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"You don't? Really? If it was about everyday sexism against women sure I'd agree with you...but that's not the title or hash tag." Bearing in mind it started as something really small, it didn't start as a big campaign or a movement, no I don't. It started as one woman sharing her experience which, because she's a woman, was about a woman's experience. Other women did the same and it became what it is. You could perhaps argue that now it's taken on a bigger presence it should look to be more inclusive of male and trans experience but that's something different from what it originally aspired to be. | |||
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"I can't resist - this is too ridiculous I was reading a running forum, which was discussing a guardian (yeah...exactly!) article on women running in public. The forum of runners was well balanced on how men and women in Ireland get similar stupid passerby comments. Which led me to a certain website which frames sexism as a women's only problem. "By sharing your story you’re showing the world that sexism does exist, it is faced by WOMEN everyday and it is a valid problem to discuss" Come on now...is the irony lost on whoever came up with this?" I think you are missing the point. I also suspect that you may have seen some of your own behaviours questioned hence your response, but that is pure speculation | |||
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"Agreed diamond....but this sort of madness in the media/web is a little disturbing. Trying to get women riled up about perceived injustice. " well it has the opposite effect on me. I don't go round scrutinising every word a man says to me or every look just so I could find something sexist in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the bigger issues, women in other countries having the same rights, women being treated as equals everywhere, but people read/see/percieve things that arnt even there. Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours | |||
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" I think you are missing the point. I also suspect that you may have seen some of your own behaviours questioned hence your response, but that is pure speculation" You've lost me there??? It could have been a useful project if it wasn't so ridiculous and blind to its own sexism. | |||
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"Don't get me started, I can't take it seriously, it makes me laugh at what some actually get offended by, how some will read things how they want. I'm 50 years old, I've had some shit from guys, some really unpleasant but plenty of guys have a hard time. Some of the language banded around for petty things undermines the bigger issues. I'm a normal woman and I'm quite capable of telling someone to fuck off if I think their behaviour is inappropriate or have it felt with" A normal woman  I'm also quite capable of telling people to fuck off when their behaviour is inappropriate; this doesn't mean that others who don't feel comfortable doing that should be belittled. | |||
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"Would the matching book get the same sales figures if it took a balanced view I wonder???? "Why do you think it wouldn't? I haven't, and most likely won't, buy it, but I don't see why my opinion would be swayed if it included male experience in it too. | |||
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"Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours " I totally disagree with you on this. I'm not gay but homophobia pisses me off. I'm Caucasian but racism pisses me off. If I didn't encounter sexism myself regularly it would still piss me off on behalf of people experiencing it. Feminism to me is about equality, which is probably why most of my male friends also consider themselves feminists. | |||
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"Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours I totally disagree with you on this. I'm not gay but homophobia pisses me off. I'm Caucasian but racism pisses me off. If I didn't encounter sexism myself regularly it would still piss me off on behalf of people experiencing it. Feminism to me is about equality, which is probably why most of my male friends also consider themselves feminists."  | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life " Sometimes banter is just a cover for bullying. Better a little awareness than a 70's attitude. | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life " Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life " I can't be arsed to repeat all my posts from that other thread. But you clearly think that things like this are creating the problem, whereas I think that there's more discussion as a result of more people being able to challenge sexism and other forms of prejudice and having a means to do so. It's like claiming that racism didn't exist and was just created by media coverage of the civil rights movement in the 60s. Just because people weren't talking about something and then start doing so, doesn't mean that it's causing or inventing it. | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive?" There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me." You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples?" I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. | |||
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"Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours I totally disagree with you on this. I'm not gay but homophobia pisses me off. I'm Caucasian but racism pisses me off. If I didn't encounter sexism myself regularly it would still piss me off on behalf of people experiencing it. Feminism to me is about equality, which is probably why most of my male friends also consider themselves feminists." Then let's call it that. Equality. Then is equal. For all. | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. " Don't care to or can't? And of course equality ois a goal but let;s face it as white hetrosexual males we are by far the most advantaged in society. And calling for equality while referring to the highlighting of inequality as 'madness' is far more ironic than anything you have highlighted in your opening post | |||
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"Agreed diamond....but this sort of madness in the media/web is a little disturbing. Trying to get women riled up about perceived injustice." It's what the media/web do best. Don't bite, ignore it  | |||
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"Sexism against men is a thing, but it's nowhere near the level of what women have to put up with. What's more, feminism actually promotes breaking down gender roles, which can alleviate the sexist attitudes towards men." Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked " Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency. | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. Don't care to or can't? And of course equality ois a goal but let;s face it as white hetrosexual males we are by far the most advantaged in society. And calling for equality while referring to the highlighting of inequality as 'madness' is far more ironic than anything you have highlighted in your opening post" Of course I can, all men can if they think about but I suspect we aren't as concerned, we don't have a media stream in our ear trying to make us angry about the little things. Look at your language...the use of the word victim is a little OTT I feel. As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? It doesn't make me angry....sex has always been a woman's prerogative. I don't post up why will no one ride threads - but some guys are in real despair hear it seems. I do get laid of course but it requires a bit of work even if I have a large penis, all my teeth, keep in shape and know how to spell | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. Don't care to or can't? And of course equality ois a goal but let;s face it as white hetrosexual males we are by far the most advantaged in society. And calling for equality while referring to the highlighting of inequality as 'madness' is far more ironic than anything you have highlighted in your opening post Of course I can, all men can if they think about but I suspect we aren't as concerned, we don't have a media stream in our ear trying to make us angry about the little things. Look at your language...the use of the word victim is a little OTT I feel. As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? It doesn't make me angry....sex has always been a woman's prerogative. I don't post up why will no one ride threads - but some guys are in real despair hear it seems. I do get laid of course but it requires a bit of work even if I have a large penis, all my teeth, keep in shape and know how to spell ""Some guys are in real deapair here it seems" - if they're in real despair over not being able to get laid they need to reconsider their priorities in life. It's ludicrous to compare the rough ride men get on here - which they do, and I often disagree with it - with sexism experienced by people in the workplace, the media, the real world, about important things. Why does feminism stop at the UK borders in your sphere? Everyday Sexism also has the experience of women in other countries around the world where the level of discrimination is breathtaking. Should they just shrug it off as well? Are they just following an Internet trend? | |||
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example?" Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though. | |||
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"Ruby You are blurring what I'm saying. I'm in complete agreement with you about other countries. Seeing the women eating separately from the men and walking behind them in a UAE airport is not a good scene. Get to work on that stuff, not trivial annoyances. Some girl post this as her example of sexist victimhood "Are these the perfect pair of lace knickers? Illustrated by a pretty models face Er... Why not just show a pair of knickers! I know what better looking girls look like, I see images of them pushed at me every day. Oh and I was reading the news so how is it relevant ? If you want to sell me your frilly knickers you'd get my attention better by putting them on a man" Come off it.... " It's the point I made the other day about a thousand tiny little things that add up. All of those 'trivial annoyances' can be what combine to make women feel like they have to fit into certain roles, what enables certain double standards to be acceptable and so forth. | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency." From little kids "boys don't cry" when you do? You're weak. When a woman cries, she's expressing her emotion and its alright to cry. We have to pay for dinner. Why? Are you broke? Why am I exchanging treats for sex? Are you a prostitute? Clubbing. "Free entry for ladies until 12" so because I don't own vagina, I have to pay? I'm suppose to be 6ft plus, abs, tattoo, gentlemen but also a bad boy. But god forbid if I tell a woman not to wear revealing clothes publicly or tell her to lose weight. "How old are you?" Oh my god, you can't ask a lady that!!! Lmao but you can ask mine right? Titanic. "Ladies and kids first". Oh right, so my life is not that important then? Funny how no feminist complained about it. Wedding. Why the hell do I have to buy such an expensive ring and dress for you? What do I get in return? "You get me babes" lmao! Great prize (!) Work. "Women are under paid and blah blah blah" women have far better jobs than men, better pay and more security. Disagree? Let's do car check. There are more female drivers ages 18-24 than there are men. In fact... Homeless. If I'm a woman and I need a house. All I need is some sperm without a face and boom, I've got a flat. Men? Nah you're hard, sleep at the homeless shelter or in the street. Should I keep going? Lol | |||
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though." Sexual violence? Like what? Rape? You think men don't get raped or experience sexual violence? But I guess cause we are men, we must love the attention | |||
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"Ruby You are blurring what I'm saying. I'm in complete agreement with you about other countries. Seeing the women eating separately from the men and walking behind them in a UAE airport is not a good scene. Get to work on that stuff, not trivial annoyances. Some girl post this as her example of sexist victimhood "Are these the perfect pair of lace knickers? Illustrated by a pretty models face Er... Why not just show a pair of knickers! I know what better looking girls look like, I see images of them pushed at me every day. Oh and I was reading the news so how is it relevant ? If you want to sell me your frilly knickers you'd get my attention better by putting them on a man" Come off it.... " So using images of attractive women to sell stuff is okay? | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency. From little kids "boys don't cry" when you do? You're weak. When a woman cries, she's expressing her emotion and its alright to cry. We have to pay for dinner. Why? Are you broke? Why am I exchanging treats for sex? Are you a prostitute? Clubbing. "Free entry for ladies until 12" so because I don't own vagina, I have to pay? I'm suppose to be 6ft plus, abs, tattoo, gentlemen but also a bad boy. But god forbid if I tell a woman not to wear revealing clothes publicly or tell her to lose weight. "How old are you?" Oh my god, you can't ask a lady that!!! Lmao but you can ask mine right? Titanic. "Ladies and kids first". Oh right, so my life is not that important then? Funny how no feminist complained about it. Wedding. Why the hell do I have to buy such an expensive ring and dress for you? What do I get in return? "You get me babes" lmao! Great prize (!) Work. "Women are under paid and blah blah blah" women have far better jobs than men, better pay and more security. Disagree? Let's do car check. There are more female drivers ages 18-24 than there are men. In fact... Homeless. If I'm a woman and I need a house. All I need is some sperm without a face and boom, I've got a flat. Men? Nah you're hard, sleep at the homeless shelter or in the street. Should I keep going? Lol" Do you understand that your first point is an example of sexism in itself because it's saying that crying is associated with little girls and is a sign of weakness? Like when blokes are told to "man up": ie they're behaving "like a woman" and we can't have that? Also bloody hell you sound bitter. Sounds like women are indeed an easy target for you to blame all of your woes on. | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency." Quick scenario. Clubbing. I touch bum, I get slapped by you and probably get kicked out the club by the bouncer or worst, beaten up and arrested. But wait a minute. You grab my bum, I react and you still smile like it's ok. I slap you cause that's sexual harassment. Bouncer sees it. Tackles me hard and then kick me out the club IF I'm lucky. | |||
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" It's the point I made the other day about a thousand tiny little things that add up. All of those 'trivial annoyances' can be what combine to make women feel like they have to fit into certain roles, what enables certain double standards to be acceptable and so forth. " The thousand little things are called life. Everyone has a thousand little things....you can choose how you react and develop some character or you can campaign for a world of bubble wrap. And it's shown that you can be what you want in the world we live in - a female CEO, a male nurse...whatever...no one cares about these "gender stereotypes" all that much except the equalists as you (or we?) shall now be better named : D The only restrictions are yourself. What you said there can be inverted in the case of men of course. This has gone way off topic - I just wanted to highlight the ridiculous. | |||
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though. Sexual violence? Like what? Rape? You think men don't get raped or experience sexual violence? But I guess cause we are men, we must love the attention " Surely the point is that comparing men not getting laid on Fab to ANY serious issue is just bollocks? Can't get laid off the Internet? Get over it. | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency. From little kids "boys don't cry" when you do? You're weak. When a woman cries, she's expressing her emotion and its alright to cry. We have to pay for dinner. Why? Are you broke? Why am I exchanging treats for sex? Are you a prostitute? Clubbing. "Free entry for ladies until 12" so because I don't own vagina, I have to pay? I'm suppose to be 6ft plus, abs, tattoo, gentlemen but also a bad boy. But god forbid if I tell a woman not to wear revealing clothes publicly or tell her to lose weight. "How old are you?" Oh my god, you can't ask a lady that!!! Lmao but you can ask mine right? Titanic. "Ladies and kids first". Oh right, so my life is not that important then? Funny how no feminist complained about it. Wedding. Why the hell do I have to buy such an expensive ring and dress for you? What do I get in return? "You get me babes" lmao! Great prize (!) Work. "Women are under paid and blah blah blah" women have far better jobs than men, better pay and more security. Disagree? Let's do car check. There are more female drivers ages 18-24 than there are men. In fact... Homeless. If I'm a woman and I need a house. All I need is some sperm without a face and boom, I've got a flat. Men? Nah you're hard, sleep at the homeless shelter or in the street. Should I keep going? Lol Do you understand that your first point is an example of sexism in itself because it's saying that crying is associated with little girls and is a sign of weakness? Like when blokes are told to "man up": ie they're behaving "like a woman" and we can't have that? Also bloody hell you sound bitter. Sounds like women are indeed an easy target for you to blame all of your woes on. " Lmao I am not bitter. Just giving examples of what men deal with too. If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. | |||
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" It's the point I made the other day about a thousand tiny little things that add up. All of those 'trivial annoyances' can be what combine to make women feel like they have to fit into certain roles, what enables certain double standards to be acceptable and so forth. The thousand little things are called life. Everyone has a thousand little things....you can choose how you react and develop some character or you can campaign for a world of bubble wrap. And it's shown that you can be what you want in the world we live in - a female CEO, a male nurse...whatever...no one cares about these "gender stereotypes" all that much except the equalists as you (or we?) shall now be better named : D The only restrictions are yourself. What you said there can be inverted in the case of men of course. This has gone way off topic - I just wanted to highlight the ridiculous. " It hasn't gone off topic? It's just not gone the way you wanted. | |||
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though. Sexual violence? Like what? Rape? You think men don't get raped or experience sexual violence? But I guess cause we are men, we must love the attention Surely the point is that comparing men not getting laid on Fab to ANY serious issue is just bollocks? Can't get laid off the Internet? Get over it." A sin is a sin. Regardless how much worse one is to the other. | |||
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" It's the point I made the other day about a thousand tiny little things that add up. All of those 'trivial annoyances' can be what combine to make women feel like they have to fit into certain roles, what enables certain double standards to be acceptable and so forth. The thousand little things are called life. Everyone has a thousand little things....you can choose how you react and develop some character or you can campaign for a world of bubble wrap. And it's shown that you can be what you want in the world we live in - a female CEO, a male nurse...whatever...no one cares about these "gender stereotypes" all that much except the equalists as you (or we?) shall now be better named : D The only restrictions are yourself. What you said there can be inverted in the case of men of course. This has gone way off topic - I just wanted to highlight the ridiculous. " None of it is off topic: you posted to highlight what you thought was ridiculous, I disagree and am explaining why I think it's not ridiculous. Or do you only want posts from people who agree with you? There are plenty on the thread. If I disagree with something, why does it show that I'm oversensitive and lack character or backbone because I challenge it and try to change things? | |||
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though. Sexual violence? Like what? Rape? You think men don't get raped or experience sexual violence? But I guess cause we are men, we must love the attention Surely the point is that comparing men not getting laid on Fab to ANY serious issue is just bollocks? Can't get laid off the Internet? Get over it. A sin is a sin. Regardless how much worse one is to the other. " How is it a sin? | |||
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"Ruby You are blurring what I'm saying. I'm in complete agreement with you about other countries. Seeing the women eating separately from the men and walking behind them in a UAE airport is not a good scene. Get to work on that stuff, not trivial annoyances. Some girl post this as her example of sexist victimhood "Are these the perfect pair of lace knickers? Illustrated by a pretty models face Er... Why not just show a pair of knickers! I know what better looking girls look like, I see images of them pushed at me every day. Oh and I was reading the news so how is it relevant ? If you want to sell me your frilly knickers you'd get my attention better by putting them on a man" Come off it.... So using images of attractive women to sell stuff is okay? " is it ok to have men In briefs and topless just to sell a perfume? But I guess it's only a problem when it's a woman | |||
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" If I disagree with something, why does it show that I'm oversensitive and lack character or backbone because I challenge it and try to change things? " I never said that. You have a habit of taking snippets out of different sentences and putting them together to twist my words. My assertion is that your efforts aren't at all prioritised. Who cares about what offends people (particulary whe they are so easily offended) when there are serious women's right issues to be concerned about. | |||
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"Sex is a big aspect of life, this is the main outlet for many I'm sure. One of the thousand little things maybe? Maybe each rejection counts as 1 for some guys? Male suicide rates or do we want to go there? " Wow!  Are you really suggesting that men killing themself is linked to women on here not having sex with them?
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"As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? Men not getting laid on Fab is not the same of women experiencing sexual violence though. Sexual violence? Like what? Rape? You think men don't get raped or experience sexual violence? But I guess cause we are men, we must love the attention Surely the point is that comparing men not getting laid on Fab to ANY serious issue is just bollocks? Can't get laid off the Internet? Get over it. A sin is a sin. Regardless how much worse one is to the other. How is it a sin? " Lol I was speaking metaphorically | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. " And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off." Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in | |||
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"Sex is a big aspect of life, this is the main outlet for many I'm sure. One of the thousand little things maybe? Maybe each rejection counts as 1 for some guys? Male suicide rates or do we want to go there? Wow! Are you really suggesting that men killing themself is linked to women on here not having sex with them?
Though a comment like that does distract from the undercurrent of your posts that women should be having sex with men in order not to offend them!"Why did you wear a suit, got a clean shave, nice aftershave, nice shoes, wanna have a decent car and a nice house? | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" So to clarify it;s a woman's fault if a man leers at her or makes inappropriate comments? | |||
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" Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." That's rubbish.....people can wear what they want. | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" I had to look, stupid me. Stupid me for choosing what I want to wear and assuming that people would just be adult enough to let me wear what I want. We should, of course, all be fully covered from head to foot. Oh wait, the women who do that get attacked in the streets and accused of being downtrodden to boot. It beggars belief that you are arguing men are being treated badly, nay worse than women, and come out with such a post. | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in So to clarify it;s a woman's fault if a man leers at her or makes inappropriate comments? " Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? Don't flash your money about n drive flashy cars and not expect to attract gold diggers. Lol let me use another before you misquote/twist things. Surround yourself with negativity and all you'll get is negativity. | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Actually no-one has ever said that to me because I don't wear revealing clothes publicly. I wear clothes. I use logic. I get unwanted attention but never deliberately draw it. And I have now realised it is pointless attempting to reason with someone (note I said someone, not some man) who chooses to display a naked member of the opposite sex as the majority of their profile picture on a public website and have the temerity to suggest someone else shouldn't be too revealing in public. | |||
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" Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? " How am I misquoting or twisting this: "But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." Or this: "You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Maybe you can clarify what you meant if I'm twisting it? | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in I had to look, stupid me. Stupid me for choosing what I want to wear and assuming that people would just be adult enough to let me wear what I want. We should, of course, all be fully covered from head to foot. Oh wait, the women who do that get attacked in the streets and accused of being downtrodden to boot. It beggars belief that you are arguing men are being treated badly, nay worse than women, and come out with such a post. " Lol are you seriously missing the point or have you chosen not to think about it carefully. If that's the case and your logic towards it. Then please just walk through a dark alley in your underwear. You're an adult and Free to dress how you please. | |||
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" Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? How am I misquoting or twisting this: "But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." Or this: "You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Maybe you can clarify what you meant if I'm twisting it?" Again lol... Where did I say "it's the woman's fault?" You know what... Please please. Buy a Rolex and happily flaunt it in the ghettos of London. I mean you worked hard to buy that Rolex. Why shouldn't you flaunt it anywhere you want. | |||
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" If that's the case and your logic towards it. Then please just walk through a dark alley in your underwear. You're an adult and Free to dress how you please. " So basically if you perceive a woman to be asking for it, it's her fault if she's raped? Or am I twisting your post again? | |||
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" Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? How am I misquoting or twisting this: "But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." Or this: "You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Maybe you can clarify what you meant if I'm twisting it? Again lol... Where did I say "it's the woman's fault?" You know what... Please please. Buy a Rolex and happily flaunt it in the ghettos of London. I mean you worked hard to buy that Rolex. Why shouldn't you flaunt it anywhere you want." You really do like your victim blaming don't you? | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in Actually no-one has ever said that to me because I don't wear revealing clothes publicly. I wear clothes. I use logic. I get unwanted attention but never deliberately draw it. And I have now realised it is pointless attempting to reason with someone (note I said someone, not some man) who chooses to display a naked member of the opposite sex as the majority of their profile picture on a public website and have the temerity to suggest someone else shouldn't be too revealing in public." Lol flAwed logic. It's a swinger site. Hence you in your underwear as your display picture. Which I doubt you'd use as your Facebook picture lol. Now you're just using anything to "attack" back. Lol ok I'll leave it as that seeing now you're trying to throw light insult in the mix. | |||
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" Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? How am I misquoting or twisting this: "But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." Or this: "You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Maybe you can clarify what you meant if I'm twisting it? Again lol... Where did I say "it's the woman's fault?" You know what... Please please. Buy a Rolex and happily flaunt it in the ghettos of London. I mean you worked hard to buy that Rolex. Why shouldn't you flaunt it anywhere you want. You really do like your victim blaming don't you?" Lmao yes. Clearly I do | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in Actually no-one has ever said that to me because I don't wear revealing clothes publicly. I wear clothes. I use logic. I get unwanted attention but never deliberately draw it. And I have now realised it is pointless attempting to reason with someone (note I said someone, not some man) who chooses to display a naked member of the opposite sex as the majority of their profile picture on a public website and have the temerity to suggest someone else shouldn't be too revealing in public. Lol flAwed logic. It's a swinger site. Hence you in your underwear as your display picture. Which I doubt you'd use as your Facebook picture lol. Now you're just using anything to "attack" back. Lol ok I'll leave it as that seeing now you're trying to throw light insult in the mix. " It's me in my underwear. Not someone who may or not have chosen to be displayed. No insult, just a genuine concern. | |||
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" Lmao can you please quote where I said "it's the woman's fault" ? How am I misquoting or twisting this: "But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that." Or this: "You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in" Maybe you can clarify what you meant if I'm twisting it? Again lol... Where did I say "it's the woman's fault?" You know what... Please please. Buy a Rolex and happily flaunt it in the ghettos of London. I mean you worked hard to buy that Rolex. Why shouldn't you flaunt it anywhere you want. You really do like your victim blaming don't you? Lmao yes. Clearly I do" Why the LMAO prefix? | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. Don't care to or can't? And of course equality ois a goal but let;s face it as white hetrosexual males we are by far the most advantaged in society. And calling for equality while referring to the highlighting of inequality as 'madness' is far more ironic than anything you have highlighted in your opening post Of course I can, all men can if they think about but I suspect we aren't as concerned, we don't have a media stream in our ear trying to make us angry about the little things. Look at your language...the use of the word victim is a little OTT I feel. As a white hetrosexual male I feel at a disadvantage trying to get laid on this site - is that an example? It doesn't make me angry....sex has always been a woman's prerogative. I don't post up why will no one ride threads - but some guys are in real despair hear it seems. I do get laid of course but it requires a bit of work even if I have a large penis, all my teeth, keep in shape and know how to spell "You forgot to mention your winning personality | |||
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" If that's the case and your logic towards it. Then please just walk through a dark alley in your underwear. You're an adult and Free to dress how you please. So basically if you perceive a woman to be asking for it, it's her fault if she's raped? Or am I twisting your post again?" Ok I was talking about unwanted attention. You've now taken it to rape and still trying your best to go off topic. | |||
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"If that whole "stop acting like a girl" is such a sexist comment towards women, then why do women always use that option to play victim when they need to get out of a situation or looking for the sympathy vote. And you don't think that assuming all women do exactly the same things as if they are a homogeneous group rather than individuals is an indication that you see them as 'other', therefore not equal to you in having their own separate thoughts and opinions?! Oh, and in response to another of your points without clogging up the thread by quoting the entire thing, anyone (male or female) who tells me as an individual I look fat or I should wear less revealing clothes can equally fuck right off. Lol you're proving me right. So you wear revealing clothes publicly. Lots of guys stare and some even make distasteful remark. But yet you get offended and complain rather than thinking logically that maybe I shouldn't wear that. That's like me going to Selfridges with a hoodie and a balaclava... But complain at the fact I'm being watched or even being kicked out. You can't draw unwanted attention and then play victim like you didn't know what type of world you live in Actually no-one has ever said that to me because I don't wear revealing clothes publicly. I wear clothes. I use logic. I get unwanted attention but never deliberately draw it. And I have now realised it is pointless attempting to reason with someone (note I said someone, not some man) who chooses to display a naked member of the opposite sex as the majority of their profile picture on a public website and have the temerity to suggest someone else shouldn't be too revealing in public. Lol flAwed logic. It's a swinger site. Hence you in your underwear as your display picture. Which I doubt you'd use as your Facebook picture lol. Now you're just using anything to "attack" back. Lol ok I'll leave it as that seeing now you're trying to throw light insult in the mix. It's me in my underwear. Not someone who may or not have chosen to be displayed. No insult, just a genuine concern." What?! Now you're going off topic and claiming I have a pic with someone against their will?! I would love for you to provide evidence to this random conclusion/accusation please | |||
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" If that's the case and your logic towards it. Then please just walk through a dark alley in your underwear. You're an adult and Free to dress how you please. So basically if you perceive a woman to be asking for it, it's her fault if she's raped? Or am I twisting your post again? Ok I was talking about unwanted attention. You've now taken it to rape and still trying your best to go off topic." So what was your comment alluding to? And how am I taking anything off topic? By highlighting the vile undertones of your woman hating victim blaming posts? | |||
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" If that's the case and your logic towards it. Then please just walk through a dark alley in your underwear. You're an adult and Free to dress how you please. So basically if you perceive a woman to be asking for it, it's her fault if she's raped? Or am I twisting your post again? Ok I was talking about unwanted attention. You've now taken it to rape and still trying your best to go off topic. So what was your comment alluding to? And how am I taking anything off topic? By highlighting the vile undertones of your woman hating victim blaming posts?" I hate women?! That's what you got out of this? I gave my example on how sexism affect men more than women. Lmao now you've flipped it and claiming things I never said. | |||
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"Mysogyny to "distinctly rapey" In about 5 posts. "and that is exactly why i cant take anything said seriously, always the same few post on these kind of threads, and it is only a few which draws me to the conclusion noone else really cares for the trivialities that much. That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. | |||
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" You forgot to mention your winning personality "I actually got a blowjob from a very heated debate I got into in person on this
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime." You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. " Hardcore elements? | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. " Tactic? I don't wander round with a preformed agenda, but I stand by my comments - one poster here certainly gives off the 'hardcore mysogynist' vibe. It isn't you, by the way. | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. Hardcore elements?" I thought that. Persecution complex? | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. Hardcore elements?" Of feminism - you know the ones who really really looooove men and life...the ones most sane feminists distance themselves from. It's my believe, intuition or whatever that the topic of rape has been used as a tool to inject hate, passion and emotion into a movement facing redundancy in the western world. Women have never had it better really and the past is the past. There's isn't a whole pile of fighting left to be done (in the western world) in the realm of equality really.....is there???? ..... beyond trying to censor the world of all potential offense - as unachievable as world peace in our time. These same elements are careerist (and want to keep their income streams) or just want to knock men down a peg. | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. Hardcore elements? Of feminism - you know the ones who really really looooove men and life...the ones most sane feminists distance themselves from. It's my believe, intuition or whatever that the topic of rape has been used as a tool to inject hate, passion and emotion into a movement facing redundancy in the western world. Women have never had it better really and the past is the past. There's isn't a whole pile of fighting left to be done (in the western world) in the realm of equality really.....is there???? ..... beyond trying to censor the world of all potential offense - as unachievable as world peace in our time. These same elements are careerist (and want to keep their income streams) or just want to knock men down a peg. " "You've never had it so good" Is that really what your argument boils down to? | |||
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" That word rapey is an horrendous word and completly undermines what rape is, a vile horrific crime. You are on the pulse. It's a very clever tactic by the more hardcore elements I think. Rape is such a horrible and emotive subject that works perfectly to incite rage. Hardcore elements? Of feminism - you know the ones who really really looooove men and life...the ones most sane feminists distance themselves from. It's my believe, intuition or whatever that the topic of rape has been used as a tool to inject hate, passion and emotion into a movement facing redundancy in the western world. Women have never had it better really and the past is the past. There's isn't a whole pile of fighting left to be done (in the western world) in the realm of equality really.....is there???? ..... beyond trying to censor the world of all potential offense - as unachievable as world peace in our time. These same elements are careerist (and want to keep their income streams) or just want to knock men down a peg. "You've never had it so good" Is that really what your argument boils down to? "Apparently so | |||
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"Am I wrong? What are the massive problems the lovely ladies have that us men don't? At least argue with me "I think the use of the word argue rather than discuss or debate sums up why ot would be pointless to do so | |||
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"I assume you're referring to the Everyday Sexism site. I can see the direction this is going so I will say no more than, yes there is casual sexism experienced every day by women and anyone who tries to speak out about gets shouted down as oversensitive, a misandrist man-hating feminist (usually using more derogatory terms). I'm angry enough so I'll do my best to avoid reading the responses to this. " And how do you think a man gets treated if he ever speaks out about sexism against men? | |||
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"Am I wrong? What are the massive problems the lovely ladies have that us men don't? At least argue with me
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"I assume you're referring to the Everyday Sexism site. I can see the direction this is going so I will say no more than, yes there is casual sexism experienced every day by women and anyone who tries to speak out about gets shouted down as oversensitive, a misandrist man-hating feminist (usually using more derogatory terms). I'm angry enough so I'll do my best to avoid reading the responses to this. And how do you think a man gets treated if he ever speaks out about sexism against men?" See Licketys' most recent post.... | |||
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"I assume you're referring to the Everyday Sexism site. I can see the direction this is going so I will say no more than, yes there is casual sexism experienced every day by women and anyone who tries to speak out about gets shouted down as oversensitive, a misandrist man-hating feminist (usually using more derogatory terms). I'm angry enough so I'll do my best to avoid reading the responses to this. And how do you think a man gets treated if he ever speaks out about sexism against men? See Licketys' most recent post...." Some cap about "mens day"? We have a silly day for everything now, having a day doesn't change the general attitude of the population. Or the assumption that as a man you should enjoy any sexual assult from a women. Or that if your ever involved in a domestic violence incident that you as the man were the agressor etc. Or the fact that there being a possible pay gap between genders is a massive issue but men making up over 90% of workplace deaths isn't? | |||
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"I assume you're referring to the Everyday Sexism site. I can see the direction this is going so I will say no more than, yes there is casual sexism experienced every day by women and anyone who tries to speak out about gets shouted down as oversensitive, a misandrist man-hating feminist (usually using more derogatory terms). I'm angry enough so I'll do my best to avoid reading the responses to this. And how do you think a man gets treated if he ever speaks out about sexism against men? See Licketys' most recent post.... Some cap about "mens day"? We have a silly day for everything now, having a day doesn't change the general attitude of the population. Or the assumption that as a man you should enjoy any sexual assult from a women. Or that if your ever involved in a domestic violence incident that you as the man were the agressor etc. Or the fact that there being a possible pay gap between genders is a massive issue but men making up over 90% of workplace deaths isn't?" Your first line is exactly why there is no point in me even trying to answer the question you pose. When an International Women's Day thread goes up the first handful of posts are always "poor men get it so hard, why are you going on about women?" For the women and men who counter misogyny and sexism against women with the question, what about men? there is little point in trying to have a sensible and reasoned debate because the view point appears to be fixed. | |||
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"You might change my mind? I was pro feminist until 6 months ago. I"m still pro equality. " my opinion was changed due to the threads on this forum | |||
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"Am I wrong? What are the massive problems the lovely ladies have that us men don't? At least argue with me
I think the use of the word argue rather than discuss or debate sums up why ot would be pointless to do so
Argue/debate = tomato/tomatoe
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"From the man who refused to give examples of the discrimination he claimed to have been victim of "It's always the way with these Mens' Rights 'Activists'. They know that there is sexism out there, it happens all the time! Just not to them. | |||
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"Don't get me started, I can't take it seriously, it makes me laugh at what some actually get offended by, how some will read things how they want. I'm 50 years old, I've had some shit from guys, some really unpleasant but plenty of guys have a hard time. Some of the language banded around for petty things undermines the bigger issues. I'm a normal woman and I'm quite capable of telling someone to fuck off if I think their behaviour is inappropriate or have it felt with" Couldn't agree more, I'd also add racism to that too. | |||
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"Agreed diamond....but this sort of madness in the media/web is a little disturbing. Trying to get women riled up about perceived injustice. well it has the opposite effect on me. I don't go round scrutinising every word a man says to me or every look just so I could find something sexist in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the bigger issues, women in other countries having the same rights, women being treated as equals everywhere, but people read/see/percieve things that arnt even there. Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours " | |||
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"I think it is creating a culture of over sensitivity. I grew up with the sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me school of life Out of interest were you receiving the insults that you think make people over sensitive? There are degrees to everything. Real abuse or perceived slights. The lines are becoming blurred I think. Child of the 80's btw and the exact age group this type of thing is aimed at. I'm able to laugh off mild sexism against me. You didn't answer the question. Well not directly anyway Do you honestly believe you are a victim of sexism - care to share some examples? I don't care to. It works both ways as most reasonable people will agree, equality for all being the goal. But that won't sell books for the everyday sexism project or stir up the same emotions. Don't care to or can't? And of course equality ois a goal but let;s face it as white hetrosexual males we are by far the most advantaged in society. And calling for equality while referring to the highlighting of inequality as 'madness' is far more ironic than anything you have highlighted in your opening post" I kinda love you right now. More men like you please! | |||
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"Every time I see the word feminism I think here we go again, I don't think some women do any of us favours I totally disagree with you on this. I'm not gay but homophobia pisses me off. I'm Caucasian but racism pisses me off. If I didn't encounter sexism myself regularly it would still piss me off on behalf of people experiencing it. Feminism to me is about equality, which is probably why most of my male friends also consider themselves feminists." This!
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"I'm not a male rights activist. I like to poke fun at what has become a silly 'culture war' from the sidelines. Poor cop out monkey boy, loads of examples of sexism against men but it's tiresome to list them and i think most are trivial too...not something to get upset about. But hey you won a female admirers. I guess you can be crowned a 'white knight' "A slight shift from your earlier claim to have been discriminated against for being a man. And still unable to quantify it with any examples. As for white knighting. Hilarious. No really it is. I think I am the last person most regular forumites would ever accuse of that. Oh and a woman agreeing me is hardly an example of white knighting and more an example of how you want to muddy the waters and take this off topic | |||
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"I assume you're referring to the Everyday Sexism site. I can see the direction this is going so I will say no more than, yes there is casual sexism experienced every day by women and anyone who tries to speak out about gets shouted down as oversensitive, a misandrist man-hating feminist (usually using more derogatory terms). I'm angry enough so I'll do my best to avoid reading the responses to this. And how do you think a man gets treated if he ever speaks out about sexism against men? See Licketys' most recent post.... Some cap about "mens day"? We have a silly day for everything now, having a day doesn't change the general attitude of the population. Or the assumption that as a man you should enjoy any sexual assult from a women. Or that if your ever involved in a domestic violence incident that you as the man were the agressor etc. Or the fact that there being a possible pay gap between genders is a massive issue but men making up over 90% of workplace deaths isn't?" All men should be paid more because more die in workplace accidents? I don't understand this point. | |||
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"Dangerous jobs do command a higher salary in general. Offshore oil rigs for example. " Yes, however women doing the same role should receive the exact same compensation as men. Female CEOs typically receive less than males. | |||
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"Don't get me started, I can't take it seriously, it makes me laugh at what some actually get offended by, how some will read things how they want. I'm 50 years old, I've had some shit from guys, some really unpleasant but plenty of guys have a hard time. Some of the language banded around for petty things undermines the bigger issues. I'm a normal woman and I'm quite capable of telling someone to fuck off if I think their behaviour is inappropriate or have it felt with" You also belt them round the head with a Furry Meerkat | |||
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" For those of you who seem to think that feminism is about women hating men and taking the huff at every little comment, go give your heads a wobble. And then Google the word. " It's going that way. Just look at that jazz hands madness. Some feminists found applause to be offensive. | |||
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"They probably do get the same compensation if they work on an oil rig. Please bring facts into this and not assumptions. I know in Ireland there is a study showing women earn 17% but I don't have the details. I think it was comparing university educated men and women at age 30 but I forget. " Tbh you're picking up someone else's argument and taking it the wrong way. It was insinuated that men deserve greater pay than women due to them dying more often in the workplace. This is silly as it doesn't excuse a male CEO receiving on average 11% more than a female CEO (there's a fact for you) when they both have the same risks. | |||
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" Yes, however women doing the same role should receive the exact same compensation as men. Female CEOs typically receive less than males. " I agree on this. Pay by the level of the job or by merit. Negotiation is always a variable. Often people get paid totally differently for the same job depending on how savvy or lucky they were negotiating their contract. | |||
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" Yes, however women doing the same role should receive the exact same compensation as men. Female CEOs typically receive less than males. I agree on this. Pay by the level of the job or by merit. Negotiation is always a variable. Often people get paid totally differently for the same job depending on how savvy or lucky they were negotiating their contract." So the opinion that men die more often and therefore all men deserve greater pay is silly. Not sure why you contested me  | |||
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" For those of you who seem to think that feminism is about women hating men and taking the huff at every little comment, go give your heads a wobble. And then Google the word. It's going that way. Just look at that jazz hands madness. Some feminists found applause to be offensive. " No it's not going that way at all. The group that you think of when you hear the word feminism are what I refer to as 'militant feminists' and don't actually want equality, they want to be superior. Think of the sketch that the Two Ronnies did, 'The Worm that Turned'. That's not what feminism is truly about. It's about being equal, being paid the same as a man for doing the same job, being able to walk down a street without being followed/cat called and in fear for our lives, wearing what we want without being seen as a sexual object. That's what it's about. If you don't understand that then I can't help you, it really can't be much clearer than that. | |||
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"I think danger was brought into to show a factor why men might be paid more in some circumstances. Not because they are men - I disagree with that - but because traditionally and currently (but I'm open to correction on that) more men do work in those danger money style jobs. I think it got a bit confused. " I doubt that was the intention, he referred to it as a "possible pay gap" when there is clearly one in existence. He's obviously got a chip on his shoulder about something to do with equal rights for females. | |||
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" If you are still in doubt, imagine someone following your sister home to her front door after a night out. Imagine your wife being passed over for a promotion that is very much deserved because she has a vagina. Imagine someone making lewd comments to your daughter because she is wearing a short skirt in a pub. Then tell me it's still ok. " Laura bates is also a journalist who stirs up anger in her readership with this kind of thing. It's her career you must remember. Imagine, imagine, imagine....that's just it. Sure this stuff happens but I don't believe it's half as frequent as you've been led to imagine. Imagine being the operative word. Now imagine this and I'll finally give my example of sexism against me. Walking down a reasonably busy street but quiet at the time (not a dingy lane) in a city centre adjacent to the main street in broad daylight. It's raining, I have my hood up, I'm not dressed like a chav or looking like someone of ill repute. There are two young ladies walking ahead of me. They looked around, noticed my presence, I was a fair distance back and minding my own business, one grabbed the other by the arm and they crossed the road as they IMAGINED that I was a threat. Imagine how f*cking insulted I was. I wouldn't hurt a flea. | |||
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" If you are still in doubt, imagine someone following your sister home to her front door after a night out. Imagine your wife being passed over for a promotion that is very much deserved because she has a vagina. Imagine someone making lewd comments to your daughter because she is wearing a short skirt in a pub. Then tell me it's still ok. Laura bates is also a journalist who stirs up anger in her readership with this kind of thing. It's her career you must remember. Imagine, imagine, imagine....that's just it. Sure this stuff happens but I don't believe it's half as frequent as you've been led to imagine. Imagine being the operative word" I'm fully aware she's a journalist, I've met her. And you saying you don't believe it's as frequent as women telling you it is is exactly the point I was making. Whether you believe it or not, it is. They are telling you so, en masse. You are choosing not to listen. | |||
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"Now imagine this and I'll finally give my example of sexism against me. Walking down a reasonably busy street but quiet at the time (not a dingy lane) in a city centre adjacent to the main street in broad daylight. It's raining, I have my hood up, I'm not dressed like a chav or looking like someone of ill repute. There are two young ladies walking ahead of me. They looked around, noticed my presence, I was a fair distance back and minding my own business, one grabbed the other by the arm and they crossed the road as they IMAGINED that I was a threat. Imagine how f*cking insulted I was. I wouldn't hurt a flea. " How do you know they crossed because of you? What indication did they give that you were the reason? Or are you just assuming? | |||
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"I read this in the comments of her latest on being a feminazi article (her wordage not mine).... "Destroy his career? His career was (or should have been) over anyway due to his age. People past the age of retirement remaining very active in science leadership roles is utterly detrimental to the careers of younger people and for the advancement of new knowledge." So here we have a young feminist programmed by what she reads in the guardian being deliberately ageist.....again the irony is just painful. She was referring to tim hunt who lost his career (and his wife's in the process) over a mildly sexist joke in good faith. A nobel prize winner should retire to bring in some young blood despite having accumulated a life time of scientific achievement and knowledge? THIS is why i think modern feminism is becoming a harmful influence. " I'm not even going to comment on this as it's totally out of context without seeing the original article. And as I've said before, the feminazi is a minor group. Just like not all men are sexist pigs. Again, whether you like it or not, we are at the point where women are having to scrutinise what they are wearing before leaving the house to decide if their outfit will ensure they don't receive unwanted attention. How many men have to do that? That's just one example of what women today now have to think about. But that's ok, is it? We're not allowed to walk from one place to another without being wolf whistled at, or asked if we want a shag? We can't commute to work without someone thinking they have the right to grab our arse? No, it's not alright. If we're going for personal examples, I'll give you one of mine. On the way back from a convention, my friends and I were stopped in the middle of Buchanan Street in Glasgow and asked for directions. We couldn't help the two guys as we're not from there and not familiar with the pub they were looking for. The three of us were in costume, I was dressed as Thor and my costume has a corset. As the two guys walked away, one said "some pair of tits you've got on you!". At what point was that remotely appropriate? So who's fault was that? Mine, for having the cheek to wear a corset? Or his, for being rude and ignorant? I'm pretty sure at no point I shoved my boobs in his face and gave them a jiggle, so I don't think it was mine. I'm sure you'll have some interesting comeback about how men are really the victims, and why I'm wrong. Because, y'know, mansplaining. I'm really not interested in hearing it anymore. I just feel sorry for you that you see the world the way you do. | |||
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" When one person is being disadvantaged by another, I think people should do something and stand up and say, thats not right. It doesnt matter if its because of gender, or race, or religion, or sexual preference." There comes a tipping point when the average man is seen as 'creepy' or a predator based on the bad behaviour of a minority. Most men don't cat call or grope. There will always be crass lowlife s but the behaviour of a minority is being used in this way to paint a picture that it is endemic. I don't see that in my 30 years of real life. | |||
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" When one person is being disadvantaged by another, I think people should do something and stand up and say, thats not right. It doesnt matter if its because of gender, or race, or religion, or sexual preference. There comes a tipping point when the average man is seen as 'creepy' or a predator based on the bad behaviour of a minority. Most men don't cat call or grope. There will always be crass lowlife s but the behaviour of a minority is being used in this way to paint a picture that it is endemic. I don't see that in my 30 years of real life. " If you dont grope or cat call, then posts telling men to stop doing it dont apply to you. | |||
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" When one person is being disadvantaged by another, I think people should do something and stand up and say, thats not right. It doesnt matter if its because of gender, or race, or religion, or sexual preference. There comes a tipping point when the average man is seen as 'creepy' or a predator based on the bad behaviour of a minority. Most men don't cat call or grope. There will always be crass lowlife s but the behaviour of a minority is being used in this way to paint a picture that it is endemic. I don't see that in my 30 years of real life. " Are you suggesting that people don't say anything when being harassed then, just because "most men" don't do it and don't want to be associated with that behaviour? | |||
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" When one person is being disadvantaged by another, I think people should do something and stand up and say, thats not right. It doesnt matter if its because of gender, or race, or religion, or sexual preference. There comes a tipping point when the average man is seen as 'creepy' or a predator based on the bad behaviour of a minority. Most men don't cat call or grope. There will always be crass lowlife s but the behaviour of a minority is being used in this way to paint a picture that it is endemic. I don't see that in my 30 years of real life. " I wasn't going to come back on this thread, but I must be a glutton for punishment. If you turn your 'minority' argument around then a minority of men are doing a lot of groping and catcalling because there isn't a single one of my group of female friends who hasn't been groped or felt up in a bar, on the Tube or elsewhere. One or two of them have unfortunately been assaulted more seriously. Granted, I have fewer male than female friends, but this isn't their experience of life. Yes, I'm extrapolating from my own experience, but my experience is not unusual. According to the poster further up the thread, we brought it on ourselves if we were in nightclubs dressed "provocatively". But the indications are that this IS a very common experience and that's the point of things like Everyday Sexism. I don't extrapolate from that to assume all men grope women but by sheer force of numbers a hell of a lot of them do. None of these instances has been invented by women swept along in a tirade of malicious feminism. The stuff you're banging on about like Twitter didn't even exist as a concept when most of them happened. Women groping men also happens. And is equally unacceptable. And the moment a man does the equivalent of what Laura Bates did with Everyday Sexism, I will totally support that cause, because he'll probably need as much support from some of the hideous attitudes displayed by other men on this thread as women do from the hideous attitudes displayed by other women. Just MY opinion, as a result of MY 30 years of life. | |||
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"I don't know what can be done about it to honest. I don't think assasination of men in the media is the answer. I've been catcalled and groped by women, not that much but it has happened. If I'm honest although unwanted there was a degree of flattery too. It's nice to be wanted even if it's a little discomforting. I got over it. " So you "got over" it, even though you kind of liked it? Sounds traumatic for you. What if you DIDN'T want it? What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? Would you feel the same way about that? Groping is NOT flattery. It's not a fucking compliment. | |||
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"I don't think it's ironic or an example of sexism. It aims to do a specific thing: catalogue women's experience of sexism. It doesn't claim that sexism against men doesn't exist. It's one part of a bigger movement, it doesn't claim to be the sum total of it. There may be sites which offer a safe space for men who've been the subject of homophobic attacks to share their experience. This doesn't mean the people behind it are saying that homophobia isn't something that can affect women or transgender people too. " yes but sexism does tend to be raised by women a lot as with racism its all part and parcel of life bullies exist because people exist that allow themselves to be bullied  | |||
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" yes but sexism does tend to be raised by women a lot as with racism its all part and parcel of life bullies exist because people exist that allow themselves to be bullied "Do you really believe that or are you just being deliberately cuntish? Sexism being raised more by women is possibly, just maybe, a result of women experiencing it more. Racism is raised more by people from minority ethnic groups because they experience it more. What next? Surprise at homophobia being raised more by gay people? It may well be part of life. But it shouldn't be. And that's why I'll keep banging on about it even if it offends the sensibilities of some men and women who think it's not a problem and I'm just whinging about nothing. | |||
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" I don't extrapolate from that to assume all men grope women but by sheer force of numbers a hell of a lot of them do. This is exactly my point, using numbers forcefully. I'm a scientist and I suggest some of thr posters here look into some of the books written on how to skew data and force opinion by presenting it in a manner favourable to one's agenda. Without the male side of the story, the numbers are effectively useless to 'prove' that a behaviour is deeply ingrained in society. We all know the power of propoganda" If it wasn't deeply ingrained in society, wouldn't it be easy to remove? | |||
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" I don't extrapolate from that to assume all men grope women but by sheer force of numbers a hell of a lot of them do. This is exactly my point, using numbers forcefully. I'm a scientist and I suggest some of thr posters here look into some of the books written on how to skew data and force opinion by presenting it in a manner favourable to one's agenda. Without the male side of the story, the numbers are effectively useless to 'prove' that a behaviour is deeply ingrained in society. We all know the power of propoganda" Is this the first evocation of Godwin's Law on this thread?
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. " And me being groped or whatever isn't the worst thing that's ever happened to me. I didn't go to the police either. Or let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level. On most occasions I've turned around and told them to fuck right off. But wouldn't it be better if people didn't feel it was ok to do that in the first place?? THAT is the point which you're either unwilling or unable to grasp. | |||
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. " What if it had been a man groping you? | |||
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" But wouldn't it be better if people didn't feel it was ok to do that in the first place?? THAT is the point which you're either unwilling or unable to grasp. " It would be great to live in a utopian world where everyone had perfect emotional and social intelligence sure. Some people will be deficient in these aspects no matter what silly biased propaganda project is used to fight the good fight. | |||
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. " It may not have affected you but it would others. The main issue is people need to know and except that its totally unacceptable to grope others in a bar / tube / workplace. For example the discussion about women only carriages on trains to prevent this kind of behaviour is not the answer, making society aware that it's wrong & behaviour needs to change is. | |||
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" But wouldn't it be better if people didn't feel it was ok to do that in the first place?? THAT is the point which you're either unwilling or unable to grasp. It would be great to live in a utopian world where everyone had perfect emotional and social intelligence sure. Some people will be deficient in these aspects no matter what silly biased propaganda project is used to fight the good fight." Sorry my other point - which I missed because I was too busy laughing after you likened me to Goebbels - was that you've repeatedly extrapolated from your own experience (of your 30 years of life) to decree that because you've never seen a problem and your female friends haven't experienced sexism that there is no problem in this country. Why is that valid but me extrapolating from my experience not? And I'd like to know where all the male voices are on this too. Social media isn't the preserve of women. Print media isn't the preserve of women. If male voices aren't being heard then there are a few possible reasons: a) they're not experiencing as much sexism so don't feel they have experiences to share. b) they are being shouted down by militant female feminists, which isn't acceptable. c) they don't feel they can for fear of ridicule by other men. d) they think we should all just shut up and get over it - in which case they're part of the problem. | |||
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" But wouldn't it be better if people didn't feel it was ok to do that in the first place?? THAT is the point which you're either unwilling or unable to grasp. It would be great to live in a utopian world where everyone had perfect emotional and social intelligence sure. Some people will be deficient in these aspects no matter what silly biased propaganda project is used to fight the good fight." I'll still choose to fight the good fight and choosing not to view a way people can share their personal experiences of what it's like to live within a non-utopian world as silly, biased or propagandist is a good start. Some of the experiences shared on the everyday sexism site are those I luckily haven't but an awful lot of them have parallels with some of my own experiences. | |||
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" Is this the first evocation of Godwin's Law on this thread?
Well done.
I had to google that. The nazis aren't the only people to use propaganda. Come on..
I'm new to this but I suspect that 's a response straight from the standard Internet feminist toolbox.
But let's not fight dirty. Was my point invalid? "I'm not fighting dirty. I'm surprised you had to google that. Is this your first visit to the Internet? Yes your point is invalid and I've dealt with that in my post above. | |||
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. " Because you were able to get over it everyone else should be able to as well, regardless of if the incidents were more prevalent, serious or their own resilience levels? | |||
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. Because you were able to get over it everyone else should be able to as well, regardless of if the incidents were more prevalent, serious or their own resilience levels? " Pretty much. More serious issues are called crime with a clear channel for how to deal with them. I don't have much time for people lacking a modicum of resilience or who have a victimhood complex. | |||
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"I made a point much earlier. Us men don't have a media voice in our ear trying to get us riled up on the subject. I could be wrong.. All this stuff is probably a much bigger issue for women. But as it's presented, we can't know. My main issue is the style in which it is talked about and the effect it has on impressionable minds. I only see anger, imbalance and agenda. " Of course there is anger, people feel angry about it. Of course there is agenda, that's the point of any kind of movement - to effect some form of change. On the question of imbalance, I would also like to hear more male voices on this. I don't understand what you don't get about the prevalence of discussions on the topic being an effect of what's happening in the world not a cause. Unless you think all the women who have shared their experiences are lying, then I think it's a good thing that women feel they can share them. I'd like men to have a similar way to share theirs. But the experience of this thread suggests if I tried to set something like that up, men would just be told that they should get over it and that it was flattery. | |||
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" What if as a straight man you'd been groped by another man? That has also happened and again I got over it. What am I supposed to do? Go to the cops? Let it ruin me on some emotional or personal level? I didn't like it but it's far from the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I had totally forgotten up until now. Because you were able to get over it everyone else should be able to as well, regardless of if the incidents were more prevalent, serious or their own resilience levels? Pretty much. More serious issues are called crime with a clear channel for how to deal with them. I don't have much time for people lacking a modicum of resilience or who have a victimhood complex. " I think I might shut up now, because you're doing an excellent job of demolishing your own argument all by yourself. Enjoy. | |||
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"I don't know what can be done about it to honest. I don't think assasination of men in the media is the answer. I've been catcalled and groped by women, not that much but it has happened. If I'm honest although unwanted there was a degree of flattery too. It's nice to be wanted even if it's a little discomforting. I got over it. " Yeh I don't think you understand what you're talking about. There's no flattery in being harassed - you wouldn't tell someone who has been attacked that they should consider themselves lucky their attacker was attracted to them. | |||
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"I don't know what can be done about it to honest. I don't think assasination of men in the media is the answer. I've been catcalled and groped by women, not that much but it has happened. If I'm honest although unwanted there was a degree of flattery too. It's nice to be wanted even if it's a little discomforting. I got over it. " Yeh I don't think you understand what you're talking about. There's no flattery in being harassed - you wouldn't tell someone who has been attacked that they should consider themselves lucky their attacker was attracted to them. | |||
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" biased or propagandist is a good start." I rest my case | |||
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" biased or propagandist is a good start. I rest my case " If this thread was your case, I'm thrilled for you that you're a scientist and not a lawyer. | |||
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"Actually men experience far more than women. Expect if we complain, we still get attacked Where is your evidence for this? My experiences of sexism have ranged from being groped on public transport (which is legally sexual assault, yet happens frequently to women) to being stalked with a transit van. I have been made to feel anything from mild annoyance to anger and real fear, simply because I was a female on my own. Now I'm not saying that men can't experience sexism, but I highly doubt that it happens with the same frequency. From little kids "boys don't cry" when you do? You're weak. When a woman cries, she's expressing her emotion and its alright to cry. We have to pay for dinner. Why? Are you broke? Why am I exchanging treats for sex? Are you a prostitute? Clubbing. "Free entry for ladies until 12" so because I don't own vagina, I have to pay? I'm suppose to be 6ft plus, abs, tattoo, gentlemen but also a bad boy. But god forbid if I tell a woman not to wear revealing clothes publicly or tell her to lose weight. "How old are you?" Oh my god, you can't ask a lady that!!! Lmao but you can ask mine right? Titanic. "Ladies and kids first". Oh right, so my life is not that important then? Funny how no feminist complained about it. Wedding. Why the hell do I have to buy such an expensive ring and dress for you? What do I get in return? "You get me babes" lmao! Great prize (!) Work. "Women are under paid and blah blah blah" women have far better jobs than men, better pay and more security. Disagree? Let's do car check. There are more female drivers ages 18-24 than there are men. In fact... Homeless. If I'm a woman and I need a house. All I need is some sperm without a face and boom, I've got a flat. Men? Nah you're hard, sleep at the homeless shelter or in the street. Should I keep going? Lol Do you understand that your first point is an example of sexism in itself because it's saying that crying is associated with little girls and is a sign of weakness? Like when blokes are told to "man up": ie they're behaving "like a woman" and we can't have that? Also bloody hell you sound bitter. Sounds like women are indeed an easy target for you to blame all of your woes on. " This is so hypocritical, in your previous post you said all the trivial annoyances of everyday sexism add up and allow double standards. Yet in response to some (albeit shaky) examples of sexism against men your reaction is to call him bitter, and suggest he's using that as an excuse for his woes, (Ironically, essentially telling him to 'man up'). Imagine if that was a man's response to the everyday sexism concept. The feminists (and likely you yourself would be livid. I'm all for equality. But it works both ways. Sometimes I think both men and women need to drop the labels and isms because they blind people to situations and cloud judgement. We live in an age where the pendulum of equality has swung in women's favour, yet some cling to the feminist ideology, and have failed to notice. Or have grown up as the pendulum has swung and have not experience the changes which have already happened. I use the pendulum analogy because it's not for men to concede all the ground, it's for men and women to change and gradually the pendulum will slow and stop at equality. I'm suggesting other parts if the world don't have more serious issues, I'm just referring to Western developed society. And I think the fact I have to make that distinction to avoid the suggestion I'm saying the job is done enhances my point. | |||
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