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UK To accept 20000 immigrants

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

That's 20,000 over 4 years, so 5k per year

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Germany has just said it can take 500,000 migrants a year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34185353

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Unless my maths is wonky, that's a factor of 100 to 1

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

I think there is a strong case for doing more tbh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?"

I think theres a bit of a difference between the Jews in WW2 and these Shag tbh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Germany has just said it can take 500,000 migrants a year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34185353"
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Did you miss the article that also said Germany is desperate for more immigrants due to their falling population!

There'd projected their population to fall to 75 million where as ours would increase to 85 million.

Apparently what they needed was an influx of young, willing to work for cheap people... Mmmm but where do you just come across millions of young folk these days

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

" Mmmm but where do you just come across millions of young folk these days

Oi! Jervis, put it away! :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1E9PZQKklQ

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Whats your thought over it?"

My thoughts are humanitarian ....

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?"

The refugees who have made it from Syria to Germany will be the pick of the bunch as they clearly had the funds and the initiative to undertake the journey. These are skills that will benefit the German economy in the long term. That said, It is giving completely the wrong message to those still in refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey and may well result in more deaths at sea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Mmmm but where do you just come across millions of young folk these days

Oi! Jervis, put it away! :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1E9PZQKklQ"
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Seen rob three times. Meet him dozens of times

Brilliant guy, puts his money where his mouth is.

Of course according to the media he's gone crazy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should only take in christians,there in the most danger

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You can argue tho, that an island like Britain can only have so many till its full.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We should only take in christians,there in the most danger"

How Christian is that?

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"You can argue tho, that an island like Britain can only have so many till its full."

*whispers* Pssstt............you're an immigrant.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I think there is a strong case for doing more tbh"

Doesn't matter how much we do there will always be some moaning that we aren't doing enough.

Britain has contributed more than the whole of the rest of the EU put together in terms of monetary funding, over 900 million in aid given to help the refugees in other countries. Isn't it time the rest of the EU got their act together and contributed more in monetary funding to match us?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"You can argue tho, that an island like Britain can only have so many till its full.

*whispers* Pssstt............you're an immigrant."
Yes but an legal one lol.

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By *UNKIEMan over a year ago

south east

We're not taking 20000 immigrants at all ....we're offering to take 20000 syrian refugees...theres a difference

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?"

That's because you don't have to wear rags and be hungry to go in fear of your life.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I think there is a strong case for doing more tbh

Doesn't matter how much we do there will always be some moaning that we aren't doing enough.

We're paying to avoid actually dealing with the problem... how do you know how much the UK g'ment has spent, out of interest?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Some numbers:

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

€11bn

Hammond and David Cameron argue that the solution to migration is to increase deportations. They believe this will save Britain money, as less cash will be spent on paying each asylum seeker £36.95 per week.

However, this strategy ignores the cost of deportations – whose alleged financial cost could rival that of the asylum seekers’ benefits bill. According to a series of investigations by the website The Migrant Files, as many as €11bn have been spent on repatriating migrants to their countries of origin since 2000.

A further billion has been blown on Europe-wide coordination efforts to secure European borders – money that could have been spent on integrating migrants into European society.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

does the 20k include all the illegal ones streaming through the tunnel and dover on a daily basis, or yet again are the government ignoring these illegal people who have broken the law.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

-76,439

Despite the hysteria, the number of refugees in the UK has actually fallen by 76,439 since 2011. That’s according to Britain’s Refugee Council, which crunched the numbers gleaned from UN data and found that the number of refugees in the UK fell from 193,600 to 117,161 in the past four years.

By comparison, the proportion of refugees housed by developing countries in the past 10 years has risen, according to the UN, from 70% to 86%.

Britain could be doing far more.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

25,870

Contrary to the perception of the UK as the high altar of immigration, it is not a particularly major magnet for refugees. In 2014, just 25,870 people sought asylum in the UK, and only 10,050 were accepted. Germany (97275), France (68500), Sweden (39,905) and Italy (35,180) were all far more affected.

When the ratings are calculated as a proportion to population size, the UK slips even further down the table – behind Belgium, Holland and Austria. If the ratings were calculated on 2015 rates, then even impoverished Greece would rise above the UK in the table.

Just as tellingly, the UK has welcomed just 187 Syrians through legal mechanisms at the last count.

Turkey has around 1.6 million.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

62%

Far from being propelled by economic migrants, this crisis is mostly about refugees.

The assumption by the likes of Hammond, May and others is that the majority of those trying to reach Europe are fleeing poverty, which is not considered by the international community as a good enough reason to move to another country. Whereas in fact, by the end of July, 62% of those who had reached Europe by boat this year were from Syria, Eritrea and Afghanistan, according to figures compiled by the UN.

These are countries torn apart by war, dictatorial oppression, and religious extremism – and, in Syria’s case, all three.

Their citizens almost always have the legal right to refuge in Europe. And if you add to the mix those coming from Darfur, Iraq, Somalia, and some parts of Nigeria – then the total proportion of migrants likely to qualify for asylum rises to well over 70%.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

If you read the British press, you’d think that Calais was the major battleground of the European migrant crisis, and that Britain was the holy grail of its protagonists.

In reality, the migrants at Calais account for as little as 1% of those who have arrived in Europe so far this year.

Estimates suggest that between 2,000-5,000 migrants have reached Calais, which is between 1% and 2.5% of the more than 200,000 who have landed in Italy and Greece. Just as importantly, there is no evidence to suggest that as many as seven in 10 have reached Britain after arriving in Calais.

The Daily Mail admitted this several paragraphs into its article.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I think there is a strong case for doing more tbh

Doesn't matter how much we do there will always be some moaning that we aren't doing enough.

We're paying to avoid actually dealing with the problem... how do you know how much the UK g'ment has spent, out of interest?"

It was reported on BBC news and sky news 2 days ago.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

0.027%

Hammond said that the migrants would speed the collapse of the European social order.

In reality, the number of migrants to have arrived so far this year (200,000) is so minuscule that it constitutes just 0.027% of Europe’s total population of 740 million.

The world’s wealthiest continent can easily handle such a comparatively small influx.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Anyone else want some numbers?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Ok those seeking asylum are NOT eligible for social housing they will most likely until a decision has been made on their asylum application be placed in NASS accommodation....so immigrants will not take all our social housing

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Ok those seeking asylum are NOT eligible for social housing they will most likely until a decision has been made on their asylum application be placed in NASS accommodation....so immigrants will not take all our social housing "

Facts are inconvenient things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Facts are inconvenient things "

Depends whos facts your reading

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?

I think theres a bit of a difference between the Jews in WW2 and these Shag tbh

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That's right, quite a big difference.

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By *44bertCouple over a year ago

Inverness

Anyone who thinks we should not help fellow human beings in help is an utter cunt.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyone who thinks we should not help fellow human beings in help is an utter cunt. "

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By *an and jackMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written. "

I neither want to disprove or prove them if im honest...what i do know is this country is far from full...these poor people need to escape to somewhere thats safe for them to live

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many are Japan, south Korea, India, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Thailand etc taking? You don't hear a peep out of their governments. As for the USA and Australia, aren't they supposed to be the lands of opportunity. Didn't the USA used to say "give me your poor, unwashed" etc? Spread out amongst EVERYONE, I'm sure there can be homes for all.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"How many are Japan, south Korea, India, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Thailand etc taking? You don't hear a peep out of their governments. As for the USA and Australia, aren't they supposed to be the lands of opportunity. Didn't the USA used to say "give me your poor, unwashed" etc? Spread out amongst EVERYONE, I'm sure there can be homes for all."

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

I neither want to disprove or prove them if im honest...what i do know is this country is far from full...these poor people need to escape to somewhere thats safe for them to live "

It's not unreasonable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

That's 'cos they sold off all the council houses to aspiring types.

Remember Right to Buy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

That's 'cos they sold off all the council houses to aspiring types.

Remember Right to Buy?"

Short memories a bit like all the other industries they sold off..and then complain everythings made abroad

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written. "

Facts.

Hitler was an artist with a like of still life watercolours

Hitler was tee total, didn't smoke and was vegetarian

Hitler was devoted to his dog

Mother Theresa organised the mass genocide of millions (of mosquitos)

Some facts can be rather misleading

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written. "

If there is such a thing as reincarnation,I want to come back as you Sir.

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

Oh the humanity

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

...and I am directed by a Fabster to make a distinction between:-

* Refugee

A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

And...

* Immigrant

A person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world. "

That's what kills me about uncle Sam. They have thousands and thousands of square miles they are not using. These people only require space, and a few amenities to start up on their own. They know how to farm etc, they don't need to be a burden, if that's what people are really scared of.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

what ever happened to charity home etc etc ......this country full of do gooders who never look at how much help all the rich nations of the world HELP no one but themselves.....what are all the arab and muslim nations doing to help there friends .....shit all

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

Facts.

Hitler was an artist with a like of still life watercolours

Hitler was tee total, didn't smoke and was vegetarian

Hitler was devoted to his dog

Mother Theresa organised the mass genocide of millions (of mosquitos)

Some facts can be rather misleading"

You're using knowledge the way a d*unk uses a lamp post - to hold you off the floor, rather than for illumination.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

Oh the humanity"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Human beings reduced to numbers, money and being called shit, yet again.

Welcome to the futuristic world of self centred, discompassionate capitalism.

We are still crawling along Nietzsche's bridge from Ape to Superhuman.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world.

In fairness, there's little unused land in the USA that is productive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

Facts.

Hitler was an artist with a like of still life watercolours

Hitler was tee total, didn't smoke and was vegetarian

Hitler was devoted to his dog

Mother Theresa organised the mass genocide of millions (of mosquitos)

Some facts can be rather misleading

You're using knowledge the way a d*unk uses a lamp post - to hold you off the floor, rather than for illumination.

Excellent, marry me DJ.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Excellent, marry me DJ.

I'm NOT the marrying kind.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Excellent, marry me DJ.

I'm NOT the marrying kind. "

And you're straight!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Excellent, marry me DJ.

I'm NOT the marrying kind.

And you're straight!

:P"

You changed me, I'll set you up in a little flat somewhere.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"...and I am directed by a Fabster to make a distinction between:-

* Refugee

A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

And...

* Immigrant

A person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. "

There is also economic migrant, which could be a refugee who refuses asylum in the first safe country they reach, and chooses to go to another country instead because they think the benefits are better there. (I would put the lorry jumpers in calais in that category).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world.

In fairness, there's little unused land in the USA that is productive."

They can do what they're doing here,build in between houses,knock down old colleges,pubs etc and build flats.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

You live in SW London there is no social housing left in London everybody brought theirs years ago...

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Excellent, marry me DJ.

I'm NOT the marrying kind.

And you're straight!

You changed me, I'll set you up in a little flat somewhere.

Dirty sod!

I'm no-one's creature.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Been waiting 10yrs for a 3bed hs thay keep telling me thay aint got then that load of shit turns up and gets evrything fuck them off

You live in SW London there is no social housing left in London everybody brought theirs years ago..."

Give someone a cheap roof over their head and they still complain of the hardship compared to homeless.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

For anyone who wants to do a bit of light reading regarding eligibility for social housing look up homelessness code of guidance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have the pm really thought this thru? What will happened to the bedroom tax, will they cut it as it seems they will accept so many to get housing.

They look well dressed and don't look starved, take the jews back in ww2, now that's another story. Whats your thought over it?

The UK are planning to take people from the refugee camps which in many ways is a better way to do it, but in other ways not so good (for the country generally). Those in the camps are probably those most in need and so yes we should be helping. I doubt though that these people will have as dramatically positive effect on our economy as those who have gone over sea and land to reach Germany."
where does humanitarianim reach a point that it drastically affects its own people ,people in this country are on the breadline being chased by debt companies at a point where they are having their houses repossessed and can't afford basic things like food and gas and can't get jobs our population is swelling to breaking point amenities

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world.

In fairness, there's little unused land in the USA that is productive.

They can do what they're doing here,build in between houses,knock down old colleges,pubs etc and build flats. "

There is thousands of square miles that's woodland, prairie or grassland.

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By *osweet69Couple over a year ago

portsmouth

Feed and clothe all the political refugees then give all the men a gun and the supplies they need, turn them round and sent them back to their own country to free that country from the persecution and oppression from which they flee.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away "

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here..."

Link?

Evidence?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?"

There is none...and i thought this was about refugees not immigrants theres a huge difference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you'll find the Statue of Liverty has an inscription that bares the legen:

"bring me you hungry, your tired and your poor - I'll piss on 'em".

Pretty sure sure that's what it says.

Unless you're brown and from south of the border, in which case you can fuck off.

It's a funny old world.

The us takes about 70,000 a year through resettlement programs.

It used to be closer to 200,000 in the ninties bur times and public perception have changed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?"

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000 "

Link please...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I use net as we don't know the nationality of those leaving last year the actual I migration figures were over 600,000 (according to ONS) but emigration from the UK was around 300,000 hoe many of them were native British and how many were previous immigrants though is unknown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?"

I think hes talking about the no boarders rule in the EU...like i said a huge difference

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there"

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please..."

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/index.html

It was a fairly big news as it meant the government failed their targets by 3 times the level.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We always talking about immigrations only in one way, what about the financial immigration ?

The one that causes those problems in our

countries and abroad ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight? "

You cannot compare the present day situation in Syria to that of what our relatives encountered in the World Wars.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?"

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/index.html

It was a fairly big news as it meant the government failed their targets by 3 times the level."

They will always fail...because of EU laws...we are talking here about refugees NOT immigrants

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/index.html

It was a fairly big news as it meant the government failed their targets by 3 times the level.

They will always fail...because of EU laws...we are talking here about refugees NOT immigrants

I know we're talking about refugees people made the point that it's only 25k over 5 years but they're ignoring the several million who come along side them through other channels that put pressure on the system.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh and they don't just fail because of EU laws the total non EU immigration was over the target on its own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same "

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight?

You cannot compare the present day situation in Syria to that of what our relatives encountered in the World Wars."

I mean aside from anything else, warfare is extraordinarily different nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/index.html

It was a fairly big news as it meant the government failed their targets by 3 times the level.

They will always fail...because of EU laws...we are talking here about refugees NOT immigrants

The system put pressure on itself ... it doesn't need immigrants for that ! it creates itself the favourable Chaos that will allow that

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you..."

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight?

You cannot compare the present day situation in Syria to that of what our relatives encountered in the World Wars."

thick as f**k me. giz a clue?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bernard Henry Levy with the help of the French government gave weapons to terrorists in order to fight the LEGITIMATE I repeat LEGITIMATE government of Bashar Al Assad... in order to take control over Syrian and now they come on TV crying because people are dying ? you fucking kidding me right ?

Those responsible for those wars now crying over the deaths ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it "

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead ."

totally agree with you, nonetheless we can do something easy at home, in our countries to avoid those situations though..

Our governments, under our behalf, start WAR and fuck other countries and then complaint of immigrants !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight?

You cannot compare the present day situation in Syria to that of what our relatives encountered in the World Wars.

I mean aside from anything else, warfare is extraordinarily different nowadays."

Indeed both sides refused to use chemical weapons in ww2.

One interesting point is who was being naughty and stockpiling mustard gas?

Syrior Iraq or was it provided from an outside source

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill."

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill."

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

put not but*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a taxpayer, I don't care who benefits from the welfare system so long as they are deserving - Syrian, Iraqi or British. You could argue that refugees are more deserving as they have not had the same educational and employment opportunities as the British.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead ."

I could be talking complete shit here but for me, I think one of the roots of people's poor attitudes towards refugees stems from growing up in a developed country such as our own. People get a sense of entitlement due to the high standard of living those of us in a developed country have. They then fear it being taken away by people from third world countries who they consider have less of an entitlement, despite being torn from their home to due to war or whatever else.

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

totally agree with you, nonetheless we can do something easy at home, in our countries to avoid those situations though..

Our governments, under our behalf, start WAR and fuck other countries and then complaint of immigrants ! "

Yes , there are lessons to be learned from previous fuck ups .....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act. "

Ha e you seen the way the refugees are acting in Europe and France there were quite a few videos on the German news of them smashing the place up taking selfie and videos as they broke shop fronts down...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ??? "

The interview with his aunt in Canada where she says she couldn't afford to send him the 14k for the dentist bill so she and her father suggested he take his family to Europe where he could get treatment before moving on to Canada under her private sponsorship?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

Have you seen the way our governments fuck up their countries ??? there are videos of it all over the internet ... don't seem to bother you much ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

https://youtu.be/QZUuoaq1MLM

....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whats your point? You cant take a small cross section of a group and then suggest they are all the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

Maybe they saw the videos of English football fans' behaviour in Europe and thought that was what was expected of them. Be careful of sweeping generalisations.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

are these like the riots that happened in London..when we had white youths rioting and looting everything they could lay there hands on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

Have you seen the way our governments fuck up their countries ??? there are videos of it all over the internet ... don't seem to bother you much ...

Bit of a random point your making there, so by your logic you're happy to see UK cities smashed dup because you feel the government's forgien policy is disagreeable?

Please feel free to cast the first stone at your local argos, or is such work beneath you and something that should be left to the imigrants

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

sure if you say so ... believe what you see in the news... GOOD JOB, sure they ain't lying like they did for the Iraq war

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

are these like the riots that happened in London..when we had white youths rioting and looting everything they could lay there hands on

Yep, so best really not to being more of the same sort isn't it?

Or because one of your radiators is leaking do you not bother making sure the roof tile gets fixed before that starts leaking to.

An existing problem is not justification for brining in an aditipnal problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

sure if you say so ... believe what you see in the news... GOOD JOB, sure they ain't lying like they did for the Iraq war

So you belive his aunt giving the interview is an actress and making it up?

You'd think he'd have said "hey that's not my aunt!!!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

I neither want to disprove or prove them if im honest...what i do know is this country is far from full...these poor people need to escape to somewhere thats safe for them to live "
.

If everyone stands sleeping up shoulder to shoulder!

You can fit the entire population of Europe on the isle of Wight

Practically speaking it won't work very well!.

If you look on a real map of the world (not the shit you get from stock that most people have seen), you'll notice two things

The UK is nowhere near where you think it is!

And its fucking minute... I mean it's fucking tiny, it's like the smallest cock on fab!

You can put it three times over in most African countries!

You can put it ten times over into Brazil, you can put Brazil many times over into south America which is huge and you can put south America many times over into Africa!

There's land out there.... It just ain't here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

Have you seen the way our governments fuck up their countries ??? there are videos of it all over the internet ... don't seem to bother you much ...

Bit of a random point your making there, so by your logic you're happy to see UK cities smashed dup because you feel the government's forgien policy is disagreeable?

Please feel free to cast the first stone at your local argos, or is such work beneath you and something that should be left to the imigrants

I'm just using your way of thinking ....simple as that...

This a cause à effet! ... what is happening right is utterly the cause of the politics of our government abroad ... that's easy from your side to point out facts like the ones you just have...

but you are just attacking the consequences of a problems and not the cause ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It makes no difference whatsoever what other countries are doing , or not doing .

What matters is what we can do .

And it will never be enough for the poor sods who have nowhere to go .

To suggest there is no space is nonsense .

No more excuses , we must do all we can and hope others follow our lead .

We have to accept as one of the most developed countries in the world we have an obligation to act.

are these like the riots that happened in London..when we had white youths rioting and looting everything they could lay there hands on

Yep, so best really not to being more of the same sort isn't it?

Or because one of your radiators is leaking do you not bother making sure the roof tile gets fixed before that starts leaking to.

An existing problem is not justification for brining in an aditipnal problem."

i honest think you need to take a reality check and stop reading right wing newspapers and watching Fox

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

sure if you say so ... believe what you see in the news... GOOD JOB, sure they ain't lying like they did for the Iraq war

So you belive his aunt giving the interview is an actress and making it up?

You'd think he'd have said "hey that's not my aunt!!!""

Well the same Main stream media sell us a WAR on a lie, they killed millions of Iraqi under our behalf so I'm sorry to be sceptic on them ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

are these like the riots that happened in London..when we had white youths rioting and looting everything they could lay there hands on

Yep, so best really not to being more of the same sort isn't it?

Or because one of your radiators is leaking do you not bother making sure the roof tile gets fixed before that starts leaking to.

An existing problem is not justification for brining in an aditipnal problem."

You are missing the point. If every white youth in the country was judged on the London Riots would that be fair? No.

Again you cannot judge a whole category of people on a small cross section.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just to check here you guys realise that the 20k or whatever were taking isn't going to affect the migrant situation in Europe at all because we're taking people direct from the camps on the border of Syria not the people who illegally crossed into the rest of Europe. ..

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"...............

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill."

Where have you got that from? I read from a number of quite reliable sources that the family left Kobane in June after 11 members of the same family were murdered by IS and they were in just one of the very many overcrowded hell hole refugee camps in Turkey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

sure if you say so ... believe what you see in the news... GOOD JOB, sure they ain't lying like they did for the Iraq war

So you belive his aunt giving the interview is an actress and making it up?

You'd think he'd have said "hey that's not my aunt!!!"

Well the same Main stream media sell us a WAR on a lie, they killed millions of Iraqi under our behalf so I'm sorry to be sceptic on them ... "

So basically your saying "sshirt I've got nothing here so I'm just going to say it's all lies and actors?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just to check here you guys realise that the 20k or whatever were taking isn't going to affect the migrant situation in Europe at all because we're taking people direct from the camps on the border of Syria not the people who illegally crossed into the rest of Europe. .."

Who cares as long as it gets them out of harms way....you reap what you sow in this world...thats why we have a problem with immigration...NOT refugees

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok... So all these 'refugees' arrive.... They jump the council house queue, they get everything given to them

That's all well and good but we have to adopt the same policy as Canada and Greece, integrate or leave.

We've been here before with Poles, Serbians etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

You don't know anything about what they are going through there... you read an article about it and you think that the guy but is family life's in danger to get his teeth fixed ?? reallly ???

sure if you say so ... believe what you see in the news... GOOD JOB, sure they ain't lying like they did for the Iraq war

So you belive his aunt giving the interview is an actress and making it up?

You'd think he'd have said "hey that's not my aunt!!!"

Well the same Main stream media sell us a WAR on a lie, they killed millions of Iraqi under our behalf so I'm sorry to be sceptic on them ...

So basically your saying "sshirt I've got nothing here so I'm just going to say it's all lies and actors?"

They did it millions on times, do you read my messages ??? the media lied so many times so why should I believe them now ?

I give up ! honestly go on on your own !!

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

fuckin hell shag cant you just stick to haribos?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He lost his family but will be happy with his new teeth surely !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He lost his family but will be happy with his new teeth surely !!!!!!!"

not only did he get new pearly whites...but his whole family went to the pearly gates

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please..."

I Love it when people try to ridicule a comment by asking for a link.

They always assume that the poster will be too lazy or busy to look it up.

Well you asked for it so here it is.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/stb-msqr-august-2015.htm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

I Love it when people try to ridicule a comment by asking for a link.

They always assume that the poster will be too lazy or busy to look it up.

Well you asked for it so here it is.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/stb-msqr-august-2015.htm"

Theres statistics and theres darn lies lol...and tbh..the thread is about refugees and not immigration..i think he mixed them up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank fuck our parents and grandparents wernt like these c..ts and fought and not run away

I have read some stupid things in my time on these forums but this must be up there

maybe im a bit stupid too, can you explain why four million people cant go back and fight?

You cannot compare the present day situation in Syria to that of what our relatives encountered in the World Wars.

I mean aside from anything else, warfare is extraordinarily different nowadays."

Same outcome, just different, more efficient methods of killing. The sing remains the same.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

I Love it when people try to ridicule a comment by asking for a link.

They always assume that the poster will be too lazy or busy to look it up.

Well you asked for it so here it is.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/stb-msqr-august-2015.htm

Theres statistics and theres darn lies lol...and tbh..the thread is about refugees and not immigration..i think he mixed them up

The old Mark Twain quote always seems to rear its head when there are some numbers that people don't like. I've got to hold my hand up to using it myself from time to time.

However you are right to question the numbers because they are a bit dodgy.

While the figures for Romanians and Bulgarians stood at just over 50,000 the number of NI numbers issued to those nationals were nearly double that figure during the same period. So the 330,000 was a bit on the low side.

As for refugees and immigrants being mixed up. Of course they are, because they are mixed up at source.

Is a man fleeing from a safe country to the west to get his teeth fixed an immigrant or a refugee?

Please provide links.

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By *irtydanMan over a year ago

Blackpool

what about all the illegals that get in ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During that same time out net immigration will at a minimum be 1.6 million extra immigrants here...

Link?

Evidence?

Net migration according to latest figures is 330k a year, assuming it stays that way and doesn't rise (which would be highly unlikley)

330,000 x 5 = 1,650,000

Link please...

I Love it when people try to ridicule a comment by asking for a link.

They always assume that the poster will be too lazy or busy to look it up.

Well you asked for it so here it is.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/stb-msqr-august-2015.htm

Theres statistics and theres darn lies lol...and tbh..the thread is about refugees and not immigration..i think he mixed them up

The old Mark Twain quote always seems to rear its head when there are some numbers that people don't like. I've got to hold my hand up to using it myself from time to time.

However you are right to question the numbers because they are a bit dodgy.

As for refugees and immigrants being mixed up. Of course they are, because they are mixed up at source.

Is a man fleeing from a safe country to the west to get his teeth fixed an immigrant or a refugee?

Please provide links."

Then you just answered your provide the links question to me...by your own admission there dodgy.

And as for immigration from EU countries not a lot we can do about it really is there..as im assuming looking at your locations you took full advantage of it

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

yes what about the illegal people who break the law to be hear.....lets deport them back....they have a criminal record, entering a country is against the law .....may be they are above our law system

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"He lost his family but will be happy with his new teeth surely !!!!!!!"

His family was safe in Turkey though so why did he leave?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

to collect our money /housing /medical help/education etc etc .....I go to turkey on hols don't seem to bad to me

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

Sorry but according to the guys sister (or maybe sister in law I forget which) who lives in Canada. He tried to tap her up for the money, she refused, and he was then convinced he could get it for free in the west.

I only watched the interview with her on German TV the other night. I believe she was on Sky news as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Urghhh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok... So all these 'refugees' arrive.... They jump the council house queue, they get everything given to them

This is just an assumption.

Why are so many people in a Country with one of the lowest unemployment rates on housing lists anyway? We have a tendency to blame outsiders for our own hardships. It's nothing new and gets you no where other than the politics of hate. If people took more responsibility for their circumstances they would be more inclined to do something about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"to collect our money /housing /medical help/education etc etc .....I go to turkey on hols don't seem to bad to me "

What about the thousands of British people who don't contribute but collect our money, housing, health and education?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Ok... So all these 'refugees' arrive.... They jump the council house queue, they get everything given to them

That's all well and good but we have to adopt the same policy as Canada and Greece, integrate or leave.

We've been here before with Poles, Serbians etc

David Cameron posts on Fab?!!

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

I only watched the interview with her on German TV the other night. I believe she was on Sky news as well."

OK, so never mind that the family escaped by the skin of their teeth from IS in Kobane after family victim number 11 was murdered. Never mind that they were living like dogs in an overcrowded refugee camp in Turkey alongside about 1,500,000 displaced people...

Let's focus on the really important stuff that is bound to get the tongues wagging... The Aunt in Canada funded their crossing into Europe so that a dentist could be found on the cheap?

Yes a story like that is bound to start heads rolling, vomit inducement and sheer terror in those whose fear of foreigners increases 100 fold if they have a different coloured skin and speak funny.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

Facts are inconvenient things

Depends whos facts your reading

Indeed. I invite you to disprove any of what I've just written.

Facts.

Hitler was an artist with a like of still life watercolours

Hitler was tee total, didn't smoke and was vegetarian

Hitler was devoted to his dog

Mother Theresa organised the mass genocide of millions (of mosquitos)

Some facts can be rather misleading

You're using knowledge the way a d*unk uses a lamp post - to hold you off the floor, rather than for illumination.

I will admit it's a good quote.

Another one is

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit

Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

I only watched the interview with her on German TV the other night. I believe she was on Sky news as well.

Let's focus on the really important stuff that is bound to get the tongues wagging... The Aunt in Canada funded their crossing into Europe so that a dentist could be found on the cheap?

Yes a story like that is bound to start heads rolling, vomit inducement and sheer terror in those whose fear of foreigners increases 100 fold if they have a different coloured skin and speak funny."

Exactly

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

After nearly 60 years of Syria trying to wipe Israel from existence, is David Ben Gurion sitting in the afterlife chuckling to himself?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you talking about refugees or immigrants ?

Well you know where I said, at the same time immigrant levels, and then continually referee to imigrants and people emigrating I thought that would be clear?

And no only about 150 thousand of them are from the EU.

one is running away from away, quite against ones will to avoid to get bomb, and the other choose to move in another country in order to get a better life...

it is not the same

But they are away from the bombs they second they step foot into turkey?

The crossing of Europe is purely to get a better life.

Or is there currently a war in France, Greece, Austria, hungry etc?

You'd think they'd mention half of Europe being a war zone on the news wouldn't you...

Can Turkey welcome all the refugees by itself ?

Did Turkey start the Syrian war ? I don't think so, French government with British and American started it

They can claim asylum in any country from Turkey. ..

For instance the little drowned boy we've been seeing everywhere lately as the "horror" of it all.

His father was taking the family to Europe because he couldn't afford to have his teeth fixed in Turkey but knew it would be provided for here.

The boy didn't drown fleeing war he died cause his parents were trying to avoid a 14k medical bill.

Sorry but what a load of bollocks

I only watched the interview with her on German TV the other night. I believe she was on Sky news as well.

Let's focus on the really important stuff that is bound to get the tongues wagging... The Aunt in Canada funded their crossing into Europe so that a dentist could be found on the cheap?

Yes a story like that is bound to start heads rolling, vomit inducement and sheer terror in those whose fear of foreigners increases 100 fold if they have a different coloured skin and speak funny."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nearly 60 years of Syria trying to wipe Israel from existence, is David Ben Gurion sitting in the afterlife chuckling to himself?"

Probably...but then look who created Israel....there probably less safe now then when Syria was attacking them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok... So all these 'refugees' arrive.... They jump the council house queue, they get everything given to them

This is just an assumption.

Because private rents are above people's affordability. The council housing stock is being sold off and ending up as private rented accommodation at double the rent of council rents and above. A 3 bed council house is £105 a week to rent,a private will be more than double that.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

I used to think that the hysterical fear of the Poles, Czechs and Latvians was a bit of swivel eyed and delusional paranoia.

This fear now of people with brown skins as well as a different language is taking the irrational fear factor to a whole new level.

When did it happen that some people became so complacent with their comfortable lives that they want to restrict access to anyone who is seemingly undeserving simply because of an accident of birth. The excuses given are mind boggling...

They've got mobile phones

They should stay and fight

They are Muslims

They might be IS fighters

Whats wrong with Turkey

We dont want them here

The poor in this country will fortunately never be in fear of being beheaded for being the wrong religion, their children will never be prevented from going to school and their women folk never treated like dirt. The ignorance of some as to what is happening in Syria is appalling, especially considering that we have 24 hour news coverage!

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"I used to think that the hysterical fear of the Poles, Czechs and Latvians was a bit of swivel eyed and delusional paranoia.

This fear now of people with brown skins as well as a different language is taking the irrational fear factor to a whole new level.

They've got mobile phones

They should stay and fight

They are Muslims

They might be IS fighters

Whats wrong with Turkey

We dont want them here

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones."

Am very tempted to say that you can draw a direct link between the rise of Facebook and the sPeaK yOr bRaINes nationalism so evident here, there and elsewhere.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I used to think that the hysterical fear of the Poles, Czechs and Latvians was a bit of swivel eyed and delusional paranoia.

This fear now of people with brown skins as well as a different language is taking the irrational fear factor to a whole new level.

They've got mobile phones

They should stay and fight

They are Muslims

They might be IS fighters

Whats wrong with Turkey

We dont want them here

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones."

One of the best posts I have ever read on here

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By *errygTV/TS over a year ago

denton

all the people who welcome these people do a geldorf and put them up in spare bedrooms if you have one. i have them next door to me and are not good neighbors landlord pockets a few quid buy getting serco to use the house, yes some are on tag, they are syrian ive been told

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok... So all these 'refugees' arrive.... They jump the council house queue, they get everything given to them

This is just an assumption.

When I could not afford property where I used to live, I moved and worked hard to get a promotion at work to make it affordable. If I can't afford a 3 bed house then I won't have more than 2 children. If I sat there just blaming everyone, I won't have bothered and would be stuck in the same position or on a housing list. I appreciate I can lose my job and may require the safety net of welfare.

Unfortunately, for a lot of people it's not used for this purpose. It's seen as something they are entitled to because that's how their parents, grandparents ended up in their homes and then they have the cheek to say someone else is not entitled because they are a foreigner.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones."

In the last fifty years it has been fairly common in UK for people to have been tortured and shot for their religion. It's been fairly common for schools to be closed because of violence. It's been commonplace for verbal abuse.

It's only when it might effect England that most of the English start to wail.

Yes it's bad. No it shouldn't happen. Just don't pretend it's new

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones.

It's only when it might effect England that most of the English start to wail.

Yes it's bad. No it shouldn't happen. Just don't pretend it's new"

So you are saying that between 1965 and today. People in Britain have been tortured and shot for their religious beliefs???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"all the people who welcome these people do a geldorf and put them up in spare bedrooms if you have one. i have them next door to me and are not good neighbors landlord pockets a few quid buy getting serco to use the house, yes some are on tag, they are syrian ive been told"

I used to live above an awful guy. Dealt drugs from his house, played music really loudly, and shagging his girlfriend loudly at all hours.

Later on I moved into a shared house through a letting agency. Two of my housemates dealt drugs from the premisis. My next door housemate would be up all night listening to music. The one across the landing used to argue with his girlfriend at all hours and once pushed her down the stairs.

When I was a child, someone turned up to the pub next door and shot someone.

Last month two men were arrested at the end of the road where I currently live for brandishing guns in the street.

You know what all those men had in common? They were all white, British men. Do I tar all white British men with the same Brush? Do I suggest that all white British men would not be good neighbours because I've had some poor experiences? No. Because that would be racist. And I'm not racist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So you are saying that between 1965 and today. People in Britain have been tortured and shot for their religious beliefs???

Some people did attempt to shoot some Muslims last year in the UK. I wonder if that's what he means?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I used to think that the hysterical fear of the Poles, Czechs and Latvians was a bit of swivel eyed and delusional paranoia.

This fear now of people with brown skins as well as a different language is taking the irrational fear factor to a whole new level.

They've got mobile phones

They should stay and fight

They are Muslims

They might be IS fighters

Whats wrong with Turkey

We dont want them here

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones."

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

David Starkey posts on Fab?!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolute joke, Cameron promised,err lied to get net migration down to 10k's now 300k n rising,judging by tv these will be 20k single blokes all with smartphones on the news ! Then bring in extended family and anyone else who wants to come,Cameron the man who puts 'cunt' in country and every other country first

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Absolute joke, Cameron promised,err lied to get net migration down to 10k's now 300k n rising,judging by tv these will be 20k single blokes all with smartphones on the news ! Then bring in extended family and anyone else who wants to come,Cameron the man who puts 'cunt' in country and every other country first"

William Hague posts on Fab?!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

William Hague posts on Fab?!!

We need George Osborne now

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

I don't think anyone actually believes that George Osborne is smart enough to type 'coherently' on a keyboard.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think anyone actually believes that George Osborne is smart enough to type 'coherently' on a keyboard."
hope you've got a sharp pencil,cos that would be the only valid 'point' you seem to hold

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

How rude!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think anyone actually believes that George Osborne is smart enough to type 'coherently' on a keyboard.hope you've got a sharp pencil,cos that would be the only valid 'point' you seem to hold

Chill

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think anyone actually believes that George Osborne is smart enough to type 'coherently' on a keyboard.hope you've got a sharp pencil,cos that would be the only valid 'point' you seem to hold

Chill"
haha you guys always consecutive poster,syncronicity?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think there is a strong case for doing more tbh"

Summarised quite nicely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So you are saying that between 1965 and today. People in Britain have been tortured and shot for their religious beliefs???

Some people did attempt to shoot some Muslims last year in the UK. I wonder if that's what he means?"
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No he means British citizens in northern Ireland.

Oh yeah they don't count because there white you bloody racist

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Whats your point? You cant take a small cross section of a group and then suggest they are all the same.

You would think they would be grateful that someone was helping them instead of smashing things up?

( not seen the article )

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just for a week stop buying your red top newspapers, watch the news, look at what's happening to make normal families leave everything they have.

Now consider the problems you have. How much worse would they have to be for you to consider doing the same thing.

Look again at some of the posts above (not singling any out) and see how easy it is to be blinkered, insular and narrow-minded.

We have some people with big problems and while we can't help everyone that doesn't mean we should help no-one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The arms industry makes the bombs/planes etc... then sells them to these counties, They use them to control their own people/stop uprisings etc... Civil war breaks out, People flee for their own/family safety, The western countries go in to "help sort out the mess" armed by the arms industry when it's safe the people put in control of country are sold bombs/planes/ etc... and the cycle begins again

No profit in peace

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS over a year ago

Limavady

I seem to recall that their was more sympathy in some quarters for Cecil the lion than for these innocent victims of a war so hideous that even we feel it better to conduct our fight by drones.

It's only when it might effect England that most of the English start to wail.

Yes it's bad. No it shouldn't happen. Just don't pretend it's new

So you are saying that between 1965 and today. People in Britain have been tortured and shot for their religious beliefs???

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yes

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

We have some people with big problems and while we can't help everyone that doesn't mean we should help no-one.

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