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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Love conspiracy theories, rarely believe them, but have a couple of colleagues who believe everything.

Brilliant for winding them up

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

I think all conspiracy theories are part of a conspiracy by conspiracy theorists to get us to believe that it's all a conspiracy.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

Oi Steve! I thought you were bowing out or was that a conspiracy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure there's *some* truth in some of the theories out there, the problem is being able to sieve the fact out from the fiction!

I'm sure not is all it as it seems, and some things are kept well away from the public domain. The thing is some conspiracy ideas are so crackpot that it can devalue and undermine the credibility of those that might actually have an element of truth in them!

I'll often read conspiracy theory forums or websites and roll my eyes at some of the more outlandish theories, but some do have a modicum of credibility about them so you just never know!!

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

Oi Steve! I thought you were bowing out or was that a conspiracy?"

I'm trying to be on here less but am on a coffee break.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

"
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What you mean like Hillsborough!

Or like mk ultra

The American government poisoning alcohol during prohibition to put the fear into folk!

Operation north woods, where they planned to fly planes into buildings and blame it on Cubans!

Deliberately Giving syphilus to black men for 30 years so they could see the results

Trading cocaine for weapons so they could back guerrilla warfare!

Oh wait you just mean the tin foil hat ones!... Like 911 and aliens

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By *olarfoxMan over a year ago

North Cambs

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Definitely..got loads of my own too!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The clue is in the word "theories"

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

For most conspiracy theories it's the sheer number of random people who would have to be in on it and the implausible nature of the theory itself that surprises me every time. I know a hugely intelligent man who gets taken in by all sorts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. "

Ah! YouTube! This is where many people gather their evidence and as we know the internet never lies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views.

Ah! YouTube! This is where many people gather their evidence and as we know the internet never lies."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. "
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Does he understand the concept of why you can see further when your up a hill

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Above top secret dot com is my other regular haunt beside here, some thoughts on there are way beyond far out (similar to here really) but alot of theories are very interesting to delve into.

Approach with an open mind, ignore what the mainstream media are telling you, look at the evidence and make up your own mind. That's how I go about life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you believe in them your a crackpot.

If you don't believe your not enlightened.

I'm somewhere in between. Most theories have a basis in fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Conspiracy theorists always seem so fucking angry and miserable. I don't take everything at face value but neither do I see a conspiracy in everything or start from the presumption that big business/the government/the CIA/whoever are out to get me. It seems a crap way to live your life and indicative of feeling frustrated or hard done by with your lot in life.

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

"For most conspiracy theories it's the sheer number of random people who would have to be in on it and the implausible nature of the theory itself that surprises me every time. I know a hugely intelligent man who gets taken in by all sorts."

Is he called Bertie?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. .

Does he understand the concept of why you can see further when your up a hill

Don't know and don't care to be honest. I'm not gonna ask because he just don't shut up once he gets started lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

Missing Contents of the World Trade Center Debris Pile:

14, 700 Toilets, Sinks, Urinals (1,2,& 7)

45,000 desks

45,000 chairs

245 Acres of Carpeting

40,000 File Cabinets

40,000 Cubicles

75,000 Telephones

50,000 Staplers

20,000 miles of wiring

300 Mainframe computers

45,000 Computer monitors

45,000 Keyboards

45,000 mice/computer aid

650 Fire Extinguishers

3000 Copy Machines

2000 Water Coolers

3000 Printers

20,000 doors

40,000 door knobs

22,000 Stainless Steel Elevator Doors

450 Refrigerators

5000 Snack and Soda vending machines

3000 Wallets & purses

3000 Employee ID cards (Required after 1993 bombing)

3000 Employee personal cell phones

Melted u may say well... if 20,000 miles of wiring was metled there would be alot more mess.

650 Fire Extinguishers

I done my reaserch on this you have not only what u saw on the BBC.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Floors that collapsed with no fire 245 Acres of Carpeting, go ahead make my day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One thing getting old teachers you is.... If you'd actually wrote an article 15 years ago declaring that banks are run by megalomaniacs with a penchant for drugs and rent boys, that there actively conspiring to rig international markets, hide illegal trade with drug barons, terrorist organisations, billionaires.

That there selling wholesale products that are unfit for purpose, wrapping up debt to hide its true origin and actively bribing politicans worldwide....

Well if you had you'd have been laughed out of the room, by people saying.... Oh there a little crazy

But who's laughing now

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

Is he called Bertie?"

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Of course I believe in conspiracy theories. Again and again they are proven to exist.

However, I do not believe that the majority of conspiracies are the deliberate machinations of shady characters manipulating the majority of us. Rather they are the product of knee-jerk lying by middle management wanting to cover up their criminal incompetence and an unwillingness of senior management to expose its own tendency to promote incompetent lower management in order to make its self look good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with..."

Me too, it must rub a bit more salt in the wound every time some tool starts up about it again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with..."

Luckily nobody pays them much attention. Saw someone in court for denying that Lee Rigby existed much less that he was killed in the street.

Some Weebo's about.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

[Removed by poster at 09/09/15 11:10:18]

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with...

Luckily nobody pays them much attention. Saw someone in court for denying that Lee Rigby existed much less that he was killed in the street.

Some Weebo's about. "

That's just sick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One thing getting old teachers you is.... If you'd actually wrote an article 15 years ago declaring that banks are run by megalomaniacs with a penchant for drugs and rent boys, that there actively conspiring to rig international markets, hide illegal trade with drug barons, terrorist organisations, billionaires.

That there selling wholesale products that are unfit for purpose, wrapping up debt to hide its true origin and actively bribing politicans worldwide....

Well if you had you'd have been laughed out of the room, by people saying.... Oh there a little crazy

But who's laughing now

My favourite conspiracy theory is that many conspiracy theories are created by major organisations / governments deliberately, some to hide other truths. e.g. the US Government created and encouraged the UFO theories in order to cover up test flights of experimental military aircraft. Others just to ensure that people view all conspiracy as a joke.

Remember just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with..."

Then how do you explain the collapse of the third tower?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Falling debri from the other towers, wasn't it?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"9/11 was a terrorist act I really feel sorry for the families of those who died that have to listen to the tripe that people come out with...

Then how do you explain the collapse of the third tower?"

Oh behave you...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

You are aware that we are ALL watching you, aren't you? And you really should put some clothes on, the curtains are open!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

terrorists Buish knew, he stonewalled any investigation for two years.

Aug 6th memo Bin Laden to steal planes and run them into WTC, they ignored it they wanted it to happen to eradicate DEBT.

Don't start on building 7 saying it's collapsed all the while it was STILL STANDING.

iT FELL HALF AN HOUR LATER.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"terrorists Buish knew, he stonewalled any investigation for two years.

Aug 6th memo Bin Laden to steal planes and run them into WTC, they ignored it they wanted it to happen to eradicate DEBT.

Don't start on building 7 saying it's collapsed all the while it was STILL STANDING.

iT FELL HALF AN HOUR LATER.....

Ok calm down. Its going to be alright.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

Oi Steve! I thought you were bowing out or was that a conspiracy?"

Did you not know that Steve is actually not a person but an entire department of MI18 who are there to make sure we are all looking at FAB rather than investigating what department MI17 is up to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

3) There is no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11 in fact the CIA created, trained and funded Al Qaeda/Taliban during the Mujahideen. Obama Bin Laden worked with the CIA under the name of Tim Osman

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

Oi Steve! I thought you were bowing out or was that a conspiracy?

Did you not know that Steve is actually not a person but an entire department of MI18 who are there to make sure we are all looking at FAB rather than investigating what department MI17 is up to

Damn! Is he? I must have been sitting next to a front man at the Sussex social

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"terrorists Buish knew, he stonewalled any investigation for two years.

Aug 6th memo Bin Laden to steal planes and run them into WTC, they ignored it they wanted it to happen to eradicate DEBT.

Don't start on building 7 saying it's collapsed all the while it was STILL STANDING.

iT FELL HALF AN HOUR LATER.....

Ok calm down. Its going to be alright. "

Haven't you heard? They're all out to get him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this"

Please don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

Why are you trying to find out?

Oi Steve! I thought you were bowing out or was that a conspiracy?

Did you not know that Steve is actually not a person but an entire department of MI18 who are there to make sure we are all looking at FAB rather than investigating what department MI17 is up to

Damn! Is he? I must have been sitting next to a front man at the Sussex social

Did you not think it suspicious that only a few hours before you sat next to one of the Steve clones that Steve posted on here! how could he be in two places almost at once if he was not an entire department

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't."

Can't deny the truth unfortunately

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I will still cont to believe it was a terrorist act and whatever others want to believe it's up to them...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely despise the term conspiracy theorist

Much more respect for someone who does not take an official word without questioning it than I do those that refuse to question

This term was designed by people who wanted to stop people looking at the truth by belittling those that do, and it worked so well

Do not brandish someone a lesser opinion unless you have a full understanding and ability to disprove that counter information

I refute anything anecdotal, such as 911 there is a lot of evidence which is questionable but a vast amount goes against the law of physics, such as wtc7 a peice of debris had enough speed to travel the distance AND carry a flame enough to set fire to it and bring it down, implausible and disproves by the laws of physics,

There are other facts that physically couldn't not happen that day.

But stating conspiracy theorist as a blanket "these people are wrong" statement is beyond silly

Open your eyes, yes the information is hard to hear and like the Fox and those apples it's easier to belittle and forget about it but doesn't mean there is no truth to it

Yes some people maybe outlandish and promoting duff info but not all and you can not just ignore all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am enjoying China's recent stance on ET's.... they're out there, watch out for them!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't.

Can't deny the truth unfortunately"

Happy to continue to deny your version of the truth, thanks. I trust my own brain more than yours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm no conspiracy theorist but.....

I do believe the theorists research, question and evaluate their theory's where as a lot of people who brand them whacky, loon or mad. Are just happy to be spoon fed from the numerous media outlets and believe what they are told.

We have only advanced through science by proposing theory's and then picking apart those theory's.

9/11 is always going to be one of the biggest conspiracy theory's. Do I think the American government, the CIA, James Bond or Mickey Mouse was responsible...No

Do I think it was a terrorist attack...yes.

But there's also a lot that doesn't add up and make sense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't.

Can't deny the truth unfortunately

Happy to continue to deny your version of the truth, thanks. I trust my own brain more than yours."

Then I really worry for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It seems often peace of mind is sought through the official story and a refusal to accept the counter information

I respect that, but until it can be proven how a plane can crash land and leave No debris, twice! (to name one item) Then I wish the truth and the peace seeker could be viewed equally and not one belittled to aid the other

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems often peace of mind is sought through the official story and a refusal to accept the counter information

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Belly Chuckle!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't.

Can't deny the truth unfortunately

Happy to continue to deny your version of the truth, thanks. I trust my own brain more than yours.

Then I really worry for you

Again...please don't. I'm a happy and contented person and no one is out to get me.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI? "

I'll tell my cousin who was in one of the Towers at the time he's CGI.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me i find most conspiracy theorists smoke too much

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By *ethepeopleMan over a year ago

Near you

You know the one plane ended up in the pentagon and there is only 1/2 a second of film of the plane ??? This is one of the most heavily guarded places in the world ! So you has McDonald's got more video and camera than the pentagon.

I know just the tin hat is starting to hurt now take cover-_-_-_-_

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Me i find most conspiracy theorists smoke too much

So you beleive the plane left no debris then, how?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I bet MI5 are reading this thread as we speak. Expect a knock at the door any minute!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI?

I'll tell my cousin who was in one of the Towers at the time he's CGI.

Your cousin never exsisted according to some

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By *arlock69Man over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

So if 911 is real then, aviation fuel can burn through steel girders but terrorists passports survive???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Me i find most conspiracy theorists smoke too much

So you beleive the plane left no debris then, how?"

I believe they did find debis from the plane...and its on show in the 9/11 museum in New York

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Does being a conspiracy theorist mean you're a delusional paranoid too ?

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By *arlock69Man over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

"You know the one plane ended up in the pentagon and there is only 1/2 a second of film of the plane ??? This is one of the most heavily guarded places in the world ! So you has McDonald's got more video and camera than the pentagon.

I know just the tin hat is starting to hurt now take cover-_-_-_-_

All the CCTV was switched off at the pentagon on 911...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this. But would recommend anyone to watch a documentary called Loose Change about conspiracy surrounding 911. Makes you think. A lot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Me i find most conspiracy theorists smoke too much

So you beleive the plane left no debris then, how?

I believe they did find debis from the plane...and its on show in the 9/11 museum in New York "

"You are free to do as we tell you"

Bill Hicks

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By *arlock69Man over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

The truth will set you free...but first it will seriously piss you off...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The truth will set you free...but first it will seriously piss you off..."

Sad how true that is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know just the tin hat is starting to hurt now take cover-_-_-_-_

There's no evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon, no wreckage nothing on cctv except a small hole in one of the walls - a missile in my opinion. Makes me laugh how so many people go along with what they are told by the mainstream media but when presented by real documented factual evidence proving the official version of such events is a lie and completely wrong they deny the truth but yet cannot debunk any of the evidence presented to them. Let them carry on in their happy make believe world. No this doesn't make me a tin foil hatted crank it means I'm clever enough to look at the actual facts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI?

I'll tell my cousin who was in one of the Towers at the time he's CGI.

Your cousin never exsisted according to some "

The two at ground level don't either.

I appreciate people examining the facts but my reality is that people were affected and I'm more interested in helping them in the here and now than spending the same amount of time debunking theories.

There are conspiracies big and small (LIBOR, covering up paedophilia, a surprise birthday party for someone's husband) and the people who want to ferret around in that have a hobby they enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if 911 is real then, aviation fuel can burn through steel girders but terrorists passports survive???"

Not only that but the firefighters testimony states they heard explosions inside the WTC'S and molten metal was smouldering for weeks after the event. Aviation fuel does not cause this - that's a proven scientific fact, I'm not quite sure how people can argue against evidence like that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved. "

It's called compartmentalisation

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI?

I'll tell my cousin who was in one of the Towers at the time he's CGI.

Your cousin never exsisted according to some

The two at ground level don't either.

There are conspiracies big and small (LIBOR, covering up paedophilia, a surprise birthday party for someone's husband) and the people who want to ferret around in that have a hobby they enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if 911 is real then, aviation fuel can burn through steel girders but terrorists passports survive???

So what your basically saying is aviation fuel on an airplane cant explode

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

It's called compartmentalisation

I think you spelt "bollocks" wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

It's called compartmentalisation

Must be a big compartment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

It's called compartmentalisation

I think you spelt "bollocks" wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved. "

But that doesn't disprove the physical impossibilities that occurred that day, it's an unanswered question deriving from it

Agree a lot of people would have to be involved, how, why are they silent,

Not something I have or any theory I'am aware off can answer

But planes still leave debris, two jet engines hit a wall they tend to break a brick ot two, the towers where designed to withstand plane impact, then is loads of unanswered questions that mean We must question the official story until these are confirmed

Until a theory is proven it's unproven, in both cases for and against the official story there are unanswered questions which mean it cannot he accepted until these are resolved

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved. "

Now that I'm following this thread I will set out how I think it IS possible for hundreds of people to be involved.

It's very simple, you just change the instructions for people doing their job incrementally. You make small changes that mean not a lot in themselves, maybe efficiency savings or testing a new bit of kit. Everyone does their own bit as instructed. Only a few people know the big picture and how slotting the bits into the jigsaw will make the picture. You do need a few die hard kamikaze types, hyped up on saving the world, but for everyone else they were just getting on with their day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

But that doesn't disprove the physical impossibilities that occurred that day, it's an unanswered question deriving from it

Agree a lot of people would have to be involved, how, why are they silent,

Not something I have or any theory I'am aware off can answer

Until a theory is proven it's unproven, in both cases for and against the official story there are unanswered questions which mean it cannot he accepted until these are resolved

1..It also dosent prove it.

2..They have one of the planes engines in the museum in NY.

3..How did they come about the footage of the planes hiting the towers.

4..So until anything is proved its a conspiracy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reaserch any "conspiracy" u shall seek the TRUTH example A.

The twin towers....

So what is the theory? did the twin towers not exist in the first place? was it all CGI?

I'll tell my cousin who was in one of the Towers at the time he's CGI.

Your cousin never exsisted according to some "

This made me laugh, thanks for that

The only mention of CGI is in a challenge to the theory mindset. "was it all CGI" But you guys have run with it anyway, good skills

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By *irtyGirlWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

I'm not convinced that there wasn't more to the murder of Jill Dando.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think you can take just about anything and posit a theory that will take you in several different directions, all contradicting each other.

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By *ethepeopleMan over a year ago

Near you

Now we are here" princess of Wales "

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By *irtyGirlWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Now we are here" princess of Wales "

I don't want to think about that too hard but I wouldn't be at all surprised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I do lol. There wouldn't be any conspiracys if it looked real tho. Take the twin towers for example. We all know it looked liked controlled demolition.

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By *ethepeopleMan over a year ago

Near you

"Now we are here" princess of Wales "

I don't want to think about that too hard but I wouldn't be at all surprised. "
Well if she was to marry that would make the future king of England mum married to a Muslim , you could see that playing out !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If someone comes to me with reproducible evidence, gathered and expressed eloquently, published in a respectable non-biased source and is open for peer critique, then I will gladly listen and consider that evidence.

If someone says "queen did it cos she's an alien!!! FACT!!!!" I'm not even going to give it a second glance. Any idiot can scream and shout from under his tinfoil hat on the internet. They usually don't welcome being challenged.

My personal favourites are those that are all "it defies the laws of physics". There's a lot of phenomena in physics that doesn't seem to follow what we would call common sense or logic because there's a lot of subtle influencing factors, that you would understand if you were a physicist. The same for other sciences. Pareidolia is the brain seeing faces where there are none because of simple pattern recognition encoded in years of evolution. There's no faces on Mars, or little women either. We look for stuff and our brains are pretty good at conjuring up stuff from the input that isn't there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

But that doesn't disprove the physical impossibilities that occurred that day, it's an unanswered question deriving from it

Agree a lot of people would have to be involved, how, why are they silent,

Not something I have or any theory I'am aware off can answer

Until a theory is proven it's unproven, in both cases for and against the official story there are unanswered questions which mean it cannot he accepted until these are resolved

1..It also dosent prove it.

2..They have one of the planes engines in the museum in NY.

3..How did they come about the footage of the planes hiting the towers.

4..So until anything is proved its a conspiracy.

Exactly which makes the official story a conspiracy until the unanswered questions are resolved

2, four engines in total,

3, there has been people said that the planes that hit the towers had no windows, it's hear say and not provable so discounted, the ones that crash landed and hit the pentagon are the ones in question as they cannot have impacted without leaving a debris field,

Consider if you will that you accept the physical impossibility that they left no debris we have to conclude they didn't crash there, so where did they go, where are the occupants

As said above the truth will hurt a lot, Appreciate if you would rather not find it, just don't feel the need to label those that do to have their judgement clouded by drugs

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

cahoots

What if there are no conspiracy theories and in fact they are real conspiracies....theoretically speaking?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly which makes the official story a conspiracy until the unanswered questions are resolved

2, four engines in total,

Consider if you will that you accept the physical impossibility that they left no debris we have to conclude they didn't crash there, so where did they go, where are the occupants

As said above the truth will hurt a lot, Appreciate if you would rather not find it, just don't feel the need to label those that do to have their judgement clouded by drugs

But its proven that people are clouded by the drugs they take...or is that also a conspiracy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My personal favourites are those that are all "it defies the laws of physics". There's a lot of phenomena in physics that doesn't seem to follow what we would call common sense or logic because there's a lot of subtle influencing factors, that you would understand if you were a physicist"

Appreciate the point but it doesn't lend itself to kerosene melting items that would need a much higher temperature than kerosene can produce to melt, happening 4 times in one morning,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

But that doesn't disprove the physical impossibilities that occurred that day, it's an unanswered question deriving from it

Agree a lot of people would have to be involved, how, why are they silent,

Not something I have or any theory I'am aware off can answer

Until a theory is proven it's unproven, in both cases for and against the official story there are unanswered questions which mean it cannot he accepted until these are resolved

For me the theory of thousands upon thousands of people being (knowingly or unknowingly) involved in the cover up of something on this scale is more difficult to swallow than the official version. I just don't start from the position that the official version of events is necessarily a big lie or cover up. That's not to say that big lies and cover ups have never happened, but not on this scale. It's a leap too far for me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But its proven that people are clouded by the drugs they take...or is that also a conspiracy "

Is that a real answer, if it is I'am done,

The effects of drugs are not in question, your assumption that anyone who questions the official story must be negatively effected by them is,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved.

But that doesn't disprove the physical impossibilities that occurred that day, it's an unanswered question deriving from it

Agree a lot of people would have to be involved, how, why are they silent,

Not something I have or any theory I'am aware off can answer

Until a theory is proven it's unproven, in both cases for and against the official story there are unanswered questions which mean it cannot he accepted until these are resolved

Well said Miss

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for me the theory of thousands upon thousands of people being (knowingly or unknowingly) involved in the cover up of something on this scale is more difficult to swallow than the official version. I just don't start from the position that the official version of events is necessarily a big lie or cover up. That's not to say that big lies and cover ups have never happened, but not on this scale. It's a leap too far for me."

Understood, it's enough to make me.question the official story though,

Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,

Believing it did is a leap too far for me

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By *ethepeopleMan over a year ago

Near you

You forgot to say FACT that would make it true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Appreciate the point but it doesn't lend itself to kerosene melting items that would need a much higher temperature than kerosene can produce to melt, happening 4 times in one morning,"

I dont know the finer details to the incident given I was 10 when it happened however you're assuming that the kerosene was the sole fuel source which it wont have been on impact. Factor in turbulent airflow, additional fuel sources ie any other combustible items, confinement and aerobic resources and any subsequent chemicals produced in the reactions that can burn themselves, you can get a fire burning hotter than a simple pure kerosene burn. Even metal burns under the right conditions without melting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But its proven that people are clouded by the drugs they take...or is that also a conspiracy

Is that a real answer, if it is I'am done,

The effects of drugs are not in question, your assumption that anyone who questions the official story must be negatively effected by them is,"

In my experience they are...but no its not the real answer...but its a better answer than saying it never happened...a bit like how were all being poisoned by the contrails from aircraft

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A plane hitting the ground will break up and burn across a far debris field,

The fuel it had as an source would not have stretched that far let alone burn hot enough to completely destroy the parts,

That's common sense, factor in anything you want, it's proven that couldn't happen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Understood, it's enough to make me.question the official story though,

Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,

Believing it did is a leap too far for me"

Can't it? Why aren't physicists and aviation fuel experts around the world up in arms about this every day? If there was a huge news story and the entire premise of it was hinged upon something which I knew as a result of my area of expertise wasn't possible, you can bet I'd spend as long as it took gathering irrefutable evidence to expose that lie. Where are they all?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Understood, it's enough to make me.question the official story though,

Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,

Believing it did is a leap too far for me

exactly...and of course the plane burning up on the runway and melting never happened at Manchester either

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By *ethepeopleMan over a year ago

Near you

Next we will be saying there going to build a space station on the moon

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Next we will be saying there going to build a space station on the moon"

Mars actually

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Link please!!!!!!!!

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By *eorgeyporgeyMan over a year ago

Warrington

The earth being flat or not wouldn't preclude you from seeing further from the top of a hill than from the bottom....perspective applies in both cases....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even metal burns under the right conditions without melting"

I am not going to get into the silly twin towers didn't happen conspiracy.

But on the subject of kerosene burn temperatures have to agree with Bageria, anyone who has used acetylene welding can tell you the effects of oxygen on burn temperature.

Someone mentioned Thermite above, which is in essence iron oxide and aluminium oxide mixed with a combustion agent e.g. diesel. Bet both towers had lots of rusty iron and aluminium which burns plenty hot enough to vaporise most things and therefore turn them into combustible gas, just add oxygen which is quite abundant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,"

"Can't it?"

Well no

Totally agree about the where are they point though,

I have read of people making statements and losing their job etc buts it's hear say so ignored, wish whole heartedly truth could prevail either way so we can see\be sure the correct people are held accountable

But my point remains, there are issues with both official and conspiracy offerings, so both are tangible and not to be accepted as fact until the unanswered questions are resolved satisfactorily

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Even metal burns under the right conditions without melting

I am not going to get into the silly twin towers didn't happen conspiracy.

But on the subject of kerosene burn temperatures have to agree with Bageria, anyone who has used acetylene welding can tell you the effects of oxygen on burn temperature.

Along with all the other chemicals used and stored throughout the buildings.

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By *ildt123Man over a year ago

Huddersfield

We didn't land on the moon, the cia shit Kennedy, the USA blew up the twin towers, vapour trails in the sky are mind altering substances used by the government to control the population, Islamist terrorists are really bankers keeping war going to get rich and Elvis works in my chip shop! But I don't know what you mean by conspiracy theories

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By *ildt123Man over a year ago

Huddersfield

Oops shot Kennedy even the CIA aren't that mean

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oops shot Kennedy even the CIA aren't that mean

Haha,

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"Next we will be saying there going to build a space station on the moon"

We won't be building one on the moon, there's already one there, and we were told to stay away

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

It was aliens I tell ya, they told me when I was probed on the mother ship...

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

If 9/11 was a government act what was the goal?

I'm no engineer but I have worked on various building sites of tower blocks and ones being refurbished in London. All I can say is that if 9/11 was an inside job then the explosive (what ever it was) would have been installed at the time the buildings were first built. It would have taken months to install it and all the wiring. If it had been done after occupation the work would have been noticed and the disruption extensive. Either way hundreds of people would have been involved in the work, everything from manufacture to supply, transportation, installation and clean up. Unless they were all done away with after the work someone would have let it slip! Conspiracy theorists don't like practicalities because they punch holes in the theories.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

What you mean like Hillsborough!

Or like mk ultra

The American government poisoning alcohol during prohibition to put the fear into folk!

Operation north woods, where they planned to fly planes into buildings and blame it on Cubans!

Deliberately Giving syphilus to black men for 30 years so they could see the results

Trading cocaine for weapons so they could back guerrilla warfare!

Oh wait you just mean the tin foil hat ones!... Like 911 and aliens

Oh come on, it's not a conspiracy any longer. Everybody now knows that 4 teenage aliens stole mom and dad's flying saucer and went out parting. They had a little to much to drink and came to earth to mess with the primates. When they got here they got themselves in a storm and crashed into a weather balloon just outside of Roswell New Mexico.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even metal burns under the right conditions without melting

I am not going to get into the silly twin towers didn't happen conspiracy.

But on the subject of kerosene burn temperatures have to agree with Bageria, anyone who has used acetylene welding can tell you the effects of oxygen on burn temperature.

Along with all the other chemicals used and stored throughout the buildings.

Ok so not being argumentative but curious,

I'am interested how would you explain the two engines hitting the pentagon and not leaving an impact mark

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even metal burns under the right conditions without melting

I am not going to get into the silly twin towers didn't happen conspiracy.

But on the subject of kerosene burn temperatures have to agree with Bageria, anyone who has used acetylene welding can tell you the effects of oxygen on burn temperature.

Along with all the other chemicals used and stored throughout the buildings.

Ok so not being argumentative but curious,

I'am interested how would you explain the two engines hitting the pentagon and not leaving an impact mark

I also look forward to the answer and also the answer to how/why the third WTC tower collapsed despite not being hit by a "plane" and not in the direct vicinity of the twin towers

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. .

Does he understand the concept of why you can see further when your up a hill

To which I have to ask, do you really understand the concept of flat? ( think in terms of curved space)

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Conspiracy theorists always seem so fucking angry and miserable. I don't take everything at face value but neither do I see a conspiracy in everything or start from the presumption that big business/the government/the CIA/whoever are out to get me. It seems a crap way to live your life and indicative of feeling frustrated or hard done by with your lot in life. "

I could not have put it better myself.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Conspiracy theories exist, so I believe in them. Do I believe in the truth of them - of course not, as a general response.

Governments create and circulate propaganda and conspiracy theories, often to misdirect others, or to discredit other conspiracy theories, which may or may not have some basis in truth. If such agencies will go to great length to discredit conspiracy theories then I feel sure that will be some truth in some of them of course. Knowing which ones contain truth and are important is another matter.

As the conspiracies are populated by garbage from such agencies, then they'll not all have any value - many will have none.

But we do know that governments will take actions that aren't always seemingly legal or above board. Should we trust governments and conspiracy theorists absolutely - of course not!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some are probably true, some are a bit bonkers, but maybe the bonkers ones are the true ones.

Fuck!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Conspiracy theories exist, so I believe in them. Do I believe in the truth of them - of course not, as a general response.

As the conspiracies are populated by garbage from such agencies, then they'll not all have any value - many will have none.

But we do know that governments will take actions that aren't always seemingly legal or above board. Should we trust governments and conspiracy theorists absolutely - of course not!!"

Add 'we should only take as fact what can be scientifically proven' and I fully agree, well said

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't.

Can't deny the truth unfortunately

Happy to continue to deny your version of the truth, thanks. I trust my own brain more than yours.

Then I really worry for you

Again...please don't. I'm a happy and contented person and no one is out to get me. "

I think I'd quite like to get you, but only in the nicest possible way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think I'd quite like to get you, but only in the nicest possible way.

There are some heads that would benefit from a tin hat though, haha

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

" I'am interested how would you explain the two engines hitting the pentagon and not leaving an impact mark

I also look forward to the answer and also the answer to how/why the third WTC tower collapsed despite not being hit by a "plane" and not in the direct vicinity of the twin towers"

Are you though? Really? Either of you? Because my experience of conspiracy theorists is that anyone trying to correct their fallacies is just written off as being part of the conspiracy.

Mr ddc

Ps But then, I would say that, wouldn't I?

{taps nose....}

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,

Can't it?

Well no

Totally agree about the where are they point though,

But my point remains, there are issues with both official and conspiracy offerings, so both are tangible and not to be accepted as fact until the unanswered questions are resolved satisfactorily "

Which truth. Your truth or someone elses? You seem to take a dim view of anyone elses theories/facts.

I am an engineer and I do know a lot about the science of making shit go bang. Aside from the fuel there were many accelerants and environmental factors in the towers tragedy. And as for your statement about being built to withstand an aircraft strike, until it happened no civilian building anywhere was designed to resist a kinetic strike if that magnitude...the largest object they would have considered would have been a light aircraft /helicopter.

Open your mind is a favourite term of all conspiracy/alternative theorists...However for a lot of them their scope is narrowed, just shifted from everyone elses.

9/11 happened. We all saw it. Real people who were alive are now dead. Theories wont change it. Fucking move on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh crap,

"dim view",

I was going for 'discussing in a forum'

oh well thanks for the heads up

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By *qua vitaeWoman over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

I don't usually believe in conspiracy theories until it's proven, but I do believe there was at least a second gunman during the Kennedy assassination

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The titanic conspiracy was very interesting, I think you can watch the full length on YouTube

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By *aramelMINXWoman over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I'm a conspiracy realist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. .

Does he understand the concept of why you can see further when your up a hill

To which I have to ask, do you really understand the concept of flat? ( think in terms of curved space)"
.

No you've lost me?

If earth was flat you'd be able to see further than 3 miles, you can't because that's the horizon of the curve

If your up a hill say a 100 ft you can see a little further down the road.... Like 9 miles further

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you believe in conspiracy theories ?

Or is that a rhetorical question ?

What you mean like Hillsborough!

Or like mk ultra

The American government poisoning alcohol during prohibition to put the fear into folk!

Operation north woods, where they planned to fly planes into buildings and blame it on Cubans!

Deliberately Giving syphilus to black men for 30 years so they could see the results

Trading cocaine for weapons so they could back guerrilla warfare!

Oh wait you just mean the tin foil hat ones!... Like 911 and aliens

"
.

My point was the first six examples were considered conspiracy theory's for years until recently!

Some of the most outlandish stuff is true and some of what seams obvious is completely bollocks!

I personally think that alien visitation in the past has been highly likely, that doesn't mean every sighting is true just that there's a small percentage of the thousands and thousands of reports that have no other logical conclusion than extra terrestrial

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Understood, it's enough to make me.question the official story though,

Kerosene cannot melt that which it does not burn hot enough to melt,

Believing it did is a leap too far for me

I don't know about the other stuff but.... There is a website run by pilots, who think that the official account of the planes flight path that hit the pentagon is impractical and not possible even by a highly trained pilot, there's several thousand pilots who've signed it that wish to protest the official account and want it re examined!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lol Had one of these a couple of weeks back and I got hammered for defending the possibilities of conspiracies... nice to see a better showing of tin hat wearing loonies this time

As I said then, once you realise that the world is filled with people conspiring to achieve certain ends left right and centre... and that fuck ups really aren't half as prevalent... then the possibility that a few uber-conspiracies have at least been tried here or there starts to look more plausible... even if they haven't succeeded.

Some conspiracy theories are really erected on the skimpiest of rumours or a little nugget of a fact... others, like some of the more advanced 911 theories are more like occam's razor... they make much more sense of all the little details than the official story.

If I told you a few years ago that all our mobile phone information, our emails, and our internet use was being watched by the NSA and MI5 you would've labelled me a fruit cake... but here we are... welcome to the real world

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oooo can i share more personal information on "the cloud" please? You promise not to look now don't you Mr CIA, MI5 , etc etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So theres thousands of people involved in this lie then

That's the point. Something as big as "faking" 9/11 could never be kept secret because of the sheer numbers of people who would have to be involved."

Ok so reduce the numbers. Think... how could it have happened with less people being involved. That's how more believable conspiracy theories are mounted, not just rubbish straw man ones that everyone and their dog can laugh at.

I can see a clear path in which only a handful need have known... and even they might have known different things from each other. I would suggest giving up on the idea that any one person knew the whole thing was gonna turn out the way it did. I think there was an element of accident to the thing. But to me there was only one accident... not 172 or whatever the count of fuck ups the official story needs in order to work.

And the passports of the hijackers found in the debris the next day sealed it to me, right there and then, that the whole thing was being stage managed... that and the news they were "pulling" WTC 7 on live TV before it went down... hmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy at my work place believes the earth is FLAT??

he is dead serious lol.

Apparently there are loads of videos on YouTube which support his views. "

Does he watch them on a flat screen TV?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this"

Please don't.

I worked among the debris.

It was not pleasant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

Please don't.

Can't deny the truth unfortunately"

Can you not see the irony of your own statement?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The facts of physics can be stranger than 'common sense'.

Ice could sink the titanic.

Passports not destroyed because they have no mass

Steel beams cut by the mass of the fuel times acceleration / kinetic energy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Now it's voddy o'clock I am warming to the flat earth theory, need to wait for a proper session before I tackle what holds it up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Now it's voddy o'clock I am warming to the flat earth theory, need to wait for a proper session before I tackle what holds it up

4 elephants on the back of a giant space turtle...everyone knows this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Having worked around explosives for a long while I don't subscribe to the "it's made of XXXX and XXXX doesn't burn, therefore....." etc etc.

If the condition is right/wrong just about everything will burn/explode.

No one would believe self raising flour would explode. By a bag from Tesco, take it home and set fire to it. Only the paper bag will combust.

Now take a few spoonfuls, put it in an airtight container, swirl it round with a fan and drop a lit match in.

You'll be surprised by the resulting boom....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Now it's voddy o'clock I am warming to the flat earth theory, need to wait for a proper session before I tackle what holds it up

4 elephants on the back of a giant space turtle...everyone knows this."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh crap,

"dim view",

I was going for 'discussing in a forum'

oh well thanks for the heads up

Apologies, I took you for a daily mail reader so I used language you were familiar with.

On this topic you are seeming to overrule people with alternative points of view, and ignoring valid points...

But im an engineer. ..we love a good argument..doesn't mean I wouldn't buy you a pint

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Why are there never conspiracy theories about good stuff?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Why are there never conspiracy theories about good stuff?"

Aliens.....and now you can't post any more on your own thread....

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Why are there never conspiracy theories about good stuff?

Aliens.....and now you can't post any more on your own thread....

Well, that was a glitch - pressed the wrong giant red button

Anyway...NOW you can't post on your own thread anymore. Hehehehe.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Why are there never conspiracy theories about good stuff?

Aliens.....and now you can't post any more on your own thread....

Well, that was a glitch - pressed the wrong giant red button

Anyway...NOW you can't post on your

own thread anymore. Hehehehe. "

Wtf?!?! It's a conspiracy!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Why are there never conspiracy theories about good stuff?

Aliens.....and now you can't post any more on your own thread....

Well, that was a glitch - pressed the wrong giant red button

Anyway...NOW you can't post on your

own thread anymore. Hehehehe.

Wtf?!?! It's a conspiracy!

Gotcha!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this"

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have.......

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have......."

Well said!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have......."

So you can't debunk the facts so you resort to name calling? The sign of an intellectual right there. Ok, next....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh crap,

"dim view",

I was going for 'discussing in a forum'

oh well thanks for the heads up

Apologies, I took you for a daily mail reader so I used language you were familiar with.

On this topic you are seeming to overrule people with alternative points of view, and ignoring valid points...

But im an engineer. ..we love a good argument..doesn't mean I wouldn't buy you a pint

All is good mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"lol Had one of these a couple of weeks back and I got hammered for defending the possibilities of conspiracies... nice to see a better showing of tin hat wearing loonies this time

If you told me a few days ago I would be agreeing with your good self today.....Haha

But I very much do pal, well said

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have.......

So you can't debunk the facts so you resort to name calling? The sign of an intellectual right there. Ok, next...."

I think he's debunked the theory quite well.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I know people who believe that Michael Jackson and Princess Diana faked their own deaths and that belief is unshakable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have.......

So you can't debunk the facts so you resort to name calling? The sign of an intellectual right there. Ok, next....

I think he's debunked the theory quite well. "

He hasn't debunked any of the facts listed. Yes they are facts, there is proven scientific and documentary evidence proving them. Where is the evidence to disprove them? There isn't any - for example the bbc news report on live TV stating the third tower had collapsed when it was still visible in the background, are you going to tell me that that isn't evidence to verify said point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think there's truth to some of them, I won't go into which ones coz that would likely open a can of worms haha but some points made and some facts given cannot be argued with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives. "

Tomorrow isn't it. Didn't realise that

I take issue with what it appears this statement is indicating though,

wanting to know exactly what happened and that the correct people are held accountable does not diminish the atrocities that happened on that day, it was a disgraceful act and people needlessly lost their lives

Regardless of a person's view of how it happened we are all effected by the actual act in the same way

There are a lot of unanswered questions that need more investigation that's where I have left it anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have.......

So you can't debunk the facts so you resort to name calling? The sign of an intellectual right there. Ok, next....

I think he's debunked the theory quite well.

I think the human element has to be taken into account. Imagine the masses of information coming in from hundreds of sources. The panic, confusion, the noise, dust and death.

Any plan is great until firet contact...then it all goes to shit.

I defy anyone to be perfect under those circumstances

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"9/11 is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Definately (in my opinion NOT a terrorist act)

Some facts which cannot be debunked -

1) Nano thermite (used in controlled explosions/demolitions) found in the dust at Ground Zero

2) Dick Cheney, US vice president, ordered a stand down command to the US air force

4) The twin towers were designed and built to withstand plane strikes as per world trade centre structural engineers Leslie Robertson and frank De martini

5) BBC correspondents reported the collapse of the third tower, WTC 7 20 minutes before it occurred

I can go on and on with this

In your first sentence you use the words "is, definitely and opinion"

The first two are positives, it starts to unravel when you throw in "opinion"

So, are you an architect, civil or structural engineer, forensic investigator, examiner or anthropologist?

Have you studied the construction issue drawings and compared them to the as installeds, looked at the O and M manuals, compared the specification with the material requisitions and delivery notes?

Have you interviewed the witnesses and tested their statements?

Same for the families of the survivors.

If the answer is no, you have no knowledge base for your belief, there's no science or physics behind it to support it. It's no more than a picture of what your fertile imagination is drawing.

Is the answer is yes, you're a weird mongrel cross of da vinci, Wrenn, Brunel, Gil Grissom and Dr Sheldon Cooper.

If we meet on the way to market I've got some magic beans you can have.......

So you can't debunk the facts so you resort to name calling? The sign of an intellectual right there. Ok, next....

I think he's debunked the theory quite well.

I think the human element has to be taken into account. Imagine the masses of information coming in from hundreds of sources. The panic, confusion, the noise, dust and death.

Any plan is great until firet contact...then it all goes to shit.

I defy anyone to be perfect under those circumstances"

That's bad, that's really really bad. Everyone will agree on that. People, innocent people, being caught up in it is just horrible. Agreed. But if I were one of their relatives I'd demand to know the truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives.

Tomorrow isn't it. Didn't realise that

I take issue with what it appears this statement is indicating though,

Regardless of a person's view of how it happened we are all effected by the actual act in the same way

There are a lot of unanswered questions that need more investigation that's where I have left it anyway "

For me it's the pissing about with little theories in the way of a hobby, about an event in which so many people died, that feels distasteful.

If you actually want to effect change, what are you doing to try to encourage more investigation of what you feel so strongly about? Petitioning the government, writing to your MP? Sending your evidence to investigative journalists? Educating yourself about the science behind what you claim to have proved to be a lie? Or are you just mumbling about it to random strangers on the Internet?

Yes there have been government cover ups before. But I'm pretty sure the truth about Hillsbrough et al didn't come out as a result this kind of stuff, but as a result of a concerted campaign by those actually affected by it, the families. You don't hear so many of the 9/11 families spreading this kind of rumour. Or are they being silenced too?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives.

Tomorrow isn't it. Didn't realise that

I take issue with what it appears this statement is indicating though,

My statement is not indicating anything other than I will pay my respects tomorrow to all that lost their lives, I'm not sure what the issue is with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives.

Tomorrow isn't it. Didn't realise that

I take issue with what it appears this statement is indicating though,

Regardless of a person's view of how it happened we are all effected by the actual act in the same way

There are a lot of unanswered questions that need more investigation that's where I have left it anyway

For me it's the pissing about with little theories in the way of a hobby, about an event in which so many people died, that feels distasteful.

I have stated already that I don't have the answer to the silence, other than the online petitions signed by pilots engineers all asking for an independent review there is a lot of people quiet,

Could it be that anyone questioning the official story is slammed as a tin hat wearing druggie and not worth the agro, not my place to say or pass judgment on how people react,

I have tried to take on people's views on this discussion but it is a personal thing and people do take the view that to question is to disrespect

My personal activity was to educate myself make an informed decision and sign the petitions accordingly

You will have to excuse me a little if I jump to the defense of those that question when they are being labelled tin hat wearing junkies

Not continuing this debate though as it touching on something we all have feelings for and it's all going a bit aggressive

So I'll be backing out now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I for one will be respecting the fact that tomorrow another year has passed since so many people lost their lives.

Tomorrow isn't it. Didn't realise that

I take issue with what it appears this statement is indicating though,

My statement is not indicating anything other than I will pay my respects tomorrow to all that lost their lives, I'm not sure what the issue is with that. "

Then yes I fully agree, such a sad unnecessary loss of life,