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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " Isn't helping them the Christian thing to do ? | |||
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Of course the UK had all these cultural problems for hundreds of years and we've only just begun to eliminate them (for the better IMO) and I don't wish to reimport them and at 418 people per square kilometre England has one of the highest population densities in the developed world and I'm still worried how all these extra people will effect our sustainability.
Of course it's not a case of we can't help, we offer massive financial help already, and maybe it's time we pushed for a global scale of 0.7% gdp, maybe we could actually push for a solution of the problems through the un and NATO (with yes, ground troops)
Maybe we could help the third world with temporary trade tariffs meaning they found it easier to export until they get a bit richer... The truth is there's lots of things we can do to help, maybe not Syria as for them it's probably too late but to stop the next Syria.
Of course anyone who is really heartbroken by this genuine tragedy can get of their arse and drive to Dover and give their worldly goods and time away to help all those genuinely needy people!... You don't need to spend your day arguing on here, just get up right now from your comfy sofa, load your car up with food, tents, clothes, drive down to the bank draw out 500 quid and redistribute to them, no need for government involvement!
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"I haven't bought a newspaper for years, I'm really and honestly NOT blinkered! The trouble with fairly well off liberal white folk is... They like to ease their conscience, they like to pretend it's not their fault and that they really really really would pay extra tax to help those poor suffering Syrians and provide housing and jobs and infrastructure..... All of which I'd add they could have done for fucking years through various charities, but they didn't, because in reality we all know even the most ardent helper of the helpless on here, really wouldn't hand over 1% of their salary to help anyone, let alone Syrians! So there'll post some good liberal sounding bollocks, quote some liberal sounding statistics, and go back to their nice comfy sofa and watch the news guilt free. There'll never point out that immigrants be they white, black or yellow have rarely ever integrated, rarely ever assumed the culture of the country they emigrate to when done on mass! However if you look at limited immigration where it's slowly brought through over along time you'll see that integration and cultural assimilation runs much smoother, you don't have to adopt a racist stance to do this just look at white uk emigration to any country and where it's done on mass like Spain, we tend to group together in British ghetto syndrome, where as you look at emigration to Germany we tend to spread about and assume more language and culture because of this!. Now speaking of cultural differences, I'm not very happy about letting in huge amounts of outside culture that's radically different to ours, you tend to find this causes problems in the long run for lots of various reasons,ie the polish drink and smoke their heads off (me personally that's a great attribute) however to a country with a national health service that's free, it could lead to future problems, especially when you consider that huge amounts of the cigarettes and alcohol are brought in from Poland and won't even have raised uk duty or the fact that 1 in 4 Syrian women are illiterate or homosexuality is seen as a definite reason to be beaten to death in Afghanistan or that some cultures come from a place where the state is the religion... Of course this makes me massively xenophobic to the chattering classes and there'll reply with the usual... RACIST YOU FUCKING RACIST .
Of course the UK had all these cultural problems for hundreds of years and we've only just begun to eliminate them (for the better IMO) and I don't wish to reimport them and at 418 people per square kilometre England has one of the highest population densities in the developed world and I'm still worried how all these extra people will effect our sustainability.
Of course it's not a case of we can't help, we offer massive financial help already, and maybe it's time we pushed for a global scale of 0.7% gdp, maybe we could actually push for a solution of the problems through the un and NATO (with yes, ground troops)
Maybe we could help the third world with temporary trade tariffs meaning they found it easier to export until they get a bit richer... The truth is there's lots of things we can do to help, maybe not Syria as for them it's probably too late but to stop the next Syria.
Of course anyone who is really heartbroken by this genuine tragedy can get of their arse and drive to Dover and give their worldly goods and time away to help all those genuinely needy people!... You don't need to spend your day arguing on here, just get up right now from your comfy sofa, load your car up with food, tents, clothes, drive down to the bank draw out 500 quid and redistribute to them, no need for government involvement!
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " What has religion got to do with this? From what I remember, the Syrian crisis began with the Arab spring which we in the West championed. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? What has religion got to do with this? From what I remember, the Syrian crisis began with the Arab spring which we in the West championed. " It began in 1918 with the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Jordan is tiny and has taken in 25% of it's population total. I am pretty sure that as Allah is the same God as the Christian one, for those who believe in God and understand the Abrahamic faiths. For those who believe the answer is that God gave free will to mankind. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human". | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " Actually you have said something quite important there. Despite all the hysteria this is very much an Islamic problem. We may have had a couple of high profile attacks and some westerners got beheaded but overall the biggest victims here are Muslims. Muslim victims of IS terror and murder outnumber western victims by a colossal multiplier. Unfortunately, the many and varied Muslim faiths now have extremist elements fighting other faiths and just by being the wrong sort of muslim in the wrong place is enough to have a horrible and violent death administered to you. This really is why the answer to this problem overall is the modernisation of Islam. A tough call when 95%+ of Muslims are poorly educated and live in abject poverty in the poorest countries in the world. It is going to be a very brave step forward to start this process, but it has to happen. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human"." . I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? | |||
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"I haven't bought a newspaper for years, I'm really and honestly NOT blinkered! The trouble with fairly well off liberal white folk is... They like to ease their conscience, they like to pretend it's not their fault and that they really really really would pay extra tax to help those poor suffering Syrians and provide housing and jobs and infrastructure..... All of which I'd add they could have done for fucking years through various charities, but they didn't, because in reality we all know even the most ardent helper of the helpless on here, really wouldn't hand over 1% of their salary to help anyone, let alone Syrians! So there'll post some good liberal sounding bollocks, quote some liberal sounding statistics, and go back to their nice comfy sofa and watch the news guilt free. There'll never point out that immigrants be they white, black or yellow have rarely ever integrated, rarely ever assumed the culture of the country they emigrate to when done on mass! However if you look at limited immigration where it's slowly brought through over along time you'll see that integration and cultural assimilation runs much smoother, you don't have to adopt a racist stance to do this just look at white uk emigration to any country and where it's done on mass like Spain, we tend to group together in British ghetto syndrome, where as you look at emigration to Germany we tend to spread about and assume more language and culture because of this!. Now speaking of cultural differences, I'm not very happy about letting in huge amounts of outside culture that's radically different to ours, you tend to find this causes problems in the long run for lots of various reasons,ie the polish drink and smoke their heads off (me personally that's a great attribute) however to a country with a national health service that's free, it could lead to future problems, especially when you consider that huge amounts of the cigarettes and alcohol are brought in from Poland and won't even have raised uk duty or the fact that 1 in 4 Syrian women are illiterate or homosexuality is seen as a definite reason to be beaten to death in Afghanistan or that some cultures come from a place where the state is the religion... Of course this makes me massively xenophobic to the chattering classes and there'll reply with the usual... RACIST YOU FUCKING RACIST .
Of course the UK had all these cultural problems for hundreds of years and we've only just begun to eliminate them (for the better IMO) and I don't wish to reimport them and at 418 people per square kilometre England has one of the highest population densities in the developed world and I'm still worried how all these extra people will effect our sustainability.
Of course it's not a case of we can't help, we offer massive financial help already, and maybe it's time we pushed for a global scale of 0.7% gdp, maybe we could actually push for a solution of the problems through the un and NATO (with yes, ground troops)
Maybe we could help the third world with temporary trade tariffs meaning they found it easier to export until they get a bit richer... The truth is there's lots of things we can do to help, maybe not Syria as for them it's probably too late but to stop the next Syria.
Of course anyone who is really heartbroken by this genuine tragedy can get of their arse and drive to Dover and give their worldly goods and time away to help all those genuinely needy people!... You don't need to spend your day arguing on here, just get up right now from your comfy sofa, load your car up with food, tents, clothes, drive down to the bank draw out 500 quid and redistribute to them, no need for government involvement!
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"OP ....Why don't you ask Allah ? "He bloody started it!! | |||
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"OP ....Why don't you ask Allah ?
He bloody started it!! "Who told you that? or did you just make it up.....? | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan?" There are not many Irish refugees full stop | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop" . Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads | |||
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"OP ....Why don't you ask Allah ?
He bloody started it!!
Who told you that? or did you just make it up.....? "Well, it's his fault!! | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads" . Not that I'm pro Irish but... I think there's a jolly good reason why England took more Irish refugees than Lebanon... It's called being next fucking door | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " Your thinking is wrong as its a problem caused by western support for rebellion against Asad. Also you have obviously missed the fact that Arab countries like Lebanon have accepted 25% of their current population. | |||
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"OP ....Why don't you ask Allah ?
He bloody started it!!
Who told you that? or did you just make it up.....?
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"As a hard working a conscientious atheist, I believe that it's all of our issues and I'm personally embarrassed at how little our government are suggesting we can do to help.. 20,000 people over five years, that's 4000 per year. Pitiful. Cal" still too many | |||
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"As a hard working a conscientious atheist, I believe that it's all of our issues and I'm personally embarrassed at how little our government are suggesting we can do to help.. 20,000 people over five years, that's 4000 per year. Pitiful. Calstill too many " Relax. It won't happen. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads" Weirdly it was not very easy to get to the Middle East in 1922 | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share" Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads Weirdly it was not very easy to get to the Middle East in 1922" .. You have noticed that those Syrians aint coming by jet plane aint you! You know they had boats, trains and fucking feet in 1922 as well funnily enough | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? " . How does a starving Syrian get to Manchester? | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? . How does a starving Syrian get to Manchester?" Ah well, I think this has reached an impasse. Your brain clearly does not see what is actually happening, only what it wants to fulfil your pre concieved idiocy. Or you are trolling. Either way, Enjoy. | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? . How does a starving Syrian get to Manchester? Ah well, I think this has reached an impasse. Your brain clearly does not see what is actually happening, only what it wants to fulfil your pre concieved idiocy. Or you are trolling. Either way, Enjoy. " . Ahh the trolling remark, always thrown when you've got no answer? You stated that Lebanon and Jordan have taken massive amounts of refugees like they were fucking saints, I think it's you who's lost control of your senses because you clearly can't see that the reason there's millions of them there is because... There next fucking door, just like England was to Ireland, Christ you didn't even know there was anything as an Irish refugee!!.. Refugees caused by guess what.. Religious differences, ring a ding, sound familiar! All anyone ever does on here is argue about who's the most moralistic and condemn the people who aren't.... Well whooppee fucking do, that should solve the world's problems... Oh yes then we have the... Were all humans statement, well that's brilliant, I'd totally fucking forgotten that, thank fuck somebody reminded me! Were all humans let's save everyone, there's three fields in Lincolnshire and 5000 holiday homes in cornwall, roll up roll up, superman has a plan for millions more jobs, millions more debt, millions more houses. Ok I'm listening | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? . How does a starving Syrian get to Manchester? Ah well, I think this has reached an impasse. Your brain clearly does not see what is actually happening, only what it wants to fulfil your pre concieved idiocy. Or you are trolling. Either way, Enjoy. . Ahh the trolling remark, always thrown when you've got no answer? You stated that Lebanon and Jordan have taken massive amounts of refugees like they were fucking saints, I think it's you who's lost control of your senses because you clearly can't see that the reason there's millions of them there is because... There next fucking door, just like England was to Ireland, Christ you didn't even know there was anything as an Irish refugee!!.. Refugees caused by guess what.. Religious differences, ring a ding, sound familiar! All anyone ever does on here is argue about who's the most moralistic and condemn the people who aren't.... Well whooppee fucking do, that should solve the world's problems... Oh yes then we have the... Were all humans statement, well that's brilliant, I'd totally fucking forgotten that, thank fuck somebody reminded me! Were all humans let's save everyone, there's three fields in Lincolnshire and 5000 holiday homes in cornwall, roll up roll up, superman has a plan for millions more jobs, millions more debt, millions more houses. Ok I'm listening " | |||
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"OP ....Why don't you ask Allah ? "I did try before I posted the question. Called me a bloody infidel and got in his dingy | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads Weirdly it was not very easy to get to the Middle East in 1922.. You have noticed that those Syrians aint coming by jet plane aint you! You know they had boats, trains and fucking feet in 1922 as well funnily enough "I love the cluster bomb routine where you insult as many weak livered liberals as possible before you say anything thought provoking. Anyway, the Irish did vote in huge numbers to go further afield and long before 1922. During the potato famines up to a million died, about 2 million emigrated and half a million went to the US. Since the 1920s hundreds of thousands more went to the US. They did use boats trains and their feet. They would have been highly unlikely to seek asylum in the middle east in the early 1920s because it was in a state of turmoil and there were easier, if further, destinations to go to. I'm pretty sure you're being a bit disingenuous about the middle east too: didn't you do a post on all the disputes going on there over the years and Syria, Palestine, Iraq were all in turmoil - by modern standards refugees try to go to a safe state not one that's at war and people would have felt the same then. Since you started the question - it's not how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan that's important. It's how many tried to go there. SO how many did do you think? Any answer close to none will do, so there weren't any to be accepted there. Just because they didn't go to the destination you chose, it doesn't mean that they didn't go to places far far away to find both physical safety and a level of economic security. They've been emigrating 'gradually' to the US since the 1840s, they still cluster together in Irish communities -although being white and english speaking would have made it easier for them to integrate homogenously - and despite that they are still a vibrant and important part of the overall community. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads Weirdly it was not very easy to get to the Middle East in 1922.. You have noticed that those Syrians aint coming by jet plane aint you! You know they had boats, trains and fucking feet in 1922 as well funnily enough
I love the cluster bomb routine where you insult as many weak livered liberals as possible before you say anything thought provoking.
Anyway, the Irish did vote in huge numbers to go further afield and long before 1922. During the potato famines up to a million died, about 2 million emigrated and half a million went to the US. Since the 1920s hundreds of thousands more went to the US. They did use boats trains and their feet.
They would have been highly unlikely to seek asylum in the middle east in the early 1920s because it was in a state of turmoil and there were easier, if further, destinations to go to. I'm pretty sure you're being a bit disingenuous about the middle east too: didn't you do a post on all the disputes going on there over the years and Syria, Palestine, Iraq were all in turmoil - by modern standards refugees try to go to a safe state not one that's at war and people would have felt the same then.
Since you started the question - it's not how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan that's important. It's how many tried to go there. SO how many did do you think? Any answer close to none will do, so there weren't any to be accepted there.
Just because they didn't go to the destination you chose, it doesn't mean that they didn't go to places far far away to find both physical safety and a level of economic security.
They've been emigrating 'gradually' to the US since the 1840s, they still cluster together in Irish communities -although being white and english speaking would have made it easier for them to integrate homogenously - and despite that they are still a vibrant and important part of the overall community. ". I'm not insulting people, I'm waking them up! You want to mention mass immigration to the us and cultural differences OK Let's look what happened in the us when they had large scale immigration 1 they got richer 2 they had to build more stuff 3 that required more resources 4 they ran out of resources and had to invent foreign policy to acquire more resources! 5 some of those immigrants brought social problems Russian immigration, Russian Mafia Italian immigration Italian Mafia Chinese, Irish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Jamaican! All brought a certain amount of organised crime with them! Now the Jordanians have done a great job with the influx of refugees, truly great, of course they've had substantial monetary help from lots of countries, the UK to say the least, if you get ten minutes you can browse there news media, you'll find there's a very large section of Jordanians who quite frankly are sick of the refugees, there sick of the crime they've brought and the beggars, because there's no jobs for them, there sick of the lack of housing, to such an extent they've started to force Syrians out from housing into the camps, and its not just the Syrians, they've had Iraqi, Palestinians twice and funnily enough... Even the Palestinian immigrants in Jordan are complaining about the Syrians (oh the irony), of course at least the Syrians have left there border open as such, the Lebanese closed there's to Syrians ages ago!... Yeah those fucking Arabs are so racist to err more Arabs !
To be fair Lebanon and Palestine are the only two country's with a higher population density than England, once you've removed the tiny island's like Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bahrain etc etc, so maybe just maybe... They just can't take anyone refugees because there... Err full
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? It is a human problem. Lebanon and Jordan have taken a vast amount of refugees. Demographically sometimes upto 50% of their population. Division of humans into categories causes war. We need not divide us any further than "human".. I was just wondering if you knew by any chance, how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan? There are not many Irish refugees full stop. Oh, Irish civil war 1922... Thousands fled, did Jordan and Lebanon take many! I seem to remember England took shit loads Weirdly it was not very easy to get to the Middle East in 1922.. You have noticed that those Syrians aint coming by jet plane aint you! You know they had boats, trains and fucking feet in 1922 as well funnily enough
I love the cluster bomb routine where you insult as many weak livered liberals as possible before you say anything thought provoking.
Anyway, the Irish did vote in huge numbers to go further afield and long before 1922. During the potato famines up to a million died, about 2 million emigrated and half a million went to the US. Since the 1920s hundreds of thousands more went to the US. They did use boats trains and their feet.
They would have been highly unlikely to seek asylum in the middle east in the early 1920s because it was in a state of turmoil and there were easier, if further, destinations to go to. I'm pretty sure you're being a bit disingenuous about the middle east too: didn't you do a post on all the disputes going on there over the years and Syria, Palestine, Iraq were all in turmoil - by modern standards refugees try to go to a safe state not one that's at war and people would have felt the same then.
Since you started the question - it's not how many Irish refugees are in Lebanon or Jordan that's important. It's how many tried to go there. SO how many did do you think? Any answer close to none will do, so there weren't any to be accepted there.
Just because they didn't go to the destination you chose, it doesn't mean that they didn't go to places far far away to find both physical safety and a level of economic security.
They've been emigrating 'gradually' to the US since the 1840s, they still cluster together in Irish communities -although being white and english speaking would have made it easier for them to integrate homogenously - and despite that they are still a vibrant and important part of the overall community. .
I'm not insulting people, I'm waking them up!
You want to mention mass immigration to the us and cultural differences OK
Let's look what happened in the us when they had large scale immigration
1 they got richer
2 they had to build more stuff
3 that required more resources
4 they ran out of resources and had to invent foreign policy to acquire more resources!
5 some of those immigrants brought social problems
Russian immigration, Russian Mafia
Italian immigration Italian Mafia
Chinese, Irish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Jamaican! All brought a certain amount of organised crime with them!
Now the Jordanians have done a great job with the influx of refugees, truly great, of course they've had substantial monetary help from lots of countries, the UK to say the least, if you get ten minutes you can browse there news media, you'll find there's a very large section of Jordanians who quite frankly are sick of the refugees, there sick of the crime they've brought and the beggars, because there's no jobs for them, there sick of the lack of housing, to such an extent they've started to force Syrians out from housing into the camps, and its not just the Syrians, they've had Iraqi, Palestinians twice and funnily enough... Even the Palestinian immigrants in Jordan are complaining about the Syrians (oh the irony), of course at least the Syrians have left there border open as such, the Lebanese closed there's to Syrians ages ago!... Yeah those fucking Arabs are so racist to err more Arabs !
To be fair Lebanon and Palestine are the only two country's with a higher population density than England, once you've removed the tiny island's like Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bahrain etc etc, so maybe just maybe... They just can't take anyone refugees because there... Err full
Or maybe there just a bunch of racists who knows?"As far as I remember, in Jordan and Lebanon refugees cannot work legally. The food aid the refugees get has just been reduced to about £10 per month per person and will run out in months. Being a fat waster of liberal bastard I spend more than £10 a day on food - I almost own Pret a Manger by now - but the concept of feeding a refugee on £10 a month is ludicrous. They can't work because that upsets the locals, they get little food aid and they are in truly serious population densities (not so much in Jordan where many are distributed across the community rather than camps). It's no wonder the refugees are pissed off - they want to be home, they don't know if their homes have been destroyed or stolen, they don't know their fate. None of us, if put in that situation would want to stay there. It's no wonder the Jordanians and Lebanese are fed up. Their population is loaded with a million or more displaced people each . And people here are complaining about the cost of 20000 (OVER 5 YEARS). Do the sums that's 20000/(5 x365) = 11 per day and we've got people moaning about the strain on our economy. I fully accept that it's disgusting that other middle eastern countries have shut there eyes and doors to these people - but 11 a day... bloody hell is this GREAT Britain or puny Britain? | |||
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"Ps.... You make me chuckle, your forever quoting numbers, then you slag off people who quote numbers "Read the bit where I say the numbers are meaningless. That's the point.
I can take your meaningless number and make lots more which are the same statistics, even bigger than your 'bursting at the seams' number and just as fiddled as your use of 413.
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"I'd also point out that Jordan has complained about... Safety, there extremely concerned about the section of Syrians coming from areas like Aleppo who could be related in someway to err... Terrorists, you'll laugh at this but even fucking Lebanon has made complaints about syrian terrorists..I know Lebanon lol, there the fucking terrorist capital of the middle East, crazy hey, anyhoo I guess Lebanon and Jordan must be listening to that same biased media who make up this isis bullshit!!...I mean everyone on here knows isis is made up by Tony Blair and George bush?." How can you say EVEN Lebanon? Over the past 50 years they've had every revolutionary or terror group possible operating on their territory. Of course they are scared of terorists - they are the world's leading experts at having had terror groups operating on their territory and some how came through that. There's no magic in that. No surprise. Fuck I hope that our security services can screen 11 people per day. They may have to shorten their tea breaks by 15 seconds. | |||
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Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
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"Pps it's about as meaningless as saying a third of London has "green bits" as if that somehow indicates space... Those "green bits" are what's known as peoples gardens and national parks... Oh yes, that's just a dandy idea, let's fill in Hyde park with a nice big housing estate... That'll really help" Nope - you can keep your land grabbing hands off OUR green spaces. Besides if I take that out of the numbers (47%) then the population density of England is more like 7500 per sq km (well OK of London, excluding its green space.... cos of course that's totally representative of England. So there you are, England's population density is 7400/sq km - we are bursting at the seams they wail (oh aftyer we've excluded all the low population density areas that is). Oh no that's not extreme enough, let's cALL IT 13000/sq km becaue that's about the value for some of the more populated boroughs of London --- look England's bursting at the seams even more. So the short answer is NO you can't take away the green spaces and you're use of 413 /sq km is still snake oil. Mind you , we Londoners enjoy those green spaces - we don't actually often complain about bursting at the seems (of course at least one will now to 'prove' me wrong) | |||
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"I'd also point out that Jordan has complained about... Safety, there extremely concerned about the section of Syrians coming from areas like Aleppo who could be related in someway to err... Terrorists, you'll laugh at this but even fucking Lebanon has made complaints about syrian terrorists..I know Lebanon lol, there the fucking terrorist capital of the middle East, crazy hey, anyhoo I guess Lebanon and Jordan must be listening to that same biased media who make up this isis bullshit!!...I mean everyone on here knows isis is made up by Tony Blair and George bush?. How can you say EVEN Lebanon? Over the past 50 years they've had every revolutionary or terror group possible operating on their territory. Of course they are scared of terorists - they are the world's leading experts at having had terror groups operating on their territory and some how came through that. There's no magic in that. No surprise. Fuck I hope that our security services can screen 11 people per day. They may have to shorten their tea breaks by 15 seconds. " .. Still can't admit that there's a large percentage of Lebanese who are terrorists I see!.. Tell me where did these terrorists in Lebanon come from if they weren't Lebanese.... No don't tell me... Birmingham! | |||
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"Pps it's about as meaningless as saying a third of London has "green bits" as if that somehow indicates space... Those "green bits" are what's known as peoples gardens and national parks... Oh yes, that's just a dandy idea, let's fill in Hyde park with a nice big housing estate... That'll really help Nope - you can keep your land grabbing hands off OUR green spaces. Besides if I take that out of the numbers (47%) then the population density of England is more like 7500 per sq km (well OK of London, excluding its green space.... cos of course that's totally representative of England. So there you are, England's population density is 7400/sq km - we are bursting at the seams they wail (oh aftyer we've excluded all the low population density areas that is). Oh no that's not extreme enough, let's cALL IT 13000/sq km becaue that's about the value for some of the more populated boroughs of London --- look England's bursting at the seams even more. So the short answer is NO you can't take away the green spaces and you're use of 413 /sq km is still snake oil. Mind you , we Londoners enjoy those green spaces - we don't actually often complain about bursting at the seems (of course at least one will now to 'prove' me wrong)" . That's alot of blabbering! Let's just say that according to wikipedia (who reference from un numbers) The country of England... Is 413 people per sq/km No snake oil needed, no need to look into peoples garden space! | |||
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"Slovakia won't take any unless there Christian! Poland have refused, Hungary, Latvia, none of the eastern Europeans want anything to do with any refugees Ireland's talking about taking 200 Japan's taking 11... Yes 11 Australia aren't taking any, Saudi no, Kuwait, no ,Bahrain, no China... Wealthy and large.. Err none Russia none... And there the Syrians biggest supporter (I mean of military equipment )
Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
Still I'm sure there's room for them inside your shed in your green space!"I'm a lily livered, cowardly, do gooder Grauniad reading liberal deliverer of Marxist claptrap according to a compilation of several correspondents' views (oh and a piss taker ;-( ) so I don't give a damn if other countries don't do their bit - the UK can do its share. Our struggles to accommodate 11 Syrians per day are tiny - I don't have a garden shed but I'm sure you'll put a couple of dozen up in your compost digester's plant room as well as your spare room. I'll leave you to fester with thoughts about Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese - because people are going to love having that as a smoke screen since it's nil relevance to Syrian refugees. I know of one or two who surprisingly are even more xenophobic than you who will enjoy an irrelevant rant. The pleasure about being diametrically opposed to some of your views is that you at least have your own thoughts and reasoning and aren't just chanting some daft political dogma - well not all the time. Plus you have an infinite supply of snake oil. 413/sq km | |||
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"I haven't bought a newspaper for years, I'm really and honestly NOT blinkered! The trouble with fairly well off liberal white folk is... They like to ease their conscience, they like to pretend it's not their fault and that they really really really would pay extra tax to help those poor suffering Syrians and provide housing and jobs and infrastructure..... All of which I'd add they could have done for fucking years through various charities, but they didn't, because in reality we all know even the most ardent helper of the helpless on here, really wouldn't hand over 1% of their salary to help anyone, let alone Syrians! So there'll post some good liberal sounding bollocks, quote some liberal sounding statistics, and go back to their nice comfy sofa and watch the news guilt free. There'll never point out that immigrants be they white, black or yellow have rarely ever integrated, rarely ever assumed the culture of the country they emigrate to when done on mass! However if you look at limited immigration where it's slowly brought through over along time you'll see that integration and cultural assimilation runs much smoother, you don't have to adopt a racist stance to do this just look at white uk emigration to any country and where it's done on mass like Spain, we tend to group together in British ghetto syndrome, where as you look at emigration to Germany we tend to spread about and assume more language and culture because of this!. Now speaking of cultural differences, I'm not very happy about letting in huge amounts of outside culture that's radically different to ours, you tend to find this causes problems in the long run for lots of various reasons,ie the polish drink and smoke their heads off (me personally that's a great attribute) however to a country with a national health service that's free, it could lead to future problems, especially when you consider that huge amounts of the cigarettes and alcohol are brought in from Poland and won't even have raised uk duty or the fact that 1 in 4 Syrian women are illiterate or homosexuality is seen as a definite reason to be beaten to death in Afghanistan or that some cultures come from a place where the state is the religion... Of course this makes me massively xenophobic to the chattering classes and there'll reply with the usual... RACIST YOU FUCKING RACIST .
Of course the UK had all these cultural problems for hundreds of years and we've only just begun to eliminate them (for the better IMO) and I don't wish to reimport them and at 418 people per square kilometre England has one of the highest population densities in the developed world and I'm still worried how all these extra people will effect our sustainability.
Of course it's not a case of we can't help, we offer massive financial help already, and maybe it's time we pushed for a global scale of 0.7% gdp, maybe we could actually push for a solution of the problems through the un and NATO (with yes, ground troops)
Maybe we could help the third world with temporary trade tariffs meaning they found it easier to export until they get a bit richer... The truth is there's lots of things we can do to help, maybe not Syria as for them it's probably too late but to stop the next Syria.
Of course anyone who is really heartbroken by this genuine tragedy can get of their arse and drive to Dover and give their worldly goods and time away to help all those genuinely needy people!... You don't need to spend your day arguing on here, just get up right now from your comfy sofa, load your car up with food, tents, clothes, drive down to the bank draw out 500 quid and redistribute to them, no need for government involvement!
there waiting for you, you all have cars and access to trains. Go go go go go go"
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"Pps it's about as meaningless as saying a third of London has "green bits" as if that somehow indicates space... Those "green bits" are what's known as peoples gardens and national parks... Oh yes, that's just a dandy idea, let's fill in Hyde park with a nice big housing estate... That'll really help Nope - you can keep your land grabbing hands off OUR green spaces. Besides if I take that out of the numbers (47%) then the population density of England is more like 7500 per sq km (well OK of London, excluding its green space.... cos of course that's totally representative of England. So there you are, England's population density is 7400/sq km - we are bursting at the seams they wail (oh aftyer we've excluded all the low population density areas that is). Oh no that's not extreme enough, let's cALL IT 13000/sq km becaue that's about the value for some of the more populated boroughs of London --- look England's bursting at the seams even more. So the short answer is NO you can't take away the green spaces and you're use of 413 /sq km is still snake oil. Mind you , we Londoners enjoy those green spaces - we don't actually often complain about bursting at the seems (of course at least one will now to 'prove' me wrong). That's alot of blabbering! Let's just say that according to wikipedia (who reference from un numbers) The country of England... Is 413 people per sq/km No snake oil needed, no need to look into peoples garden space! " It's absolutely meaningless. 413/.sq km is the population density of leafy Maidstone. It's not bursting at the seams. Penrith comes in at a couple of thousand per sq/km. That's smack bang in the middle of the least densely populated area of England (and its in the vastly underpopulated north, population density 220/sq km). It isn't bursting at the seams. Go there... it's rural.. it's lovely and it's population density is FAR higher than your snake oil number. Or perhaps you feel overcrowded there in your 5m by 5m TV room - that's ma population density of 40000/sq km in your very own rural/urban idyll. Make up whatever number you want. Lop off all the inconvenient bits of the country that don't fit your model. Even when you do that all the talk about running out of space and bursting at the seams is rubbish. Bloody snake oil. | |||
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"Have any of them got in their cars yet, or tootled off to the train station? Oh no, still sitting in their comfy arm chairs posting on here to make themselves feel better arn't they. " Well I for one have been doing my bit... a couple of weeks ago I gave my Fab account over to a small group of long bearded syrian blokes who said they needed to borrow it. I said they could use it just as long as they didn't post a whole load of crap about God all over the forums... as people would think it was me posting it and confuse me for some god-crazed looney. Nice bunch of fellas... with a very fascinating machette collection   | |||
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"Ps.... You make me chuckle, your forever quoting numbers, then you slag off people who quote numbers
He also gives links to websites, and does'nt like it when others give links to websites, lol. "It's not possible to take you seriously - you're a collection of UKIP fact sheets glued together by some tired old links to UKIP propaganda videos and a few smart arsed comments about politicians that you think will upset people. Incidentally it doesn't work on me - I've no affiliation to any politician. But since you like that game: How is Farage getting on with his far right and fascist bed fellows in his European grouping? Now what was the name of that woman who spent 42 years as a founder member and leader of the French national front? Oh yes, that's the one they pretend is an independent on their website. Or who was that Polish guy who they got from a party founded by a holocaust denier who believes that rape is impossible and has some very interesting things to say about 'negroes'? Or what about the far right representatives from Scandinavia. Oh and it was very amusing that you found Goebbels to be a funny name for a Belgian. What a jolly xenophobe. So please do give an update on your glorious leader's fascist bedfellows | |||
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"Slovakia won't take any unless there Christian! Poland have refused, Hungary, Latvia, none of the eastern Europeans want anything to do with any refugees Ireland's talking about taking 200 Japan's taking 11... Yes 11 Australia aren't taking any, Saudi no, Kuwait, no ,Bahrain, no China... Wealthy and large.. Err none Russia none... And there the Syrians biggest supporter (I mean of military equipment )
Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
Still I'm sure there's room for them inside your shed in your green space!
I'm a lily livered, cowardly, do gooder Grauniad reading liberal deliverer of Marxist claptrap according to a compilation of several correspondents' views (oh and a piss taker ;-( ) so I don't give a damn if other countries don't do their bit - the UK can do its share. Our struggles to accommodate 11 Syrians per day are tiny - I don't have a garden shed but I'm sure you'll put a couple of dozen up in your compost digester's plant room as well as your spare room.
I'll leave you to fester with thoughts about Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese - because people are going to love having that as a smoke screen since it's nil relevance to Syrian refugees. I know of one or two who surprisingly are even more xenophobic than you who will enjoy an irrelevant rant. The pleasure about being diametrically opposed to some of your views is that you at least have your own thoughts and reasoning and aren't just chanting some daft political dogma - well not all the time.
Plus you have an infinite supply of snake oil. 413/sq km ".
I have concerns about some foreign cultures... If that makes me xenophobic, then so be it!
I've got all sorts of whacky ideas like separation of state and religion, self sustainability which means we stop causing shit in other countries, democratic mass referenda on important issues, freedom from persecution from the state.... And yes when you want freedom from persecution from the state, sometimes you have to defend what you don't like, like the right not to be blown up in Syria by remote control, the right not to have immigration forced upon you from the state, you have to give freedom to right wing Islamic preachers to preach bollocks to maintain your own freedom!
So you can call me xenophobic or a whacko, you can make your heart felt plea to help those tragically affected by war and famine but what you can't do is force people to adopt your philosophy.... Believe me I wish I could force everyone to be an environmentalist tomorrow!... History however teaches me that when you've forced them to do it, they tend to bite you on the arse sometime in the future! | |||
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"Have any of them got in their cars yet, or tootled off to the train station? Oh no, still sitting in their comfy arm chairs posting on here to make themselves feel better arn't they. Well I for one have been doing my bit... a couple of weeks ago I gave my Fab account over to a small group of long bearded syrian blokes who said they needed to borrow it. I said they could use it just as long as they didn't post a whole load of crap about God all over the forums... as people would think it was me posting it and confuse me for some god-crazed looney. Nice bunch of fellas... with a very fascinating machette collection "Now don't be naughty, were having a civilised slanging match here that's only bettered by a conversation between the plo and mossad | |||
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"I'd also point out that Jordan has complained about... Safety, there extremely concerned about the section of Syrians coming from areas like Aleppo who could be related in someway to err... Terrorists, you'll laugh at this but even fucking Lebanon has made complaints about syrian terrorists..I know Lebanon lol, there the fucking terrorist capital of the middle East, crazy hey, anyhoo I guess Lebanon and Jordan must be listening to that same biased media who make up this isis bullshit!!...I mean everyone on here knows isis is made up by Tony Blair and George bush?. How can you say EVEN Lebanon? Over the past 50 years they've had every revolutionary or terror group possible operating on their territory. Of course they are scared of terorists - they are the world's leading experts at having had terror groups operating on their territory and some how came through that. There's no magic in that. No surprise. Fuck I hope that our security services can screen 11 people per day. They may have to shorten their tea breaks by 15 seconds. .. Still can't admit that there's a large percentage of Lebanese who are terrorists I see!.. Tell me where did these terrorists in Lebanon come from if they weren't Lebanese.... No don't tell me... Birmingham! "All that history that you know and you seem to have forgotten al Fattah and all the related groups in the Lebanon in the refugee camps before they got to the West Bank. It's strange because I can remember the disgust when the Israelis attacked them. Some may well have come from Birmingham but I suspect more were local to the area. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Or would that be a convenient oversight? The Lebanese have had to put up with terror for decades. You know that. | |||
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"Have any of them got in their cars yet, or tootled off to the train station? Oh no, still sitting in their comfy arm chairs posting on here to make themselves feel better arn't they. Well I for one have been doing my bit... a couple of weeks ago I gave my Fab account over to a small group of long bearded syrian blokes who said they needed to borrow it. I said they could use it just as long as they didn't post a whole load of crap about God all over the forums... as people would think it was me posting it and confuse me for some god-crazed looney. Nice bunch of fellas... with a very fascinating machette collection
Now don't be naughty, were having a civilised slanging match here that's only bettered by a conversation between the plo and mossad "Which are you Mr Ben Gurion? I thought the bearded Syrians were eithe r Santa Claus imitators. or poor misguided magii | |||
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"Slovakia won't take any unless there Christian! Poland have refused, Hungary, Latvia, none of the eastern Europeans want anything to do with any refugees Ireland's talking about taking 200 Japan's taking 11... Yes 11 Australia aren't taking any, Saudi no, Kuwait, no ,Bahrain, no China... Wealthy and large.. Err none Russia none... And there the Syrians biggest supporter (I mean of military equipment )
Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
Still I'm sure there's room for them inside your shed in your green space!
I'm a lily livered, cowardly, do gooder Grauniad reading liberal deliverer of Marxist claptrap according to a compilation of several correspondents' views (oh and a piss taker ;-( ) so I don't give a damn if other countries don't do their bit - the UK can do its share. Our struggles to accommodate 11 Syrians per day are tiny - I don't have a garden shed but I'm sure you'll put a couple of dozen up in your compost digester's plant room as well as your spare room.
I'll leave you to fester with thoughts about Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese - because people are going to love having that as a smoke screen since it's nil relevance to Syrian refugees. I know of one or two who surprisingly are even more xenophobic than you who will enjoy an irrelevant rant. The pleasure about being diametrically opposed to some of your views is that you at least have your own thoughts and reasoning and aren't just chanting some daft political dogma - well not all the time.
Plus you have an infinite supply of snake oil. 413/sq km .
I have concerns about some foreign cultures... If that makes me xenophobic, then so be it!
I've got all sorts of whacky ideas like separation of state and religion, self sustainability which means we stop causing shit in other countries, democratic mass referenda on important issues, freedom from persecution from the state.... And yes when you want freedom from persecution from the state, sometimes you have to defend what you don't like, like the right not to be blown up in Syria by remote control, the right not to have immigration forced upon you from the state, you have to give freedom to right wing Islamic preachers to preach bollocks to maintain your own freedom!
So you can call me xenophobic or a whacko, you can make your heart felt plea to help those tragically affected by war and famine but what you can't do is force people to adopt your philosophy.... Believe me I wish I could force everyone to be an environmentalist tomorrow!... History however teaches me that when you've forced them to do it, they tend to bite you on the arse sometime in the future!"I'd never call you a whacko - that's reserved for someone else. But you are a self confessed xenophobe and I'm sure your arse has plenty of battle scars. | |||
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"Pps it's about as meaningless as saying a third of London has "green bits" as if that somehow indicates space... Those "green bits" are what's known as peoples gardens and national parks... Oh yes, that's just a dandy idea, let's fill in Hyde park with a nice big housing estate... That'll really help Nope - you can keep your land grabbing hands off OUR green spaces. Besides if I take that out of the numbers (47%) then the population density of England is more like 7500 per sq km (well OK of London, excluding its green space.... cos of course that's totally representative of England. So there you are, England's population density is 7400/sq km - we are bursting at the seams they wail (oh aftyer we've excluded all the low population density areas that is). Oh no that's not extreme enough, let's cALL IT 13000/sq km becaue that's about the value for some of the more populated boroughs of London --- look England's bursting at the seams even more. So the short answer is NO you can't take away the green spaces and you're use of 413 /sq km is still snake oil. Mind you , we Londoners enjoy those green spaces - we don't actually often complain about bursting at the seems (of course at least one will now to 'prove' me wrong). That's alot of blabbering! Let's just say that according to wikipedia (who reference from un numbers) The country of England... Is 413 people per sq/km No snake oil needed, no need to look into peoples garden space! It's absolutely meaningless. 413/.sq km is the population density of leafy Maidstone. It's not bursting at the seams. Penrith comes in at a couple of thousand per sq/km. That's smack bang in the middle of the least densely populated area of England (and its in the vastly underpopulated north, population density 220/sq km). It isn't bursting at the seams. Go there... it's rural.. it's lovely and it's population density is FAR higher than your snake oil number. Or perhaps you feel overcrowded there in your 5m by 5m TV room - that's ma population density of 40000/sq km in your very own rural/urban idyll. Make up whatever number you want. Lop off all the inconvenient bits of the country that don't fit your model. Even when you do that all the talk about running out of space and bursting at the seams is rubbish. Bloody snake oil. " He did'nt make it up, he quoted Wikipedia, or did you miss that bit? 
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"I'd also point out that Jordan has complained about... Safety, there extremely concerned about the section of Syrians coming from areas like Aleppo who could be related in someway to err... Terrorists, you'll laugh at this but even fucking Lebanon has made complaints about syrian terrorists..I know Lebanon lol, there the fucking terrorist capital of the middle East, crazy hey, anyhoo I guess Lebanon and Jordan must be listening to that same biased media who make up this isis bullshit!!...I mean everyone on here knows isis is made up by Tony Blair and George bush?. How can you say EVEN Lebanon? Over the past 50 years they've had every revolutionary or terror group possible operating on their territory. Of course they are scared of terorists - they are the world's leading experts at having had terror groups operating on their territory and some how came through that. There's no magic in that. No surprise. Fuck I hope that our security services can screen 11 people per day. They may have to shorten their tea breaks by 15 seconds. .. Still can't admit that there's a large percentage of Lebanese who are terrorists I see!.. Tell me where did these terrorists in Lebanon come from if they weren't Lebanese.... No don't tell me... Birmingham!
All that history that you know and you seem to have forgotten al Fattah and all the related groups in the Lebanon in the refugee camps before they got to the West Bank. It's strange because I can remember the disgust when the Israelis attacked them. Some may well have come from Birmingham but I suspect more were local to the area. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Or would that be a convenient oversight? The Lebanese have had to put up with terror for decades. You know that.". Ahh you mean white man's terror! I can some up in one sentence what's wrong with the middle East... It's fucked up and got fucked up people living in it. The best cure I can offer is, put it back under European rule and brutally crack down on dissenters, you could probably hold it together for another 50 years(if the world has 50 years) after that there'll bite you on the arse or there'll have dropped the bollocks with the good book! What I can honestly tell you is IMO... You'll never ever be able to house the refugees the middle East can create. But good luck trying, it's a noble cause | |||
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"Have any of them got in their cars yet, or tootled off to the train station? Oh no, still sitting in their comfy arm chairs posting on here to make themselves feel better arn't they. Well I for one have been doing my bit... a couple of weeks ago I gave my Fab account over to a small group of long bearded syrian blokes who said they needed to borrow it. I said they could use it just as long as they didn't post a whole load of crap about God all over the forums... as people would think it was me posting it and confuse me for some god-crazed looney. Nice bunch of fellas... with a very fascinating machette collection "Not nice fellas, they used your account to post a whole load of crap about god all over the forum. Press the green arrow next to your name. | |||
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"Pps it's about as meaningless as saying a third of London has "green bits" as if that somehow indicates space... Those "green bits" are what's known as peoples gardens and national parks... Oh yes, that's just a dandy idea, let's fill in Hyde park with a nice big housing estate... That'll really help Nope - you can keep your land grabbing hands off OUR green spaces. Besides if I take that out of the numbers (47%) then the population density of England is more like 7500 per sq km (well OK of London, excluding its green space.... cos of course that's totally representative of England. So there you are, England's population density is 7400/sq km - we are bursting at the seams they wail (oh aftyer we've excluded all the low population density areas that is). Oh no that's not extreme enough, let's cALL IT 13000/sq km becaue that's about the value for some of the more populated boroughs of London --- look England's bursting at the seams even more. So the short answer is NO you can't take away the green spaces and you're use of 413 /sq km is still snake oil. Mind you , we Londoners enjoy those green spaces - we don't actually often complain about bursting at the seems (of course at least one will now to 'prove' me wrong). That's alot of blabbering! Let's just say that according to wikipedia (who reference from un numbers) The country of England... Is 413 people per sq/km No snake oil needed, no need to look into peoples garden space! It's absolutely meaningless. 413/.sq km is the population density of leafy Maidstone. It's not bursting at the seams. Penrith comes in at a couple of thousand per sq/km. That's smack bang in the middle of the least densely populated area of England (and its in the vastly underpopulated north, population density 220/sq km). It isn't bursting at the seams. Go there... it's rural.. it's lovely and it's population density is FAR higher than your snake oil number. Or perhaps you feel overcrowded there in your 5m by 5m TV room - that's ma population density of 40000/sq km in your very own rural/urban idyll. Make up whatever number you want. Lop off all the inconvenient bits of the country that don't fit your model. Even when you do that all the talk about running out of space and bursting at the seams is rubbish. Bloody snake oil. He did'nt make it up, he quoted Wikipedia, or did you miss that bit?
You can go for the world record in saying snake oil the most times in a thread, it won't make your delusion any more real to anyone else. "Actuatly I gave him that number several weeks ago when he got it wrong. The proper source is the ONS. You could go and look that up but it's a bit complicated. I think you may have been drinking some of that snake oil. It's time you had a nap. Good night. | |||
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"Ps.... You make me chuckle, your forever quoting numbers, then you slag off people who quote numbers
He also gives links to websites, and does'nt like it when others give links to websites, lol.
It's not possible to take you seriously - you're a collection of UKIP fact sheets glued together by some tired old links to UKIP propaganda videos and a few smart arsed comments about politicians that you think will upset people. Incidentally it doesn't work on me - I've no affiliation to any politician.
But since you like that game:
How is Farage getting on with his far right and fascist bed fellows in his European grouping? Now what was the name of that woman who spent 42 years as a founder member and leader of the French national front? Oh yes, that's the one they pretend is an independent on their website. Or who was that Polish guy who they got from a party founded by a holocaust denier who believes that rape is impossible and has some very interesting things to say about 'negroes'? Or what about the far right representatives from Scandinavia.
Oh and it was very amusing that you found Goebbels to be a funny name for a Belgian. What a jolly xenophobe.
So please do give an update on your glorious leader's fascist bedfellows"Oh dear someone got out the wrong side of the bed. Anyone would think the pro EU gang lost the purdah vote in the commons last night. | |||
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"Slovakia won't take any unless there Christian! Poland have refused, Hungary, Latvia, none of the eastern Europeans want anything to do with any refugees Ireland's talking about taking 200 Japan's taking 11... Yes 11 Australia aren't taking any, Saudi no, Kuwait, no ,Bahrain, no China... Wealthy and large.. Err none Russia none... And there the Syrians biggest supporter (I mean of military equipment )
Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
Still I'm sure there's room for them inside your shed in your green space!
I'm a lily livered, cowardly, do gooder Grauniad reading liberal deliverer of Marxist claptrap according to a compilation of several correspondents' views (oh and a piss taker ;-( ) so I don't give a damn if other countries don't do their bit - the UK can do its share. Our struggles to accommodate 11 Syrians per day are tiny - I don't have a garden shed but I'm sure you'll put a couple of dozen up in your compost digester's plant room as well as your spare room.
I'll leave you to fester with thoughts about Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese - because people are going to love having that as a smoke screen since it's nil relevance to Syrian refugees. I know of one or two who surprisingly are even more xenophobic than you who will enjoy an irrelevant rant. The pleasure about being diametrically opposed to some of your views is that you at least have your own thoughts and reasoning and aren't just chanting some daft political dogma - well not all the time.
Plus you have an infinite supply of snake oil. 413/sq km .
I have concerns about some foreign cultures... If that makes me xenophobic, then so be it!
I've got all sorts of whacky ideas like separation of state and religion, self sustainability which means we stop causing shit in other countries, democratic mass referenda on important issues, freedom from persecution from the state.... And yes when you want freedom from persecution from the state, sometimes you have to defend what you don't like, like the right not to be blown up in Syria by remote control, the right not to have immigration forced upon you from the state, you have to give freedom to right wing Islamic preachers to preach bollocks to maintain your own freedom!
So you can call me xenophobic or a whacko, you can make your heart felt plea to help those tragically affected by war and famine but what you can't do is force people to adopt your philosophy.... Believe me I wish I could force everyone to be an environmentalist tomorrow!... History however teaches me that when you've forced them to do it, they tend to bite you on the arse sometime in the future!
I'd never call you a whacko - that's reserved for someone else. But you are a self confessed xenophobe and I'm sure your arse has plenty of battle scars.". Everyone's got xenophobic philosophy built into them, it's called evolution by practise.... Oh look strangers, I wonder if they've come bearing great gifts for me.... Oh no they've come bearing machetes and want my harvest! Yeah immigrants there such a peaceful just wanna get along bunch No idea what went wrong with the Portuguese to south America The Europeans to north America The Europeans to Africa The Jews to Palestine The Mongols to the Europeans The Europeans to the middle East The Romans to the Europeans The British to south Africa, India, Australia The Turks to etc etc You get the point, immigration hasn't got the best of outcomes for the indigenous population throughout history! Hope for the best by all means! But don't forgot to plan for the worst! Did I mention Scousers to everywhere. Ho be ho  | |||
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"Ps.... You make me chuckle, your forever quoting numbers, then you slag off people who quote numbers
He also gives links to websites, and does'nt like it when others give links to websites, lol.
It's not possible to take you seriously - you're a collection of UKIP fact sheets glued together by some tired old links to UKIP propaganda videos and a few smart arsed comments about politicians that you think will upset people. Incidentally it doesn't work on me - I've no affiliation to any politician.
But since you like that game:
How is Farage getting on with his far right and fascist bed fellows in his European grouping? Now what was the name of that woman who spent 42 years as a founder member and leader of the French national front? Oh yes, that's the one they pretend is an independent on their website. Or who was that Polish guy who they got from a party founded by a holocaust denier who believes that rape is impossible and has some very interesting things to say about 'negroes'? Or what about the far right representatives from Scandinavia.
Oh and it was very amusing that you found Goebbels to be a funny name for a Belgian. What a jolly xenophobe.
So please do give an update on your glorious leader's fascist bedfellows
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? Hw is it an Islamic problem. There armed n funded by America. Israel m us. They've attacked nearly every islamic country in the region. But u'll notice they never attack any British. US or israeli interests. Do u not find that a bit peculiar, considering there trying to protect all muslims n kill all infidels." . There not trying to protect all Muslims, there trying to kill all the Shia's and install the caliphate back.... They've already said there not interested in Israel or the west, they want to be left alone to kill millions of shia Muslims!. If there funded and armed by anyone it's Saudi Arabia, albeit with western political backing | |||
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"Have any of them got in their cars yet, or tootled off to the train station? Oh no, still sitting in their comfy arm chairs posting on here to make themselves feel better arn't they. Well I for one have been doing my bit... a couple of weeks ago I gave my Fab account over to a small group of long bearded syrian blokes who said they needed to borrow it. I said they could use it just as long as they didn't post a whole load of crap about God all over the forums... as people would think it was me posting it and confuse me for some god-crazed looney. Nice bunch of fellas... with a very fascinating machette collection
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"I just feel sad that my great grandchildren will be likely to be attending a mosque and all that entails. In 50 or so years this will be a Muslim country. The birth rate will do that never mind the refugees. " | |||
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"Where does Allah stand on the Syrian crisis?" I think generally he is against violence and pro charity. But he gave mankind freewill and shakes his head at how they have chosen to use it. Glad I could help.
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? Were does jesus!" Jesus doesn't as he is a fictional character . whereas Allah is a real proper up in the sky God | |||
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"I am pretty sure that as Allah is the same God as the Christian one, for those who believe in God and understand the Abrahamic faiths. For those who believe the answer is that God gave free will to mankind. " Without question all the same entity Jesus is accepted as a profit in Islam and he was Jewish let's not forget so in essence all the same thing, I once got it put to me by a Muslim guy as the Torah/Tanakh, the bible and the Koran as intruction manuals just updated versions of the previous | |||
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"I am pretty sure that as Allah is the same God as the Christian one, for those who believe in God and understand the Abrahamic faiths. For those who believe the answer is that God gave free will to mankind. Without question all the same entity Jesus is accepted as a profit in Islam and he was Jewish let's not forget so in essence all the same thing, I once got it put to me by a Muslim guy as the Torah/Tanakh, the bible and the Koran as intruction manuals just updated versions of the previous " Different revisions of the same instruction manual in the management and control of the uneducated populations while raising taxes and keeping the educated in power , | |||
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"Turkey and Jordan are groaning at the seams from the amount of refugees they've taken in. But what of the UAE and the like? Nations with massive wealth, but apparently no desire to help their own..." They are not "their own." There is no easy answer because of the factional splits in the religion. Religion is more important than life and death in many Middle Eastern countries and the risks of further factional strife is very, very real. Many people ask why Saudi is not doing more and the answer is simple. Saudi is predominantly a Sunni country. The main protagonists in Syria, Iraq and Libya are Sunni extremists. Why would Shia/Alawite/Kurdish muslims, christians or any other minority head in the direction of a Sunni country? There is a good article about this on the BBC website. | |||
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"I just feel sad that my great grandchildren will be likely to be attending a mosque and all that entails. In 50 or so years this will be a Muslim country. The birth rate will do that never mind the refugees. " You best put some clothes on then..they dont allow naturism | |||
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"Turkey and Jordan are groaning at the seams from the amount of refugees they've taken in. But what of the UAE and the like? Nations with massive wealth, but apparently no desire to help their own... They are not "their own." There is no easy answer because of the factional splits in the religion. Religion is more important than life and death in many Middle Eastern countries and the risks of further factional strife is very, very real. Many people ask why Saudi is not doing more and the answer is simple. Saudi is predominantly a Sunni country. The main protagonists in Syria, Iraq and Libya are Sunni extremists. Why would Shia/Alawite/Kurdish muslims, christians or any other minority head in the direction of a Sunni country? There is a good article about this on the BBC website. " Sorry, as you said in another thread, I am clearly a revise... A fractured religion is not the issue, the issue is hundreds of thousands of FAKE Muslims who don't follow the basic tenants of there own religion to respect women, turn away from greed and respect their god. Instead they rape, pillage and amass wealth. | |||
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"So it all started with a few old story's passed down mostly by word of mouth that some old geezer with a white beard was sitting on a cloud looking out over everyone. Over the years they gave him various names God, Allah, Jehovah Etc. and the powers that be (or was) thought "hey we can use this old bloke as a way of controlling everybody" (they hadn't got around to benefits in those days) Anyway life went on for a few hundred years and various invaders turned up and a few wars were fought until a particularly nasty bunch of Italians turned up and started nailing the locals to crosses. Well I can tell you, this really pissed them off but most of them (having a strong self preservation instinct) were too shit scared to do much about it. Until one day a bloke who looked like a leftover from Woodstock started prattling on about the meek inheriting the earth (not quite sure who's will it was written in but the lawyers would have had a field day with that one) turning water into wine and generally pissing off the Italians. True to form, they nailed his arse to a cross but then some daft bugger cut him down early, tucked him up in a cave, stuffed some smelling salts under his nose and told him to leg it up the road to Damascus. While he was having it on his toes he bumped into a bloke called Paul. Paul was one of his old mates who had also legged it up the road before the Italians could do the same to him. Paul however wasn't in on the scam and thought his old mate had died on the cross, had never heard of smelling salts, and thought it was a sign from God and this bloke must really be his son. Anyway it all went quiet and the Italians were quite pleased with themselves for a while and spent a few hundred years getting pissed, holding orgies, raping, pillaging, and nailing anyone they didn't like to a cross or feeding them to their pet lions. Problem was they had forgotten about the bloke they crucified in Judea and now he had quite a following who had listened to the Paul bloke and were gullible enough to think he really was the son of God. Eventually (like most idiot ideas) this thinking became mainstream and even the big boss of the Italians believed it and told all his subjects to believe the same or get a sword up your arse. So now fast forward a few years. In Mecca there was a bloke who had heard about all this and was getting a bit bored with just being a merchant and wondered if he could do the same and leave a mark on history. In some ways the two of them looked alike as in both looking like Woodstock leftovers, just that this guy had just come out of the shower block and left the towel around his head. After some thought he decided that the best way forward would be to bugger off up a mountain for a week or two and come back down telling everyone that God had spoken to him. This he did but was quite shocked to find that most of his fellow townsfolk thought he was talking bollocks and ran him out of town. Believe me, he was fuming and thought "I'll have those bastards" and he did. He raised an army conquered the place then set about smashing up anything that he didn't like the look of. This he repeated in various towns and city's for the next few years until he finally snuffed it. In the century's that followed millions of men women and children have been murdered in the name of one or the other of these two. A bit like football hooliganism on steroids. Instead of UNITED! CITY! it was MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD. Some even put it to music a bit like Ooh ah Cantona and the like. So here we are in 2015 we've been to the moon and put spaceships on Mars. We'have motor cars, telephones and the internet. We can fly around the world in a few hours. AND STILL WE BELIEVE THIS SHIT!" Brilliantly well said | |||
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"Slovakia won't take any unless there Christian! Poland have refused, Hungary, Latvia, none of the eastern Europeans want anything to do with any refugees Ireland's talking about taking 200 Japan's taking 11... Yes 11 Australia aren't taking any, Saudi no, Kuwait, no ,Bahrain, no China... Wealthy and large.. Err none Russia none... And there the Syrians biggest supporter (I mean of military equipment )
Great Britain, puny Britain... It's all bollocks the talk of empires, which funnily enough is probably the main reason of why things are like they are!.
Your right about one figure, the UK is giving one billon to help 4 million Syrian refugees, that's £250 per person and isn't enough!
That of course doesn't help the Afghans, Eritreans, Somalia's, Iraqis, Vietnamese etc etc
Still I'm sure there's room for them inside your shed in your green space!"just to correct something in this thread.... australia have said they will take 10,000 | |||
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"http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees" It could be 4000 it could be 40,000 or maybe 400 or 40. Who knows? but one is one too many. When the attacks start, which they surely will, I hope a lot of the supporters of unfettered migration will take a long hard look at themselves. Just wait he said. The only question is where and when? | |||
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"So it all started with a few old story's passed down mostly by word of mouth that some old geezer with a white beard was sitting on a cloud looking out over everyone. Over the years they gave him various names God, Allah, Jehovah Etc. and the powers that be (or was) thought "hey we can use this old bloke as a way of controlling everybody" (they hadn't got around to benefits in those days) Anyway life went on for a few hundred years and various invaders turned up and a few wars were fought until a particularly nasty bunch of Italians turned up and started nailing the locals to crosses. Well I can tell you, this really pissed them off but most of them (having a strong self preservation instinct) were too shit scared to do much about it. Until one day a bloke who looked like a leftover from Woodstock started prattling on about the meek inheriting the earth (not quite sure who's will it was written in but the lawyers would have had a field day with that one) turning water into wine and generally pissing off the Italians. True to form, they nailed his arse to a cross but then some daft bugger cut him down early, tucked him up in a cave, stuffed some smelling salts under his nose and told him to leg it up the road to Damascus. While he was having it on his toes he bumped into a bloke called Paul. Paul was one of his old mates who had also legged it up the road before the Italians could do the same to him. Paul however wasn't in on the scam and thought his old mate had died on the cross, had never heard of smelling salts, and thought it was a sign from God and this bloke must really be his son. Anyway it all went quiet and the Italians were quite pleased with themselves for a while and spent a few hundred years getting pissed, holding orgies, raping, pillaging, and nailing anyone they didn't like to a cross or feeding them to their pet lions. Problem was they had forgotten about the bloke they crucified in Judea and now he had quite a following who had listened to the Paul bloke and were gullible enough to think he really was the son of God. Eventually (like most idiot ideas) this thinking became mainstream and even the big boss of the Italians believed it and told all his subjects to believe the same or get a sword up your arse. So now fast forward a few years. In Mecca there was a bloke who had heard about all this and was getting a bit bored with just being a merchant and wondered if he could do the same and leave a mark on history. In some ways the two of them looked alike as in both looking like Woodstock leftovers, just that this guy had just come out of the shower block and left the towel around his head. After some thought he decided that the best way forward would be to bugger off up a mountain for a week or two and come back down telling everyone that God had spoken to him. This he did but was quite shocked to find that most of his fellow townsfolk thought he was talking bollocks and ran him out of town. Believe me, he was fuming and thought "I'll have those bastards" and he did. He raised an army conquered the place then set about smashing up anything that he didn't like the look of. This he repeated in various towns and city's for the next few years until he finally snuffed it. In the century's that followed millions of men women and children have been murdered in the name of one or the other of these two. A bit like football hooliganism on steroids. Instead of UNITED! CITY! it was MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD. Some even put it to music a bit like Ooh ah Cantona and the like. So here we are in 2015 we've been to the moon and put spaceships on Mars. We'have motor cars, telephones and the internet. We can fly around the world in a few hours. AND STILL WE BELIEVE THIS SHIT!" No, we don't. | |||
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"So it all started with a few old story's passed down mostly by word of mouth that some old geezer with a white beard was sitting on a cloud looking out over everyone. Over the years they gave him various names God, Allah, Jehovah Etc. and the powers that be (or was) thought "hey we can use this old bloke as a way of controlling everybody" (they hadn't got around to benefits in those days) Anyway life went on for a few hundred years and various invaders turned up and a few wars were fought until a particularly nasty bunch of Italians turned up and started nailing the locals to crosses. Well I can tell you, this really pissed them off but most of them (having a strong self preservation instinct) were too shit scared to do much about it. Until one day a bloke who looked like a leftover from Woodstock started prattling on about the meek inheriting the earth (not quite sure who's will it was written in but the lawyers would have had a field day with that one) turning water into wine and generally pissing off the Italians. True to form, they nailed his arse to a cross but then some daft bugger cut him down early, tucked him up in a cave, stuffed some smelling salts under his nose and told him to leg it up the road to Damascus. While he was having it on his toes he bumped into a bloke called Paul. Paul was one of his old mates who had also legged it up the road before the Italians could do the same to him. Paul however wasn't in on the scam and thought his old mate had died on the cross, had never heard of smelling salts, and thought it was a sign from God and this bloke must really be his son. Anyway it all went quiet and the Italians were quite pleased with themselves for a while and spent a few hundred years getting pissed, holding orgies, raping, pillaging, and nailing anyone they didn't like to a cross or feeding them to their pet lions. Problem was they had forgotten about the bloke they crucified in Judea and now he had quite a following who had listened to the Paul bloke and were gullible enough to think he really was the son of God. Eventually (like most idiot ideas) this thinking became mainstream and even the big boss of the Italians believed it and told all his subjects to believe the same or get a sword up your arse. So now fast forward a few years. In Mecca there was a bloke who had heard about all this and was getting a bit bored with just being a merchant and wondered if he could do the same and leave a mark on history. In some ways the two of them looked alike as in both looking like Woodstock leftovers, just that this guy had just come out of the shower block and left the towel around his head. After some thought he decided that the best way forward would be to bugger off up a mountain for a week or two and come back down telling everyone that God had spoken to him. This he did but was quite shocked to find that most of his fellow townsfolk thought he was talking bollocks and ran him out of town. Believe me, he was fuming and thought "I'll have those bastards" and he did. He raised an army conquered the place then set about smashing up anything that he didn't like the look of. This he repeated in various towns and city's for the next few years until he finally snuffed it. In the century's that followed millions of men women and children have been murdered in the name of one or the other of these two. A bit like football hooliganism on steroids. Instead of UNITED! CITY! it was MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD. Some even put it to music a bit like Ooh ah Cantona and the like. So here we are in 2015 we've been to the moon and put spaceships on Mars. We'have motor cars, telephones and the internet. We can fly around the world in a few hours. AND STILL WE BELIEVE THIS SHIT! No, we don't." Neither do I but far too many do. | |||
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"So it all started with a few old story's passed down mostly by word of mouth that some old geezer with a white beard was sitting on a cloud looking out over everyone. AND STILL WE BELIEVE THIS SHIT! No, we don't. Neither do I but far too many do. "To be fair I think we can safely say that absolutely no-one, not even Theists, believe that shit
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"So it all started with a few old story's passed down mostly by word of mouth that some old geezer with a white beard was sitting on a cloud looking out over everyone. AND STILL WE BELIEVE THIS SHIT! No, we don't. Neither do I but far too many do.
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"http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees It could be 4000 it could be 40,000 or maybe 400 or 40. Who knows? but one is one too many. When the attacks start, which they surely will, I hope a lot of the supporters of unfettered migration will take a long hard look at themselves. Just wait he said. The only question is where and when?" Drop a Sunni into a cafe full of Shia's or Alawites and place bets on how long it would take for the Sunni to be outed... Congratulations you have well and truly taken the bait and swallowed it, the hook, the line and the sinker as well. Terrorist propaganda certainly works on you. There is as probably a significantly greater chance of willing IS fighters emerging from the many Sunni hotbeds in the cities towns and villages of the United Kingdom. | |||
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"http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees It could be 4000 it could be 40,000 or maybe 400 or 40. Who knows? but one is one too many. When the attacks start, which they surely will, I hope a lot of the supporters of unfettered migration will take a long hard look at themselves. Just wait he said. The only question is where and when? Drop a Sunni into a cafe full of Shia's or Alawites and place bets on how long it would take for the Sunni to be outed... Congratulations you have well and truly taken the bait and swallowed it, the hook, the line and the sinker as well. Terrorist propaganda certainly works on you. There is as probably a significantly greater chance of willing IS fighters emerging from the many Sunni hotbeds in the cities towns and villages of the United Kingdom." So you think that there are no ISIS fighters hidden among the migrants? None? Not one? You think that all the Muslim migrants are exclusively Shia or Alawis? I am an Atheist who was brought up as a Protestant but I'm damn sure I could pass as a Catholic if I had to or wanted to. I don't believe his 4000 number. I think like many other figures it is plucked from thin air, but I do believe there are some ISIS mixed in with the migrants. As I said before one is one too many. I would however agree with your last paragraph. | |||
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I wonder if there is "Up a Rent a tent" website for people to peek under the burhha. Do you think occasionally someone does a Marilyn Monroe just for the hell of it and goes and stands over a grid. I would.
Seriously people. Why all the debate about whether they could or should be allowed to stay here/there or wherever. I'd be on the first bus out if I'd had access to social media in the past and realized there was a wonderful freer world out there somewhere and I now had a slim chance to go there. I'd leave my family behind too, Make sure it was safe to be there and then see if I could get my family to follow after once I'd sussed it out. Surely that is what is going on.
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"If I lived in a country where women either willingly dressed up in black rent a tent or were made to, I think I'd want to leave. Especially if I thought there was somewhere clapping and cheering when I arrived. It must be awful to be there
I wonder if there is "Up a Rent a tent" website for people to peek under the burhha. Do you think occasionally someone does a Marilyn Monroe just for the hell of it and goes and stands over a grid. I would.
Seriously people. Why all the debate about whether they could or should be allowed to stay here/there or wherever. I'd be on the first bus out if I'd had access to social media in the past and realized there was a wonderful freer world out there somewhere and I now had a slim chance to go there. I'd leave my family behind too, Make sure it was safe to be there and then see if I could get my family to follow after once I'd sussed it out. Surely that is what is going on.
"Then you have women who are making the conscious decision to leave the UK and travel to Syria because they want to live in a strict Islamic state that is defined solely on its interpretation of Islam. Remember that many, many women who brought in to the UK for arranged marriages arrived from remote places in Pakistan where they were brought up under Islamic law and probably had no education or exposure to anything other than daily prayer and the preparation to be a good Muslim wife. For women like this, the UK is not the free and liberated paradise that we know it to be and the opportunity to go back to a strict and controlled culture is appealing.... to them. | |||
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"Yes it is . Doesn't seem to be the Islamic thing to do though lol Every Islamic charity I can think of is doing their bit - including me - maybe you should get off your backside and do something constructive with your life " maybe he's worried they'll come over here and start telling us how to live | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind!" I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. " Good answer and probably near the truth too | |||
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"If I lived in a country where women either willingly dressed up in black rent a tent or were made to, I think I'd want to leave. Especially if I thought there was somewhere clapping and cheering when I arrived. It must be awful to be there
I wonder if there is "Up a Rent a tent" website for people to peek under the burhha. Do you think occasionally someone does a Marilyn Monroe just for the hell of it and goes and stands over a grid. I would.
Seriously people. Why all the debate about whether they could or should be allowed to stay here/there or wherever. I'd be on the first bus out if I'd had access to social media in the past and realized there was a wonderful freer world out there somewhere and I now had a slim chance to go there. I'd leave my family behind too, Make sure it was safe to be there and then see if I could get my family to follow after once I'd sussed it out. Surely that is what is going on.
Then you have women who are making the conscious decision to leave the UK and travel to Syria because they want to live in a strict Islamic state that is defined solely on its interpretation of Islam.
Remember that many, many women who brought in to the UK for arranged marriages arrived from remote places in Pakistan where they were brought up under Islamic law and probably had no education or exposure to anything other than daily prayer and the preparation to be a good Muslim wife. For women like this, the UK is not the free and liberated paradise that we know it to be and the opportunity to go back to a strict and controlled culture is appealing.... to them."Such people should be allowed to go to Syria to live under isis if that is what they want, but if they go remove their British citizenship and take away their British passport so they can never come back. I'm sure there are many desperate women and children who are eager to take their place here in the uk from the refugee camps in Turkey and the surrounding countries. | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. " Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day. | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day." Including the camps in Jordan and Lebanon you are probably right. However open your eyes and look at what is coming into Europe. While there are some women and children the vast, no overwhelming, majority are young single men. You do often criticise statistics on here and if ever there were dodgy ones used to prove a point the above would be a perfect example. | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day. Including the camps in Jordan and Lebanon you are probably right. However open your eyes and look at what is coming into Europe. While there are some women and children the vast, no overwhelming, majority are young single men. You do often criticise statistics on here and if ever there were dodgy ones used to prove a point the above would be a perfect example." The only reason you could think they are dodgy is because they disprove that nasty little work of fiction that started 'listen love'. What they show is that people displaced out of Syria into refugee camps are almost equal by gender. You were saying that men were leaving their families behind to suffer. The actual numbers show that to be at kindest misleading propaganda. The numbers come from the unhcr working in the refugee camps. They are people who could be reasonably expected to know what they are talking about and aren't biased assessments made up by people sitting in armchairs hundreds of miles away from a few news photos. Your little story was malicious at best though I'm sure plenty will swallow it and feel smug and self satisfied by that. Others here have explained to you why people might leave their families behind in camps while they go to find somewhere better. You even try to belittle that as just walking for a few weeks. Try walking for a few weeks while you are treated as prey by people smugglers and bandits and beaten with batons by policemen and other officials - if you had any concept of that you would show compassion. But you don't. Now the sickest joke of all in this is that in one case where a father took his children and wife with him and they died you make cheap comments about his teeth. The poor bastards would get shit from you whether they take their families with them or not. I would say 'you can't make this stuff up'. But you did. | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day. Including the camps in Jordan and Lebanon you are probably right. However open your eyes and look at what is coming into Europe. While there are some women and children the vast, no overwhelming, majority are young single men. You do often criticise statistics on here and if ever there were dodgy ones used to prove a point the above would be a perfect example. The only reason you could think they are dodgy is because they disprove that nasty little work of fiction that started 'listen love'. What they show is that people displaced out of Syria into refugee camps are almost equal by gender. You were saying that men were leaving their families behind to suffer. The actual numbers show that to be at kindest misleading propaganda. The numbers come from the unhcr working in the refugee camps. They are people who could be reasonably expected to know what they are talking about and aren't biased assessments made up by people sitting in armchairs hundreds of miles away from a few news photos. Your little story was malicious at best though I'm sure plenty will swallow it and feel smug and self satisfied by that. Others here have explained to you why people might leave their families behind in camps while they go to find somewhere better. You even try to belittle that as just walking for a few weeks. Try walking for a few weeks while you are treated as prey by people smugglers and bandits and beaten with batons by policemen and other officials - if you had any concept of that you would show compassion. But you don't. Now the sickest joke of all in this is that in one case where a father took his children and wife with him and they died you make cheap comments about his teeth. The poor bastards would get shit from you whether they take their families with them or not. I would say 'you can't make this stuff up'. But you did. " The emotion that is flowing through you came through in this post | |||
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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day. Including the camps in Jordan and Lebanon you are probably right. However open your eyes and look at what is coming into Europe. While there are some women and children the vast, no overwhelming, majority are young single men. You do often criticise statistics on here and if ever there were dodgy ones used to prove a point the above would be a perfect example. The only reason you could think they are dodgy is because they disprove that nasty little work of fiction that started 'listen love'. What they show is that people displaced out of Syria into refugee camps are almost equal by gender. You were saying that men were leaving their families behind to suffer. The actual numbers show that to be at kindest misleading propaganda. The numbers come from the unhcr working in the refugee camps. They are people who could be reasonably expected to know what they are talking about and aren't biased assessments made up by people sitting in armchairs hundreds of miles away from a few news photos. Your little story was malicious at best though I'm sure plenty will swallow it and feel smug and self satisfied by that. Others here have explained to you why people might leave their families behind in camps while they go to find somewhere better. You even try to belittle that as just walking for a few weeks. Try walking for a few weeks while you are treated as prey by people smugglers and bandits and beaten with batons by policemen and other officials - if you had any concept of that you would show compassion. But you don't. Now the sickest joke of all in this is that in one case where a father took his children and wife with him and they died you make cheap comments about his teeth. The poor bastards would get shit from you whether they take their families with them or not. I would say 'you can't make this stuff up'. But you did. " Firstly the story about the teeth was not made up. It has been well documented by news reports in several country's. Of course my other little story was made up to illustrate what I believe and see, yes see, not just on news reports, but with my own eyes here in Germany. Our town has had to take over 1000 migrants, most of whom are being temporarily housed in a couple of closed down schools. Yes there are a few families in there but the overwhelming majority are young single men. I look at the columns of migrants marching through Hungary and while Sky News, the BBC. and even some (thankfully not all) of the German channels like to focus on a few women and kids, take a look in the background. Again the vast majority are young men. I watched the local news report yesterday about the temporary closure of the border between Denmark and Germany which showed hundreds making their way through (but refusing to register in) Denmark to get to Sweden. Again the vast majority were young men. Yes your numbers come from UNHCR working in the camps and as I said in my earlier post I wouldn't dispute them. But that is in the camps, not on the road in Europe. Another big question that nobody seems to want to ask is how many of these are genuine Syrians? I was checking some figures and came across some interesting statistics from the German government. Of just over 37,000 asylum applications in July this year 9,400 were Syrians, but over 7,000 were from Albania and over 6,000 from the former Yugoslavia. Since when was that region at war again? Since when was Albania "unsafe" A poverty stricken shit hole yes but this is a country aspiring to become an EU member. Link below if you don't believe it. As I have said many times on here I'm more than happy for the EU including Britain to take genuine refugees. More help must be given to Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan to not only improve conditions in the camps but to help with resettlement. However allowing tens if not hundreds of thousands of mostly young men (some from Syria, others from who knows where?) to tramp across Europe to get to the country THEY want is wrong and a recipe for disaster. 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"Not sure whether this has been mentioned I know the amount of refugees seeking asylum big 95% young men has. Where do you think they've left their families, wives and children? Back home to be slaughtered, raped etc. It's them I feel bloody sorry for the ones that's been left behind! I think it goes something like this. (translated from Arabic) "Listen love, I've got a good idea. Let me take our life savings and I'll go to Britain/Germany/Sweden and they will give me a house/flat and lots of money. In the meantime you keep your head down and your Burka on and don't let the kids play with guns (not yet anyway) When I've got myself sorted among the infidels I'll tell them it's my human right for my family to come and join me. If you haven't been beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high building by that time I will send for you and the kids and we will all live happily ever after" After a few weeks on the road he turns up in Britain/Germany/Sweden Joins FAB or local equivalent and forgets all about wife and kids. Cynical? Maybe. But I'll bet there are a few families stuck in Syria who would know that or a very similar story. Yes it's very very cynical and probably should be in the stories section if there is one for poor propaganda. Anyone with an interest in a more balanced view could look at the demographics of the refugee camps published by the UNHCR. As of today for 4.088 million refugees in camps out side of Syria: Age group % male % female 0-4 ------------ 9.1------------ 8.6 5-11 ----------- 10.7----------- 10.1 12-17----------- 6.5----------- 6.1 18-59----------- 21.8----------- 23.9 60+ ----------- 1.3 ----------- 1.7 These are the camps outside Syria where YOU say people are safe. Do you notice anything about the numbers, like 21.8% in the 18-59 age range are male and 23.9% are female? It sounds to me like your average Syrian has left the country pretty much with his family and hasn't left his wife and children to be beheaded/crucified/gang raped/chucked off high buildings. I think I'll choose to believe facts from the UN over some disturbed and distasteful fantasy world disseminated on FAB any day. Including the camps in Jordan and Lebanon you are probably right. However open your eyes and look at what is coming into Europe. While there are some women and children the vast, no overwhelming, majority are young single men. You do often criticise statistics on here and if ever there were dodgy ones used to prove a point the above would be a perfect example. The only reason you could think they are dodgy is because they disprove that nasty little work of fiction that started 'listen love'. What they show is that people displaced out of Syria into refugee camps are almost equal by gender. You were saying that men were leaving their families behind to suffer. The actual numbers show that to be at kindest misleading propaganda. The numbers come from the unhcr working in the refugee camps. They are people who could be reasonably expected to know what they are talking about and aren't biased assessments made up by people sitting in armchairs hundreds of miles away from a few news photos. Your little story was malicious at best though I'm sure plenty will swallow it and feel smug and self satisfied by that. Others here have explained to you why people might leave their families behind in camps while they go to find somewhere better. You even try to belittle that as just walking for a few weeks. Try walking for a few weeks while you are treated as prey by people smugglers and bandits and beaten with batons by policemen and other officials - if you had any concept of that you would show compassion. But you don't. Now the sickest joke of all in this is that in one case where a father took his children and wife with him and they died you make cheap comments about his teeth. The poor bastards would get shit from you whether they take their families with them or not. I would say 'you can't make this stuff up'. But you did. " Well said. | |||
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"There is plenty of Room in Saudi and they even have a tented city where the Empty tents have all mod cons,air conditioning etc,but still even they will not take in fellow moslems much rather prefering to see them flood into an already overcrowded Europe!,although Saudis say they will help to finance the building of 200 Mosques in Germany. Why leave all those 1000s of tents empty when they could be sheltering fellow moslems?." Syria is way more Westernised than Saudi Arabia. It is highly unlikely that anyone fleeing oppression in Syria would want to flee to somewhere that is even worse than the place they have left, in terms of persecution. Not all 'moslems' are the same, you know. | |||
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"There is plenty of Room in Saudi and they even have a tented city where the Empty tents have all mod cons,air conditioning etc,but still even they will not take in fellow moslems much rather prefering to see them flood into an already overcrowded Europe!,although Saudis say they will help to finance the building of 200 Mosques in Germany. Why leave all those 1000s of tents empty when they could be sheltering fellow moslems?." The answer is politics and religion. The rulers of Saudi Arabia are Sunni's. The majority of refugees from Syria are Shia or Alawis. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran have been involved in something akin to a "cold war" pretty much since the fall of the Shah about who will be the dominant influence in the area. In Syria Assad and his supporters are Alawis which is a branch of Shia Islam and his government (and that of his father) were always closer to Iran than Saudi Arabia. ISIS are Sunni and it is widely believed that it is in the Saudi's interests to destabilise Syria and Iraq and it is also widely believed that they are covertly supporting ISIS. The Saudi's have no love for the Shia and are currently fighting a Shia insurgency in Yemen. They certainly wouldn't want any significant number of Shia refugees within their own borders. | |||
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"Wonder how we will feel when the first one breaks the law walks out of court a free man because he can not be sent back because there,s a threat to his life " How should we feel when someone is found innocent of a crime in court and is freed? I would be feeling that I live in a country that respects the rule of law. | |||
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"Wonder how we will feel when the first one breaks the law walks out of court a free man because he can not be sent back because there,s a threat to his life " A question for our finest legal minds to consider at length. | |||
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" To quote you before on the other thread.... "like I give a fuck" " You need to lay off the snake oil for a few days - it seems to be turning you into a bitter old man. | |||
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" To quote you before on the other thread.... "like I give a fuck" You need to lay off the snake oil for a few days - it seems to be turning you into a bitter old man." . Ha you obviously didn't read the thread! The level of Hypocrisy is astounding | |||
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" To quote you before on the other thread.... "like I give a fuck" You need to lay off the snake oil for a few days - it seems to be turning you into a bitter old man.. Ha you obviously didn't read the thread! The level of Hypocrisy is astounding" So many threads, so little time - I'm not getting any younger you know and am no stranger to snake oil myself. | |||
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" To quote you before on the other thread.... "like I give a fuck" You need to lay off the snake oil for a few days - it seems to be turning you into a bitter old man.. Ha you obviously didn't read the thread! The level of Hypocrisy is astounding So many threads, so little time - I'm not getting any younger you know and am no stranger to snake oil myself." Got to love a bit of snake oil | |||
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"The local 5 countries have taken in around 3 million. The Lebanon has taken a million and they only had 4 million to start with so a 25% increase. Just because you're not aware of it, it doesn't mean it's not happening. Most neighboring countries have massive schemes set up to handle them. A very few are venturing towards Europe, relatively speaking. So us wringing our hands about 20k is pretty petty really." They're not 'taking in' millions, they're putting them in camps, in the middle of nowhere, and relying on funding and aid from other countries to help them do this. As has previously been said, they have to stay in the camps, and are not allowed to work. Is that what you want us to do? | |||
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"There is plenty of Room in Saudi and they even have a tented city where the Empty tents have all mod cons,air conditioning etc,but still even they will not take in fellow moslems much rather prefering to see them flood into an already overcrowded Europe!,although Saudis say they will help to finance the building of 200 Mosques in Germany. Why leave all those 1000s of tents empty when they could be sheltering fellow moslems?. The answer is politics and religion. The rulers of Saudi Arabia are Sunni's. The majority of refugees from Syria are Shia or Alawis. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran have been involved in something akin to a "cold war" pretty much since the fall of the Shah about who will be the dominant influence in the area. In Syria Assad and his supporters are Alawis which is a branch of Shia Islam and his government (and that of his father) were always closer to Iran than Saudi Arabia. ISIS are Sunni and it is widely believed that it is in the Saudi's interests to destabilise Syria and Iraq and it is also widely believed that they are covertly supporting ISIS. The Saudi's have no love for the Shia and are currently fighting a Shia insurgency in Yemen. They certainly wouldn't want any significant number of Shia refugees within their own borders. " I for one found that a really helpful summary of what's going on there. Regionally it's a mess and we're now having to pick up the pieces. | |||
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"There is plenty of Room in Saudi and they even have a tented city where the Empty tents have all mod cons,air conditioning etc,but still even they will not take in fellow moslems much rather prefering to see them flood into an already overcrowded Europe!,although Saudis say they will help to finance the building of 200 Mosques in Germany. Why leave all those 1000s of tents empty when they could be sheltering fellow moslems?. The answer is politics and religion. The rulers of Saudi Arabia are Sunni's. The majority of refugees from Syria are Shia or Alawis. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran have been involved in something akin to a "cold war" pretty much since the fall of the Shah about who will be the dominant influence in the area. In Syria Assad and his supporters are Alawis which is a branch of Shia Islam and his government (and that of his father) were always closer to Iran than Saudi Arabia. ISIS are Sunni and it is widely believed that it is in the Saudi's interests to destabilise Syria and Iraq and it is also widely believed that they are covertly supporting ISIS. The Saudi's have no love for the Shia and are currently fighting a Shia insurgency in Yemen. They certainly wouldn't want any significant number of Shia refugees within their own borders. I for one found that a really helpful summary of what's going on there. Regionally it's a mess and we're now having to pick up the pieces." Amen! | |||
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"Where does Allah stand on the Syrian crisis? I think generally he is against violence and pro charity. But he gave mankind freewill and shakes his head at how they have chosen to use it. Glad I could help.
Mr ddc"Yep, don't think my view has changed... | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " Since the west created, trained and is still arming isis to overthrow Pres Asad in syria. I'm afraid it's the west's problem. | |||
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"Where does Allah stand on the Syrian crisis? I think generally he is against violence and pro charity. But he gave mankind freewill and shakes his head at how they have chosen to use it. Glad I could help.
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"Where does Allah stand on the Syrian crisis? I think generally he is against violence and pro charity. But he gave mankind freewill and shakes his head at how they have chosen to use it. Glad I could help.
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Yep, don't think my view has changed...
Why we haven't been smited (smote?) yet I don't know "Technically, because that was the deal he struck with Noah. Hence the rainbow. Though I suspect Sodom and Gomorrah felt a bit hard done by... | |||
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"Getting back to the original question, what is the mechanism for talking to gods? I thought that they could read your thoughts? Can allah only read the thoughts of muslims? Or do they have to go through an intermediary eg one of their immams? Does this apply to all religions?" Isn't that supposed to be prayer? | |||
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"Getting back to the original question, what is the mechanism for talking to gods? I thought that they could read your thoughts? Can allah only read the thoughts of muslims? Or do they have to go through an intermediary eg one of their immams? Does this apply to all religions?" Not really, it depends how much of a believer you are. | |||
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"So does it have to be done out loud, in a particular building, wearing certain clothes? How do you know when your target god gets the message?" Lightning bolts are the best clue. If on target they smite your enemies. | |||
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Why we haven't been smited (smote?) yet I don't know "Thank you for smited, smote or even smitten - such lovely useful words especially when accompanied by thunderbolts or lightning  | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. " Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me "Because a sizeable number on here said we were making it up and the poor migrants would never do anything so heinous. We were all fascists, racists, and rabid right wingers for even thinking such a thing. What we have seen in Paris is just the trailer, the main movie is yet to come. | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me
Because a sizeable number on here said we were making it up and the poor migrants would never do anything so heinous. We were all fascists, racists, and rabid right wingers for even thinking such a thing.
What we have seen in Paris is just the trailer, the main movie is yet to come."Also ISIS members have somehow managed to get to Germany and are trying to recruit immigrant men of fighting age. Now to me an immigrant is a frightened desperate person (to risk your life trying to get to whatever shores they want to reach suggests that they are desperate) a desperate person is a dangerous person and if there was a promise of "come fight for IS and we will give your family money" or worse "fight for us or we'll kill your family" some may take up that offer. | |||
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" Also ISIS members have somehow managed to get to Germany and are trying to recruit immigrant men of fighting age. Now to me an immigrant is a frightened desperate person (to risk your life trying to get to whatever shores they want to reach suggests that they are desperate) a desperate person is a dangerous person and if there was a promise of "come fight for IS and we will give your family money" or worse "fight for us or we'll kill your family" some may take up that offer. " I think we need to debate this over a yazoo (banana flavour for me) | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me "the answers right above you. because they were shot down and laughed at. | |||
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"Have heard lots of support for taking refugees from EU countries .Haven't heard much from the surrounding Islamic countries or their solution to Isis ?? From my thinking it is an Islamic problem so they should be sorting it out ??? " The Arabs know what Arab refugees are like and won't let them in for any reason. Just look what happened to Jordan with the paliestinian refugees they took in, they started a civil war and tried to take over the country by force. | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me
Because a sizeable number on here said we were making it up and the poor migrants would never do anything so heinous. We were all fascists, racists, and rabid right wingers for even thinking such a thing.
What we have seen in Paris is just the trailer, the main movie is yet to come."Some people on here (not naming names but forum regulars will know who) amazingly still appear to be in denial about isis fighters coming into Europe posing as refugees and hiding in amongst them. This is despite mounting evidence coming in on a daily basis from various news sources that some of the Paris attackers had come into France from Syria posing as refugees and then travelling along the migration routes through Europe and on in to France. | |||
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"Long long ago on a thread far far away someone (I wonder who?) predicted that ISIS followers would tag along with the refugees flooding into Europe and cause mayhem. Although the poster was shouted down and called all sorts of terrible names it now seems he was right all along. The force is strong in this one. Why people keep saying "i told you so", when ISIS themselves said this is what they would do is beyond me
Because a sizeable number on here said we were making it up and the poor migrants would never do anything so heinous. We were all fascists, racists, and rabid right wingers for even thinking such a thing.
What we have seen in Paris is just the trailer, the main movie is yet to come.
Some people on here (not naming names but forum regulars will know who) amazingly still appear to be in denial about isis fighters coming into Europe posing as refugees and hiding in amongst them. This is despite mounting evidence coming in on a daily basis from various news sources that some of the Paris attackers had come into France from Syria posing as refugees and then travelling along the migration routes through Europe and on in to France. "As someone who many weeks ago predicted on here that this would happen, I'd love you to name names. Go on, give it a go. Or perhaps again you haven't been quite reading what was actually written? | |||
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" Some people on here (not naming names but forum regulars will know who) amazingly still appear incapable of making the differentiation between some terrorists hiding amongst refugees and taking advantage of a crisis in order to commit atrocities and genuine refugees who are escaping a horrific situation.. " maybe it suits their agenda to portray all refugees as the same people often portray asylum seekers through glasses tainted with the hue of xenophobia, racism and bigotry.. | |||
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"Irish famine mid 1800,s... Millions fled Did the Ottomans take in their fair share Presumably you are having a laugh or have taken leave of your senses. How would a starving refugee get to Constantinople in the 1800s? " Easyjet. They are celebrating an anniversary don't you know. | |||
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