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Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent. |
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent."
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent.
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
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Cool. Thank you for the reply.
There seem to be fewer around that I can see or maybe fewer identify as TV on their profile. Or maybe it is simply that fewer post in the forums. Either way we are yet to encounter a female TV. Your good self aside obviously.
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent.
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
Cool. Thank you for the reply.
There seem to be fewer around that I can see or maybe fewer identify as TV on their profile. Or maybe it is simply that fewer post in the forums. Either way we are yet to encounter a female TV. Your good self aside obviously.
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The problem is finding people.
I don't label myself on sites like this as a TV/TS, even though I am technically TG. I got fed up with men telling me that my reconstructive surgery had been good, my breasts looked really natural and did I still have my penis to fuck them with? The default assumption is that a TS/TV is male to female, which drives many women who are female to male TV/TG away from sites likes this.
In addition there's the obsession with bisexual women. Most FTM's, in my experience, are extremely politically self aware. I've never met a FTM who would entertain the thought of a threesome, for example, with a male/female couple who wasn't already known to them very well. Many of them feel completely objectified by male/female couples - as I feel too. So when you consider that they're often not looking for single men or male/female couples, there isn't much on sites like this for them.
I mostly meet FTM's at lesbian clubs. But if you go looking for them there, just don't get them mixed up with a hot Butch/boi/Daddy. They're not the same thing. Not by a mile. |
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent.
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
Cool. Thank you for the reply.
There seem to be fewer around that I can see or maybe fewer identify as TV on their profile. Or maybe it is simply that fewer post in the forums. Either way we are yet to encounter a female TV. Your good self aside obviously.
The problem is finding people.
I don't label myself on sites like this as a TV/TS, even though I am technically TG. I got fed up with men telling me that my reconstructive surgery had been good, my breasts looked really natural and did I still have my penis to fuck them with? The default assumption is that a TS/TV is male to female, which drives many women who are female to male TV/TG away from sites likes this.
In addition there's the obsession with bisexual women. Most FTM's, in my experience, are extremely politically self aware. I've never met a FTM who would entertain the thought of a threesome, for example, with a male/female couple who wasn't already known to them very well. Many of them feel completely objectified by male/female couples - as I feel too. So when you consider that they're often not looking for single men or male/female couples, there isn't much on sites like this for them.
I mostly meet FTM's at lesbian clubs. But if you go looking for them there, just don't get them mixed up with a hot Butch/boi/Daddy. They're not the same thing. Not by a mile."
Aye. Finding is hard.
Tell me a thing then.
If you (generic you, not you in particular as you obviously do not need to give any personal details about your feelings unless you want !) had a sex change. Why would you identify as transgender and not the gender which you feel is most appropriate?
For instance if someone were born as a male but with a female body and they went through the whole or even part or none of the process of changing their bodies to resemble the sex that their gender aligns with. Why identify as trans? Why not identify as male? If that is how you feel?
Obviously if you feel somewhere in between then you may wish to identify therein. |
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"Tell me a thing then.
If you (generic you, not you in particular as you obviously do not need to give any personal details about your feelings unless you want !) had a sex change. Why would you identify as transgender and not the gender which you feel is most appropriate?
For instance if someone were born as a male but with a female body and they went through the whole or even part or none of the process of changing their bodies to resemble the sex that their gender aligns with. Why identify as trans? Why not identify as male? If that is how you feel?
Obviously if you feel somewhere in between then you may wish to identify therein. "
Because being transgender is a large part of some individuals history and identity. I was born a woman, I have lived part of my life as a man, and now I live somewhere between the two. My experiences are unique and they make up a large part of me as a person. To pretend that didn't happen to me, to write it out of my identity, why would I do that? My gender defines so much about me as a person, and it has given me experiences that I would not have otherwise had.
In addition, it's not as simple as you seem to think as to where you identify. For instance, while 'top surgery' is relatively easy for both MTF and FTM to have (breast implants or breast removal respectively) bottom surgery is an awful lot harder. And it's about a thousand times harder for FTM than it is for MTF. So many transpeople do not have the genital's that would be expected from the gender that they are now recognised as, and so they make that clear on sites like this so that there are no surprises later. FTM penises and MTF vaginas just aren't quite the same as their fellow men and women's, so it can be hard to identify the same way as your penises.
Also it can be very hard to legally change your gender, even after living as the opposite sex and having surgery. Some people might not be comfortable identifying as a status that isn't their legal gender. |
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Most of my female friends wear what are usually thought to be men's clothing - I just think of them as utilitarian clothes without any particular attachment to either gender... perhaps it's just my upbringing. |
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"Tell me a thing then.
If you (generic you, not you in particular as you obviously do not need to give any personal details about your feelings unless you want !) had a sex change. Why would you identify as transgender and not the gender which you feel is most appropriate?
For instance if someone were born as a male but with a female body and they went through the whole or even part or none of the process of changing their bodies to resemble the sex that their gender aligns with. Why identify as trans? Why not identify as male? If that is how you feel?
Obviously if you feel somewhere in between then you may wish to identify therein.
Because being transgender is a large part of some individuals history and identity. I was born a woman, I have lived part of my life as a man, and now I live somewhere between the two. My experiences are unique and they make up a large part of me as a person. To pretend that didn't happen to me, to write it out of my identity, why would I do that? My gender defines so much about me as a person, and it has given me experiences that I would not have otherwise had.
In addition, it's not as simple as you seem to think as to where you identify. For instance, while 'top surgery' is relatively easy for both MTF and FTM to have (breast implants or breast removal respectively) bottom surgery is an awful lot harder. And it's about a thousand times harder for FTM than it is for MTF. So many transpeople do not have the genital's that would be expected from the gender that they are now recognised as, and so they make that clear on sites like this so that there are no surprises later. FTM penises and MTF vaginas just aren't quite the same as their fellow men and women's, so it can be hard to identify the same way as your penises.
Also it can be very hard to legally change your gender, even after living as the opposite sex and having surgery. Some people might not be comfortable identifying as a status that isn't their legal gender."
An interesting part there for me is how your gender defines much about you. That is an interesting difference. My gender defines very little of me and I can safely say the same for both of us in our relationship.
If someone were to ask how I defined myself, I would have to simply tell them my name or ask them to provide a context to which I could provide relevant information. As one particular descriptor which makes up my being is insufficient to define me in any way whatsoever. (With the exception of pedantic possibly)
Therefore I find people whose primary identification is achieved by simply describing one facet of their being particularly interesting.
Could it be that because your gender has been the cause of so much change in your life that you feel it's presence more strongly?
(Obviously do not think you must answer that if you do not wish to)
I am certainly not seeking to criticise or belittle anyone who identifies themselves in such a way as each person may identify as they so wish. I simply find how some people make a very big deal out of one or two parts of their being and it forms the basis to so much of their actions. |
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"Could it be that because your gender has been the cause of so much change in your life that you feel it's presence more strongly?
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Yes. My gender affects pretty much everything in my life. Both politically and practically.
On the practical side - imagine this. (I am assuming that you are the male part of the couples profile). Every time you fill in a form (official forms, bank accounts, credit cards, phone contracts, websites, GP surgery, anything at all) you were only presented with these two options:
- Female
- Transgender
Which one would you tick? Clearly you're not female. And you're not transgender either. So how do you express on an official form that you aren't one or the other? What if you tried to register for a website and you couldn't continue because it was forcing you to pick one of those two options?
What about if every time you went into a shop someone said 'Hello Miss' and you had to correct them to say 'It's Mr, actually'.
What about if being male was something people believed you had 'chosen' in order to be difficult and 'unique'?
How about if every time you said 'I'm male' someone said to you 'it's just a phrase, you'll grow out of it'. Or even worse 'how do you expect me to remember that you're male? Can't you be a normal gender?'
What about if in every shop you went into, you could only buy clothes that you liked if they didn't fit your body shape? If you wanted to buy clothes that fitted you, you had to buy the clothes for another gender that you didn't identify as? Imagine for instance if you identified as 'male', but you could only buy clothes designed to fit women?
How about if every time you wanted to use the toilet in a public place you had to decide between 'female' or 'transgender' because there was no 'male' toilet? And then every time you used the bathroom you wondered if you were about to get abused verbally or physically?
What about if you knew the police would take sex crimes committed against you less seriously, because many of them believe that somehow brought it on yourself by not conforming to 'normal'?
Can you see how that could begin to affect everything you do in life? |
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent.
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
Cool. Thank you for the reply.
There seem to be fewer around that I can see or maybe fewer identify as TV on their profile. Or maybe it is simply that fewer post in the forums. Either way we are yet to encounter a female TV. Your good self aside obviously.
The problem is finding people.
I don't label myself on sites like this as a TV/TS, even though I am technically TG. I got fed up with men telling me that my reconstructive surgery had been good, my breasts looked really natural and did I still have my penis to fuck them with? The default assumption is that a TS/TV is male to female, which drives many women who are female to male TV/TG away from sites likes this.
In addition there's the obsession with bisexual women. Most FTM's, in my experience, are extremely politically self aware. I've never met a FTM who would entertain the thought of a threesome, for example, with a male/female couple who wasn't already known to them very well. Many of them feel completely objectified by male/female couples - as I feel too. So when you consider that they're often not looking for single men or male/female couples, there isn't much on sites like this for them.
I mostly meet FTM's at lesbian clubs. But if you go looking for them there, just don't get them mixed up with a hot Butch/boi/Daddy. They're not the same thing. Not by a mile."
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"Are there any woman here who cross dress?
The only TVs we see are men dressed as women.
Presumably on a site this large there is the full gamut of human behaviour but it is not immediately apparent.
Yes, I do. I have met quite a few other women who do too.
Cool. Thank you for the reply.
There seem to be fewer around that I can see or maybe fewer identify as TV on their profile. Or maybe it is simply that fewer post in the forums. Either way we are yet to encounter a female TV. Your good self aside obviously.
The problem is finding people.
I don't label myself on sites like this as a TV/TS, even though I am technically TG. I got fed up with men telling me that my reconstructive surgery had been good, my breasts looked really natural and did I still have my penis to fuck them with? The default assumption is that a TS/TV is male to female, which drives many women who are female to male TV/TG away from sites likes this.
In addition there's the obsession with bisexual women. Most FTM's, in my experience, are extremely politically self aware. I've never met a FTM who would entertain the thought of a threesome, for example, with a male/female couple who wasn't already known to them very well. Many of them feel completely objectified by male/female couples - as I feel too. So when you consider that they're often not looking for single men or male/female couples, there isn't much on sites like this for them.
I mostly meet FTM's at lesbian clubs. But if you go looking for them there, just don't get them mixed up with a hot Butch/boi/Daddy. They're not the same thing. Not by a mile."
For me the starting point is to rejoice in what people choose to be for themselves.
Last thing i want is a world created by my tunnel vision.L |
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"Tell me a thing then.
If you (generic you, not you in particular as you obviously do not need to give any personal details about your feelings unless you want !) had a sex change. Why would you identify as transgender and not the gender which you feel is most appropriate?
For instance if someone were born as a male but with a female body and they went through the whole or even part or none of the process of changing their bodies to resemble the sex that their gender aligns with. Why identify as trans? Why not identify as male? If that is how you feel?
Obviously if you feel somewhere in between then you may wish to identify therein.
Because being transgender is a large part of some individuals history and identity. I was born a woman, I have lived part of my life as a man, and now I live somewhere between the two. My experiences are unique and they make up a large part of me as a person. To pretend that didn't happen to me, to write it out of my identity, why would I do that? My gender defines so much about me as a person, and it has given me experiences that I would not have otherwise had.
In addition, it's not as simple as you seem to think as to where you identify. For instance, while 'top surgery' is relatively easy for both MTF and FTM to have (breast implants or breast removal respectively) bottom surgery is an awful lot harder. And it's about a thousand times harder for FTM than it is for MTF. So many transpeople do not have the genital's that would be expected from the gender that they are now recognised as, and so they make that clear on sites like this so that there are no surprises later. FTM penises and MTF vaginas just aren't quite the same as their fellow men and women's, so it can be hard to identify the same way as your penises.
Also it can be very hard to legally change your gender, even after living as the opposite sex and having surgery. Some people might not be comfortable identifying as a status that isn't their legal gender.
An interesting part there for me is how your gender defines much about you. That is an interesting difference. My gender defines very little of me and I can safely say the same for both of us in our relationship.
If someone were to ask how I defined myself, I would have to simply tell them my name or ask them to provide a context to which I could provide relevant information. As one particular descriptor which makes up my being is insufficient to define me in any way whatsoever. (With the exception of pedantic possibly)
Therefore I find people whose primary identification is achieved by simply describing one facet of their being particularly interesting.
Could it be that because your gender has been the cause of so much change in your life that you feel it's presence more strongly?
(Obviously do not think you must answer that if you do not wish to)
I am certainly not seeking to criticise or belittle anyone who identifies themselves in such a way as each person may identify as they so wish. I simply find how some people make a very big deal out of one or two parts of their being and it forms the basis to so much of their actions."
You didn't ask me, but for me this possible overemphasis of gender partly reflects conflicts and barriers I've faced and pushed against the largest part of my life but importantly the restrictions that I perceive from others concerning gender, including my own.
From simple form filling, at a micro level, where asked to state my gender - when is it really any business of a service provider to demand this! To societal expectations to fit in, and perceived hostility when I perhaps haven't. Clothes are an aspect of external communication and integration but are superficial.
Still at a personal level I'm individual and differ from others going through similar experiences. I might join fab next week and define my gender differently - my definition is somewhat to assist others' understandings though partly a reflection of me.
Taken the discussion somewhat off track, so apologies. In some respects we're all learning and finding our way, and I mean all of us, with each other. |
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"On a less important note (but one that annoys me) it should be "women dressing as men" not females dressing as males"."
I am never sure about the difference between women and females.
I assume it is more than simple courtesy?
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"On a less important note (but one that annoys me) it should be "women dressing as men" not females dressing as males".
I am never sure about the difference between women and females.
I assume it is more than simple courtesy?
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"Female" is the word for an animal that has female gender.
"Woman" is the word for a female human.
"Female" is often used (sometimes unintentionally) as a way of dehumanising women and pushing down their status. It's actually the scientific term for "the sex of a species that is capable of producing children". It reduces a woman to her reproductive organs and not alot else.
It's especially grating in this particular context where you're discussing people that might have a dispensation to being "not female" it can be a distinct reminder that we're not fulfilling our duty as set out by nature. It also erases transwomen and intersex people, who were not born with the ability to have children naturally.
In addition, nobody generally refers to men as 'males' (title of this thread excluded). You don't say 'I'm looking for some males for a fuck' or 'I saw some males down the pub'. You're looking for some men for a fuck. You saw some men down the pub. The language used goes back to that idea of humanising men and dehumanising women.
It's also just *wrong* grammatically. "I had sex with a female yesterday". A female what? A female panda? A female courgette flower? You had sex with a woman yesterday, not a female. |
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