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Why do people turn something so deep and meaningful, into something shallow and worthless. Yesterday I saw a poster outside a martial arts centre aimed at kids, it said " beat the bully", is it really a good idea to teach kids to be mini Charles Bronsons, don't get me wrong, it's excellent for children to learn from a good teacher, which is hard to find, because it can give them confidence in many aspects of life, but to reduce MAs to something like a revenge plot from a tacky movie demenes the whole philosophy of the activity. Same can be said of Feng Shui, meditation and many other systems that come to us.
It is a great shame, because so much can be learned and be helpful to those who practice them properly, before the ego money people get their claws into them.
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Martial arts taught me to beat the bully by walking away and more besides. Kicking his head in at a later date was simply neither here nor there.
It's quite a competitive world these days though and they try every trick to get kids through the door.
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When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again  |
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"Martial arts taught me to beat the bully by walking away and more besides. Kicking his head in at a later date was simply neither here nor there.
It's quite a competitive world these days though and they try every trick to get kids through the door.
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Kids need confidence and courage to walk away, takes a lot of guts to be called chicken, more than it does to beat the crap out of them. If you are attacked, then you defend yourself.
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again "
I used laugh when a tough guy would come to one of the classes and get thrown around by a young girl half his size, they never returned either. Shame really, because they could have done with being taught to tone it down a bit, but once their reputation has been destroyed, they're off. |
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Jackie Chan once said the most important weapon in any martial art is your legs. Use them to walk (or run) away. But, if you are pursued you can defend yourself and make your attacker think twice about doing it again. |
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"Jackie Chan once said the most important weapon in any martial art is your legs. Use them to walk (or run) away. But, if you are pursued you can defend yourself and make your attacker think twice about doing it again."
Unless the attacker is better skilled than you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The poster is probably a marketing ploy that's all."
Possible, I would hope they were teaching the non violent ways to deal with bullying if not, but I doubt it. |
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"Jackie Chan once said the most important weapon in any martial art is your legs. Use them to walk (or run) away. But, if you are pursued you can defend yourself and make your attacker think twice about doing it again.
Unless the attacker is better skilled than you."
True, but a knife hand strike to the jugular evens the field  |
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"Martial arts taught me to beat the bully by walking away and more besides. Kicking his head in at a later date was simply neither here nor there.
It's quite a competitive world these days though and they try every trick to get kids through the door.
Kids need confidence and courage to walk away, takes a lot of guts to be called chicken, more than it does to beat the crap out of them. If you are attacked, then you defend yourself.
Grasshopper."
Surely this is what they are inferring by the poster. That's the way I have understood similar MA posters.
What makes you think they infer it is ok to beat the crap out of someone? |
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Maybe it was purely a poor grammar thing, or a concept not put in words correctly...it didn't say beat up the bully. There are many ways of being victorious.
I have lots of stories about 'tough guys' turning up to train. Our club was pretty hardcore. On one seminar some Israeli commando krav maga guys said we were mental...took that as a compliment  |
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again "
How old was the kid? |
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It's not true anyway. If you're going to use violence against a bully a punch in the face is the best way to go about it. I remember being out one evening with our group of friends and some trouble starting. Someone shaped up to one of the boys and said I do karate. My friend laid him out with one punch and stepped over him. I really hated violence,I still do. Martial arts isn't the solution. |
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"Martial arts taught me to beat the bully by walking away and more besides. Kicking his head in at a later date was simply neither here nor there.
It's quite a competitive world these days though and they try every trick to get kids through the door.
Kids need confidence and courage to walk away, takes a lot of guts to be called chicken, more than it does to beat the crap out of them. If you are attacked, then you defend yourself.
Grasshopper.
Surely this is what they are inferring by the poster. That's the way I have understood similar MA posters.
What makes you think they infer it is ok to beat the crap out of someone? "
I've experienced some disturbing things being taught by MA instructors, to kids and adults alike, but you are right, they may be teaching correctly, but quite a few teach kids to be aggressive in those situations, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. |
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"It's not true anyway. If you're going to use violence against a bully a punch in the face is the best way to go about it. I remember being out one evening with our group of friends and some trouble starting. Someone shaped up to one of the boys and said I do karate. My friend laid him out with one punch and stepped over him. I really hated violence,I still do. Martial arts isn't the solution. "
Martial Arts taught correctly can be the solution, it doesn't have to involve violence. |
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I agree, it does seem to be karate kid style marketing. I learnt jujitsu originally because my brother went through a martial arts phase and I just tended to tag along with everything.
I never had an interest in fighting, but being bullied, I got into a fair few fights at school, so while it wasn't my intention to learn to fight so I could fight back, that was how things panned out. And I stopped going as a result.
Martial arts is more than just fighting, but a lot of people are too shallow to see beyond the fighting, and marketing in such a way just attracts the shallow people |
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"It's not true anyway. If you're going to use violence against a bully a punch in the face is the best way to go about it. I remember being out one evening with our group of friends and some trouble starting. Someone shaped up to one of the boys and said I do karate. My friend laid him out with one punch and stepped over him. I really hated violence,I still do. Martial arts isn't the solution.
Martial Arts taught correctly can be the solution, it doesn't have to involve violence."
The art of fighting without fighting, to quote Bruce Lee |
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again "
That's got to be made up
The teacher beat the living crap out of a student?
Sorry but I'm finding it hard to believe this
Surely any qualified teacher would just ask him to leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Martial arts taught me to beat the bully by walking away and more besides. Kicking his head in at a later date was simply neither here nor there.
It's quite a competitive world these days though and they try every trick to get kids through the door.
Kids need confidence and courage to walk away, takes a lot of guts to be called chicken, more than it does to beat the crap out of them. If you are attacked, then you defend yourself.
Grasshopper.
Surely this is what they are inferring by the poster. That's the way I have understood similar MA posters.
What makes you think they infer it is ok to beat the crap out of someone?
I've experienced some disturbing things being taught by MA instructors, to kids and adults alike, but you are right, they may be teaching correctly, but quite a few teach kids to be aggressive in those situations, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt."
Fair point, it could be either way. If it was me wanting someone to go there I'd check them out in case they are teaching aggression. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again
That's got to be made up
The teacher beat the living crap out of a student?
Sorry but I'm finding it hard to believe this
Surely any qualified teacher would just ask him to leave "
You would be surprised. ...
I've had instructors dislocate my elbow because I wouldn't let them 'have' a technique.
And I know one guy who told a student to relax...then uppercut him in the ribs breaking them.
There are many ways to teach lessons in the dojo.. lots of them are unpleasant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again
That's got to be made up
The teacher beat the living crap out of a student?
Sorry but I'm finding it hard to believe this
Surely any qualified teacher would just ask him to leave
You would be surprised. ...
I've had instructors dislocate my elbow because I wouldn't let them 'have' a technique.
And I know one guy who told a student to relax...then uppercut him in the ribs breaking them.
There are many ways to teach lessons in the dojo.. lots of them are unpleasant."
I don't think anyone can really sit and cast judgement on this kind of thing. You have to experience it. I was there... and even for us it was a bit surprising and borderline. No blood was spilt... but a professional black belt meeting a cocky white belt who recons he can "have him" isn't a pretty affair. The difference is that, having no respect for the dojo code, the lad was actually trying to attack my Sensi... genuinely... whereas my Sensi was quite deliberately restraining himself and demonstrating his art... if he hadn't he would've killed the lad.
I guess it was as much a lesson to us as it was to him... don't piss of the Sensi... lol nah just kidding... it was more about not succombing to viciousness... learn the craft, master it, but don't become a monster. People don't recognise the inner calmness that is required to be a truly great martial artist.
Sensi was tough... but damn he was an amazing teacher and a bloody nice guy. On that you'll just have to take my word for it |
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I don't think anyone can really sit and cast judgement on this kind of thing. You have to experience it. I was there... and even for us it was a bit surprising and borderline. No blood was spilt... but a professional black belt meeting a cocky white belt who recons he can "have him" isn't a pretty affair. The difference is that, having no respect for the dojo code, the lad was actually trying to attack my Sensi... genuinely... whereas my Sensi was quite deliberately restraining himself and demonstrating his art... if he hadn't he would've killed the lad.
I guess it was as much a lesson to us as it was to him... don't piss of the Sensi... lol nah just kidding... it was more about not succombing to viciousness... learn the craft, master it, but don't become a monster. People don't recognise the inner calmness that is required to be a truly great martial artist.
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You have to know how to let the devil out when it needs to smash maim and kill, but have the control over it to only do what is required then put it away again. We always pressure tested students to breaking point...one of the reasons we ended up with a mat of black belts haha
My ex wouldn't watch me train. She said I changed when doing a technique. I can go from happy and smiley to 100% focused aggression then switch it off and it freaked her out. |
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It probably doesn't mean literally beating the bully up but beat them in the sense that they have confidence and courage and new friends so they don't feel alone, all martial arts teach you to have discipline and also you know that you can't use your skills unless you're really defending yourself.
As soon as my daughter is 7 she's starting boxing, then when she's 9 she'll start kickboxing. I've already been teaching her things but she's only 5 and I can't do to her the things my kickboxing instructors done to me so I couldn't teach her myself. |
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again "
So your advice is grown men who are professional fighters should beat up children? |
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"They should just give kids guns, little .22 pistols, seems easier, cheaper and more effective a solution to bullying long term than martial arts.
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.22 certainly work well for mossad |
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When my daughter was 2 I showed her how to do an aikido wrist throw...but she was so small she had to grab your thumb in one hand and pinky finger in the other before spinning round. My dad was surprised when she threw him off a chair |
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The most important skills you will learn from doing martial arts are Self Confidence, Self Belief and how to accept being hit without showing a reaction.
I've seen many kids come to karate and get upset ( even cry) at being hit whilst sparing. They soon learn to tolerate the shock and realise it didn't really hurt so much. They then loose the fear of being hit.... and the very best defence against a bully is to show them you have no fear of them, it takes away the power trip that drives them to bully you.
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again
That's got to be made up
The teacher beat the living crap out of a student?
Sorry but I'm finding it hard to believe this
Surely any qualified teacher would just ask him to leave "
I was thinking this too. No martial arts teacher would risk their licence by doing this.  |
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"When I did JuJistu everything was going really well until this kid joined who was clearly there just to beat people up. He never observed proper etiquette, always tried to hurt people, and basically drooled over the whole thing. My Sensi tried his best to weather through the guy, hoping he would leave. He gave him tough tasks to do, etc. But the kid just kept on coming back. Finally, out of desperation, he invited the kid up and explained to him what it was like to deliberately seek to inflict pain like he was doing on his fellow JuJitsukans. He then proceeded to "demonstrate" it to him by beating the living crap out of him.
Funnily enough we didn't see that kid again
That's got to be made up
The teacher beat the living crap out of a student?
Sorry but I'm finding it hard to believe this
Surely any qualified teacher would just ask him to leave
I was thinking this too. No martial arts teacher would risk their licence by doing this. "
A good martial artist can absolutely monster someone leaving relatively little damage..
And applying some lateral thinking, the bully was in a room where they had paid money to be taught a physical fighting art and they got hurt, in a room full of witnesses that said it was just a heavy sparring session. Or that the bully had asked to feel what the technique really felt like. (Had one guy ask this while doing rope work-traditional weapon is a chain...he was tough until a plastic chain was used and penny sized chunks of flesh in a big line round his arm came off. He never asked again..)
Or he could be really mean and choke him out then make him feel worthless using key phrases when he is coming round and still in a very susceptible suggestive state similar to a deep hypnotic state...
And I am neither confirming or denying this has ever happened |
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A true master will have loads of ways to avoid a violent situation, they have no fear of pain or humiliation.
What about Feng Shui and Meditation, these are other teachings that seem to have become money making schemes as oppose to their original deep meaning and practical use. Sitting with eyes closed and legs crossed is just that, it's not meditation, I'm opening for discussion, not making a solid point.
Feng Shui, originally known as Geomancy, observe how animals live in their habitats and enquire, but when people say " his and hers teddy bears", are a part of Feng Shui, it is set for much ridicule. |
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"A true master will have loads of ways to avoid a violent situation, they have no fear of pain or humiliation.
What about Feng Shui and Meditation, these are other teachings that seem to have become money making schemes as oppose to their original deep meaning and practical use. Sitting with eyes closed and legs crossed is just that, it's not meditation, I'm opening for discussion, not making a solid point.
Feng Shui, originally known as Geomancy, observe how animals live in their habitats and enquire, but when people say " his and hers teddy bears", are a part of Feng Shui, it is set for much ridicule."
Ugh, I tried various methods of meditation, but the best source I found was one of the great courses series on audible which broke down mindfulness and understanding.
Feng shui I never got into for similar reasons as you've described, but it's psychology and interpretation (as I understand it from mind, body and kick ass moves) is wholly different. I'd rather just stick to personal preference and affordability |
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"A true master will have loads of ways to avoid a violent situation, they have no fear of pain or humiliation.
What about Feng Shui and Meditation, these are other teachings that seem to have become money making schemes as oppose to their original deep meaning and practical use. Sitting with eyes closed and legs crossed is just that, it's not meditation, I'm opening for discussion, not making a solid point.
Feng Shui, originally known as Geomancy, observe how animals live in their habitats and enquire, but when people say " his and hers teddy bears", are a part of Feng Shui, it is set for much ridicule.
Ugh, I tried various methods of meditation, but the best source I found was one of the great courses series on audible which broke down mindfulness and understanding.
Feng shui I never got into for similar reasons as you've described, but it's psychology and interpretation (as I understand it from mind, body and kick ass moves) is wholly different. I'd rather just stick to personal preference and affordability "
Looking deeper into meditation, I discovered that it isn't something you do or achieve, it finds you when the conditions are correct, and cannot be brought about by any system.
Have you read 'The art of war' by Sun Tzu? |
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"A true master will have loads of ways to avoid a violent situation, they have no fear of pain or humiliation.
What about Feng Shui and Meditation, these are other teachings that seem to have become money making schemes as oppose to their original deep meaning and practical use. Sitting with eyes closed and legs crossed is just that, it's not meditation, I'm opening for discussion, not making a solid point.
Feng Shui, originally known as Geomancy, observe how animals live in their habitats and enquire, but when people say " his and hers teddy bears", are a part of Feng Shui, it is set for much ridicule.
Ugh, I tried various methods of meditation, but the best source I found was one of the great courses series on audible which broke down mindfulness and understanding.
Feng shui I never got into for similar reasons as you've described, but it's psychology and interpretation (as I understand it from mind, body and kick ass moves) is wholly different. I'd rather just stick to personal preference and affordability
Looking deeper into meditation, I discovered that it isn't something you do or achieve, it finds you when the conditions are correct, and cannot be brought about by any system.
Have you read 'The art of war' by Sun Tzu? "
No, I haven't. It's something I keep meaning to read though.
I found the path of mindfulness helpful and meditation a byproduct |
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"Looking deeper into meditation, I discovered that it isn't something you do or achieve, it finds you when the conditions are correct, and cannot be brought about by any system."
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with this remark. Perhaps you have achieved extreme forms of success by waiting for meditation to hit you? But I certainly found that the time when I was actively practicing the system of kundalini meditation was most definitely when I got the best results from it. As with martial arts, cookery, or any craft, it takes dedication and practice and a clear structure. I know of some people who try and just think of nothing or who recite a mantra and I'm always amazed that they get anything from it. For me, meditation involves a quite specific act of mental focus upon different energy centres in the body and through that amazing things start to happen. These days I'm just too busy and distracted to get anywhere near the results I used to get... but at least I know its there to go back to... which is something I intend to do at some future date |
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I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep |
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My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be.... |
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"My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be...."
But that is assault. Bad advice. |
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"My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be....
But that is assault. Bad advice. "
Yep indeed.... |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep "
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring"
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone... |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone..."
Yeah, I once got in a brute force pushing contest with someone twice my weight, it was only a single misplaced foot that gave him the upper hand. Was absolutely gutted. Still, I managed to gain ground until that point |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone...
Yeah, I once got in a brute force pushing contest with someone twice my weight, it was only a single misplaced foot that gave him the upper hand. Was absolutely gutted. Still, I managed to gain ground until that point"
You probably know a lot of throws are about centre of gravity. Try throwing someone 4 stone heavier and 11 inches shorter...fucking nightmare |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone...
Yeah, I once got in a brute force pushing contest with someone twice my weight, it was only a single misplaced foot that gave him the upper hand. Was absolutely gutted. Still, I managed to gain ground until that point
You probably know a lot of throws are about centre of gravity. Try throwing someone 4 stone heavier and 11 inches shorter...fucking nightmare "
Yeah, jujitsu was mostly throws. Sounds like trying to throw a sontaran I can't imagine it going well |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone...
Yeah, I once got in a brute force pushing contest with someone twice my weight, it was only a single misplaced foot that gave him the upper hand. Was absolutely gutted. Still, I managed to gain ground until that point
You probably know a lot of throws are about centre of gravity. Try throwing someone 4 stone heavier and 11 inches shorter...fucking nightmare
Yeah, jujitsu was mostly throws. Sounds like trying to throw a sontaran I can't imagine it going well"
Yeah. The cowbag once picked me bodily off the floor and threw me head first into a wall by my right testicle. ..that hurt |
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"I always found the easiest way to reach that zen point was by refusing to tap out while being choked out....5 seconds of pain then pink fluffy cotton wool and sleep
I also found a heavy session with multiple combatants wore me out, but that was not exactly in the dojo and I was the lightest person in the ring
I was 15 stone lighter than some of the guys in my club. Could still slap them about and throw them. Club rule, you had to be able to do a technique on anyone...
Yeah, I once got in a brute force pushing contest with someone twice my weight, it was only a single misplaced foot that gave him the upper hand. Was absolutely gutted. Still, I managed to gain ground until that point
You probably know a lot of throws are about centre of gravity. Try throwing someone 4 stone heavier and 11 inches shorter...fucking nightmare
Yeah, jujitsu was mostly throws. Sounds like trying to throw a sontaran I can't imagine it going well
Yeah. The cowbag once picked me bodily off the floor and threw me head first into a wall by my right testicle. ..that hurt"
Yeah, I empathise. I've been lucky to avoid getting injured in the nuts when sparring or training, that's actually when I've received the least injuries. Guess I'm just clumsy |
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"Why do people turn something so deep and meaningful, Your thoughts please?"
Martial arts are techniques to maim and kill humans, they have no other purpose the spiritual and discipline arguments are just ways of polishing a turd to make it socially acceptable. |
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"My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be....
But that is assault. Bad advice. "
Strictly speaking the law permits preemptive strikes if the person feels they are in danger and if they remove themselves from the situation imedatly afterwards this is particularly aplicable in the situation where the victim is usually physically weaker ie a woman vs a man.
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"My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be....
But that is assault. Bad advice.
Strictly speaking the law permits preemptive strikes if the person feels they are in danger and if they remove themselves from the situation imedatly afterwards this is particularly aplicable in the situation where the victim is usually physically weaker ie a woman vs a man.
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Its proving it though... |
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I have being doing martial; arts for over 34 years and always teach my students it’s better to be a live coward than a dead hero ie if you can walk away run then do so only use your training when pushed into a situation , as for having aggressive s=students in the club well I tell them to calm down and learn the ethos of kung fu and enjoy or leave and don’t come back as people are paying to train and learn I am not going to let one person affect the people interested in training and learning
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"Why do people turn something so deep and meaningful, Your thoughts please?
Martial arts are techniques to maim and kill humans, they have no other purpose the spiritual and discipline arguments are just ways of polishing a turd to make it socially acceptable."
Whilst I can see your logic, I disagree, it's more about understanding mind and body for a lot of trainees. You aren't going to learn how to control your fear in a fight if you don't have a fight, but you aren't going to receive instruction from getting into fights, so you go to study martial arts so you can receive the training and discipline. It's when the discipline part gets left by the wayside that turns something good into said turd. The really slippy kind that's hidden in the grass that will make you fall over, and inevitably land in |
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"Why do people turn something so deep and meaningful, Your thoughts please?
Martial arts are techniques to maim and kill humans, they have no other purpose the spiritual and discipline arguments are just ways of polishing a turd to make it socially acceptable.
Whilst I can see your logic, I disagree, it's more about understanding mind and body for a lot of trainees."
By "lot of trainees" you mean the ones who do it as a sort of fashionable sport or hobby as oposed to the people who still do them in the spirit they were invented.
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"My mum always said to me "if anyone comes up to you saying "eh girl" and getting all lairy and in your face... Just punch them as hard as you can right in the nose, so that they are blinded by tears, then run away"
Never had to, but I'm more than capable of fighting back if need be....
But that is assault. Bad advice.
Strictly speaking the law permits preemptive strikes if the person feels they are in danger and if they remove themselves from the situation imedatly afterwards this is particularly aplicable in the situation where the victim is usually physically weaker ie a woman vs a man.
Its proving it though..."
Law is based upon the perception of a reasonable person not the actual facts.
Hence why when the police shoot someone carrying chair legs in a carpet cause they had a phone call saying they were shotguns they don't get charged for murder as they acted on the information they had.
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"Why do people turn something so deep and meaningful, Your thoughts please?
Martial arts are techniques to maim and kill humans, they have no other purpose the spiritual and discipline arguments are just ways of polishing a turd to make it socially acceptable.
Whilst I can see your logic, I disagree, it's more about understanding mind and body for a lot of trainees.
By "lot of trainees" you mean the ones who do it as a sort of fashionable sport or hobby as oposed to the people who still do them in the spirit they were invented.
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Well, you've picked a camp to sit in and judge from, so yes, everyone learns martial arts to beat people up and get on TV |
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