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"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. " Guess again... | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. Guess again... " lol  off to a good start then  | |||
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"Only way to keep learning, otherwise you can end up an opinionated berk, good on you mate. "I don't think I'm an opiniated berk | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. Guess again... lol off to a good start then "Most people are on here to let off steam, not debate. Some actually exchange intelligent conversation and believe me there are some very smart and interesting people on here to exchange _iews with. You get upset because you can't tell the difference. | |||
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"Only way to keep learning, otherwise you can end up an opinionated berk, good on you mate. I don't think I'm an opiniated berk"I am!... | |||
"You sound like a prime candidate for ISIS. Not all thinking about thinking should result in a complete turn around. Wisdom isn't taking the opposite _iew after reading/hearing/seeing. More it's understanding that there are other _iews. " Exactly this | |||
"Only way to keep learning, otherwise you can end up an opinionated berk, good on you mate. I don't think I'm an opiniated berk
I am!..."your not alone, lots of you on here | |||
"Only way to keep learning, otherwise you can end up an opinionated berk, good on you mate. I don't think I'm an opiniated berk"Of course you're not, I would though. | |||
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"What's your thoughts on cake? As in what makes a cake a cake? " A cake goes dry in the air. A biscuit goes soggy. That is what makes a cake a cake. | |||
"What's your thoughts on cake? As in what makes a cake a cake? " Moistness, everytime, I had an homemade Vikky sponge in Whitby once, dry as a camels chuff it was, never again.  | |||
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"What's your thoughts on cake? As in what makes a cake a cake? Moistness, everytime, I had an homemade Vikky sponge in Whitby once, dry as a camels chuff it was, never again. "when did you start testing the humidity levels of camel fanny ? | |||
"What's your thoughts on cake? As in what makes a cake a cake? Moistness, everytime, I had an homemade Vikky sponge in Whitby once, dry as a camels chuff it was, never again.
when did you start testing the humidity levels of camel fanny ?"My field of expertise I'll have you know. | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! " But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. " Read it again Nordy. | |||
"No, I am always right." We all know that! | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! " I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. | |||
"At school I tried to join the debating society, but somebody talked me out of it " | |||
"No, I am always right. We all know that!" | |||
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"It shows intelligence by being open to different beliefs/subjects etc when many are just stubborn or ignorant. Also shows that there isn't really a right or wrong answer to everything. Just pros and cons " Open yes. Emptied and Refilled no. | |||
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"I like to read things that are the opposite of my _iews on a topic (generally political stuff) to try and understand the other side. More often than not it tends to confirm my own way of thinking, but I feel understanding the opposing _iew makes it easier to argue against. " Well said!  | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. " . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! | |||
"I grew up in Catholic Ireland, stopped believing in God around the same time as santa claus. Nothing I've read our seen since has brought me back to Christianity or any theism. But still respect everyone's beliefs. Politically I've only recently moved from right to left but still would class myself as a realist. Don't blindly accept any dogma that you hear on the news or in the papers. Read as much as you can and inform your own _iews. Don't just repeat the things you read in papers or on the news. Try to go deeper. " How dare you dispute the existence of the one, true Santa  | |||
I like to question the validity of my theorys and conclusions on an ongoing basis
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette!" I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. Guess again... " Pmsl xxxx Hugs to the direct people lol xx | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. " I would think that disclaimer is implicit in most people's facts. | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. " . No I dislike roulette as I'm superstitious  | |||
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"I don't have set in stone beliefs. I leave my mind wide open. There is no right or wrong. " .aggghhhh a Buddhist | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. Guess again... Pmsl xxxx Hugs to the direct people lol xx" The thing is some people take the forums way too seriously, get upset and take things personally. See it for what it is and you'll have a lot more fun. | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. I would think that disclaimer is implicit in most people's facts. " You think that because you're open minded. Other people like the Hitler fan on the thread the other day - not so much... | |||
"I don't have set in stone beliefs. I leave my mind wide open. There is no right or wrong. .aggghhhh a Buddhist "I have the body of Buddha but that's about it. Not that I know anything about Buddhism,I may be part of a religion after all  | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. I would think that disclaimer is implicit in most people's facts. You think that because you're open minded. Other people like the Hitler fan on the thread the other day - not so much... "
Glad I missed that thread.... | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! I don't believe anything can be 100% certain unless you know, with certainty, the entire make up of the physical universe and exactly how the human brain works. That means you have you fully understand what is going on around you and the biases of how you interprete it. When you look into those things, physics is immature and neurobiology is an infant. I therefore derive that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. But I'm a gambler anyway so 99% is good enough for me. . Probability is how the world works but you can only have a guestimate if you have some facts?. Then you can mix in your beliefs on how those facts might make a certain outcome. I like a game of cards! But I'm not keen on roulette! I just think every 'fact' should come with a disclaimer that says "based on everything we presently know about the world, which can and will change". There were British black swans or any reason to believe black swans existed until Willem de Vlamingh found some in Australia in 1697. People went generations believing it was a fact all swans were white (or grey at Birth) and there was no reason to think differently. But no evidence of Black Swans is not evidence of no Black Swans. A tautology that most people struggle to apply properly. I would think that disclaimer is implicit in most people's facts. You think that because you're open minded. Other people like the Hitler fan on the thread the other day - not so much...
Glad I missed that thread...."Honestly - it was the ONLY time I've been genuinely offended on here. I've weighed in on debates on religion, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, immigrants, refugees and never saw someone make such a pick of themselves. | |||
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"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!. "Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic | |||
"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!.
Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic". He was the poster boy of the Nazi party,I guess the buck stopped there!. Of course that's a belief as there's no actual factual evidence that Hitler ordered any Jewish extermination camps, so we're back to square one | |||
"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!.
Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic"I do hope you feel we can call the Holocaust a fact ? | |||
"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!.
Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic
I do hope you feel we can call the Holocaust a fact ?". What strange parallel thinking | |||
"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!.
Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic.
He was the poster boy of the Nazi party,I guess the buck stopped there!.
Of course that's a belief as there's no actual factual evidence that Hitler ordered any Jewish extermination camps, so we're back to square one "Ahh the good old 'CEO's first line of defence' argument, as recently popularised by the News of the World - "I didn't know all our best information came from phone hacking" (read: I fully confess to being a fucking moron instead). Of course that argument rests on the false assumption a leader needs to order something to make it happen in their organisation. Anyone who has ever had a shit boss will intuitively understand what's wrong with it. You do love your devils advocate arguments - anyway I'm happy with my 99% probability on the matter | |||
"Ahh that Hitler chap, he always gets the bad rap!.
Yeah the death of one is a tragedy but the death of a million is a just a statistic.
He was the poster boy of the Nazi party,I guess the buck stopped there!.
Of course that's a belief as there's no actual factual evidence that Hitler ordered any Jewish extermination camps, so we're back to square one
Ahh the good old 'CEO's first line of defence' argument, as recently popularised by the News of the World - "I didn't know all our best information came from phone hacking" (read: I fully confess to being a fucking moron instead).
Of course that argument rests on the false assumption a leader needs to order something to make it happen in their organisation. Anyone who has ever had a shit boss will intuitively understand what's wrong with it.
You do love your devils advocate arguments - anyway I'm happy with my 99% probability on the matter ". No I'm perfectly happy with your answer! I just wish we applied it across the board | |||
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"I like using data to form probabilities So facts can not exist but 93 percent probabilities can ?" Nothing bores me quicker than argument over semantics so I'll summarise by saying that an analyst who remains open to the possibility they could be wrong is a better analyst. | |||
"I like using data to form probabilities So facts can not exist but 93 percent probabilities can ? Nothing bores me quicker than argument over semantics so I'll summarise by saying that an analyst who remains open to the possibility they could be wrong is a better analyst. " An analyst would probably say it is probable that they would indeed be wrong and to calculate that more accurately they would need to clearly define what wrong meant because wrong is a subjective parameter | |||
"I like using data to form probabilities So facts can not exist but 93 percent probabilities can ? Nothing bores me quicker than argument over semantics so I'll summarise by saying that an analyst who remains open to the possibility they could be wrong is a better analyst. An analyst would probably say it is probable that they would indeed be wrong and to calculate that more accurately they would need to clearly define what wrong meant because wrong is a subjective parameter" Well a good analyst can accurately predict future events within a given probability. Wrong is the opposite. | |||
The whole vegetarianism thing is difficult. I guess I haven't really sat down and watched "the grizzly truth" about the meat industry... although I have watched a few docs and have a pretty good sense that it isn't nice. It was somewhat challenging, however, to help a small farming family in Italy slaughter their own pig. Very eye opening, but I don't know if it changed my mind on things.
Similarly, when we lived up in yorkshire I became friends with a bunch of pensioners who were radical Catholics lol As radical as a cup of tea and a biscuit can be I guess. Some of them were very racist... but it was interesting hearing their _iews, even though I disagreed deeply with them.. and I guess since then some of the issues they were talking about have gained more sympathy amongst some brits... although I'm not that way inclined myself.
When I was taught screenwriting it was instilled into me the importance of asking why this character is the way they are, to listen to people's stories, and try and empathise. That doesn't mean you need to change your own way of looking at things... simply that you're willing to expose yourself to others who see things differently from yourself
p.s. the "open-minded people are potential candidates for ISIS" remark made me chuckle enjoying the debate guys... keep it up | |||
"A few good replies from people who have challenged themselves by exposing themselves to new _iews or experiences that test their assumptions
The whole vegetarianism thing is difficult. I guess I haven't really sat down and watched "the grizzly truth" about the meat industry... although I have watched a few docs and have a pretty good sense that it isn't nice. It was somewhat challenging, however, to help a small farming family in Italy slaughter their own pig. Very eye opening, but I don't know if it changed my mind on things.
Similarly, when we lived up in yorkshire I became friends with a bunch of pensioners who were radical Catholics lol As radical as a cup of tea and a biscuit can be I guess. Some of them were very racist... but it was interesting hearing their _iews, even though I disagreed deeply with them.. and I guess since then some of the issues they were talking about have gained more sympathy amongst some brits... although I'm not that way inclined myself.
When I was taught screenwriting it was instilled into me the importance of asking why this character is the way they are, to listen to people's stories, and try and empathise. That doesn't mean you need to change your own way of looking at things... simply that you're willing to expose yourself to others who see things differently from yourself
p.s. the "open-minded people are potential candidates for ISIS" remark made me chuckle enjoying the debate guys... keep it up "Racist catholics!!! What did they have Jesus down as - the blond hair and blue eyes type? | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy." Sorry, my head is fucked today.  | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today. "is that a statement of fact or a belief? | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief? "trust me, it's a fact, proved by science. | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. I thought it would make an interesting thread to hear people's stories of how they've changed their minds on certain things or experiences they opened themselves up to which were either challenging or which changed their thinking. For example, I was very left wing, and still am a fan of Chomsky... then I decided to read lots of right wing stuff, and became more of an anarchist as a result. I was also very green, and still am to an extent, but I also challenge myself by reading up on arguments against global warming etc. I was also a nihilist, and challenged that too and am now a theist... which I am also currently challenging by reading lots of atheist literature. I have been a member of a debating group comprised of scientists, psychics, people who believe in fairies, humanists, new agers, and all sorts. As we all have a laugh together, we can see past each others differences, and have had some extremely thought provoking talks on anything from the non-existence of Jesus to a demonstration of psychism. In some ways I like this forum precisely because of this same kind of ecclectic mix of opinions, although it sometimes leads to upsets because we haven't all met each other and its easy to imagine someone as being very diffrent from who they are in real life. So over to you... in what ways have you challenged your own thinking? "In the process of changing my thinking about a lot of things. For instance, I think there's something wrong with me when I have been unable to get a meet in a while. I'm working on believing that is not true. | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science. "oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief | |||
" So over to you... in what ways have you challenged your own thinking? "I like to date people who are different to me. My long term partner describes himself as 'difficult' and his radical _iews about relationships (and life in general) challenge me on a regular basis. I used to believe that the only way in life was to get a man, get married, get job, get babies, etc but in the last four or five years everything had changed for me. Questioning everything rather than just following the default has led me to refine my own personal beliefs in these area. I got sterilized, I got polyamorous and I believe that marriage is a tool of the state and should actually have no legal place in society (if people want to have ceremonies to express their love, then so be it - but it shouldn't affect tax or legal status). My newer partner actually helped me to come to that understanding, being someone who is separated from his wife. Starting university two years ago woke me up to a whole new world of intellectual challenge. Studying art history assaulted just about every long-held belief that I had on almost every subject. It was an absolute assault on my brain and I'm thankful for the opportunity to go to university at the age of 28. I don't think I really understood the world around me in any great depth before that. I was just floating along with everyone else. Now I'm consciously making every decision in my life. Most recently I've been working through more of my _iews on relationships. I've always felt like I was pretending in relationships so I challenged myself to get to the bottom of how I felt about that kind of stuff. Research led me to the discovery of the term 'aromantic' which is now how I identify. I'm an aromantic relationship anarchist. And it's quite satisfying to have a label. Other than that? I guess I like to challenge my body. My current obsession is precision airsoft competition based on close quarters combat. It's great. Fantastic. This week I learned how to take airsoft pistols apart and upgrade them. Not what you'd expect from an art history student whose other hobby's are textiles and photography, I guess. | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief ". We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately. Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day. If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God. | |||
"I like using data to form probabilities So facts can not exist but 93 percent probabilities can ? Nothing bores me quicker than argument over semantics so I'll summarise by saying that an analyst who remains open to the possibility they could be wrong is a better analyst. " . So what's the chance that hitler was a jolly nice fellow who was a the victim of bad publicity! | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
"The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying. | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying.". Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt! He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy! Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life! | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!"You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!
You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. ". That sounds to much like a boss and work which is probably why I work for myself
So to get this straight, gods powerful enough to create the entire universe but not powerful enough to make me perfect, so I have to work at being perfect, so I can get into his perfect kingdom?
Why not just make me perfect in the first place and then we wouldn't need a kingdom!, even better why not just make earth heaven, make us all without sin and let us live here in perfectness
It all just sounds a bit... Well fucked up, like he couldn't really be arsed and had something better to do in another galaxy, which maybe he did but that means he really doesn't give a shit what we're all upto, in fact he's a feckless father and he's probably down the pub or busy fucking some goddess he met there! | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!
You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. .
That sounds to much like a boss and work which is probably why I work for myself
So to get this straight, gods powerful enough to create the entire universe but not powerful enough to make me perfect, so I have to work at being perfect, so I can get into his perfect kingdom?
Why not just make me perfect in the first place and then we wouldn't need a kingdom!, even better why not just make earth heaven, make us all without sin and let us live here in perfectness
It all just sounds a bit... Well fucked up, like he couldn't really be arsed and had something better to do in another galaxy, which maybe he did but that means he really doesn't give a shit what we're all upto, in fact he's a feckless father and he's probably down the pub or busy fucking some goddess he met there!"The small matter of 'free will' - something I assumed you were appreciative of! | |||
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"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!
You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. .
That sounds to much like a boss and work which is probably why I work for myself
So to get this straight, gods powerful enough to create the entire universe but not powerful enough to make me perfect, so I have to work at being perfect, so I can get into his perfect kingdom?
Why not just make me perfect in the first place and then we wouldn't need a kingdom!, even better why not just make earth heaven, make us all without sin and let us live here in perfectness
It all just sounds a bit... Well fucked up, like he couldn't really be arsed and had something better to do in another galaxy, which maybe he did but that means he really doesn't give a shit what we're all upto, in fact he's a feckless father and he's probably down the pub or busy fucking some goddess he met there!
The small matter of 'free will' - something I assumed you were appreciative of! "Well your either free or your not! The minute you imply rules, your no longer free. | |||
" So over to you... in what ways have you challenged your own thinking?
Starting university two years ago woke me up to a whole new world of intellectual challenge. Studying art history assaulted just about every long-held belief that I had on almost every subject. It was an absolute assault on my brain and I'm thankful for the opportunity to go to university at the age of 28. I don't think I really understood the world around me in any great depth before that. I was just floating along with everyone else. Now I'm consciously making every decision in my life."Great to hear your story Wasp... I've gotta say art history blew my head up too. I couldn't get enough of it... postmodernism, cultural studies, semiotics, deconstructivism... at least that's the kind of thing that was going on when I went to college. For people who can't really see why the history of a bunch of paintings and stuff might be mind blowing.. it's because it's basically a kinda history of philosophy or ways of seeing the world that's one mamma of a roller coaster.. but with pretty pictures too | |||
"I don't know... what is it with you guys and this whole god thing??? ". Were debating which position in the menarge a trois were in Gods on top I'm in the middle he's on the bottom | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!
You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. .
That sounds to much like a boss and work which is probably why I work for myself
So to get this straight, gods powerful enough to create the entire universe but not powerful enough to make me perfect, so I have to work at being perfect, so I can get into his perfect kingdom?
Why not just make me perfect in the first place and then we wouldn't need a kingdom!, even better why not just make earth heaven, make us all without sin and let us live here in perfectness
It all just sounds a bit... Well fucked up, like he couldn't really be arsed and had something better to do in another galaxy, which maybe he did but that means he really doesn't give a shit what we're all upto, in fact he's a feckless father and he's probably down the pub or busy fucking some goddess he met there!
The small matter of 'free will' - something I assumed you were appreciative of!
Well your either free or your not!
The minute you imply rules, your no longer free."Why? Free doesn't mean it's ok to do anything, not in any common use of the word anyway: - free speech - free markets - free trade Where's the contradiction? | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. I thought it would make an interesting thread to hear people's stories of how they've changed their minds on certain things or experiences they opened themselves up to which were either challenging or which changed their thinking. For example, I was very left wing, and still am a fan of Chomsky... then I decided to read lots of right wing stuff, and became more of an anarchist as a result. I was also very green, and still am to an extent, but I also challenge myself by reading up on arguments against global warming etc. I was also a nihilist, and challenged that too and am now a theist... which I am also currently challenging by reading lots of atheist literature. I have been a member of a debating group comprised of scientists, psychics, people who believe in fairies, humanists, new agers, and all sorts. As we all have a laugh together, we can see past each others differences, and have had some extremely thought provoking talks on anything from the non-existence of Jesus to a demonstration of psychism. In some ways I like this forum precisely because of this same kind of ecclectic mix of opinions, although it sometimes leads to upsets because we haven't all met each other and its easy to imagine someone as being very diffrent from who they are in real life. So over to you... in what ways have you challenged your own thinking? ". I am too busy doing things to spend too much time thinking. I just use past experience and plough on regardless . I work full time and also let out houses so the time available to think is limited . | |||
"The only thing I've leant is Never hold a belief as a fact and never hold an opinion you can't run out on in 30 seconds! But if it is an actual fact, there is no belief. Read it again Nordy. Sorry, my head is fucked today.
is that a statement of fact or a belief?
trust me, it's a fact, proved by science.
oh.. in that case, if its only been proven by science, I'll put it down as a belief .
We all have beliefs, it's intrinsic to our nature unfortunately.
Give me an opinionated berk over a Buddhist any day.
If there's a God he gave us the ability to think, rationalise and feel, which means he gave me the right to think he's a fucking idiot, now who's to blame me or God.
The choice, according to Christian doctrine, should be between blaming eve or the serpent rather than you or God. Just saying..
Yeah but if the entire universe is pre planned then all my rationality is pre planned which means he's calling himself a cunt!
He's either all seeing all knowing or he's quite frankly a bit of a cowboy!
Religious people want it both ways, he's all powerful but chooses to kill them on dodgy dinghys on the med, they pray he fucks them off, I don't pray I live a jolly good life!
You prefer a God who just gives away golden tickets to 72 virgins rather than one who makes you work for it? Not surprising. .
That sounds to much like a boss and work which is probably why I work for myself
So to get this straight, gods powerful enough to create the entire universe but not powerful enough to make me perfect, so I have to work at being perfect, so I can get into his perfect kingdom?
Why not just make me perfect in the first place and then we wouldn't need a kingdom!, even better why not just make earth heaven, make us all without sin and let us live here in perfectness
It all just sounds a bit... Well fucked up, like he couldn't really be arsed and had something better to do in another galaxy, which maybe he did but that means he really doesn't give a shit what we're all upto, in fact he's a feckless father and he's probably down the pub or busy fucking some goddess he met there!
The small matter of 'free will' - something I assumed you were appreciative of!
Well your either free or your not!
The minute you imply rules, your no longer free.
Why? Free doesn't mean it's ok to do anything, not in any common use of the word anyway:
- free speech
- free markets
- free trade
Where's the contradiction? "free booze? | |||
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"Chance would be a fine thing "I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by | |||
" I'm dismissive of what you say because I don't like what it makes me or takes me" That's called "being human" | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by ". No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme. Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by .
No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme.
Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault"How so? Free will = choices. Not all choices are equally good! My understanding is that heaven would frown up Gas chambers, but I'm only 99% sure | |||
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Similarly, I just know too much about the problems with the bible now for me to really be able to entertain Christianity... so even if I tried challenging myself (there's a lovely huggable Jehovahs Witness guy who were thinking of inviting round for tea) I can't really see anything coming from it.
Sometimes I worry that I'm getting too logical (queue a sarky comment from someone ) ... and that I wouldn't be open enough to recognise a real psychic (if such a thing exists) if one came my way... and so I try to keep an area round the back of my head free for "what if" thinking... just in case I need it. It'd be a shame to miss out on something really bonkers and fun just because I'd closed my eyes to it | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by .
No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme.
Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault"You know... I always had my suspicions he was framed | |||
"Joe enters hell where the devil tells him you're here for failing your science exams and disappointing your father. "You'll be on level 7 at the top" Joe laughs "could be worse" "Not really you dumb fuckwit, its the hottest part as heat rises" says satan "and you'd know that if you bothered studying for your fucking science exam. No relevance really Just, saying, there's no point over egging the custard if the dog won't bark "Made me laugh | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by .
No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme.
Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault
How so? Free will = choices. Not all choices are equally good! My understanding is that heaven would frown up Gas chambers, but I'm only 99% sure ". He gave you free will with full knowledge of where it would lead in an imperfect mind which he created! The God delusion, it absolves us of any wrong doing | |||
" Similarly, I just know too much about the problems with the bible now for me to really be able to entertain Christianity... " In my opinion, the biggest (theological) mistake the church made, was putting the old testament and new together. You may have noticed that God undergoes a personality transplant half way through the good book. Go see a Catholic Priest; outside of the gospels Catholics don't give a shit about the bible. | |||
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"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo...... ". English or Chinese? | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by .
No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme.
Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault
How so? Free will = choices. Not all choices are equally good! My understanding is that heaven would frown up Gas chambers, but I'm only 99% sure .
He gave you free will with full knowledge of where it would lead in an imperfect mind which he created!
The God delusion, it absolves us of any wrong doing"Maybe but it doesn't absolve you. I could argue that I'm biologically wired to be non monogamous, I think I am - maybe I am, maybe I'm not - but it's my choice to get into the swinging lifestyle and I'll accept any consequences of that. | |||
"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo...... "Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought brown sauce and curry sauce were different? | |||
"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo...... .
English or Chinese?"I embrace the diversity of humanity and feel that we should try to avoid 'putting label's on things' but good old English fish and chip shop curry.... mixed up to fuck with radioactive curry powder from god knows where...
I do believe its origins have the similarities of the Chinese Varity however. | |||
"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo......
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought brown sauce and curry sauce were different? "two separate stories.... as in the old and new testament.... and you thought I don't rad the thread.... | |||
"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo......
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought brown sauce and curry sauce were different?
two separate stories.... as in the old and new testament.... and you thought I don't rad the thread....
"read even... | |||
"Similarly, I just know too much about the problems with the bible now for me to really be able to entertain Christianity... In my opinion, the biggest (theological) mistake the church made, was putting the old testament and new together. You may have noticed that God undergoes a personality transplant half way through the good book. Go see a Catholic Priest; outside of the gospels Catholics don't give a shit about the bible." I hear you... definitely not a fan of the OT angry wrathful god... but as well as that, after reading "The Jesus Puzzle" I must say the guy makes a pretty darn convincing case that Jesus never existed... and that's really the clincher that renders the whole book... very interesting... but probaly not sacred imo | |||
"Chance would be a fine thing
I was gonna say if its a question of whether the word "free" means its ok to do anything... I'd say the phrase "free clothes at primark" would probably give you a good indication that, to some people, it does... or at least if the January sales are anything to go by .
No if God gave us free will, then he gave it Adolph Hitler so he could round up Jews and gas them because he felt it was the best thing for Germans.... Or he didn't give him free will to do this in which case God decreed this from the beginning in his grand scheme.
Either way it absolves Adolph Hitler of any fault
How so? Free will = choices. Not all choices are equally good! My understanding is that heaven would frown up Gas chambers, but I'm only 99% sure .
He gave you free will with full knowledge of where it would lead in an imperfect mind which he created!
The God delusion, it absolves us of any wrong doing
Maybe but it doesn't absolve you. I could argue that I'm biologically wired to be non monogamous, I think I am - maybe I am, maybe I'm not - but it's my choice to get into the swinging lifestyle and I'll accept any consequences of that. "That only explains the perpetrates of wrong doing.... What about the victims. Let's say two idiot parents give their two year old child a loaded gun to play with!. Free will or bad choice?... Bad choice OK but the two year old had no say in the bad choice so why did they suffer through gods ability to give people choice... I mean what a fucking stupid God giving choice to idiots with guns and kids, especially ones he knows to be fucktards | |||
" Made me laugh "Thanks. Fancy a shag? I'm taking all the stuff i need to greece to get "beach body" ready. White coat, mask, latex gloves. Too soon | |||
"Similarly, I just know too much about the problems with the bible now for me to really be able to entertain Christianity... In my opinion, the biggest (theological) mistake the church made, was putting the old testament and new together. You may have noticed that God undergoes a personality transplant half way through the good book. Go see a Catholic Priest; outside of the gospels Catholics don't give a shit about the bible. I hear you... definitely not a fan of the OT angry wrathful god... but as well as that, after reading "The Jesus Puzzle" I must say the guy makes a pretty darn convincing case that Jesus never existed... and that's really the clincher that renders the whole book... very interesting... but probaly not sacred imo" . The way I see it is three choices God is angry and vengeful and were all fucked for being bad people. God is an incompetent fucktard who really doesn't give a shit about you or your pathetic little life, in which case, not of it really matters. God doesn't exist, we still lead pathetic meaningless lives and not of it really matters | |||
"I always used to be a tomato ketchup on bacon kind of guy but after a lot of soul searching and meditation I opened my mind to brown sauce.... it truly was a revelation and now I do feel an all round better person in tune with my ying and yang I also would never had considered the idea of curry sauce on fish and chips, however when walking passed a group of dysfunctional youths who in my younger days I would have crossed the street to avoid I saw the very same fish and chips with curry sauce amongst their numbers. it goes to show how societies and media stereotypes instil pre conceptions in us all thereby creating negative thoughts but when you open your mind the possibilities are indeed endless.... straight to the chip shop for fish and chips with curry sauce..... ding dang fuckin doo......
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought brown sauce and curry sauce were different?
two separate stories.... as in the old and new testament.... and you thought I don't rad the thread....
"But there are three sauces in your story!? | |||
"That only explains the perpetrates of wrong doing.... What about the victims. Let's say two idiot parents give their two year old child a loaded gun to play with!. Free will or bad choice?... Bad choice OK but the two year old had no say in the bad choice so why did they suffer through gods ability to give people choice... I mean what a fucking stupid God giving choice to idiots with guns and kids, especially ones he knows to be fucktards "I call on the holy spirit to please stop working through Sexy-bum and making him write this stuff... either that or smite his keyboard with your glorious bolt of lightening . Amen | |||
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"Similarly, I just know too much about the problems with the bible now for me to really be able to entertain Christianity... In my opinion, the biggest (theological) mistake the church made, was putting the old testament and new together. You may have noticed that God undergoes a personality transplant half way through the good book. Go see a Catholic Priest; outside of the gospels Catholics don't give a shit about the bible. I hear you... definitely not a fan of the OT angry wrathful god... but as well as that, after reading "The Jesus Puzzle" I must say the guy makes a pretty darn convincing case that Jesus never existed... and that's really the clincher that renders the whole book... very interesting... but probaly not sacred imo" Really? To my knowledge nobody really disputes Saint Paul being executed in Rome - he was a romantic citizen after all and their record keeping was pretty good. I guess he just refused to denounce Jesus for the fuck of it? Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine is one thing. Saying he never existed farts on vast historical evidence. | |||
"The way I see it is three choices God is angry and vengeful and were all fucked for being bad people. God is an incompetent fucktard who really doesn't give a shit about you or your pathetic little life, in which case, not of it really matters. God doesn't exist, we still lead pathetic meaningless lives and not of it really matters "Oo oo oo I love multiple choice questions... let me see... is the answer E?
Reminds me of TS Lewis' three choices for Jesus...
Either Jesus is a lying pompous git
Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us
Or Jesus is the son of God
I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol | |||
"That only explains the perpetrates of wrong doing.... What about the victims. Let's say two idiot parents give their two year old child a loaded gun to play with!. Free will or bad choice?... Bad choice OK but the two year old had no say in the bad choice so why did they suffer through gods ability to give people choice... I mean what a fucking stupid God giving choice to idiots with guns and kids, especially ones he knows to be fucktards
I call on the holy spirit to please stop working through Sexy-bum and making him write this stuff... either that or smite his keyboard with your glorious bolt of lightening
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Amen "I call upon the glorious heavenly father to strike down upon those who take his name in vain, and further request dear lord provides me the 6 numbers that shall fall from the machine yet to be chosen by the national lottery (or euoromillions would be better) the next weeketh .... grant me in your infinite kindness the enlightenment to also pick a six horse accumulator... blessed is the word of the lord... | |||
"There's a fourth scenario We were all bad in a previous life and this is hell "Fifth scenario - God is beyond human logic and understanding | |||
"The way I see it is three choices God is angry and vengeful and were all fucked for being bad people. God is an incompetent fucktard who really doesn't give a shit about you or your pathetic little life, in which case, not of it really matters. God doesn't exist, we still lead pathetic meaningless lives and not of it really matters
Oo oo oo I love multiple choice questions... let me see... is the answer E?
Reminds me of TS Lewis' three choices for Jesus...
Either Jesus is a lying pompous git
Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us
Or Jesus is the son of God
I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol ". No I just think we all struggle with the concept of what seems like a meaningless existence! | |||
"There's a fourth scenario We were all bad in a previous life and this is hell
Fifth scenario - God is beyond human logic and understanding". Why because God decreed it so! | |||
"That only explains the perpetrates of wrong doing.... What about the victims. Let's say two idiot parents give their two year old child a loaded gun to play with!. Free will or bad choice?... Bad choice OK but the two year old had no say in the bad choice so why did they suffer through gods ability to give people choice... I mean what a fucking stupid God giving choice to idiots with guns and kids, especially ones he knows to be fucktards
I call on the holy spirit to please stop working through Sexy-bum and making him write this stuff... either that or smite his keyboard with your glorious bolt of lightening
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Amen
I call upon the glorious heavenly father to strike down upon those who take his name in vain, and further request dear lord provides me the 6 numbers that shall fall from the machine yet to be chosen by the national lottery (or euoromillions would be better) the next weeketh ....
grant me in your infinite kindness the enlightenment to also pick a six horse accumulator...
blessed is the word of the lord... "To be honest, if you had a heads up that, after 4 premier league games the top 4 would contain Leicester, Swansea and Crystal Palace then the odds on that would beat a six horse accumulator. | |||
"Really? To my knowledge nobody really disputes Saint Paul being executed in Rome - he was a romantic citizen after all and their record keeping was pretty good. I guess he just refused to denounce Jesus for the fuck of it? Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine is one thing. Saying he never existed farts on vast historical evidence. " Don't shoot the messenger... but "The Jesus Puzzle" makes a pretty compelling case that Paul never believed Jesus incarnated on Earth... indeed I don't think Jesus of Nazareth is mentioned once in his writings... it's only ever "The Christ"... instead he worshipped this Christ character as a god in heaven. Just relaying what that book said... if you're interested go read it... I read it too long ago to be able to defend it fully on this thread
...be warned though.. you probably won't come out of it a Christian... it's pretty darn convincing. If that doesn't feel comfortable to you... don't read it. It's fine to push ourselves beyond our comfort zones... but we should also look after ourselves and what we treasure most... once you lose something that meant something dear to you its difficult to get it back | |||
"The way I see it is three choices God is angry and vengeful and were all fucked for being bad people. God is an incompetent fucktard who really doesn't give a shit about you or your pathetic little life, in which case, not of it really matters. God doesn't exist, we still lead pathetic meaningless lives and not of it really matters
Oo oo oo I love multiple choice questions... let me see... is the answer E?
Reminds me of TS Lewis' three choices for Jesus...
Either Jesus is a lying pompous git
Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us
Or Jesus is the son of God
I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol .
No I just think we all struggle with the concept of what seems like a meaningless existence!"Yes and people also struggle with any form of authority that tells them some desirable pleasures are forbidden! | |||
"Really? To my knowledge nobody really disputes Saint Paul being executed in Rome - he was a romantic citizen after all and their record keeping was pretty good. I guess he just refused to denounce Jesus for the fuck of it? Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine is one thing. Saying he never existed farts on vast historical evidence. Don't shoot the messenger... but "The Jesus Puzzle" makes a pretty compelling case that Paul never believed Jesus incarnated on Earth... indeed I don't think Jesus of Nazareth is mentioned once in his writings... it's only ever "The Christ"... instead he worshipped this Christ character as a god in heaven. Just relaying what that book said... if you're interested go read it... I read it too long ago to be able to defend it fully on this thread
...be warned though.. you probably won't come out of it a Christian... it's pretty darn convincing. If that doesn't feel comfortable to you... don't read it. It's fine to push ourselves beyond our comfort zones... but we should also look after ourselves and what we treasure most... once you lose something that meant something dear to you its difficult to get it back ". If you can lose something dear to you that quickly, I dare say it wasn't worth holding dear! I used to love super noodles with scrabbled egg until I read how the noodles were made.... I used to love roast beef until I read how they killed the cows.. | |||
"The way I see it is three choices God is angry and vengeful and were all fucked for being bad people. God is an incompetent fucktard who really doesn't give a shit about you or your pathetic little life, in which case, not of it really matters. God doesn't exist, we still lead pathetic meaningless lives and not of it really matters
Oo oo oo I love multiple choice questions... let me see... is the answer E?
Reminds me of TS Lewis' three choices for Jesus...
Either Jesus is a lying pompous git
Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us
Or Jesus is the son of God
I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol .
No I just think we all struggle with the concept of what seems like a meaningless existence!
Yes and people also struggle with any form of authority that tells them some desirable pleasures are forbidden! ". Ah but some desirable pleasures are only so because authority says it's a no no! | |||
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"Ah but some desirable pleasures are only so because authority says it's a no no!" And that's precisely why some Christians are such kinky fuckers
We hippy types are more shame-free, celebratory and naive with our sexuality. None of this whips and chains malarky for us | |||
"Ah but some desirable pleasures are only so because authority says it's a no no! And that's precisely why some Christians are such kinky fuckers
We hippy types are more shame-free, celebratory and naive with our sexuality. None of this whips and chains malarky for us ". Ohhhh boo I was looking forward to whipping you as well
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"Really? To my knowledge nobody really disputes Saint Paul being executed in Rome - he was a romantic citizen after all and their record keeping was pretty good. I guess he just refused to denounce Jesus for the fuck of it? Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine is one thing. Saying he never existed farts on vast historical evidence. Don't shoot the messenger... but "The Jesus Puzzle" makes a pretty compelling case that Paul never believed Jesus incarnated on Earth... indeed I don't think Jesus of Nazareth is mentioned once in his writings... it's only ever "The Christ"... instead he worshipped this Christ character as a god in heaven. Just relaying what that book said... if you're interested go read it... I read it too long ago to be able to defend it fully on this thread
...be warned though.. you probably won't come out of it a Christian... it's pretty darn convincing. If that doesn't feel comfortable to you... don't read it. It's fine to push ourselves beyond our comfort zones... but we should also look after ourselves and what we treasure most... once you lose something that meant something dear to you its difficult to get it back "I wrote a proper reply but the site blocked it! No idea why. To be honest, if its so convincing why not take it to a Priest and let them give you the other side or heck, you might convert them. Better still, take it to a Rabbi, I bet the Jews would be delighted to learn that Jesus never existed... | |||
"Ah but some desirable pleasures are only so because authority says it's a no no! And that's precisely why some Christians are such kinky fuckers
We hippy types are more shame-free, celebratory and naive with our sexuality. None of this whips and chains malarky for us .
Ohhhh boo
I was looking forward to whipping you as well "Well... that was one way of converting us to Christianity that hadn't crossed my mind  Heck maybe ye olde JC really did exist? Your chains or mine? | |||
"Ah but some desirable pleasures are only so because authority says it's a no no! And that's precisely why some Christians are such kinky fuckers
We hippy types are more shame-free, celebratory and naive with our sexuality. None of this whips and chains malarky for us .
Ohhhh boo
I was looking forward to whipping you as well
"Never found whips and chains that kinky to be honest. But them I'm more into the psychological side of things. I think it's far more kinky to go to a sex club and be told who you can or can't have sex with and what you can or can't do. | |||
"To be honest, if its so convincing why not take it to a Priest and let them give you the other side or heck, you might convert them. Better still, take it to a Rabbi, I bet the Jews would be delighted to learn that Jesus never existed... " I hear what you're saying but it's not really all that important to me... and, contrary to what some might think on these forums, I'm not really the proselytizing kind... I found God without needing to convert to any Faith... so I'm happy being a free radical | |||
"To be honest, if its so convincing why not take it to a Priest and let them give you the other side or heck, you might convert them. Better still, take it to a Rabbi, I bet the Jews would be delighted to learn that Jesus never existed... I hear what you're saying but it's not really all that important to me... and, contrary to what some might think on these forums, I'm not really the proselytizing kind... I found God without needing to convert to any Faith... so I'm happy being a free radical "To be honest I just like to take a position and see if I can argue it convincingly. Beats crosswords... | |||
"Really? To my knowledge nobody really disputes Saint Paul being executed in Rome - he was a romantic citizen after all and their record keeping was pretty good. I guess he just refused to denounce Jesus for the fuck of it? Whether or not you believe Jesus was divine is one thing. Saying he never existed farts on vast historical evidence. Don't shoot the messenger... but "The Jesus Puzzle" makes a pretty compelling case that Paul never believed Jesus incarnated on Earth... indeed I don't think Jesus of Nazareth is mentioned once in his writings... it's only ever "The Christ"... instead he worshipped this Christ character as a god in heaven. Just relaying what that book said... if you're interested go read it... I read it too long ago to be able to defend it fully on this thread
...be warned though.. you probably won't come out of it a Christian... it's pretty darn convincing. If that doesn't feel comfortable to you... don't read it. It's fine to push ourselves beyond our comfort zones... but we should also look after ourselves and what we treasure most... once you lose something that meant something dear to you its difficult to get it back
I wrote a proper reply but the site blocked it! No idea why.
To be honest, if its so convincing why not take it to a Priest and let them give you the other side or heck, you might convert them.
Better still, take it to a Rabbi, I bet the Jews would be delighted to learn that Jesus never existed... "Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Dougal converted a bishop into a hippy
On another note, someone mentioned Buddha being a God earlier, just to clarify, nowhere in Buddhist scripture does it claim any of the Buddha's are gods. Merely teachers of morals. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have done a little reading into Buddhism to try and understand depression.
Further notes, the theory behind God's motives (if indeed there is a God) are all going to be skewed by our own interpretations of the universe, so his or her logic is beyond our understanding because we can't see the whole picture of everything that happens in the universe ever. For example, the human understanding of psychology, biology, and technology have progressed much further because of the world wars than they would have naturally, if he or she exists, he or she could have orchestrated the world wars just so our understanding of the world could increase. I don't personally believe that, but I think it's fairly convincing.
On yet another note, Jesus probably did exist, but was probably more like a Buddha as a teacher, but some of the stories got blown out of proportion by gossip, or, dare I say, someone making a joke or being sarcastic and someone taking the comments literally. I would actually find it interesting to find that out because I think it's highly probable that it happened that way.
It's also nice to hear people's stories about expanding their own horizons such as wasphunters. Very interesting reading | |||
"Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Dougal converted a bishop into a hippy
On another note, someone mentioned Buddha being a God earlier, just to clarify, nowhere in Buddhist scripture does it claim any of the Buddha's are gods. Merely teachers of morals. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have done a little reading into Buddhism to try and understand depression.
Further notes, the theory behind God's motives (if indeed there is a God) are all going to be skewed by our own interpretations of the universe, so his or her logic is beyond our understanding because we can't see the whole picture of everything that happens in the universe ever. For example, the human understanding of psychology, biology, and technology have progressed much further because of the world wars than they would have naturally, if he or she exists, he or she could have orchestrated the world wars just so our understanding of the world could increase. I don't personally believe that, but I think it's fairly convincing.
On yet another note, Jesus probably did exist, but was probably more like a Buddha as a teacher, but some of the stories got blown out of proportion by gossip, or, dare I say, someone making a joke or being sarcastic and someone taking the comments literally. I would actually find it interesting to find that out because I think it's highly probable that it happened that way.
It's also nice to hear people's stories about expanding their own horizons such as wasphunters. Very interesting reading"Good post dude. Just a couple of notes... some forms of Buddhism venerate the Buddha... this doesn't mean he's a god... but he becomes an extremely special human that kinda became a god... so it can be pretty close... some buddhists, for example, say prayers to the buddha and worship him etc. It did my head in when I found out that tibetan buddhism is pretty much this way inclined
On the Jesus existing front... I too tended to suspect that he was a normal guy who was turned into some freakish hero... however the phenomenon of midrash pretty much puty paid to that idea. This was something that jewish people did a lot around that time... they would take various aspects of the OT, chop it up, and make new stories out of it as moral fables. So the idea here is that Mark chopped up the OT, found stuff about a man god being born a virgin, arriving on a donkey, getting sacrificed... and even crucified... all of which can be found in the OT... and then told himself a nice new midrash tale out of those components. It's a novel twist on the whole thing that makes a lot of sense... especially when you realise that the other gospels basically plagiarise Mark's | |||
"There's a fourth scenario We were all bad in a previous life and this is hell
Fifth scenario - God is beyond human logic and understanding"Ah got to love christian logic xx You are right though I will never be able to understand why a creator would ever create parasites The free will argument is always a funny one It is alleged that giving so called free will is a gift and we could not be free humans IF we could not torture ourselves and other creatures Seems the free will of the three year old girl that is about to be raped, is less important than designing a human that would not have such a compulsion to rape I can understand the above as a creatorless evolved senareo I can't with a sentient thinking planing designing creator I don't think any of the creator concepts are beyond our logic to analyse their contradictions and inconsistencies | |||
"I aim for understanding
I like to question the validity of my theorys and conclusions on an ongoing basis
"Yup, me too. | |||
"I like to challenge my own thinking on things, as I guess most people on here do too. " I do, yes, and I am happy for the people I meet to challenge me too, in fact I enjoy it, I find it an excellent path to personal growth. I haven't got any particular stories, but yes, some people I have met on here have been very challenging | |||
"Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Dougal converted a bishop into a hippy
On another note, someone mentioned Buddha being a God earlier, just to clarify, nowhere in Buddhist scripture does it claim any of the Buddha's are gods. Merely teachers of morals. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have done a little reading into Buddhism to try and understand depression.
Further notes, the theory behind God's motives (if indeed there is a God) are all going to be skewed by our own interpretations of the universe, so his or her logic is beyond our understanding because we can't see the whole picture of everything that happens in the universe ever. For example, the human understanding of psychology, biology, and technology have progressed much further because of the world wars than they would have naturally, if he or she exists, he or she could have orchestrated the world wars just so our understanding of the world could increase. I don't personally believe that, but I think it's fairly convincing.
On yet another note, Jesus probably did exist, but was probably more like a Buddha as a teacher, but some of the stories got blown out of proportion by gossip, or, dare I say, someone making a joke or being sarcastic and someone taking the comments literally. I would actually find it interesting to find that out because I think it's highly probable that it happened that way.
It's also nice to hear people's stories about expanding their own horizons such as wasphunters. Very interesting reading
Good post dude. Just a couple of notes... some forms of Buddhism venerate the Buddha... this doesn't mean he's a god... but he becomes an extremely special human that kinda became a god... so it can be pretty close... some buddhists, for example, say prayers to the buddha and worship him etc. It did my head in when I found out that tibetan buddhism is pretty much this way inclined
On the Jesus existing front... I too tended to suspect that he was a normal guy who was turned into some freakish hero... however the phenomenon of midrash pretty much puty paid to that idea. This was something that jewish people did a lot around that time... they would take various aspects of the OT, chop it up, and make new stories out of it as moral fables. So the idea here is that Mark chopped up the OT, found stuff about a man god being born a virgin, arriving on a donkey, getting sacrificed... and even crucified... all of which can be found in the OT... and then told himself a nice new midrash tale out of those components. It's a novel twist on the whole thing that makes a lot of sense... especially when you realise that the other gospels basically plagiarise Mark's "Thanks, and yeah, I noticed a bit of that, but didn't progress further. I wasn't looking for a venerable being, so didn't waste my time on those aspects. I used to go to coe when I was younger, but never understood the relevance. Tbf, power rangers were way cooler, and even nowadays, I find I don't care for religion for religion's sake, but as a _iewport into what makes people tick. Psychology makes more sense. However, having said this, one thing that cannot be proven that I believe in is the law of attraction, basically, what's in your mind, you draw to you. This is kinda confusing because a three year old is not going to think about being raped, however, they haven't developed the cognitive functions to focus it, whereas the person taking advantage probably does, so it's like a magnetism of the mind, and the more focus generates more powerful magnets. The reason I believe in the law of attraction is because you have to want something to set your mind to getting it, the cognitive process for how is mostly subconscious, you just have to work at a plan and strategy and stick to your guns to get what you want | |||
"Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Dougal converted a bishop into a hippy
On another note, someone mentioned Buddha being a God earlier, just to clarify, nowhere in Buddhist scripture does it claim any of the Buddha's are gods. Merely teachers of morals. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have done a little reading into Buddhism to try and understand depression.
Further notes, the theory behind God's motives (if indeed there is a God) are all going to be skewed by our own interpretations of the universe, so his or her logic is beyond our understanding because we can't see the whole picture of everything that happens in the universe ever. For example, the human understanding of psychology, biology, and technology have progressed much further because of the world wars than they would have naturally, if he or she exists, he or she could have orchestrated the world wars just so our understanding of the world could increase. I don't personally believe that, but I think it's fairly convincing.
On yet another note, Jesus probably did exist, but was probably more like a Buddha as a teacher, but some of the stories got blown out of proportion by gossip, or, dare I say, someone making a joke or being sarcastic and someone taking the comments literally. I would actually find it interesting to find that out because I think it's highly probable that it happened that way.
It's also nice to hear people's stories about expanding their own horizons such as wasphunters. Very interesting reading
Good post dude. Just a couple of notes... some forms of Buddhism venerate the Buddha... this doesn't mean he's a god... but he becomes an extremely special human that kinda became a god... so it can be pretty close... some buddhists, for example, say prayers to the buddha and worship him etc. It did my head in when I found out that tibetan buddhism is pretty much this way inclined
On the Jesus existing front... I too tended to suspect that he was a normal guy who was turned into some freakish hero... however the phenomenon of midrash pretty much puty paid to that idea. This was something that jewish people did a lot around that time... they would take various aspects of the OT, chop it up, and make new stories out of it as moral fables. So the idea here is that Mark chopped up the OT, found stuff about a man god being born a virgin, arriving on a donkey, getting sacrificed... and even crucified... all of which can be found in the OT... and then told himself a nice new midrash tale out of those components. It's a novel twist on the whole thing that makes a lot of sense... especially when you realise that the other gospels basically plagiarise Mark's
Thanks, and yeah, I noticed a bit of that, but didn't progress further. I wasn't looking for a venerable being, so didn't waste my time on those aspects.
I used to go to coe when I was younger, but never understood the relevance. Tbf, power rangers were way cooler, and even nowadays, I find I don't care for religion for religion's sake, but as a _iewport into what makes people tick. Psychology makes more sense.
However, having said this, one thing that cannot be proven that I believe in is the law of attraction, basically, what's in your mind, you draw to you. This is kinda confusing because a three year old is not going to think about being raped, however, they haven't developed the cognitive functions to focus it, whereas the person taking advantage probably does, so it's like a magnetism of the mind, and the more focus generates more powerful magnets. The reason I believe in the law of attraction is because you have to want something to set your mind to getting it, the cognitive process for how is mostly subconscious, you just have to work at a plan and strategy and stick to your guns to get what you want"Leads into the question how do you decide what you want ? | |||
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"Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Dougal converted a bishop into a hippy
On another note, someone mentioned Buddha being a God earlier, just to clarify, nowhere in Buddhist scripture does it claim any of the Buddha's are gods. Merely teachers of morals. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have done a little reading into Buddhism to try and understand depression.
Further notes, the theory behind God's motives (if indeed there is a God) are all going to be skewed by our own interpretations of the universe, so his or her logic is beyond our understanding because we can't see the whole picture of everything that happens in the universe ever. For example, the human understanding of psychology, biology, and technology have progressed much further because of the world wars than they would have naturally, if he or she exists, he or she could have orchestrated the world wars just so our understanding of the world could increase. I don't personally believe that, but I think it's fairly convincing.
On yet another note, Jesus probably did exist, but was probably more like a Buddha as a teacher, but some of the stories got blown out of proportion by gossip, or, dare I say, someone making a joke or being sarcastic and someone taking the comments literally. I would actually find it interesting to find that out because I think it's highly probable that it happened that way.
It's also nice to hear people's stories about expanding their own horizons such as wasphunters. Very interesting reading
Good post dude. Just a couple of notes... some forms of Buddhism venerate the Buddha... this doesn't mean he's a god... but he becomes an extremely special human that kinda became a god... so it can be pretty close... some buddhists, for example, say prayers to the buddha and worship him etc. It did my head in when I found out that tibetan buddhism is pretty much this way inclined
On the Jesus existing front... I too tended to suspect that he was a normal guy who was turned into some freakish hero... however the phenomenon of midrash pretty much puty paid to that idea. This was something that jewish people did a lot around that time... they would take various aspects of the OT, chop it up, and make new stories out of it as moral fables. So the idea here is that Mark chopped up the OT, found stuff about a man god being born a virgin, arriving on a donkey, getting sacrificed... and even crucified... all of which can be found in the OT... and then told himself a nice new midrash tale out of those components. It's a novel twist on the whole thing that makes a lot of sense... especially when you realise that the other gospels basically plagiarise Mark's
Thanks, and yeah, I noticed a bit of that, but didn't progress further. I wasn't looking for a venerable being, so didn't waste my time on those aspects.
I used to go to coe when I was younger, but never understood the relevance. Tbf, power rangers were way cooler, and even nowadays, I find I don't care for religion for religion's sake, but as a _iewport into what makes people tick. Psychology makes more sense.
However, having said this, one thing that cannot be proven that I believe in is the law of attraction, basically, what's in your mind, you draw to you. This is kinda confusing because a three year old is not going to think about being raped, however, they haven't developed the cognitive functions to focus it, whereas the person taking advantage probably does, so it's like a magnetism of the mind, and the more focus generates more powerful magnets. The reason I believe in the law of attraction is because you have to want something to set your mind to getting it, the cognitive process for how is mostly subconscious, you just have to work at a plan and strategy and stick to your guns to get what you want
Leads into the question how do you decide what you want ?"Hahaha, that would be telling | |||
"I like to study a map and understand navigation before an important journey Sometimes however we discover the magic when we are lost " I like that approach, but my memory is terrible when I'm driving, so there's been a few times I've had to pull over and Google maps where I am | |||
"I like to study a map and understand navigation before an important journey Sometimes however we discover the magic when we are lost" Sounds like something I could've said | |||
"Reminds me of Lewis' three choices for Jesus... Either Jesus is a lying pompous git Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us Or Jesus is the son of God I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol "That's the trouble with Lewis, always was a bit simplistic. He was never the same after Morse left him
I prefer Robert Graves' version in 'King Jesus', especially since Lazarus always did seem like a dry run for some jiggery-pokery that went wrong in the end.
The way I see it is simple: all of Jesus's teachings basically boil down to two commandments, one if you ignore the 'God' one, that is: love your neighbour as yourself. Ie treat others how you would like to be treated yourself.
At this most basic level, it is the same teaching as most religions, so does it really matter whether you do it because Confucius said it, or Plato, or Jesus, or Muhammad, or Buddha, or your mum? And once you accept that actually it's quite a good plan, do you really need the promise of everlasting paradise? Or the threat of eternal gnashing of teeth?
Anyway, to answer the OP, yes, I changed my beliefs, once I actually read the bible...
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"Reminds me of Lewis' three choices for Jesus... Either Jesus is a lying pompous git Or Jesus is a scheming devil trying to deceive us Or Jesus is the son of God I guess it seemed like a pretty thorough list of possibilities to him lol
That's the trouble with Lewis, always was a bit simplistic. He was never the same after Morse left him
I prefer Robert Graves' version in 'King Jesus', especially since Lazarus always did seem like a dry run for some jiggery-pokery that went wrong in the end.
The way I see it is simple: all of Jesus's teachings basically boil down to two commandments, one if you ignore the 'God' one, that is: love your neighbour as yourself. Ie treat others how you would like to be treated yourself.
At this most basic level, it is the same teaching as most religions, so does it really matter whether you do it because Confucius said it, or Plato, or Jesus, or Muhammad, or Buddha, or your mum? And once you accept that actually it's quite a good plan, do you really need the promise of everlasting paradise? Or the threat of eternal gnashing of teeth?
Anyway, to answer the OP, yes, I changed my beliefs, once I actually read the bible...
Mr ddc"I agree with the Lewis comment. He just didn't have the presence or strength of character Morse had, but he did have an element of wit. One of his redeeming qualities imo. That's the one of the teachings that remains prevalent in most religions, however, how many teach a person to love themselves and treat themselves as they would treat others? It may sound selfish, but I used to treat everyone better than I ever treated myself. Still do, but now I treat myself with more love and acceptance, I have more confidence to do things with my life. I don't always like who I've become, but at least I have respect for the choices I make now. | |||
