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The Labour Party Leadership Election

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

On the eve of the result being announced would thelection of Jeremy Corbyn spell the end of the Labour Party? It's 100 yeas ago this month since the death of the party's founder Kier Hardy. Are the founding ideals of the party relevant to day?

If JC is the new leader will we see a break way party born like the SDP of the Shirley Williams and Roy Jenkins type?

A commentator on the today programme likened an election of JC to the detination of a neutron bomb in the Labour Party ...........is that the case?

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

No, it wouldn't. The brand would continue, and IF it performed "badly" under his leadership, it's just a question of how long it subsequently takes to recover.

Plus I'm sure many would argue that the current labour party has been dragged so far into the political centre that the name in all it has in common with the original.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Unfortunately for the progressive movement in Britain, the almost certain election of JC as Labour's leader will not lead to the total demise of the Labour party, just the total demise of any chance of a left of centre government being elected for the next 10 to 20 years.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

It's a rejuvenation.

If you want a clear bellwether that everybody with even the slightest political nous knows that a proper left wing Labour party has the best electoral chance possible, especially with the weak Conservative government, you only have to observe the fact that every right wing media outlet is doing everything they possibly can to smear him.

Smell the fear, it's wonderful!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love using the word Bellwether...

It's long time since I last popped it out.....

I will be doing my best to slip it in anywhere I can today,,,

So thank-you......

Bellwether,,,,,, the leading sheep of a flock, with a bell on its neck.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

Quite surprising how little interest I have in this election battle .. and given how old this thread is (2hrs old, with only 4 post on it), it doesn't look like there are a great many others that are that interested in it either.

Shame really as it is a pretty vital contest. I think Labour have done a very good job of historically fucking themselves, very hard.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think it will lead to the demise of the Labour Party, nor is he the messiah.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quite surprising how little interest I have in this election battle .. and given how old this thread is (2hrs old, with only 4 post on it), it doesn't look like there are a great many others that are that interested in it either.

Shame really as it is a pretty vital contest. I think Labour have done a very good job of historically fucking themselves, very hard. "

I was interested at the beginning, but after so much media coverage and incessant sycophantic social media interest I'm bored of it now!

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

yep - far too many point scoring, and attempts to look better on screen. I am lost as to who has interest in what. All the while the cons are letting them get on with it - it's quite indicative!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think it will lead to the demise of the Labour Party, nor is he the messiah. "

And he isn't a very naughty boy either!

The swing back to the left is a perfectly understandable reaction to the slow insidious creep to the right that the party had been subject to. Oh how the wheel turns!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And he isn't a very naughty boy either!

Oh I don't know, I've heard otherwise

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By *aughtyinguMan over a year ago

swindon

Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it."

Dopey Dave didn't even have the balls to debate Ed Miliband, and was regularly made to look like a fool by him.

By Ed Miliband!

Corbyn will slaughter him. That's why the Tories are so scared of him, because they haven't got a single person with the stones to stand against him, and Corbyn will actually challenge the lies they tell on the economy, for example, unlike any of the New Labour drones.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it.

Dopey Dave didn't even have the balls to debate Ed Miliband, and was regularly made to look like a fool by him.

By Ed Miliband!

Are all Labour's supporters this delusional?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it.

Dopey Dave didn't even have the balls to debate Ed Miliband, and was regularly made to look like a fool by him.

By Ed Miliband!

Are all Labour's supporters this delusional?"

Maybe you can explain why they are so scared of him then? With your unclouded, open and quicksilver mind, and all.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Corbyn is attracting a lot of support. I wouldn't discount anything.

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

it will be the death of the labour party and good riddance to bad rubbish i say.just need people in wale's to wake up and stop voting the same old monkeys in... to many ultra left wing socialist with heads full of cotton wool wake up and realize you have ruined this once great country!!

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

"Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it.

Dopey Dave didn't even have the balls to debate Ed Miliband, and was regularly made to look like a fool by him.

By Ed Miliband!

Are all Labour's supporters this delusional?"

YES

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"it will be the death of the labour party and good riddance to bad rubbish i say.just need people in wale's to wake up and stop voting the same old monkeys in... to many ultra left wing socialist with heads full of cotton wool wake up and realize you have ruined this once great country!! "

John Redwood posts on Fab?!!

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

gone in two years just in time for the other milliband.

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

John Redwood posts on Fab?!!

Prime example head full of cotton wool !!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

R.I.P new labour welcome back old labour,problem is we could be stuck with dappy dave and his lot for years to come.....as a conservative we always need a good party opposite to keep balance.....I fear a labour collapse like the libs and so a very strong ukip will develop....

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

John Redwood posts on Fab?!!

Prime example head full of cotton wool !! "

Gordon grew up and eventually became Chancellor of the Exchequer and no matter how many times he lied or how much money he stole from the British voters, as long as he gave them back some of the stolen money, most of them thought he was a great guy yep thats about right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never cease to be amazed at the political ignorance of people in general, especially when it comes to econmomics.

I guess this place is only fab though. Bit like mumsnet with fucking.

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"It's a rejuvenation.

Smell the fear, it's wonderful!

That would be the same press that was running scared from Farage before the election?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Indeed! Four million votes is a number not to be sniffed at.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Its funny how Mr unelectable seems to draw alot of people out and ingauge people, I guess my concern would be how well he he does in the parliamentary debates...

But do any other candidates strike you as the next pm?

They chose the wrong Miliband years ago, that's the only one I can think of who could of done it.

Dopey Dave didn't even have the balls to debate Ed Miliband, and was regularly made to look like a fool by him.

By Ed Miliband!

Are all Labour's supporters this delusional?

Maybe you can explain why they are so scared of him then? With your unclouded, open and quicksilver mind, and all.

Honestly, I don't think they are. Unless there is a massive sea change in the British electorate I think ( well in fact I know) they think this will put labour out if government and power for a generation.

What little concern there is in the Tory party about a JC victory is two fold. From the right wing they worry that, Labour having vacated the centre ground, the Conservatives will move onto it. From the left of the Conservative party the worry is that without any real chance of Labour winning an election within the foreseeable future there is nothing to challenge a far more right wing approach from the Tories.

No one in the Conservative party is actually scared of JC; at least not yet!!

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Then one has to wonder why the right wing press and their Tory supporting paymasters are so concerned about attempting to smear him, each and every day. If Corbyn is going to put Labour out of power, you would think they would be doing everything in their power to ease his passage to leadership, rather than display all the composure of hysterical children in their attempts to scorch his campaign.

The truth is that the slender Tory majority happened for a single reason, and it's not that the majority of people like their message. It's that they were allowed to peddle the lie of austerity without any opposition from any party. There was no alternative.

Now, fortunately, most people in this country can see past the end of their own well-being, and can recognise that society as we know it is being wrecked by our Etonian chums. They are looking for someone who will act against the interests of the wealthy, rather than seek to emulate them.

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's just see how a left wing labour party do against the SNP in the next elections. That's the reason the Tories are scared.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Makes me wonder who the party are trying to appeal to,might as well ditch the 'Labour' name,after all most of them along with politicians in general are from the same professional politician class,Corbin,like the rest hasn't had a proper job,privately educated union organiser,council then mp,the very fact his constituancy is iislington says a great deal,got nothing in common with the working people of this country,full of rhetoric but as he's spent his time being able to talk without having to do if he ever got a chance in no10,dont think there's much in his past to show he'd be able to do what he says especially being faced with the real world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

But will the Blairites break away and form a new party or merge with the Liberal democrats as some political commentators have alluded to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then one has to wonder why the right wing press and their Tory supporting paymasters are so concerned about attempting to smear him, each and every day. If Corbyn is going to put Labour out of power, you would think they would be doing everything in their power to ease his passage to leadership, rather than display all the composure of hysterical children in their attempts to scorch his campaign.

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified."

So why have tories signed up to join the labour party so that they can vote for Corbyn?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified.

So why have tories signed up to join the labour party so that they can vote for Corbyn?"

A moderately clever double bluff on the part of the media, designed to put off Labour supporters from voting for him (rather than encourage Tories to join) by suggesting that Corbyn is so unelectable that Tories want him to win.

Their subsequent terrified scare-mongering when it was apparent that Corbyn was enjoying tremendous support regardless revealed it for what it was.

But it did have the effect of making the Labour party look like it couldn't organise a leadership contest in a brewery, so it wasn't an entire bust.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"But will the Blairites break away and form a new party or merge with the Liberal democrats as some political commentators have alluded to?"

Not in a million years. There aren't anywhere near enough who would do so for there to be any point.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

There's a lot of people going to be shell shocked when Corbyn wins the 2020 General Election.

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified."

I think you'll find that most people are in favour of policies that are in the interests of someone rather policies that set out to be against the interests of anyone. It's these negative attitudes of JC and his supporters that, IMHO, pretty much guarantees electoral failure for them at the next general election (and probably the one after that as well).

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Corbyn's policies are in the interests of everyone, as opposed to Cameron's (which only support the already comfortably off).

5 years to get this message across + a chunk of time when the Tories will be too busy stabbing each other in the back for Cameron's job.

I think we'll do well.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

There are huge numbers of people of all ages who simply did not vote at the last election, because there was no-one to vote for. The Tories know this, and they are petrified.

I think I'll find that that means you have little to know idea of what JC's policies are and what his supporters are actually like, rather than anything else.

That you studiously avoided answering a single one of the points I made tells all. See you at the election, and good luck...you'll need it!

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread....... "

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

And of course, it won't help that if Dopey Dave sticks to his word, there will be a new party leader hoping to lead from the front.

Now, realistically speaking, the only two Tory front benchers that anyone can view without open revulsion are Dave and Boris Johnson. The idea of Corbyn coming up against Johnson in the HOC is just beautiful, as Boris will be sent home crying every day.

On the other hand, if you get Osborne as party leader, or Gove...well, you'll really know what unelectable means then. Corbyn won't even need to speak.

2020 is going to be amazing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Happy for Corbyn his blue sky thinking will be perfect for the job.

We are all going to be ok brahs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like Jeremey, he got fire and big following wherever he goes that the other 4 miss.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And of course, it won't help that if Dopey Dave sticks to his word, there will be a new party leader hoping to lead from the front.

On the other hand, if you get Osborne as party leader, or Gove...well, you'll really know what unelectable means then. Corbyn won't even need to speak.

2020 is going to be amazing.

I think you've had enough to drink now. Go and have a little lie down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Five years is a long time in politics.

To pin your hopes in such a manner speaks volumes of the status quo.

Very Mañana

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Prime Minister George Osborne.

Prime Minister Michael Gove.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Prime Minister George Osborne.

Prime Minister Michael Gove.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

You forgot Prime Minister Lancaster.

Lovely guy. You heard it here first.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

He would be a better choice than those three put together.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself."

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

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By *ax-BangingMan over a year ago

town

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

Go back to la la land fella I'm not a Tory voter

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

That's what inbreeding does.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

Go back to la la land fella I'm not a Tory voter "

Not all ignorant people are Tory voters, either!

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

"Prime Minister George Osborne.

Prime Minister Michael Gove.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

No mention of May ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It doesn't make any difference whatsoever... it could be bleeding Maggie Thatcher or Lenin himself... the next election is almost certainly gonna be between Boris Johnson and whoever else wants to run the country. The minute the British public get a whiff of his jovial bumbling humour, and they do replays of all his TV antics, it's just game over. It'll be the first election where someone got voted in purely because most people in the country have a soft spot for him...

...but then I have been wrong before lol

Boris Johnson vs. Jeremy Corbyn... now there's a general election I'm looking forward to

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Prime Minister George Osborne.

Prime Minister Michael Gove.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

No mention of May ? "

Too many enemies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

He's a man of the people.

Nothing wrong with a champagne socialist.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

Don't judge your opponents with contempt, it leads to delusional beliefs in your own rightness.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

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a lot of the shadow cabinet were educated in the fee paying system.

I admire JC for having the courage of his convictions. I identify with a lot of his aims and objectives in so far as defence education and health are concerned. He is different as I see no difference between the Blairites and the current crop of Tories.

It's interesting to see that today both Cooper and Burnham are making noises about bring in a JC shadow cabinet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Prime example of left wingers who don't live in the real world this thread.......

Actually, it's more a prime example of Tory voters believing that what the Daily Mail tells them on the front page is the real world. So no change there.

But I don't read the Daily Mail. More of Guardian, Independent and sometimes Telegraph man myself.

Hey, not all Tory voters are ignorant!

Just the majority.

Don't judge your opponents with contempt, it leads to delusional beliefs in your own rightness."

It's ok the left are allowed to sling mud. Then cry fowl when it happens to them.

Link Please??????.....

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

You can't control where your parents choose to send you to school.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

You can't control where your parents choose to send you to school."
A magistrate can "approve" one for you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

You can't control where your parents choose to send you to school."

Quite agree but it only becomes an issue when it involves mud slinging the Tory party for some reason.

It's a ridiculous slur to be honest as you quite correctly point out its not exactly the Members fault.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I like Jeremey, he got fire and big following wherever he goes that the other 4 miss."

As may be but from a strategic point of view these new followers are almost worthless to him. Most have no history of voting for anyone but even worse for JC most of these new supporters live in areas which already return Labour MPs.

What Labour needs is to win is centrist swing voters in marginal seats not more hard left voters in safe Labour seats.

There is a chance that JC may help improve Labour's position in Scotland but not by enough to win a General Election. In fact winning hard left votes in Scotland could actually add to Labour's problems in the rest of the UK, especially England.

The reality is that the next General Election will be won or lost by centrist swing voters in Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick. JC has far less appeal for them even Mr Ed Miliband had.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

£7,000 a year fees! Expensive! That's today, mind you. Jeremy Corbyn was sent there by his parents in 1955. Probably a little bit less back then than £7,000, but that wouldn't be so easily lapped up, would it?

The whole point of that article is to try to mark JC as a hypocrite because he wants to remove charity status from fee paying schools. He is opposed to tax payers ('hard working people doing the right thing!' in CamSpeak) subsidising fee paying schools for the rich.

Now, I wonder how many of the multi-millionaires on the Tory front bench are pushing for the same thing? Well, naturally the answer is none, because they are quite happy that you as a tax-payer subsidise the education of their children, and the children of their rich friends.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

Point proven thank you very much

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

How bereft of new ideas all four seem to be.

They are all just trying to put a gloss on yesteryear's policies

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

You can't control where your parents choose to send you to school.

Quite agree but it only becomes an issue when it involves mud slinging the Tory party for some reason.

It's a ridiculous slur to be honest as you quite correctly point out its not exactly the Members fault. "

Totally agree. Anyway I'm not in favour of personal attacks on anyone. In other threads I've argued against his politics and policies. In this thread I'm not even doing that. I'm simply looking at his election to the leadership from a strategic point of view and what it means for British politics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's quite ironic that a Labour crook funded me through School.

I was completely oblivious I hasten to add.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

Actually it has been an on going debate in the Tory party for years. The Charitable Status of private schools is very much a double edged sword, often leading to way too much money being spent on capital projects which ultimately lead to higher fees making them less affordable for the very middle classes the charitable status was meant to encourage.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

So, you'll list for me the front benchers who are seeking to remove charitable status from public schools, then, yes?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

So, you'll list for me the front benchers who are seeking to remove charitable status from public schools, then, yes?"

You need to spend more time listening to what your opponents actually say rather than what you think they are saying. The reality is that the front bench of the Tory party (and Labour Party) can afford to send their kids to any school they choose regardless of the charitable status or the amount the fees are.

Charitable status for private schools exists because removing it would be unpopular with the voters of Rugby, Nuneaton and Warwick who believe that it may actually help them to afford private education for their children. In my opinion, and many others, it does not achieve this but actually has the opposite affect.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

So, you'll list for me the front benchers who are seeking to remove charitable status from public schools, then, yes?"

Treasury Benchers? None.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

So, you'll list for me the front benchers who are seeking to remove charitable status from public schools, then, yes?

Which is exactly my point. It's a method of moving money from the poor, to the rich. The front benches are quite comfortable with that, thank you. The middle class argument is merely a blind.

Corbyn, the so called 'champagne socialist' as we have seen above, is actually campaigning against it. So he is doing something that the average reader of the Daily Mail would benefit from.

And it's the worst kind of logical fallacy to imply that the rich don't mind paying taxes on school fees because they can afford to pay them. That they can afford to is an irrelevance. Otherwise they wouldn't be seeking to avoid paying taxes through every possible loophole available to them - including school fees.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

Jeremy Corbyn wants a fair and just society (Good)..whilst David Cameron is desperately working for an unfair and unjust society (Evil)...seems a straightforward choice..don't you just love how simple politics can be when Utopians explain it to us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"but of course we have the Labour Party botched attempt at a coup first to look forward to

Either that or someone will keep letting the tyres down on his bicycle, so he doesn't get to work on time.

He always managed to get to his £7000 a year private school on time apparently

Smell the fear!

When you regurgitate the hook points of Daily Mail articles, you perfectly illustrate my point, so thank you for that.

The Daily Mail are so 'eager' to get Corbyn elected, that they are trying to paint him as a 'champagne socialist', for the benefit of people who can't read beyond the headlines.

As for the truly rich, charitable status of private schools wouldn't bother them one way or another.

But understanding that is not really as easy as sneering at a perceived 'champagne socialist', now, is it?

So, you'll list for me the front benchers who are seeking to remove charitable status from public schools, then, yes?

Which is exactly my point. It's a method of moving money from the poor, to the rich. The front benches are quite comfortable with that, thank you. The middle class argument is merely a blind.

Corbyn, the so called 'champagne socialist' as we have seen above, is actually campaigning against it. So he is doing something that the average reader of the Daily Mail would benefit from.

Actually I think you'll find it's more about having policies that appeal to an aspirational centrist voter in Rugby, Nuneaton or Warrick. Something Labour was able to do in the 60's, 90's and 00's but has decided not to do for the teens.

I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana "

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

He seems a straightforward labour person to me. All organizations change and breakaways like the libdems are up shit creek. It's not my party or vote but Jeremy C seems a decent guy and politics across the spectrum would be a better place with more like him.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election."

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Jeremy Corbyn wants a fair and just society (Good)..whilst David Cameron is desperately working for an unfair and unjust society (Evil)...seems a straightforward choice..don't you just love how simple politics can be when Utopians explain it to us.

I don't know if you're a Utopian, but you summed it up quite simply. Well done you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was."

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana "

Obvious...it's a Murdoch conspiracy!

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"On the eve of the result being announced would thelection of Jeremy Corbyn spell the end of the Labour Party? It's 100 yeas ago this month since the death of the party's founder Kier Hardy. Are the founding ideals of the party relevant to day?

If JC is the new leader will we see a break way party born like the SDP of the Shirley Williams and Roy Jenkins type?

A commentator on the today programme likened an election of JC to the detination of a neutron bomb in the Labour Party ...........is that the case?"
. I will be glad to see him elected . Totally unsuited to run the country though the prospect of him being a prime minister is laughable ( I hope ).

It is probably be the end of the Labour Party .

The recent general election showed whom the electorate wants to run the country. Labour did badly then and will be even worse under Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

It's also been reported in many other Newspapers and platforms though even Left wing ones. (Ps only read the Daily Mail for the Sport it has an excellent boxing page)

I find it odd that it seems to come back to a single strand argument and label all the time. Perhaps some new material?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways."

It has relevance when you have a cabinet comprised of Etonians whose policies are designed specifically to benefit those with the money to utilise public schools, at the disadvantage of those who never will. Because it illustrates a clear problem in our political governance.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I haven't read through the thread on the basis that I can pretty much guess how this discussion has gone so far.

Sadiq Khan has secured the Labour vote to stand as their candidate for Mayor of London next year. The voting system means it was on the basis of the second, third, fourth and fifth choices. He has been pounding the streets and meeting people to get those votes.

Corbyn has been filling venues, with extra rooms being filled to watch him on a screen. He's been pounding the streets and meeting people to get the votes.

The chances are that it won't be on the first preferences alone.

What I find interesting is that that Osborne's speech today was about Labour being out of touch.

We are FIVE years away from a general election so what does it matter to the Tories now if Labour voters choose to elect Corbyn?

It seems to me that Corbyn is providing an outlet for people who feel that the current centrist politics has not worked for them.

I personally don't think it much matters who Labour elects this time around in terms of the next general election because I can't see Labour being elected in five years.

What does matter is that that there is an actual opposition now. Corbyn provides the best chance of seeing the opposition ensure that policies and laws are scrutinised, questioned and that people who oppose those proposals are given a voice in parliament.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways."

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

It's also been reported in many other Newspapers and platforms though even Left wing ones. (Ps only read the Daily Mail for the Sport it has an excellent boxing page)

I find it odd that it seems to come back to a single strand argument and label all the time. Perhaps some new material? "

When it ceases to annoy, maybe.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

I've not been following the contest but people kept saying during the GE that there was no difference between the parties.

Well JC is offering something different, but I'm sure pundits will still find a reason to bitch about it, they always find something.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I haven't read through the thread on the basis that I can pretty much guess how this discussion has gone so far.

Corbyn has been filling venues, with extra rooms being filled to watch him on a screen. He's been pounding the streets and meeting people to get the votes.

The chances are that it won't be on the first preferences alone.

What I find interesting is that that Osborne's speech today was about Labour being out of touch.

We are FIVE years away from a general election so what does it matter to the Tories now if Labour voters choose to elect Corbyn?

It seems to me that Corbyn is providing an outlet for people who feel that the current centrist politics has not worked for them.

I personally don't think it much matters who Labour elects this time around in terms of the next general election because I can't see Labour being elected in five years.

Well said.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

Only 70%?

I think your seriously underestimating the full reach of the Mail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant."

I think that's a bit of a cop out personally but hey ho. Maybe an indication why people keep picking up on it? And no I don't read the fucking Mail.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family ."

Exactly. And when the closest to principals that the current cabinet have come is when their mums were buying knickers at the similarly names shop, that is a rare thing indeed.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

I don't know if you're a Utopian, but you summed it up quite simply. Well done you!"

And there's me thinking the irony was somewhat laboured..no pun intended

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

I think that's a bit of a cop out personally but hey ho. Maybe an indication why people keep picking up on it? And no I don't read the fucking Mail."

How is it a cop out in any way? It's an exact description of the issue!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

It's also been reported in many other Newspapers and platforms though even Left wing ones. (Ps only read the Daily Mail for the Sport it has an excellent boxing page)

I find it odd that it seems to come back to a single strand argument and label all the time. Perhaps some new material?

When it ceases to annoy, maybe.

Do not confuse amuse with annoy your very argument is based on the fact that you must have to keep reading the daily mail for your own defence lol.

Anyway in my opinion in five years time politics will be a very different place indeed. A strong leader will have to emerge whether that's for the good of the people or the very worst?

Either way Corbyn once tried to table a motion about Arsenal being the greatest Football team. And that's pretty ok in my book.

It'

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was."

I know but I didn't. Can we move on now? Please!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family ."

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant."

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

They want a good health and education system plus a fair welfare state. Voters had enough common sense to realise that provision of these services costs money and wanted to ensure that they were fairly allocated .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Why does the Daily Mail keep coming up?

It's a pretty lazy and sweeping argument.

Very Mañana

Because that crap about Corbyn's school fees was lifted straight from the Daily Mail.

Like roughly 70% of the opinions on anything in The Lounge.

Only 70%?

I think your seriously underestimating the full reach of the Mail.

Hehe, maybe. There are more than a few socially aware people in The Lounge though. It's not exclusively the preserve of the 'immigrants are ISIS' brigade.

Just most of it.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended. "

I know, I know, you're here all week, try the fish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

I think that's a bit of a cop out personally but hey ho. Maybe an indication why people keep picking up on it? And no I don't read the fucking Mail.

How is it a cop out in any way? It's an exact description of the issue!

Because if it's wrong to keep referencing one persons' schooling (about which they probably had no choice) then it's wrong to keep referencing another persons' schooling (about which they also probably had no choice).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

I know, I know, you're here all week, try the fish."

Ah condescension the last vestibule in an argument.

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By *igeiaWoman over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family ."

He disagreed with his wife over their son's education. Not necessarily for political reasons; it could just as easily have been parental ones. I was offered a scholarship to a public school and chose not to go for a myriad of reasons; none political since I was ten at the time. Talking to my mum years later she was glad I made that choice for the simple fact that she would have missed me.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

"
. However given the choice you would expect most parents to send their kids to a private school. That is what his wife wanted . His attitude towards his family is rather callous and shows him to be a totally self centred indudividual..

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

I think that's a bit of a cop out personally but hey ho. Maybe an indication why people keep picking up on it? And no I don't read the fucking Mail.

How is it a cop out in any way? It's an exact description of the issue!

Yes...if you ignore everything I said that you responded to, then that seems fair enough.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

That is factually untrue.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

. However given the choice you would expect most parents to send their kids to a private school. That is what his wife wanted . His attitude towards his family is rather callous and shows him to be a totally self centred indudividual.."

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

Yes, it could well be for parental reasons, how would we know?

Unless you read it in the Daily Mail, where it will be because he believes that only the father has the inherent right to decide a child's education.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love this place. Hot naked people debating politics with the occasional barb.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

That's a whole different argument. No, I wouldn't expect most parents to send their children to private school if they have the choice. Most of the people I know who went to public and private school chose to send their children to state schools.

Unless you know what happened in Corbyn's marriage and the discussions they had with their child I suggest you have no idea how self centred or not the decision was.

It also has NOTHING to do with whether Labour will survive under Corbyn or whether he will provide a good opposition.

I will repeat for the hard of reading: we are FIVE YEARS away from a general election.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

Of course he has an opinion, his wife agreed with him in principle, but as a mother she knew that their son would struggle in the local comp.

Corbyn put his own principles before his son's possible happiness. Not content with that he divorced his wife because of her stance.

That smacks of party before people, and we all know the lessons from history that form of fundamentalism teaches us

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

Unless you know what happened in Corbyn's marriage and the discussions they had with their child I suggest you have no idea how self centred or not the decision was.

It also has NOTHING to do with whether Labour will survive under Corbyn or whether he will provide a good opposition.

I will repeat for the hard of reading: we are FIVE YEARS away from a general election.

Which neatly illustrates how scared Corbyn has made the neoliberal establishment. If they are making an issue of him before he is even leader, the mind boggles at where we will be in two year's tome when he has got more than a few PMQs under his belt.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

Of course he has an opinion, his wife agreed with him in principle, but as a mother she knew that their son would struggle in the local comp.

Corbyn put his own principles before his son's possible happiness. Not content with that he divorced his wife because of her stance.

That smacks of party before people, and we all know the lessons from history that form of fundamentalism teaches us"

Mrs Corbyn, is that you?!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

Whilst I don't agree with his beliefs I really don't think applying what you believe in for others to your own children is not being self centred. If he had sent his kids to a private school school no doubt many would now be calling him a hypocrite (think Diane Abbot).

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win."

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

That is factually untrue. "
. I stand corrected and apologise . What I should have said was that the Conservative Party received more votes that any other party . I hope that this clarifies the issue.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

...............

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended. "

A well-known old Etonian was asked if Eton was the best school in England.

He replied that Eton isn't even the best school in Windsor.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread."
. Maybe list five of his policies that will help the electorate .

Some of his policies are laughable . He is even proposing to bring some industries back under state ownership.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread.. Maybe list five of his policies that will help the electorate .

Some of his policies are laughable . He is even proposing to bring some industries back under state ownership. "

When will he do this? You and others have already said he will never be PM so what does it matter to you if you find his policies laughable? He won't be able to enact them.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread."

Your argument would hold more sway if you also applied it to those you oppose. DC'S and GO's education is actually no more or less relevant than JC's yours or mine.

I think it was Tony Benn who always used to say 'It's the policies not the person that counts'

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

...............

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

A well-known old Etonian was asked if Eton was the best school in England.

He replied that Eton isn't even the best school in Windsor."
. Which school in Windsor did he consider to be better?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread."

You seem to enjoy telling "the Tories and their media" what they want and what they mean by their every action.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Plus I'm sure many would argue that the current labour party has been dragged so far into the political centre that the name in all it has in common with the original. "
This is the same for all parties I believe.

In the past we had a choice between political ideologies, now it is just about personalities.

This is why so many people do not vote any more, politics has become a slanging match between parties with very few policies to actually differentiate them.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Giles Brandreth is on the One Show exposing people in Guildford for liking Corbyn's policies. They are all alarmed to find they like his policies.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

...............

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

A well-known old Etonian was asked if Eton was the best school in England.

He replied that Eton isn't even the best school in Windsor.. Which school in Windsor did he consider to be better?."

I dunno. I was too busy stopping him sticking his hand up my kilt.

They seldom forget the 'swing, swing together, with your willy between his cheeks' and so on. Might glad I kept my distance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Giles Brandreth is on the One Show exposing people in Guildford for liking Corbyn's policies. They are all alarmed to find they like his policies.

I've just watched that. It was quite interesting because there was a very similar exercise carried out up here (solid safe labour seats) where a lot of people were confronted with the same realisation about liking Conservative policies before the election.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Giles Brandreth is on the One Show exposing people in Guildford for liking Corbyn's policies. They are all alarmed to find they like his policies.

Also "Do you think tuition fees should be scrapped and replaced with maintenance grants?" is quite a different proposition from "Do you think tuition fees should be scrapped and replaced with maintenance grants, and the cost would be £x, and we'd pay for that by doing y."

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Giles Brandreth is on the One Show exposing people in Guildford for liking Corbyn's policies. They are all alarmed to find they like his policies.

I like it when people actually find out what the policies are and decide on that basis. Unfortunately, they generally dismiss the policies they say they like on the basis of a set view on the type of politics/party/individual they support.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Giles Brandreth is on the One Show exposing people in Guildford for liking Corbyn's policies. They are all alarmed to find they like his policies.

Yep. Or their set view on who they "should" support, which is rife here.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i did vote in the end.... i was originally in the anyone but corbyn camp... and i wanted one of the others to give me a reason to not to vote for him... but in the husting event i have been to, the one that has stood out was jeremy corbyn...

so it was with gritted teeth that i put him down as 1st preference, cooper as 2nd preference and burnham as 3rd

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

And one of the reasons Corbyns wife left him was because he refused to allow his son to go to a private school even though he went to one himself.He. put politics bbefore his family .

He lives what he believes.

He didn't have a choice about his own schooling but he should have a choice about his son's. It is possible to turn out alright if you don't go to public or private school.

We can, and should, defeat JC on his policies alone; we don't need to question his integrity to win.

But that's the point, the last thing the Tories or their media want is anyone focussing on JC's policies, for the simple reason that they are going to prove to be very popular indeed.

Trying to smear his integrity is all they've got. And there are plenty of people who will lap it up, as we can see from this thread.

You seem to enjoy telling "the Tories and their media" what they want and what they mean by their every action. "

I'm free to make the observations, am I not?

You obviously find it challenging though...why not just ignore the posts if you find my points impossible to refute?

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By *_nnybag69Man over a year ago

Manchester

what a load of bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Labour are a lost cause. They lost sight of who they were as soon as they decided that Tony Blair (closet conservative)was going to lead the party.

My Dad was Labour all his life.

I'm Conservative cos I dont trust Labour to be Labour

Better the devil you know

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn is a breath of fresh (and somewhat honest) air

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sick of hearing about it.media fest on all candidates.the simple truth is labour didn't get enough votes...even tho its a lot easier for them than the tories to get a majority to make a government...The fact is the tories got a majority...is this because no one trusted labour,or no one liked miliband or only tories turned out to vote...who knows.the thing is will a proper left wing labour government win a general election....I doubt it,this is 2015 not 1975...but who am I to say lol

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was."

If only the poor defenceless Labour party had access to sympathetic newspapers too.

It's all so unfair.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that the poor defenceless labour party that bankrupt and fucked the UK in 10 years in office

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a Conservative voter, I am disappointed by the possibility of JC in charge. A strong government needs a strong opposition. His ideas are such Marxist nonsense, they will take Labour back to the Looney Left years in Opposition under unelectable leaders like Foot and Kinnock.

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By *ushtush300Couple over a year ago

Southport

I truly believe that it is time for a new perspective to what we all want from our society. Personally gaining the respect of our youth is key to any party being truly progressive. JC has created a fantastic debate on society not only nationally but globally. So many of us are fecked off with the political system as it is elite, and globally controlled - Role on change for us all

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By *ushtush300Couple over a year ago

Southport

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By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"It doesn't make any difference whatsoever... it could be bleeding Maggie Thatcher or Lenin himself... the next election is almost certainly gonna be between Boris Johnson and whoever else wants to run the country. The minute the British public get a whiff of his jovial bumbling humour, and they do replays of all his TV antics, it's just game over. It'll be the first election where someone got voted in purely because most people in the country have a soft spot for him...

...but then I have been wrong before lol

Boris Johnson vs. Jeremy Corbyn... now there's a general election I'm looking forward to

"
Lenin everyone mentioned here but the commies.. chuck them into the mix with the left wing and socialists we can have a proper Party then....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"h"

I agree

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

You have to laugh at the Tories (above) whistling to keep their spirits up.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I truly believe that it is time for a new perspective to what we all want from our society. Personally gaining the respect of our youth is key to any party being truly progressive. JC has created a fantastic debate on society not only nationally but globally. So many of us are fecked off with the political system as it is elite, and globally controlled - Role on change for us all

I'd really like to believe that JC campaign had reinfused the youth to take a more active part in politics. Unfortunately I think he's only infused Labour leaning supporters in Labour leaning areas. This will probably result in larger Labour majorities in already safe Labour seats but is unlikely to lead to Labour gaining any new marginal seats on the foreseeable future.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"You have to laugh at the Tories (above) whistling to keep their spirits up."

Really, honestly and truly they're not. If anything the Tories are shocked at the absolute madness of it. Bit like watching lemmings jumping of cliffs.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm not sure that is entirely true.

I was talking to some teenagers a few weeks ago who said they wished they were allowed to pay the £3 to vote as they would vote for Corbyn. The point they were making to me was that they will be able to vote for the first time at the next general election and they want to see some differences between the parties.

Us oldies who remember the 70s might decry his politics as old hat (I'm not saying that I do) but it's new politics for them. Most things are cyclical.

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By *ushtush300Couple over a year ago

Southport

In its current form democracy doesnt really exist we are first past the post pro two party systeem but reality is our political system is corrupt and influenced by big busness and multinational institutions reality is they pay for the campaigns and the administration for most parties labour in particular during blares reign but in the end it is up to real people to make change and even in affluent south they are fed up with elitism it doesnt help the working men women we need real change to make society fairer

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

The Labour Party are worried they'll be unelectable if Corbyn becomes leader- as the last election showed, they've been unelectable for a while and they're obviously more interested in their own individual careers than the party as a whole- the biggest surge in interest for over a decade makes them less electable?

There's a good chance JC will be in charge tomorrow-.how long that will last is another thing, but hopefully he'll at least leave the legacy that a hell of a lot of people want a major change in politics and how/who those elected serve

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You have to laugh at the Tories (above) whistling to keep their spirits up."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You have to laugh at the Tories (above) whistling to keep their spirits up.

Really, honestly and truly they're not. If anything the Tories are shocked at the absolute madness of it. Bit like watching lemmings jumping of cliffs."

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"You have to laugh at the Tories (above) whistling to keep their spirits up.

Really, honestly and truly they're not. If anything the Tories are shocked at the absolute madness of it. Bit like watching lemmings jumping of cliffs."

Whistle, whistle, whistle.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"The Labour Party are worried they'll be unelectable if Corbyn becomes leader- as the last election showed, they've been unelectable for a while and they're obviously more interested in their own individual careers than the party as a whole- the biggest surge in interest for over a decade makes them less electable?

The above is not only untrue but irrelevant. But, hey, whistle all you like.

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

The above is not only untrue but irrelevant. But, hey, whistle all you like."

I'd love to hear how it's untrue considering the kicking Labour took in the last GE and the mass of support for Corbyn.

As for irrelevant, I know a large number of people sick and tired of corporate funded and focussed politics from both Labour and Tories (and Lib dens, before they committed political sucicide)- this election is far from irrelevant for them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Glad I'm not a Tory I can't whistle.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

The above is not only untrue but irrelevant. But, hey, whistle all you like.

I'd love to hear how it's untrue considering the kicking Labour took in the last GE and the mass of support for Corbyn.

Just as a simple example - you say 'unelectable for a while' when the fact is they were unelected (not unelectable) once (not for a while).

Keep whistling.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Glad I'm not a Tory I can't whistle. "

I can't either!!

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

The above is not only untrue but irrelevant. But, hey, whistle all you like.

I'd love to hear how it's untrue considering the kicking Labour took in the last GE and the mass of support for Corbyn.

Just as a simple example - you say 'unelectable for a while' when the fact is they were unelected (not unelectable) once (not for a while).

Keep whistling."

They were not elected twice, coalition term and this year- this year was a disaster as they provided no real alternative to the Tories, they had a poor leader, little support from the traditional source of the unions and basically offer little to the man in the street either- all this on top of the Blair/Brown fiasco- they we're unelectable as they had little worth electing them for.

I wish they could be trusted, Blair offered so much promise but it was a bullshit smokescreen- the current lot are big business and self serving tosses and as mentioned, the Lib Dems need more than a miracle to regain any degree of credibility

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

To he honest with all the Labour supporters here, I don't think the Tories will be too worried which ever of the four actually wins. Non of them really seem to offer anything much that would convince swing or Tory voters to move to Labour.

Now if Chuka Umunna ever become leader that would probably cause more panic in Tory circles than... well I really can't think of anything actually!

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"Is that the poor defenceless labour party that bankrupt and fucked the UK in 10 years in office

"
. The party that was rejected by the electorate at the last election . More people voted for the conservatives than any other party because they vaslue the NHS , the welfare state , education, and a fairer society . At least they had the common sense to realise that all these services cost money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is that the poor defenceless labour party that bankrupt and fucked the UK in 10 years in office

. The party that was rejected by the electorate at the last election . More people voted for the conservatives than any other party because they vaslue the NHS , the welfare state , education, and a fairer society . At least they had the common sense to realise that all these services cost money. "

God damn someone with sense....sorry for cutbacks in local councils,had to come after labours DEBT YEARS...oh yes all of them...fuck about lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended. "

Yes, it is clearly preferable to provide tax breaks to extremely wealthy individuals rather than waste money on frivolous schemes like refuge centres for women who have been subject to domestic abuse or speech therapy for people who have had strokes, or assistance for disabled people. Fortunately Eton attendees tend to have the cash reserves to buy the services they need and so help for those who can't is clearly wasteful.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is that the poor defenceless labour party that bankrupt and fucked the UK in 10 years in office

God damn someone with sense....sorry for cutbacks in local councils,had to come after labours DEBT YEARS...oh yes all of them...fuck about lol"

I not s labour supporter, but it is pirtsnt to remember that the financial crisis was a global issue resulting from the sub prime mortgage crash in the USA and the market in derivative stocks and debt. This was a crisis caused by irresponsible behaviour in the financial sector, not labour spending. This is unequivocal, documented, and non controversial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory."

Well they did,irregardless of domestic abuse...speech therapy...disabilities....race....creed....size....colour....The electorate voted tory...by a majority god damn. ...and like I said earlier it's harder for the tories to get a majority than labour......just shows how much trust or how bad the labour manifesto was .........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory.

No they did not. There is a massive difference between winning an election and securing votes from the majority of voters.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory.

No they did not. There is a massive difference between winning an election and securing votes from the majority of voters."

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory.

No they did not. There is a massive difference between winning an election and securing votes from the majority of voters."
. Regardless of how you present it the conservatives won by a significant majority and represent the opinions of the ordinary hard working man in the street.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not here to day to argue the merits or demerits of any one policy; rather to look at the possible strategies that might, or might not, lead to a Labour victory at a future general election.

We're talking about it because someone above thought the fact that JC was sent to a private school in 1955 is somehow relevant today.

And they thought that because the Daily Mail told them it was.

Do you find the fact David Cameron went to Eton relevant? Because I don't find JC going to private school relevant, but it works both ways.

When you are talking about a man who is attempting to break that unfair system, who is not surrounded by people who he was at school with, then no, it is not relevant.

The majority of the voters in Britain are happy with the current government and cabinet and as such voted for them in the recent general election. .

We should be proud of establishments such as Eton and people should consider it an honour to have attended.

The majority of voters did not vote Tory.

No they did not. There is a massive difference between winning an election and securing votes from the majority of voters."

I know..that's why I'm saying it's harder for the tories to get majority than labour...but the tories secured the votes with a majority....so labour were abandoned at the polls or didn't turn up. ...either way the British public voted tory....and probably will do again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Is that the poor defenceless labour party that bankrupt and fucked the UK in 10 years in office

God damn someone with sense....sorry for cutbacks in local councils,had to come after labours DEBT YEARS...oh yes all of them...fuck about lol

You may be partly, or even mostly, right but Uncle Gordon took the credit when things went well so must also take the blame when things go back.

And at the end of the day we didn't have enough money to solve the problem with out having to borrow. You can not be in power and not take responsibility.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

If you don't like the electoral system then campaign to change it. The referendum to change it was defeated last time.

The reality is that the Tories won the election. You can argue about whether they won because they got more than anybody else or because less people voted for any other party.

In reality is, with the exception of 1945 and 1997 no party has won the majority of the votes in any general election.

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By *aughtyinguMan over a year ago

swindon

People bought into the lie that the torys peddled, labour actually ran a slightly small deficit than the previous tory government, even Maggie never ran a surplus. And its not like nearly every other nation had a bad patch at the same time... Oh wait.

And people stupidly trusted torys with there curiously blank manifesto and surprisingly nice promises.

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