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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
Glory, glory....
Just paid $1.98 a gallon. Less than $25 to fill up a Mustang (albeit it was not completely empty).
Can't wait to come back to the UK and pay about four times that amount. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wish the price of fuel was back at £1.50+ in the UK.
It's far too cheap at the moment.
Higher fuel prices mean higher crude prices which is good for the country as a whole.
Nearly 65000 people have either lost their jobs or will be soon as a result of the very cheap fuel we're buying right now .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Glory, glory....
Just paid $1.98 a gallon. Less than $25 to fill up a Mustang (albeit it was not completely empty).
Can't wait to come back to the UK and pay about four times that amount."
A US Gallon is smaller than a UK one - roughly 3.5 litres.
Also American fuel is less refined than ours, which goes a little way to explaining why it's cheaper.
The tax we pay on fuel is ridiculous though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But because of rising fuel prices there is more pressure on car manufacturers to innovative in the areas of efficiency and CO2 emissions. Some basic cars now do 70mpg. BMW efficient dynamics system links the car's satnav, auto gearbox and dashboard to do things like show you that you're approaching a roundabout that you can't see yet, letting you know that you can start to slow down.
I drove a Mercedes E class a fortnight ago from Newcastle half way up to Scotland, across to the west coast, down to the lakes and back to Newcastle on 35 quid worth of fuel (and I wasn't overtaken very often).
Cars now are amazing. We wouldn't have this without consumer pressure on fuel efficiency. |
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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago
Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else |
...and fuel economy on US cars is generally far worse than European ones, so that Mustang will need another $25 in a couple of hours.
The US is a fabulous place, but it was only when I sort of lived there for a bit earlier this year that I realised... I wouldn't want to live there.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"...and fuel economy on US cars is generally far worse than European ones, so that Mustang will need another $25 in a couple of hours.
The US is a fabulous place, but it was only when I sort of lived there for a bit earlier this year that I realised... I wouldn't want to live there.
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That's because American gallons are smaller than European gallons and their premium fuel has a lower octane rating than our standard unleaded. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Wish the price of fuel was back at £1.50+ in the UK.
It's far too cheap at the moment.
Higher fuel prices mean higher crude prices which is good for the country as a whole.
Nearly 65000 people have either lost their jobs or will be soon as a result of the very cheap fuel we're buying right now .
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We're about £100 per month better off. That doesn't mean we've got extra in our bank, it means we're spending that in the economy. So, an extra night out a month, 20% of that is VAT, helping to keep people in jobs, corporation tax on profits, and going to keep businesses open. Plus, if course, lower fuel prices will lead to lower utility bills.
It's not all bad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Isn't the octane level in US fuel lower? "
yup the ron rating in America is a lot lower regular is about 85 to drive import cars they have to use super or high performance fuels at the pumps but it is still cheaper.
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Glory, glory....
Just paid $1.98 a gallon. Less than $25 to fill up a Mustang (albeit it was not completely empty).
Can't wait to come back to the UK and pay about four times that amount.
A US Gallon is smaller than a UK one - roughly 3.5 litres.
Also American fuel is less refined than ours, which goes a little way to explaining why it's cheaper.
The tax we pay on fuel is ridiculous though."
87 Octane which is perfectly fine for a big lumbering V8. Either way the fuel is around the quarter of the price.
Interesting to note that the low fuel prices have been a direct stimulator of the much improved economy over here.
Perhaps the UK Govt should take note of how productivity increases when fuel prices are lowered. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Most American cars are crap to drive too"
The American cars that you allude to are no longer made in any great numbers and will be go the way of the dinosaurs.
Pick up trucks excepted, the trend here is very much also towards small and more efficient. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Most American cars are crap to drive too
The American cars that you allude to are no longer made in any great numbers and will be go the way of the dinosaurs.
Pick up trucks excepted, the trend here is very much also towards small and more efficient."
Don't they make dodge caravans anymore? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil 
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here"
You should try living a life and passing on real life experiences, Real life experience is much more valuable than theories plucked out of other people's books.
Comments that are tainted by prejudices tend to be worthless because they originate in an already closed mind.
1. Someone else's theory
2. That is not what is happening here
3. Conspiracy theory often trotted out by those with an agenda and a complete red herring in respect of Syria.
4. What infrastructure have you personally experienced that you can comment on? Or is it something else you read in a book?
5. False
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Cheaper petrol or not..... I wouldn't want to live in USA.....
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Neither would I, as it happens. I do have a couple of businesses here and so come here from four to six times a year and we have a flat that we keep air conditioned all year round and also a car to use when either of us is here. As a result I get to experience what I see as positive aspects of this society - lower energy costs being the most significant. I do also get to experience the very negative aspects of this society as well... Gun laws, health care and the political set up being foremost.
I suppose like everywhere there is good and bad but the OP really was just about the cost of filling the car up and noting that the price is under $2 a gallon in a number of fuel stations now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions  "
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here
You should try living a life and passing on real life experiences, Real life experience is much more valuable than theories plucked out of other people's books.
Comments that are tainted by prejudices tend to be worthless because they originate in an already closed mind.
1. Someone else's theory
2. That is not what is happening here
3. Conspiracy theory often trotted out by those with an agenda and a complete red herring in respect of Syria.
4. What infrastructure have you personally experienced that you can comment on? Or is it something else you read in a book?
5. False
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Mmmm
Well I'll tell you why it's better to look at data than relate information from your extremely limited personal view!
Firstly we'll take your claim of 2 dollar a gallon fuel in the US, well straight off that's not really accurate, if you care to read some data, you'll see that the average is $2:65 and in California where around 15% of the gdp and population live it's $3:50.
Now let's take productivity, low prices create lazy business, you get less productive because you don't need to, the price going down counters the need to increase production, it's like your big v8 doing 15mpg, if you kept gas cheap nobody needs to evolve efficency, so for every gallon of fuel your using your getting less miles than a highly efficent engine that's been driven by higher prices!... Yes consumption goes up because cheapness means more but not more productively?.
Let's take your personal experience of US infrastructure, have you drank water everywhere in the us have you inspected the dams, bridges, schools, sewers, did you take any trains, inspect every airport.... You can see that it's possible you haven't done alot of that list and on the small few you have, you may have just experienced the top 1%.
If you care to read any article from the society of American civil engineers, you'll see that for 40 years infrastructure has been massively under invested and is now in a very poor condition nothing much exceeds what they would describe as adequate most falls into the needs urgent attention category!.
Life experiences can be a great thing but you can't rely on them for objectivity! |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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Going off at a tangent (no change there then), one can have a lot of fun trying to get the mpg gauge (average) as high as you can.
I managed 70.3 on a trip to Essex a few months ago in a 1.5 Dci Clio. It was mostly motorway. You have to be really light on the pedals and try not to slow down unecessarily, which can be interesting on roundabouts. Anybody beat that in an ordinary car? no hybrids or leccy cars please. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I see your cheap pump prices and raise you regular power blackouts on the west coast"
glad someone mentions that.....because my recollection of new york city summers were 95 degrees with 90% humidity.... and it night it not going below 75-80.. and there being constant rolling blackouts because everyone would be trying to use the aircon....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!"
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. |
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over a year ago
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"I see your cheap pump prices and raise you regular power blackouts on the west coast
glad someone mentions that.....because my recollection of new york city summers were 95 degrees with 90% humidity.... and it night it not going below 75-80.. and there being constant rolling blackouts because everyone would be trying to use the aircon.... "
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The great blackout of 03 , funnily enough new York gets alot of its electricity from Canada! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. "
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Have you ever seen the problems the smog causes in California!
Alot of the smog is caused by car emissions and its why California has stricter controls |
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"But because of rising fuel prices there is more pressure on car manufacturers to innovative in the areas of efficiency and CO2 emissions. Some basic cars now do 70mpg. BMW efficient dynamics system links the car's satnav, auto gearbox and dashboard to do things like show you that you're approaching a roundabout that you can't see yet, letting you know that you can start to slow down.
I drove a Mercedes E class a fortnight ago from Newcastle half way up to Scotland, across to the west coast, down to the lakes and back to Newcastle on 35 quid worth of fuel (and I wasn't overtaken very often).
Cars now are amazing. We wouldn't have this without consumer pressure on fuel efficiency. "
I have the one series efficientdynamics and driving to and from Leeds to Preston I will easily average over 60mpg, a couple of times 70mpg! Happy days! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here
You should try living a life and passing on real life experiences, Real life experience is much more valuable than theories plucked out of other people's books.
Comments that are tainted by prejudices tend to be worthless because they originate in an already closed mind.
1. Someone else's theory
2. That is not what is happening here
3. Conspiracy theory often trotted out by those with an agenda and a complete red herring in respect of Syria.
4. What infrastructure have you personally experienced that you can comment on? Or is it something else you read in a book?
5. False
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Just as a side note I'll give you another clue as to why it's bad to use personal experience!
Take your mustang, there's about 20 tonnes of c02 emissions in building it, then the 5 litre v8 will produce about 7000 tonnes of c02 a year in emissions on a standard 10k a year(100 trees capture about 1 tonne of c02), on top of that you'll be emitting around 40kg of hydrocarbons, 300kg of carbon monoxide and about 50kg of n0x per year, these can't be captured!
The world renowned university of mit released a study not long ago that estimated around 55 thousand people die in the US from air pollution per year, 5000 in the UK(these people don't get there faces on the tv like Syrians for you to wail about but they surely die just the same)....
Of course no personnel experience sees the fumes from your mustang and no personal experience sees the people die from your fumes and no personal experience sees the environmental damage your doing!.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. .
Have you ever seen the problems the smog causes in California!
Alot of the smog is caused by car emissions and its why California has stricter controls"
Then the giant cars they use with big 3.7 and 4.3 V6s are probably more of an issue than an oiled Cotton air filter. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here
You should try living a life and passing on real life experiences, Real life experience is much more valuable than theories plucked out of other people's books.
Comments that are tainted by prejudices tend to be worthless because they originate in an already closed mind.
1. Someone else's theory
2. That is not what is happening here
3. Conspiracy theory often trotted out by those with an agenda and a complete red herring in respect of Syria.
4. What infrastructure have you personally experienced that you can comment on? Or is it something else you read in a book?
5. False
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Just as a side note I'll give you another clue as to why it's bad to use personal experience!
Take your mustang, there's about 20 tonnes of c02 emissions in building it, then the 5 litre v8 will produce about 7000 tonnes of c02 a year in emissions on a standard 10k a year(100 trees capture about 1 tonne of c02), on top of that you'll be emitting around 40kg of hydrocarbons, 300kg of carbon monoxide and about 50kg of n0x per year, these can't be captured!
The world renowned university of mit released a study not long ago that estimated around 55 thousand people die in the US from air pollution per year, 5000 in the UK(these people don't get there faces on the tv like Syrians for you to wail about but they surely die just the same)....
Of course no personnel experience sees the fumes from your mustang and no personal experience sees the people die from your fumes and no personal experience sees the environmental damage your doing!.
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Yawn....
Like I give a flying fuck.
Please go and preach Eco babble on someone else's thread. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. "
California does have very stringent emission controls. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. .
Have you ever seen the problems the smog causes in California!
Alot of the smog is caused by car emissions and its why California has stricter controls
Then the giant cars they use with big 3.7 and 4.3 V6s are probably more of an issue than an oiled Cotton air filter. "
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Not so much in California, there really no different than European standards, in fact if you have a car that does 12 or 15 mpg you can pay 4 or 6 grand in tax on it!
They enforce minimum mpg of about 40 mpg (average fleet) on manufactures with large tax fines for failing.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"1 low oil prices don't make you more productive, they make you less, just like unions and higher wages, make you more productive and lower wages make you less productive.... Low prices just increase consumption!
2 low oil prices create deflation, which means there's less money in circulation not more
3 at least it's brought you out of your Syrian sympathy!!
Although you still don't really get why its $1:80 and why the middle East is in turmoil
4 the us has just the worse infrastructure in the developed world
5 water and electric costs more than here
You should try living a life and passing on real life experiences, Real life experience is much more valuable than theories plucked out of other people's books.
Comments that are tainted by prejudices tend to be worthless because they originate in an already closed mind.
1. Someone else's theory
2. That is not what is happening here
3. Conspiracy theory often trotted out by those with an agenda and a complete red herring in respect of Syria.
4. What infrastructure have you personally experienced that you can comment on? Or is it something else you read in a book?
5. False
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Just as a side note I'll give you another clue as to why it's bad to use personal experience!
Take your mustang, there's about 20 tonnes of c02 emissions in building it, then the 5 litre v8 will produce about 7000 tonnes of c02 a year in emissions on a standard 10k a year(100 trees capture about 1 tonne of c02), on top of that you'll be emitting around 40kg of hydrocarbons, 300kg of carbon monoxide and about 50kg of n0x per year, these can't be captured!
The world renowned university of mit released a study not long ago that estimated around 55 thousand people die in the US from air pollution per year, 5000 in the UK(these people don't get there faces on the tv like Syrians for you to wail about but they surely die just the same)....
Of course no personnel experience sees the fumes from your mustang and no personal experience sees the people die from your fumes and no personal experience sees the environmental damage your doing!.
Yawn....
Like I give a flying fuck.
Please go and preach Eco babble on someone else's thread."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. .
Have you ever seen the problems the smog causes in California!
Alot of the smog is caused by car emissions and its why California has stricter controls
Then the giant cars they use with big 3.7 and 4.3 V6s are probably more of an issue than an oiled Cotton air filter. .
Not so much in California, there really no different than European standards, in fact if you have a car that does 12 or 15 mpg you can pay 4 or 6 grand in tax on it!
They enforce minimum mpg of about 40 mpg (average fleet) on manufactures with large tax fines for failing.
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To be honest MPG figures are bollocks, my car is rated at 48mpg and the most I've ever had is 44, and that's behind a truck on the motorway in 6th gear with the Eco mode on plodding away at 60mph.
My dads got an electric car, 16 solar panels on his house so basically costs him nothing to travel. The 100 mile range at an absolute maximum really impacts their viability though. Insert the factor of when it's dark and raining in slow moving traffic then the range on them plummets.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"America loves it's big cars, pick ups and gas guzzlers....yet having an induction kit isn't steet legal due to emissions
Doesn't that depend on the state?
It's California that we have to thank for the introduction of EGR valves on modern cars. Wankers!!
Yeah it varies from state to state.
K&N have a warning on them. Not sure which states it is but California is definitely one of them. .
Have you ever seen the problems the smog causes in California!
Alot of the smog is caused by car emissions and its why California has stricter controls
Then the giant cars they use with big 3.7 and 4.3 V6s are probably more of an issue than an oiled Cotton air filter. .
Not so much in California, there really no different than European standards, in fact if you have a car that does 12 or 15 mpg you can pay 4 or 6 grand in tax on it!
They enforce minimum mpg of about 40 mpg (average fleet) on manufactures with large tax fines for failing.
To be honest MPG figures are bollocks, my car is rated at 48mpg and the most I've ever had is 44, and that's behind a truck on the motorway in 6th gear with the Eco mode on plodding away at 60mph.
My dads got an electric car, 16 solar panels on his house so basically costs him nothing to travel. The 100 mile range at an absolute maximum really impacts their viability though. Insert the factor of when it's dark and raining in slow moving traffic then the range on them plummets.
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No i agree
It's actually much more environmentally better to just keep the car you've got for 10 or 15 years than swap
Of course the car industry isn't very keen on that idea |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Awesome driving a Mustang in the USA... it is weird being at a pump station, filling uo on gas and paying less than a nandos for 2 lol... enjoy that highway and defo burn out St least once  xx |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Awesome driving a Mustang in the USA... it is weird being at a pump station, filling uo on gas and paying less than a nandos for 2 lol... enjoy that highway and defo burn out St least once xx "
Picking up a Chevy Suburban for the weekend as we have clients coming to town.
Had one for a couple of days in June and it was awesome. |
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"Awesome driving a Mustang in the USA... it is weird being at a pump station, filling uo on gas and paying less than a nandos for 2 lol... enjoy that highway and defo burn out St least once xx
Picking up a Chevy Suburban for the weekend as we have clients coming to town.
Had one for a couple of days in June and it was awesome."
Nice cruiser ... and surprisingly not that thirsty when you're urban... would love a drive of a Ram srt10 in its home territory, preferably on the way to Gas Monkey garage xx
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Going off at a tangent (no change there then), one can have a lot of fun trying to get the mpg gauge (average) as high as you can.
I managed 70.3 on a trip to Essex a few months ago in a 1.5 Dci Clio. It was mostly motorway. You have to be really light on the pedals and try not to slow down unecessarily, which can be interesting on roundabouts. Anybody beat that in an ordinary car? no hybrids or leccy cars please."
Went from Derby to Reading(ish) and back in a 118D and averaged 83.1 MPG. Like you, I was driving for economy. Averaged 68 MPH. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Not having ever done it, is it really that awsome driving in the US with the 55 limit? or does everyone drive like Bullit anyway?"
Not sure that the 55 limited exists anymore. In the two States that I spend most of my time the freeway limit is the same as the UK which means most people are driving at 80 on the clearer express lanes. |
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Yes we still have the 55 speed limit.
Gas is currently $2.31 in our home town.
We drive a minivan.
Have never been nor know anyone that's been a victim of gun violence.
U.S. has many lovely places and not so lovely places, as I'm certain your part of the world has.
Last serious post for me for a while, I'm only here for the naughty fun.  |
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