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Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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This form should be a separate form which is removed from the rest of the application before any kind of shortlisting or selection takes place. The question is asked so organisations have data about the characteristics of their workforce. There should also be a "prefer not to say" option. |
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Depends what the job is for.
I'm fairly sure that it goes in your favour in some places. Ticking the 'we've covered all bases in equal opportunities' boxes looks good for an employer.
Cynical? Moi?  
My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.
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Very very very good point raised there op! I tend to tick the hetro for the safer bet but what does that say about me? Or is it more that what society says.. hmm. . |
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"Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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I refuse to answer those kinds of questions on a form - you don't legally have to.
Legally they should *only* be used for equality and diversity recording, however I don't trust most companies to not use them to influence the application process. |
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"I did put 'none of your business' on one form. However if you were a serious applicant , I cannot see that answer help those doing the initial screening select you for an interview . "
those doing the interviewing shouldn't see the sexual orientation form if its a genuine equal opportunities employer.
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"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.
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I think it's good that places like universities and so forth ensure that they're attracting people from all backgrounds. They can be a useful way to keep a check that, for example, people of colour, or disabled people aren't being systematically excluded by some step in the process. |
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"Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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If you really want the job , I would concentrate on my CV and answer the question about sexual orientation truthfully . |
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"Very very very good point raised there op! I tend to tick the hetro for the safer bet but what does that say about me? Or is it more that what society says.. hmm.
Thanks. That is our point really. It shouldn't matter, they may not be read, they maybe pointless but they are included in the pack and most people probably fill it in. Yes we get that you don't have any legal obligation to fill it in. Hopefully it wont make any difference whatever is ticked but organisations do ask and some people do take it into account. Despite that being illegal!
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids! |
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"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.
I think it's good that places like universities and so forth ensure that they're attracting people from all backgrounds. They can be a useful way to keep a check that, for example, people of colour, or disabled people aren't being systematically excluded by some step in the process."
Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process. 
I don't work in a university so that's why I said it depends on the job. I know a gay single Mum who was encouraged to join the Police cause she's a gay single Mum. That's all wrong to me, she should apply for the job because she's dedicated and right for it, not to fill a quota. |
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It's not illegal to ask! It would be illegal to discriminate on the basis of the answer given or that none had been given.
I'm sure it's easy for me to feel unconcerned since I'm white, Christian, young(ish), straight, cisgender and don't class myself as disabled, but I'm not offended by the question and generally always answer. |
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!"
Sounds good in theory, this is for a job in the NHS! So if they are still asking these questions...!
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"Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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i really dont see why we allow companies this much info, it has no relevance on you as a person |
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!"
Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations. |
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"Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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I have always ticked the prefer not to say. It's none of their business |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!
Sounds good in theory, this is for a job in the NHS! So if they are still asking these questions...!
Oh well, what will be will be "
I have no idea why it was asked, I can only assume their HR dept is behind the times.....(some big companies do not keep up with legislation) My company is over cautious...it keeps up with all the equality and diversity acts!
The company I work for is global but in some small pockets of the country they do not follow the head quarters policies which I think may be what has happened here but I only think. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!
Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations. "
I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes. |
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!
Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.
I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes."
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"This form should be a separate form which is removed from the rest of the application before any kind of shortlisting or selection takes place. The question is asked so organisations have data about the characteristics of their workforce. There should also be a "prefer not to say" option. "
Totally right^^^^^ |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!
Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.
I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes.
Ok, might do a bit of research tomorrow "
The biggest status quo in my company this year is the new paternity act! We do business in the US and they just can't get their head around it! It is a bloody minefield so I don't believe I am quoting wrong at all but I will stand and be slated in case I have picked it all up wrong but I don't believe I have because I was shocked at some or the 'defended' cases and acts! |
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"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!
Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.
I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes.
Ok, might do a bit of research tomorrow
The biggest status quo in my company this year is the new paternity act! We do business in the US and they just can't get their head around it! It is a bloody minefield so I don't believe I am quoting wrong at all but I will stand and be slated in case I have picked it all up wrong but I don't believe I have because I was shocked at some or the 'defended' cases and acts! "
I'm sure you haven't quoted wrong, I'm just interested now (having applied for quite a few things recently!) |
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"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.
I think it's good that places like universities and so forth ensure that they're attracting people from all backgrounds. They can be a useful way to keep a check that, for example, people of colour, or disabled people aren't being systematically excluded by some step in the process.
Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process.
I don't work in a university so that's why I said it depends on the job. I know a gay single Mum who was encouraged to join the Police cause she's a gay single Mum. That's all wrong to me, she should apply for the job because she's dedicated and right for it, not to fill a quota. "
Or they give the job to someone unsuitable just because they tick a minority box for the company. |
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E&D forms... as stated earlier.... should be detached from the application by HR.
Those shortlisting and interviewing should have no access to them and they should be completely anonymous.
Questions should only include information that is used centrally to ensure the recruitment attracts a diverse selection of applications.
Parental status or health questions are not E&D questions, and should not be included ( except if the post applied for demands a certain health level such as the ability to lift etc)
I work for a small organisation but have worked in national business and all recruitment rules are basically the same.
The question is....... how many employers folliw them?
If i were a small employer looking to recruit a tight workforce i may be tempted to peek
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"Depends what the job is for.
I'm fairly sure that it goes in your favour in some places. Ticking the 'we've covered all bases in equal opportunities' boxes looks good for an employer.
Cynical? Moi? O-) "
this is why I now put bisexual!
And I have been asked by big company's, I also had to send one via an agency on the same email as my application form so I'm sure he read it, but I'm not bothered with people knowing |
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We have this on every online HR function....sexual orientation, religion, shoe size etc
I always put 'Jedi' in the 'other' box for religion and for sexual orientation, I also fill in the 'other' box with the word 'yes'
It is all crap and as far as I am concerned and it is there to provide some unemployable person with an HR job. |
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"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.
I think it's good that places like universities and so forth ensure that they're attracting people from all backgrounds. They can be a useful way to keep a check that, for example, people of colour, or disabled people aren't being systematically excluded by some step in the process.
Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process.
I don't work in a university so that's why I said it depends on the job. I know a gay single Mum who was encouraged to join the Police cause she's a gay single Mum. That's all wrong to me, she should apply for the job because she's dedicated and right for it, not to fill a quota.
Or they give the job to someone unsuitable just because they tick a minority box for the company. "
positive discrimination....
its a way to ensure all sectors are equally able to apply, that doesnt mean they will get the job, it means they can apply.
so... the police have been told they are lacking single mums in their force. They then target single mums, their HR can now show that in the last recruitment drive they had 20% single mum applicants. But.., the person who got the job was a male. Done fairly? Who knows but thats the way organisations can prove they are being fair in advertising and the recruitment process. |
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"We have this on every online HR function....sexual orientation, religion, shoe size etc
I always put 'Jedi' in the 'other' box for religion and for sexual orientation, I also fill in the 'other' box with the word 'yes'
It is all crap and as far as I am concerned and it is there to provide some unemployable person with an HR job."
i feel your pain, and it is boring to complete. But its there so that ( amongst other things) employers can prove that they are not just employing young fit males when actually middle aged unfit females can do the job just as well |
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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago
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Whilst I understand why question like this exist, or more accuratly why employers collect this data, there must be a better way to do so without it it being collected along with the application form. Afterall whilst it is part of the form it has the potential to influence the decision to interview applicant. |
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You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true". |
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Don’t read into it too much. It’s literally just for monitoring who is applying.
By ticking bisexual you have done them a favor as their advert is then confirmed to be non discriminatory.
In all the applications I read not once have I been given that information. Honestly, I couldn’t care less if you was purple, believed jelly babies invented the world and shagged yucca plants. If you can do the job and you are the best applicant then I’ll employ you. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Whilst I understand why question like this exist, or more accuratly why employers collect this data, there must be a better way to do so without it it being collected along with the application form. Afterall whilst it is part of the form it has the potential to influence the decision to interview applicant."
No, it shouldn't.
A reputable employer will not allow the interviewer access to it.
What these stats enable HR people to do is look for systematic discrimination in the appointments process.
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"You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true"."
How can they prove it?
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"Dare I say it, but if TTIP comes in, there could be a minefield for employment rights, with us all sinking to the lowest levels of protection possible."
What is TTIP? |
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"Dare I say it, but if TTIP comes in, there could be a minefield for employment rights, with us all sinking to the lowest levels of protection possible.
What is TTIP?"
trade agreement between America and European Union. Donald Trumpety trump trump put a stop to it. |
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Hi, thought I would post, she was right to tick bisexual as that is what her sexuality is. Due to the equalitys act, employers have to accept everyone, no matter what their race, gender, etc is. In a way its a form of positive discrimination, I have experienced this as a male in children's nursing, I never got refused an interview and a job, as being bisexual. I do hope she gets the job, if not, there will be lots of opportunities |
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My boss is really homophobic. When I started working for her I had a long term gf and she knew I was bi as she knows my family. Her husband works for my dad. She's openly admitted to me if she didn't know my family and if her husband didn't work for my dad then she wouldn't of employed me due to my sexuality x |
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"My boss is really homophobic. When I started working for her I had a long term gf and she knew I was bi as she knows my family. Her husband works for my dad. She's openly admitted to me if she didn't know my family and if her husband didn't work for my dad then she wouldn't of employed me due to my sexuality x "
It's so sad that this kind of attitude is still around. Sadly they'll often be passing this on to their kids too.
My kids attended Nottingham Pride today and loved it. |
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"You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true".
How can they prove it?
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In some academic research they can spot brain differences and other biological markers between people who feel any kind of same-sex attraction and those who are exclusively heterosexual. There are different technological tools developed in the last decade which is fairly easy to find out one's actual sexual orientation.
However this technology has never been used in any western country in order to find one's sexual orientation (except in some cases in Austria and Hungary).
This doesn't mean that it is not going to happen in the near future as some Gulf countries intend to monitor the sexual orientation of their visitors through this technology (in order not to allow non-exclusively-heterosexual people to enter their countries).
Another way they can find out is through chatting and speculation, especially if someone who knows, speaks.
I believe that if someone lies in these applications about their sexual orientation, the threat is not from homophobic people but from LGBT activists and their advocates who want everyone to declare their sexual orientation publicly.
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"Evening all.
My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.
One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?
She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.
After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.
So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?
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well in a job climate such as it is is bisexual really a major admission so why lose an opportunity for a job interview admitting to a sexual orientation that has no bearing on this job opportunity? |
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"You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true".
How can they prove it?
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In some academic research they can spot brain differences and other biological markers between people who feel any kind of same-sex attraction and those who are exclusively heterosexual. There are different technological tools developed in the last decade which is fairly easy to find out one's actual sexual orientation.
However this technology has never been used in any western country in order to find one's sexual orientation (except in some cases in Austria and Hungary).
This doesn't mean that it is not going to happen in the near future as some Gulf countries intend to monitor the sexual orientation of their visitors through this technology (in order not to allow non-exclusively-heterosexual people to enter their countries).
Another way they can find out is through chatting and speculation, especially if someone who knows, speaks.
I believe that if someone lies in these applications about their sexual orientation, the threat is not from homophobic people but from LGBT activists and their advocates who want everyone to declare their sexual orientation publicly.
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Well they don't scare me. I won't be telling the truth on their job applications. |
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"Asking stuff like that and holding the information unecessarily feels bad in the land of GDPR.
To use to assess applications very, very naughty. "
GDPR is not valid for the purposes of "public interest" as it is clearly written on their legislation. Sexual orientation declaration for purposes of social justice is legitimate. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"My boss is really homophobic. When I started working for her I had a long term gf and she knew I was bi as she knows my family. Her husband works for my dad. She's openly admitted to me if she didn't know my family and if her husband didn't work for my dad then she wouldn't of employed me due to my sexuality x "
Time to find a different boss |
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Disagree. The point of GDPR is to ensure information private to you is kept private.
Legislation on employment means your place of education, age and sexuality must not be taken into account in recruitment. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Disagree. The point of GDPR is to ensure information private to you is kept private.
Legislation on employment means your place of education, age and sexuality must not be taken into account in recruitment. "
There should be a GDPR/Data Protection statement somewhere.
My recruitment is through an on-line portal. The statement is on the advert page and the application pages. A click takes you through to the retention policy and the system is set up to delete everyone but the successful applicant after six months. All applicants get a message 10 days before they are deleted so that they can choose to remain on the system for consideration for other jobs. Nothing gets printed out.
Even with e-mail or paper forms you should be clear what the retention policy is.
Equality monitoring should never been seen by the recruitment panel but with smaller organisations that is harder to achieve and police It is not legal to make completion of that information compulsory and, despite what was stated above, no one should have a truth declaration on their equality form as it does not form part of the job application. The application must be truthful. The monitoring data is for information. The more information collected the organisation, your sector and society is able to see whether there is discrimination and progress.
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.
I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified. |
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"At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.
I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified."
Oh it is totally illegal. Its a breach of data protection for a start. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.
I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified.
Oh it is totally illegal. Its a breach of data protection for a start. "
Perfect for a report to the ICO. The company might take data protection and confidentiality a little more seriously if faced with a fine.
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