself
Seriously.....wasn't it the case that historically, many of the Arab peoples were nomadic?
Only asking as I really don't know whether this extends to the Palestinians.
And also.....how would stability be assured if things changed in Israel/Palestine?
I suggest that allowing change without universal consent would result in a bloodbath greater than the current mess in the Middle East......and it would be the innocents that suffer on both sides..
No I was actually being sarcastic about the Jewish religion .
A two state solution is and would be possible if....
The Palestinians could get decent leadership.
Israel actually meant it.
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Unfortunately the current fuck up scenario suits both sides leaders"No disrespect but if you made anti Semitic comments as a member of a political party, you would be expelled. | |||
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"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???. Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself
Seriously.....wasn't it the case that historically, many of the Arab peoples were nomadic?
Only asking as I really don't know whether this extends to the Palestinians.
And also.....how would stability be assured if things changed in Israel/Palestine?
I suggest that allowing change without universal consent would result in a bloodbath greater than the current mess in the Middle East......and it would be the innocents that suffer on both sides..
No I was actually being sarcastic about the Jewish religion .
A two state solution is and would be possible if....
The Palestinians could get decent leadership.
Israel actually meant it.
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Unfortunately the current fuck up scenario suits both sides leaders
No disrespect but if you made anti Semitic comments as a member of a political party, you would be expelled.". Yeah I know, they threw me out already though | |||
"Arabs are actually awfully racist towards Muslims and many other tribes of the middle East. . Arabs and thoroughbreds are culturally linked in the arab mind... There a bit like Jews... You can be Jewish but your only a proper Jew or Arab if you've got the lineage" Jews are Arab by lineage. Just saying. | |||
"Sabre rattling with terrible consequences. America has lost more people to gun crime than they have in all the wars they have waged.. Ever. The loss of life on 9/11 was terrible. It amounts to about 25% of people lost to gun crime every year in the USA. I struggle to work it out!. Nah, I struggle to belive that to be honest. They lost 700,000 in the civil war alone" From memory, I think the numbers are 1.4m lost in war against 1.3m by gun crime. Remarkable stat! | |||
"Arabs are actually awfully racist towards Muslims and many other tribes of the middle East. . Arabs and thoroughbreds are culturally linked in the arab mind... There a bit like Jews... You can be Jewish but your only a proper Jew or Arab if you've got the lineage Jews are Arab by lineage. Just saying. ". Ha that's just Semitics | |||
"Sabre rattling with terrible consequences. America has lost more people to gun crime than they have in all the wars they have waged.. Ever. The loss of life on 9/11 was terrible. It amounts to about 25% of people lost to gun crime every year in the USA. I struggle to work it out!. Nah, I struggle to belive that to be honest. They lost 700,000 in the civil war alone From memory, I think the numbers are 1.4m lost in war against 1.3m by gun crime. Remarkable stat!" . That is quite a remarkable death toll | |||
"Arabs are actually awfully racist towards Muslims and many other tribes of the middle East. . Arabs and thoroughbreds are culturally linked in the arab mind... There a bit like Jews... You can be Jewish but your only a proper Jew or Arab if you've got the lineage Jews are Arab by lineage. Just saying. .
Ha that's just Semitics "No it is Sumerians.
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"Close the borders to the middle east, allow no one in or out, and stop trading with them, far better answer Then how will the European Jews return to their 'home' in Palestine???. Whow there horsey.... That land was promised to the chosen ones by God itself "Israel are the biggest threat in the middle east at the moment with their nuclear power & acts of genocide on a weaker race...some people who are bullied become an even worse bully learning nothing from previous happenings in their lives. Add this with America trying to destable every other middle east country you get anarchy... | |||
"I think 'they reaped, what they sowed' as their foreign policies and meddling in other countries came home to roost. It is very very sad for the people impacted but they haven't learned, nor will they are their arrogance won't allow." Yes .... this And as for the middle east ...my father was out their in the army when still called palestine .....and it is still going on | |||
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"Arabs are actually awfully racist towards Muslims and many other tribes of the middle East. . Arabs and thoroughbreds are culturally linked in the arab mind... There a bit like Jews... You can be Jewish but your only a proper Jew or Arab if you've got the lineage Jews are Arab by lineage. Just saying. .
Ha that's just Semitics
No it is Sumerians.
". Oooo Sumerians!!! Now there's a conspiracy all of its own | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity?" 9/11 came up in conversation at a dinner party this week. Two guests, a chartered surveyer and an engineer both said 'there was no way that the towers should have collapsed because an airplane hit them! Another guest, a social historian, said that Al Kaida did not have the technological infrastructure to mount such an attack at the time. The engineer, who had spent most of his career working in the Middle East then said that the Arms industry. was one of the biggest businesses in America and that War was good business. Had not thought too deeply about this before and normally give short shift to conspiracy theorists, but food for thought at the same time as well as being a little bit too scary to contemplate ! | |||
"To retaliate? Or should it have turned the other cheek? Or maybe just gone all out for hearts and minds across the middle east. Fighting hatred with love and charity? 9/11 came up in conversation at a dinner party this week. Two guests, a chartered surveyer and an engineer both said 'there was no way that the towers should have collapsed because an airplane hit them! Another guest, a social historian, said that Al Kaida did not have the technological infrastructure to mount such an attack at the time. The engineer, who had spent most of his career working in the Middle East then said that the Arms industry. was one of the biggest businesses in America and that War was good business. Had not thought too deeply about this before and normally give short shift to conspiracy theorists, but food for thought at the same time as well as being a little bit too scary to contemplate !" A recent 9/11 conspiracy thread on here split people's opinions into two groups. There were those who believed the officially reported version of events and subsequent enquiry and there were those who believed this was a pre-planned Government led attack on it's own people. The very idea that a Government would murder it"s own citizens in such a way is just too much for most people to comprehend so it's easier to believe the official line. There is overwhelming evidence, publicly available if you choose to look for it, that completely discredits the claim that it was a terrorist attack. I've personally looked into this in great detail and have a few questions for the conspiracy theorist bashers. Why did Larry Silverstein take out a massive insurance policy out 2 months before the attack which just happened to include terrorist attacks? Bear in mind he went to court to argue that there should be two separate payouts for each tower, totalling nearly £7 billion. Why did hundreds of people who were in the towers that day all report hearing explosions? Over 100 New York firefighters all reported hearing detonation blasts. There was a massive explosion in the lobby of Tower 1 BEFORE any plane hit the building. This explosion was reported by staff and firefighters, a lot of whom sustained injuries from that blast. Why could they not find 3 of the 4 flight recorded from the flights? Bear in mind that these are made from the strongest materials known to man. But they managed to find two of the hijackers passports in the rubble within 3 hours of the plane hitting. Why was the plane which supposedly hit the Pentagon completely vaporised into thin air? Incidentally it just happened to hit the only part of the Pentagon which was undergoing renovations. This conveniently obliterated the only part of the building which held crucial information on the missing 2.3 trillion dollars Donald Rumsfeld had spoken about the day before. I could go on, all the information is there in the public domain. Was it a Jack Nicholson line?.... Why can't we have the truth?.... Because you can't handle the truth! All I can say is, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything! Peace x | |||
