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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .." did we lose it? | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves." Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. | |||
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"If this was the election it would be a 90% out vote lol.Have a feeling this is not a good cross section of the British people" The out side are always going to be the noisiest too...just look at the referendum yes campaign. Would love to know the unbiased consequences of both as an out does seem attractive with the mess of the world. | |||
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"If this was the election it would be a 90% out vote lol.Have a feeling this is not a good cross section of the British people The out side are always going to be the noisiest too...just look at the referendum yes campaign. Would love to know the unbiased consequences of both as an out does seem attractive with the mess of the world." If you are genuinely interested, take a look at the ongoing WTO battle between Boeing and Airbus. It'll show you how much of a level playing field the international market isn't. Both sides 'cheat' and when they don't get their own way they ban each other from their markets. Look at the $35bn airtanker deal that got taken away from Airbus in the states when things got nasty. Now the EU and USA can play that game because they are roughly equal sizes in wealth terms. I fear for British companies trying to compete on these terms... | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .. did we lose it?" And if we did how will leaving the EU get it back? | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves." Agreed
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. " Just say we did leave....do you reckon that would start a domino effect and spell the end of the EU??? | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Just say we did leave....do you reckon that would start a domino effect and spell the end of the EU???" Personally no, there's not a huge amount of science that can be used to answer that so it's just an opinion. France and Germany are the key members so as long as they are in then it'll be ok. Its currency however is a different matter... What's your view? | |||
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"Out. We should have more confidence in ourselves. This is the worlds 5th largest economy with a highly educated/skilled workforce and relatively wealthy population. Britain can thrive outside the EU" Well that's a lie! I read on the forums every day how poor and impoverished we are and our kids aren't educated thus unable to find work because of all the foreigners! I'm totally indifferent whether we say in or not. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Just say we did leave....do you reckon that would start a domino effect and spell the end of the EU??? Personally no, there's not a huge amount of science that can be used to answer that so it's just an opinion. France and Germany are the key members so as long as they are in then it'll be ok. Its currency however is a different matter... What's your view? " You make a good point about france and Germany. Looking at how much Germany has fought to stop Greece exit and keep bank rolling them, I guess it would take a hell of a lot for it all to end, and return to a common market. | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .." In I have never found that going back ever achieved anything. Going back to my old school, it felt small and in the past, meeting old girlfriends I realised i'd moved on so far - so going back to 'Great Britain' is like expecting to relive 4 candles! The world is different now. Being part of the EU is good for us and has been. It doesn't mean it is right, but we need to focus on fixing it rather than sitting on the fence and not quite being in or out. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. " It took at least ten posts to get to a person that thinks before posting. | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .." You looking for the Dunkirk spirit and smoking in pubs again? For goodness sake, the world and everyone in it has moved one and continues to move on. Meanwhile in parts of England people look back in fondness at the three day week, Union power and Nationalised industries as a sign of greatness. Unfortunately putting the third world into subservience and regaining an Empire is no longer possible. Some people just need to learn to look at our Eoropean friends as equals and Partners rather than as low life's who we should invade and conquer. The EU is far from perfect and is really in need of reform but we are all inhabitants of one planet and in the very long term the future is less borders, not more. So why go backwards? What gives you the right by fortune of birth to believe that you are superior to any other human being that has an equal right to live on this planet and have access to its resources? By fluke, you were born here and as a consequence you want to keep everything for yourself? ...... | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .. In I have never found that going back ever achieved anything. Going back to my old school, it felt small and in the past, meeting old girlfriends I realised i'd moved on so far - so going back to 'Great Britain' is like expecting to relive 4 candles! The world is different now. Being part of the EU is good for us and has been. It doesn't mean it is right, but we need to focus on fixing it rather than sitting on the fence and not quite being in or out. " Great post. Going back is like going to a school reunion because your youth is viewed through rose tinted glasses. The girls you fancied then all now have crosses to bear and some of your mates have nor even made it to the reunion. The world changes and moves on. Going backwards is pointless. Great post | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world?" More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. " Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .. You looking for the Dunkirk spirit and smoking in pubs again? For goodness sake, the world and everyone in it has moved one and continues to move on. Meanwhile in parts of England people look back in fondness at the three day week, Union power and Nationalised industries as a sign of greatness. Unfortunately putting the third world into subservience and regaining an Empire is no longer possible. Some people just need to learn to look at our Eoropean friends as equals and Partners rather than as low life's who we should invade and conquer. The EU is far from perfect and is really in need of reform but we are all inhabitants of one planet and in the very long term the future is less borders, not more. So why go backwards? What gives you the right by fortune of birth to believe that you are superior to any other human being that has an equal right to live on this planet and have access to its resources? By fluke, you were born here and as a consequence you want to keep everything for yourself? ......" We seldom agree but | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. " Wanting something to be different is very different from it actually happening. I have sat and listened to Tony Benn (the most eloquant speaker I have ever listened to) and been charmed until I left the room. Painting a picture of the 'new dawn' is easy, making it happen is nigh on impossible! Sadly we do not have any politicians capable of doing any better. Corbyn clearly can't! | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. " Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. " That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. " That would be the same Iceland where the banks folded and the British government had to bail out their deposit holders, wouldn't it? | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. That would be the same Iceland where the banks folded and the British government had to bail out their deposit holders, wouldn't it? " Short memories...  | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. " What an excellent idea - leave the largest economy (by GDP) in the world to become the tenth largest. That'll show the buggers. NOT.  | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. " And yet strangely the two countries I have spent most of my life in, other than the UK, couldn't give a shit if the EU disappeared. The world works for the USA and produces from China, Europe and the rest of the dregs just pretend that they matter... They really don't... It's basically a big pasture full of human cattle. Not once in 6 years in the U.S. did anything that happened in Europe matter. Not once in 12 years of visiting & living in China has anything that happened in Europe mattered. European size and financial might is tempered by their timidity and inability to take action. Yes America cause the credit problems, but they always act... In Europe we just look to the Americans to sort out the worlds problems, while complaining about how everything they do is wrong. If Singapore can be a city state in an age of giant trading blocs, we can manage... And in the end we would be consumed by NAFTA (most likely) or some other block. We are looked apon far more favourably, plus we have married ourselves to the Chinese investment bank, the only western nation to do so. Yes it upset the Americans, but they will always ignore our indiscretions, for our intelligence stock and military positions in Europe. And free trade has already started, that genie will never go back in the bottle. Free trade existed long before the stupidity of the 20th century and we are grinding down the barriers to it now... I dislike our government, but the socialists of Europe are even worse. And yes, even our Torys are pretty left leaning. | |||
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. But does that mean I have to return???
I like the smoking in coffee shops here and how open sex is here. Sounds like a swingers paradise.
I abstain. I'd want whatever is best for me and my family. And joining or leaving does not 100% guarantee that. | |||
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"Personally I would vote to leave BUT it would devestate farming in UK to loose EU subsidies. Are people aware that you'll see a 15% to 25% rise in food prices?" Why... We'd be free to source the best prices, we would no longer have to fill the EU pot, for large cumbersome government. Including our own, which should be cut too. | |||
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"Personally I would vote to leave BUT it would devestate farming in UK to loose EU subsidies. Are people aware that you'll see a 15% to 25% rise in food prices? Why... We'd be free to source the best prices, we would no longer have to fill the EU pot, for large cumbersome government. Including our own, which should be cut too." | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. What an excellent idea - leave the largest economy (by GDP) in the world to become the tenth largest. That'll show the buggers. NOT. "The largest sink in the world... It's a mess, GDP is not profitability... It's just a nice figure for governments to brandish about, saying we are doing well so put some more money in our thieving hands. | |||
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"Aren't they being screwed by British corporations? I thought I read in the media about milk prices. Personally I would vote to leave BUT it would devestate farming in UK to loose EU subsidies. Are people aware that you'll see a 15% to 25% rise in food prices? Why... We'd be free to source the best prices, we would no longer have to fill the EU pot, for large cumbersome government. Including our own, which should be cut too." Unfortunately the milk price is subject to global forces, as is every commodity. It's a zero sum game, if someone wins, someone else loses by an equal amount. That's our world. People care about the milk farmers, but what about the poor oil barons, whose product is also being depressed? | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once." Wondered when you would turn up, lol. The statement came from CAT/Finning themselves, not UKIP head office for your information, surprised you didn't look it up on Google, you seem to do that with everything else.
Besides the statement from CAT/FINNING puts to bed all the scare tactics from other big business that we would all be poor, much worse off outside the EU.
So people can make a choice now do they want to believe big business who use scare tactics or do they want to believe companies like CAT/Finning?
As for the EU hindering of business in Britain, it's been reported yesterday that Cameron has now dropped a demand for Britain to opt out of the EU's social chapter in his renegotiation talks. Critics insist the social chapter ties business in EU red tape, (look it up on google, lol) many MP's are not happy Cameron has dropped this. Just what is Cameron negotiating for? At this rate he'll come back with Jack shit and it'll just be business (tied in EU red tape) as usual until hopefully the public votes to leave in 2016/17.  | |||
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"Personally I would vote to leave BUT it would devestate farming in UK to loose EU subsidies. Are people aware that you'll see a 15% to 25% rise in food prices?" Price of seafood could come down. Our fishing industry has been devastated by the EU'S daft rules and regulations. Let's get out and kick start our fishing industry again. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. What an excellent idea - leave the largest economy (by GDP) in the world to become the tenth largest. That'll show the buggers. NOT. "As someone else already said let's be masters of our own destiny, and not a slave to others. | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once. Wondered when you would turn up, lol. The statement came from CAT/Finning themselves, not UKIP head office for your information, surprised you didn't look it up on Google, you seem to do that with everything else.
Besides the statement from CAT/FINNING puts to bed all the scare tactics from other big business that we would all be poor, much worse off outside the EU.
So people can make a choice now do they want to believe big business who use scare tactics or do they want to believe companies like CAT/Finning?
As for the EU hindering of business in Britain, it's been reported yesterday that Cameron has now dropped a demand for Britain to opt out of the EU's social chapter in his renegotiation talks. Critics insist the social chapter ties business in EU red tape, (look it up on google, lol) many MP's are not happy Cameron has dropped this. Just what is Cameron negotiating for? At this rate he'll come back with Jack shit and it'll just be business (tied in EU red tape) as usual until hopefully the public votes to leave in 2016/17. "That's clever, given the errors, half truths and lies that you seem to swallow from ukip head office and then regurgitated here, I didn't think you knew about Google. Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than daily mail headlines and party propaganda sheets. I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017. Meanwhile thanks for confirming that cat isn't saying that we'd be better off out of the EU, just that it makes no difference, so what you're saying about it hindering business isn't supported by your own example. How you getting on with looking up the Iceland banking crisis? | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. What an excellent idea - leave the largest economy (by GDP) in the world to become the tenth largest. That'll show the buggers. NOT.
As someone else already said let's be masters of our own destiny, and not a slave to others. "Which of the available options will you pick for slavery? China? Nafta? Russia? How about Indonesia they have a bigger economy than ours. If you're scared of cooperating with europeans, just imagine how you'll feel when johnnie foreigner really starts dictating to you. You're going to be ever so confused when you realise they don't have to play ball with you. | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. Wanting something to be different is very different from it actually happening. I have sat and listened to Tony Benn (the most eloquant speaker I have ever listened to) and been charmed until I left the room. Painting a picture of the 'new dawn' is easy, making it happen is nigh on impossible! Sadly we do not have any politicians capable of doing any better. Corbyn clearly can't!" Yeah.... I equate these guys to Jeasus... They give you hope and faith... Problem is you sit there hoping and believing, then wonder why nothing has happened... Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... We need a democratically elected second house & a drastic cut to the numbers of MPs. Then face the city's/counties off against each other, by electing mayors who have the power to set rules, to encourage people and companies to relocate. In the cauldron of competition you develop your abilities, then you take on the outside. | |||
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" Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... " The problem is that no one wants big government... until they need it. Even in heavily Republican mid-West USA - when a big tornado hits they all look to the federal government for help and money when they're usually cursing it. | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once. Wondered when you would turn up, lol. The statement came from CAT/Finning themselves, not UKIP head office for your information, surprised you didn't look it up on Google, you seem to do that with everything else.
Besides the statement from CAT/FINNING puts to bed all the scare tactics from other big business that we would all be poor, much worse off outside the EU.
So people can make a choice now do they want to believe big business who use scare tactics or do they want to believe companies like CAT/Finning?
As for the EU hindering of business in Britain, it's been reported yesterday that Cameron has now dropped a demand for Britain to opt out of the EU's social chapter in his renegotiation talks. Critics insist the social chapter ties business in EU red tape, (look it up on google, lol) many MP's are not happy Cameron has dropped this. Just what is Cameron negotiating for? At this rate he'll come back with Jack shit and it'll just be business (tied in EU red tape) as usual until hopefully the public votes to leave in 2016/17.
That's clever, given the errors, half truths and lies that you seem to swallow from ukip head office and then regurgitated here, I didn't think you knew about Google. Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than daily mail headlines and party propaganda sheets.
I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017.
Meanwhile thanks for confirming that cat isn't saying that we'd be better off out of the EU, just that it makes no difference, so what you're saying about it hindering business isn't supported by your own example.
How you getting on with looking up the Iceland banking crisis?"That's clever, given the errors, lies and half truths you seem to swallow from the likes of Corbyn and Labour party head office and then regurgitated here. Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than the guardian headlines, loony lefty rags like the London Labour briefing and party propaganda sheets. I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017. How you getting on with looking up the EU's social chapter and how it ties British businesses up in red tape? | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. What an excellent idea - leave the largest economy (by GDP) in the world to become the tenth largest. That'll show the buggers. NOT.
As someone else already said let's be masters of our own destiny, and not a slave to others.
Which of the available options will you pick for slavery? China? Nafta? Russia? How about Indonesia they have a bigger economy than ours. If you're scared of cooperating with europeans, just imagine how you'll feel when johnnie foreigner really starts dictating to you. You're going to be ever so confused when you realise they don't have to play ball with you.
"Unfortunately that ball has already gone... The speed of information, individuals with interationsl access and global forces already dictate the moves. Also it's not just economy size... There are very good reasons, historical, trust, perceived neutrality, laws, currency, systems.... That all make this little rock very attractive. It would take 20 years to unravel all of that, then the fight over who got what is the stuff of war!! Huge power vacuum then spilled riches.... | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. Wanting something to be different is very different from it actually happening. I have sat and listened to Tony Benn (the most eloquant speaker I have ever listened to) and been charmed until I left the room. Painting a picture of the 'new dawn' is easy, making it happen is nigh on impossible! Sadly we do not have any politicians capable of doing any better. Corbyn clearly can't! Yeah.... I equate these guys to Jeasus... They give you hope and faith... Problem is you sit there hoping and believing, then wonder why nothing has happened... Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... We need a democratically elected second house & a drastic cut to the numbers of MPs. Then face the city's/counties off against each other, by electing mayors who have the power to set rules, to encourage people and companies to relocate. In the cauldron of competition you develop your abilities, then you take on the outside. " It's good to see someone keeping the tired old rhetoric of Thatchers failed political experiments on the cauldron, cooking the political dogma as well as the books. Tasty but rather like a Chinese meal, needs something more substantial a few hours or years later | |||
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" Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... The problem is that no one wants big government... until they need it. Even in heavily Republican mid-West USA - when a big tornado hits they all look to the federal government for help and money when they're usually cursing it. " And look where all that stored cash was when Katrina hit, even here when it flooded.... It doesn't exist, either with big gov or small gov.... You got nothing coming... Better to just survive off your own back. | |||
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" Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... The problem is that no one wants big government... until they need it. Even in heavily Republican mid-West USA - when a big tornado hits they all look to the federal government for help and money when they're usually cursing it. And look where all that stored cash was when Katrina hit, even here when it flooded.... It doesn't exist, either with big gov or small gov.... You got nothing coming... Better to just survive off your own back." And yet a lot of those red states receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes. The democrats of Connecticut are paying for the republicans of Kentucky, but they don't see the irony in that. They want their small government taxes, with their big government funding. | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once. Wondered when you would turn up, lol. The statement came from CAT/Finning themselves, not UKIP head office for your information, surprised you didn't look it up on Google, you seem to do that with everything else.
Besides the statement from CAT/FINNING puts to bed all the scare tactics from other big business that we would all be poor, much worse off outside the EU.
So people can make a choice now do they want to believe big business who use scare tactics or do they want to believe companies like CAT/Finning?
As for the EU hindering of business in Britain, it's been reported yesterday that Cameron has now dropped a demand for Britain to opt out of the EU's social chapter in his renegotiation talks. Critics insist the social chapter ties business in EU red tape, (look it up on google, lol) many MP's are not happy Cameron has dropped this. Just what is Cameron negotiating for? At this rate he'll come back with Jack shit and it'll just be business (tied in EU red tape) as usual until hopefully the public votes to leave in 2016/17.
That's clever, given the errors, half truths and lies that you seem to swallow from ukip head office and then regurgitated here, I didn't think you knew about Google. Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than daily mail headlines and party propaganda sheets.
I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017.
Meanwhile thanks for confirming that cat isn't saying that we'd be better off out of the EU, just that it makes no difference, so what you're saying about it hindering business isn't supported by your own example.
How you getting on with looking up the Iceland banking crisis?
That's clever, given the errors, lies and half truths you seem to swallow from the likes of Corbyn and Labour party head office and then regurgitated here.
Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than the guardian headlines, loony lefty rags like the London Labour briefing and party propaganda sheets.
I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017.
How you getting on with looking up the EU's social chapter and how it ties British businesses up in red tape? "Lol. Time for you to have a nap, you're getting a little tetchy there. I'm too busy googling to read all that Labour Party stuff lol. Oh and I've been quoting the daily mail to you most of the time because I know you can't cope with the guardian lol. It's a social charter by the way. Not chapter. Many critics say that lots of lies are told about it by people who don't know what it is. Google it and you'll find out lol. | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. Wanting something to be different is very different from it actually happening. I have sat and listened to Tony Benn (the most eloquant speaker I have ever listened to) and been charmed until I left the room. Painting a picture of the 'new dawn' is easy, making it happen is nigh on impossible! Sadly we do not have any politicians capable of doing any better. Corbyn clearly can't! Yeah.... I equate these guys to Jeasus... They give you hope and faith... Problem is you sit there hoping and believing, then wonder why nothing has happened... Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... We need a democratically elected second house & a drastic cut to the numbers of MPs. Then face the city's/counties off against each other, by electing mayors who have the power to set rules, to encourage people and companies to relocate. In the cauldron of competition you develop your abilities, then you take on the outside. It's good to see someone keeping the tired old rhetoric of Thatchers failed political experiments on the cauldron, cooking the political dogma as well as the books. Tasty but rather like a Chinese meal, needs something more substantial a few hours or years later " She proved to be right.... When the Berlin Wall came down and you had two identical countries, with identical people, with identical histories, but one was 70% as efficient as the other, at that point the world changed. And secretly even communist nations, levered their economies to a more capitalist one. Not nessacerily a fan of hers, but she got some things right. Strangely for everything I have said, my two favourites are junichiro koizumi & lee kuan yew. | |||
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" Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... The problem is that no one wants big government... until they need it. Even in heavily Republican mid-West USA - when a big tornado hits they all look to the federal government for help and money when they're usually cursing it. And look where all that stored cash was when Katrina hit, even here when it flooded.... It doesn't exist, either with big gov or small gov.... You got nothing coming... Better to just survive off your own back. And yet a lot of those red states receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes. The democrats of Connecticut are paying for the republicans of Kentucky, but they don't see the irony in that. They want their small government taxes, with their big government funding. " Tricky.... But what your doing there is comparing two completely different "countries". You can't compare a red mid-west with a blue North East. It's like saying if there is a natural disaster in Romania, we would not help them. But you know mid left or mid right or cause we would. | |||
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" Small government is the key.... Cut our tax, drastically and choke them off their greenback addiction.... The problem is that no one wants big government... until they need it. Even in heavily Republican mid-West USA - when a big tornado hits they all look to the federal government for help and money when they're usually cursing it. And look where all that stored cash was when Katrina hit, even here when it flooded.... It doesn't exist, either with big gov or small gov.... You got nothing coming... Better to just survive off your own back. And yet a lot of those red states receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes. The democrats of Connecticut are paying for the republicans of Kentucky, but they don't see the irony in that. They want their small government taxes, with their big government funding. Tricky.... But what your doing there is comparing two completely different "countries". You can't compare a red mid-west with a blue North East. It's like saying if there is a natural disaster in Romania, we would not help them. But you know mid left or mid right or cause we would." No we wouldn't, there'd be chants of "look after our own first". Small government means the same thing wherever you go. | |||
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"anyone want to explain to me why in a country that relies heavily on import/export why you'd choose out? clearly taxes are moving up in popularity. also with Scotland wanting independance... (which i fully support) commodities aren't our biggest feature. It seems so backwards. Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world? More trade, import export with the rest of the world outside of the EU. The EU is hindering us in this, we live in a global market now, not just the EU. Besides Britain buys more from the EU than they buy from us so they need us more than we need them. As for big business CAT/Finning have said on record it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to them if we are in the EU or out of it. That, unsurprisingly, makes no sense at all. If it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to CAT/Finning whether we are in the EU or out, that must mean that the EU isn't hindering their trade with other countries. If it was then it would make a blind bit of difference, wouldn't it? Ask UKIP head office to give you some propaganda that makes sense for once. Wondered when you would turn up, lol. The statement came from CAT/Finning themselves, not UKIP head office for your information, surprised you didn't look it up on Google, you seem to do that with everything else.
Besides the statement from CAT/FINNING puts to bed all the scare tactics from other big business that we would all be poor, much worse off outside the EU.
So people can make a choice now do they want to believe big business who use scare tactics or do they want to believe companies like CAT/Finning?
As for the EU hindering of business in Britain, it's been reported yesterday that Cameron has now dropped a demand for Britain to opt out of the EU's social chapter in his renegotiation talks. Critics insist the social chapter ties business in EU red tape, (look it up on google, lol) many MP's are not happy Cameron has dropped this. Just what is Cameron negotiating for? At this rate he'll come back with Jack shit and it'll just be business (tied in EU red tape) as usual until hopefully the public votes to leave in 2016/17.
That's clever, given the errors, half truths and lies that you seem to swallow from ukip head office and then regurgitated here, I didn't think you knew about Google. Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than daily mail headlines and party propaganda sheets.
I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017.
Meanwhile thanks for confirming that cat isn't saying that we'd be better off out of the EU, just that it makes no difference, so what you're saying about it hindering business isn't supported by your own example.
How you getting on with looking up the Iceland banking crisis?
That's clever, given the errors, lies and half truths you seem to swallow from the likes of Corbyn and Labour party head office and then regurgitated here.
Keep practising and try to read some of the background stuff rather than the guardian headlines, loony lefty rags like the London Labour briefing and party propaganda sheets.
I'll be enjoying your disappointment in 2017.
How you getting on with looking up the EU's social chapter and how it ties British businesses up in red tape?
Lol. Time for you to have a nap, you're getting a little tetchy there. I'm too busy googling to read all that Labour Party stuff lol. Oh and I've been quoting the daily mail to you most of the time because I know you can't cope with the guardian lol.
It's a social charter by the way. Not chapter. Many critics say that lots of lies are told about it by people who don't know what it is. Google it and you'll find out lol."Who's getting tetchy? Lol. Maybe time for you to have a nap, you are getting on a bit or did you oversleep in your afternoon nap? Lol. I've already looked the EU social chapter up thanks and yes it does tie business up in red tape so you could say I'm a critic of it. I could also buy a copy of the guardian if the shop had run out of bog roll.  | |||
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"In on balance as UK economy was saved by North Sea oil revenue in the Eighties. In the first three years out the city of London will give up it's position to Frankfurt. That will is an avoidable self inflected hit to tax revenues." This is similar to the just build a nuclear power plant argument to solving our energy woes. Unravelling all the business dealings, forging the relationships needed, creating the systems needed to shift the whole financial centre to any other place would take years and more money than Germany could generate on its own. For example.... America, well New York basically did this... At that time they owned 2/3s of the worlds wealth.... You'd be lucky now if you could find a country with 5%. | |||
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"I worry that no matter what the people want the government will fiddle it anyway to suit themselves. Some of the SNP probably feel the same way. Yes but the tories can't fiddle this one like they did the Scottish referendum (according to Alex Salmond). The tories are split on the EU, so both sides want a fair referendum. Cameron has already had to change the wording of the question because of pressure from backbenchers and the electoral commission. " Oh please. Alex Salmon is no different to our very own ukip Forage. Both are fantastic salesmen and such lying bastards. We will remain in the EU for the same reasons Scotland stayed with the rest of the UK, because we would be screwed if we didn't. What was it the snp quoted the average price of oil $120 and used that as a base.. what is it now 40?? Ukip are using the same bullshit sales gimmicks now. You really think things would be better out of the EU? You honestly believe the EU would not freeze us out? The likes of China and the u.s would pounce on us like lions on antelope. We would be weak and exposed. Yes I would love to be able to vote leave but it's never going to happen. Snp in Scotland, ukip here selling us dreams what you would actually get is a timeshare. Looks amazing in the brochure, it's not until you get the bill you realise you have been sold a lemon and you can't afford to return it. Vote in and learn to speak French. My opinion only peeps | |||
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"For those who are posting an opinion, how many of you have any facts and how many are based on newspaper headlines? The reason I ask is that I'm an economics graduate, have worked for a company setup with a European grant, have worked on a business park built using a European grant, have consulted in Westminster, travel to and study in Brussels as part of my current job, have a European privacy professional qualification and give presentations on EU legal reform... And I don't know enough to make a decision on what's best for us regionally, nationally or personally. " Yes I have facts thanks, I don't pretend I'm omnipotent but I've presented my views and not insulted anyone else's. My view is largely based on international business experience and seeing what happens to companies from small countries trying to compete. I don't see companies from the likes of Iceland, Switzerland or Singapore thriving to be honest. Sure there are niche markets they can do alright in but nothing on thr global stage. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Disagree, Britain is hardly a small country on the world stage, we are in the G7, Britain and the FTSE is one of the largest economies in the world, and London is one of the biggest financial capitals in the world. If small countries like Iceland do ok for themselves I'm damn sure an independent Britain can. " I'm not sure Iceland is a country I'd list as a resounding success but let's run with it. Here's the bottom line: When 2 countries have a falling out, the biggest country says "we're going to raise import taxes, block your companies from doing business here and generally interrupt trade for a while until you give in" and then the smaller country says "well we are going to do the same back to you". Then then they realise that their companies have more to lose than the big countries, they make some angry words and capitulate. The USA is more than 5x bigger than the UK on GDP, China is double and that will only grow, India is catching up. There's a fallacy where people take an example of a very small country that is ok and say "oh well they prospered". Yes because really small countries can find niche markets that are big to them but too small for America and China to care about (e.g. assisting tax fraud and Switzerland). There problem is that there aren't enough of those niche markets for a 66m / $2.75tn country so we'd end up better off because our companies wouldn't be able to compete with the political backing their competitors get. In summary; we're too small to be big (e.g. USA) and too big to be small (e.g. Singapore) | |||
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"Personally I would vote to leave BUT it would devestate farming in UK to loose EU subsidies. Are people aware that you'll see a 15% to 25% rise in food prices? Price of seafood could come down. Our fishing industry has been devastated by the EU'S daft rules and regulations. Let's get out and kick start our fishing industry again. "That's one option. Another option is to fix the problem at its source. The EU is a very politically immature system (both in age and practice) - it was never going to be perfect at this stage. | |||
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" Who's getting tetchy? Lol. Maybe time for you to have a nap, you are getting on a bit or did you oversleep in your afternoon nap? Lol. I've already looked the EU social chapter up thanks and yes it does tie business up in red tape so you could say I'm a critic of it. I could also buy a copy of the guardian if the shop had run out of bog roll. "Miss my afternoon nap dear boy? You must be mad I'd never do that. Still after you've finished the cryptic crossword, perhaps you can tell is a little about article 1 of the social charter and what red tape you'd remove from that? | |||
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"What worries me is the like of first posts on this thread. Before the pros and cons argument started there were one word knee jerk answers, generally "out", to a very complicated and difficult question. The British electorate are just not qualified to make this call; but they will have to soon. Then our children and their children will carry the weight of that decision. God help us!! "Two points: 1) The OP asked a closed question so lots of people gave a closed answer 2) I don't think you give enough credit to the British people. The bottom line is that in nearly 400 years, voters have never fucked up our country by resorting to the kind of radical untested ideas that wrecked living standards in many parts of Europe. How many European countries can say that? So at least in historical terms, the British people are well above average in being trusted to make good decisions about their children's future. | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .." in out in out shake it all about | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN ..in out in out shake it all about "out out out out close our boarders sanction Europe charge extra to see the queen | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN ..in out in out shake it all about out out out out close our boarders sanction Europe charge extra to see the queen "we are the soft option for the rest of the bloody world it seems  | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN ..in out in out shake it all about out out out out close our boarders sanction Europe charge extra to see the queen we are the soft option for the rest of the bloody world it seems "Keep shouting. Someone might hear you. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence "elequantly put | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence "Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters. | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke " I must have missed the part where India, Pakistan and Russia joined the EU! | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke " Why do these discussions always end up with someone saying this kind of thing? | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke I must have missed the part where India, Pakistan and Russia joined the EU! " I must admit, I thought the same. Although, I could see the answer being something like 'the EU makes us give our money elsewhere, to everyone else' that's what I usually hear from this unfounded argument. | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke Why do these discussions always end up with someone saying this kind of thing? " Conditioned minds, can't see for themselves. | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke Why do these discussions always end up with someone saying this kind of thing? " Human nature 101: it's easier to blame an external scapegoat for your problems than take personal responsibility. The former means you can top up your dopamine by letting off steam on the interweb. The latter means you have to actually get off your ass and do something. | |||
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"Thatcher destroyed skilled trades so what the hell have we got to fall back on? reconquering 3/4ths of the world?" Did she? I must have missed that part of the 1980s.... Oh, so did you!
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke I must have missed the part where India, Pakistan and Russia joined the EU! I must admit, I thought the same. Although, I could see the answer being something like 'the EU makes us give our money elsewhere, to everyone else' that's what I usually hear from this unfounded argument. " Last time I checked the EU and Russia were not exactly best buddies... | |||
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"I am a ukip man so 10000% out " I could tell that by your maths. | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke " Many EU citizens have the ability to speak English in addition to their native language. Most of those are also able to articulate well in English and construct a sentence correctly. As for geography....... | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke Why do these discussions always end up with someone saying this kind of thing? Human nature 101: it's easier to blame an external scapegoat for your problems than take personal responsibility. The former means you can top up your dopamine by letting off steam on the interweb. The latter means you have to actually get off your ass and do something." | |||
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"I am a ukip man so 10000% out I could tell that by your maths." Wow... very quick this morning
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"Russia is in europe or have they moved too" Oh this is brilliant!!! You've made my day - thank you. You get that this is a discussion about the EU (a political union) not Europe (a geographic continent)? We're not discussing whether we're going to physically dig up the UK and try and slot it into that gap between Italy and Greece! | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .." Exactly | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .. Exactly "*rolls eyes and sniggers* | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke Why do these discussions always end up with someone saying this kind of thing? Human nature 101: it's easier to blame an external scapegoat for your problems than take personal responsibility. The former means you can top up your dopamine by letting off steam on the interweb. The latter means you have to actually get off your ass and do something." Very true. Just getting sick of hearing the same thing over and over. You're right with personal responsibility; too many people blaming others for their own issues. | |||
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"Out and close borders to more jobs houses and money for english people and pensioners who fought in war instead money leaves uk for poland bulgaria india pakistan russia and every other country in world ps and don't get me started on how they fleece nhs coming hear for free health care what a joke " | |||
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"Russia is in europe or have they moved too Oh this is brilliant!!! You've made my day - thank you. You get that this is a discussion about the EU (a political union) not Europe (a geographic continent)? We're not discussing whether we're going to physically dig up the UK and try and slot it into that gap between Italy and Greece! " Haha, you guys made me laugh out loud. Couldn't have said it better myself! | |||
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"What worries me is the like of first posts on this thread. Before the pros and cons argument started there were one word knee jerk answers, generally "out", to a very complicated and difficult question. The British electorate are just not qualified to make this call; but they will have to soon. Then our children and their children will carry the weight of that decision. God help us!! "Actually it will be really useful to hear reasoned argument from both sides as the referendum approaches. Broadly, I am in favour of Britain staying in a changed Europe but Europe has to change. What I find frustrating is that the out debate seem to be lead by those looking to close our "boarders" in order to make "Britain Great again." I wish that the out voters could deliver a more reasoned argument because this will have very serious long term consequences whichever way it goes. | |||
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"Russia is in europe or have they moved too Oh this is brilliant!!! You've made my day - thank you. You get that this is a discussion about the EU (a political union) not Europe (a geographic continent)? We're not discussing whether we're going to physically dig up the UK and try and slot it into that gap between Italy and Greece! Haha, you guys made me laugh out loud. Couldn't have said it better myself! " Exposes the degree of thought and logic behind the anti-immigrant rants. The prosecution rests your honour. | |||
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"Out.... Struggle for a while, but not on trade, won't make the blindest bit of difference.... Using that time to craft relationships with other nations... Plus.... I'd rather be dirt poor and free, than a wealthy slave." PMSL so we're free? We depend on others for our power supplies most of our power stations are due to be redundant with the next 5-10 years. We can't meet our own food supplies our heavy industry has disappeared crikey even our water supply can be pushed if we get a summer. Our banking system paddles (just) the union is under threat from all quarter's. So yep let's just pretend we are all good and brass it out. Oh it's isolated freedom for all. Just to put a different view on it. | |||
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"Bully for those people then tell them to speak english then and if I lived in another country I'd learn there language and speak it too " I'd try learning English properly first. | |||
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"What worries me is the like of first posts on this thread. Before the pros and cons argument started there were one word knee jerk answers, generally "out", to a very complicated and difficult question. The British electorate are just not qualified to make this call; but they will have to soon. Then our children and their children will carry the weight of that decision. God help us!!
Actually it will be really useful to hear reasoned argument from both sides as the referendum approaches.
Broadly, I am in favour of Britain staying in a changed Europe but Europe has to change. What I find frustrating is that the out debate seem to be lead by those looking to close our "boarders" in order to make "Britain Great again."
I wish that the out voters could deliver a more reasoned argument because this will have very serious long term consequences whichever way it goes."I find myself in agreement once again. | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN .. You looking for the Dunkirk spirit and smoking in pubs again? For goodness sake, the world and everyone in it has moved one and continues to move on. Meanwhile in parts of England people look back in fondness at the three day week, Union power and Nationalised industries as a sign of greatness. Unfortunately putting the third world into subservience and regaining an Empire is no longer possible. Some people just need to learn to look at our Eoropean friends as equals and Partners rather than as low life's who we should invade and conquer. The EU is far from perfect and is really in need of reform but we are all inhabitants of one planet and in the very long term the future is less borders, not more. So why go backwards? What gives you the right by fortune of birth to believe that you are superior to any other human being that has an equal right to live on this planet and have access to its resources? By fluke, you were born here and as a consequence you want to keep everything for yourself? ......" its not often i can say i agree with _oo hot but this is one of those i do.. | |||
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i think you are being sold a shoddy "bill of goods" by the people who want to leave..... I be more inclined to believe them if they told me the worst thing that could happen if we were to go and then ask me if i would be prepared to live with that!
but like the scottish yes campaign... they deny that anything bad will happen as a consequence of the decision
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"Israel's in Eurovision - they should be in the EU too. "We let Pakistan in so why not? | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. " Agreed, the EU does need reforming but we would loose far more than gain if we were to leave. | |||
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"In. Sorry but large countries shit on small countries - it's the law of the jungle. You can't shit on the EU because we're the biggest and richest trading group in the world. The EU needs reform though and frankly it is shit. But I prefer being knee deep in my own shit to having someone else's shit shoved down my mouth. Agreed, the EU does need reforming but we would loose far more than gain if we were to leave." | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters. "Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017. "Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics. When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets. When you are a huge country you need global markets. We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets. "Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services. Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets. "Forgive me if I can't get excited about an economy even more dependant on financial services. I didn't say we can't exploit niche markets, I'm saying there aren't enough of them to sustain an economy of our size. Our companies (GSK, Rolls Royce, Serco etc) need to get out and compete with Chinese and American companies on the global stage and they need a level playing field to do that. Why do you suppose they aren't very enthusiastic about leaving the EU? | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Forgive me if I can't get excited about an economy even more dependant on financial services.
I didn't say we can't exploit niche markets, I'm saying there aren't enough of them to sustain an economy of our size.
Our companies (GSK, Rolls Royce, Serco etc) need to get out and compete with Chinese and American companies on the global stage and they need a level playing field to do that. Why do you suppose they aren't very enthusiastic about leaving the EU? "Of course people will pick and chose different company names to fit their argument like you just did. CAT, Finning and Jaguar land rover are doing great selling to China, India, Brazil and that won't change if we are outside the EU. As I said before CAT, Finning couldn't care less about the EU. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Forgive me if I can't get excited about an economy even more dependant on financial services.
I didn't say we can't exploit niche markets, I'm saying there aren't enough of them to sustain an economy of our size.
Our companies (GSK, Rolls Royce, Serco etc) need to get out and compete with Chinese and American companies on the global stage and they need a level playing field to do that. Why do you suppose they aren't very enthusiastic about leaving the EU?
Of course people will pick and chose different company names to fit their argument like you just did. CAT, Finning and Jaguar land rover are doing great selling to China, India, Brazil and that won't change if we are outside the EU. As I said before CAT, Finning couldn't care less about the EU. "Ok but 70%+ of CBI members don't want to leave so why do you suppose that is? | |||
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"Years ago I visited Guyana which had become very rundown since independence from Britain in the 60s. One person I spoke to about it agreed that being part of the Empire had been financially good but he was glad they had got independence. I feel similar. My financial head says stay in Europe but my heart says leave and take back control." Alright if you don't mind the financial impact then by all means vote out! It's your choice if you think the cost is justified. Personally I like my ching ching bling bling | |||
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" Ok but 70%+ of CBI members don't want to leave so why do you suppose that is? " Because they think they'll be worse off as individuals? 60 odd pecent wanted to join the Euro. They're not always right! | |||
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" Ok but 70%+ of CBI members don't want to leave so why do you suppose that is? Because they think they'll be worse off as individuals? 60 odd pecent wanted to join the Euro. They're not always right!"
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"Years ago I visited Guyana which had become very rundown since independence from Britain in the 60s. One person I spoke to about it agreed that being part of the Empire had been financially good but he was glad they had got independence. I feel similar. My financial head says stay in Europe but my heart says leave and take back control." I'd be willing to take a hit in the pocket if it meant we were out the EU and got our independence back. Don't think we would take a hit in the pocket though, I think we'll be better off financially. For a start we'll be saving over 50 million a day in EU membership fees, and the EU can whistle for the 7 or 8 billion bill they hit us with last November too. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets. "Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer. | |||
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" Ok but 70%+ of CBI members don't want to leave so why do you suppose that is? Because they think they'll be worse off as individuals? 60 odd pecent wanted to join the Euro. They're not always right!" Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe you are referring to a survey where 62% said they "thought it was inevitable" Britain would one day join. Only 31% said they were actually in favour of it | |||
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"simple question in or out yes or no stay or leave.....FOR ME LETS QUIT AND REGAIN THE GREAT BRITAIN ..in out in out shake it all about "should we stay or should we go go were not planning on going solo  | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer."Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it."Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change "It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol. | |||
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"Years ago I visited Guyana which had become very rundown since independence from Britain in the 60s. One person I spoke to about it agreed that being part of the Empire had been financially good but he was glad they had got independence. I feel similar. My financial head says stay in Europe but my heart says leave and take back control. I'd be willing to take a hit in the pocket if it meant we were out the EU and got our independence back. Don't think we would take a hit in the pocket though, I think we'll be better off financially. For a start we'll be saving over 50 million a day in EU membership fees, and the EU can whistle for the 7 or 8 billion bill they hit us with last November too." Well said. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change
It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol. "Well you just pop over to the Bank of England web site and google the UK growth forecast for the next two years. That decreased from 2.9% to 2.5% this year and 2.9% to 2.6% for next year. So that's a decline over the next 2 years too. Are we all supposed to cry crocodile tears for the collapse of the UK economy too.... a decline at a much higher rate too. Nothing to be upset about or worry about though - the country isn't imminently going to collapse because a positive forecast has been reduced and nor is the EU. Honestly it might be best if you went back to Nige's cronies and asked for some more party propaganda if that's the best you can do. Or perhaps try Bing? Though that may not help you. It's one thing to research information on-line, another to understand it and use it intelligently. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change
It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol.
Well you just pop over to the Bank of England web site and google the UK growth forecast for the next two years. That decreased from 2.9% to 2.5% this year and 2.9% to 2.6% for next year. So that's a decline over the next 2 years too. Are we all supposed to cry crocodile tears for the collapse of the UK economy too.... a decline at a much higher rate too. Nothing to be upset about or worry about though - the country isn't imminently going to collapse because a positive forecast has been reduced and nor is the EU. Honestly it might be best if you went back to Nige's cronies and asked for some more party propaganda if that's the best you can do. Or perhaps try Bing? Though that may not help you. It's one thing to research information on-line, another to understand it and use it intelligently."Surprised you are posting on here at this time? Aren't you drooling over your beloved Jeremy Corbyn spouting nonsense in the Labour leadership debate on sky news???? | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change
It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol.
Well you just pop over to the Bank of England web site and google the UK growth forecast for the next two years. That decreased from 2.9% to 2.5% this year and 2.9% to 2.6% for next year. So that's a decline over the next 2 years too. Are we all supposed to cry crocodile tears for the collapse of the UK economy too.... a decline at a much higher rate too. Nothing to be upset about or worry about though - the country isn't imminently going to collapse because a positive forecast has been reduced and nor is the EU. Honestly it might be best if you went back to Nige's cronies and asked for some more party propaganda if that's the best you can do. Or perhaps try Bing? Though that may not help you. It's one thing to research information on-line, another to understand it and use it intelligently.
Surprised you are posting on here at this time? Aren't you drooling over your beloved Jeremy Corbyn spouting nonsense in the Labour leadership debate on sky news???? "It's not difficult to surprise you, is it? I've no interest in that debate at all but you go on and enjoy it, just don't let it get your blood pressure up too high, we'd hate to lose you to a labour party debate. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change
It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol.
Well you just pop over to the Bank of England web site and google the UK growth forecast for the next two years. That decreased from 2.9% to 2.5% this year and 2.9% to 2.6% for next year. So that's a decline over the next 2 years too. Are we all supposed to cry crocodile tears for the collapse of the UK economy too.... a decline at a much higher rate too. Nothing to be upset about or worry about though - the country isn't imminently going to collapse because a positive forecast has been reduced and nor is the EU. Honestly it might be best if you went back to Nige's cronies and asked for some more party propaganda if that's the best you can do. Or perhaps try Bing? Though that may not help you. It's one thing to research information on-line, another to understand it and use it intelligently.
Surprised you are posting on here at this time? Aren't you drooling over your beloved Jeremy Corbyn spouting nonsense in the Labour leadership debate on sky news????
It's not difficult to surprise you, is it? I've no interest in that debate at all but you go on and enjoy it, just don't let it get your blood pressure up too high, we'd hate to lose you to a labour party debate. "I am watching it yes, thought it would be good for a laugh. | |||
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"Out, but I also believe a mandate for an in/out vote every 10 years should be brought in. My parents voted in their early 20s for a common market, now they're both retired and I, in my mid 30s, have to live with the crap that's been dragged in with it. Nobody voted for this sham in its current state, and not many current tax payers voted full stop. Don't listen to scare mongering about jobs and trade. I work in the import/export game, and we trade far more with emerging economies like Brazil and India, and China (although not as much in its current state) than we do with Europe. Does anyone seriously think you won't be able to buy champagne or BMW's if we pull out of the EU? The Swiss and Norway do just fine with their independence
Let's just gloss over the fact that our economy is nothing like Switzerland or Norway. We're 3x bigger than both of them combined for starters.
Yes and basic common sense and logic should tell you that means we'll be better placed to do even better than them in an independent Britain. Roll on 2017.
Ummm not that's not common sense it's just a lack of understanding about economics.
When you are a small economy, you can prosper in niche markets.
When you are a huge country you need global markets.
We are too big for niche markets, but our political clout is too small to ensure our companies get a level playing field in global markets.
Britain is one of the global leaders in financial services.
Other examples, too small for niche markets? .....take the football Premier league as an example, it is a world leader and generates many more times money than even it's nearest competitor. Man utd probably sells more shirts and merchandise in Asia than it does in the EU. We can and already do exploit niche markets.
Sadly it really is a lack of basic understanding of economics on your part. You're playing out of your league and want our country relegated with you with misplaced nationalism and xenophobia the only resources you can offer.
Sadly you can't see the EU is a failed social, political and economic experiment gone wrong. EU's growth forecast released today and predicted to decline for the next 2 years (reported on your favored BBC news). If that's the road to prosperity you can keep it.
Reduced from 1.5% forecast growth to 1.4% next year and 1.9% to 1.7% the following year. You really are clutching at straws with that.
Anyway it's a pleasure to hear that you're trying to use proper sources for your information for a change
It doesn't matter how you try to re-jig it, twist it or reword it, it's still a decline over the next 2 years. I use the same source of information as you, it's called Google, Lol.
Well you just pop over to the Bank of England web site and google the UK growth forecast for the next two years. That decreased from 2.9% to 2.5% this year and 2.9% to 2.6% for next year. So that's a decline over the next 2 years too. Are we all supposed to cry crocodile tears for the collapse of the UK economy too.... a decline at a much higher rate too. Nothing to be upset about or worry about though - the country isn't imminently going to collapse because a positive forecast has been reduced and nor is the EU. Honestly it might be best if you went back to Nige's cronies and asked for some more party propaganda if that's the best you can do. Or perhaps try Bing? Though that may not help you. It's one thing to research information on-line, another to understand it and use it intelligently.
Surprised you are posting on here at this time? Aren't you drooling over your beloved Jeremy Corbyn spouting nonsense in the Labour leadership debate on sky news????
It's not difficult to surprise you, is it? I've no interest in that debate at all but you go on and enjoy it, just don't let it get your blood pressure up too high, we'd hate to lose you to a labour party debate.
I am watching it yes, thought it would be good for a laugh. "That's the spirit - you enjoy yourself if that's what floats your boat. I of course prefer a nap. | |||
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