Along with Burnham and the other one, their corporate backed smear based campaigns are everything thats wrong about British Politics.....and if Commandant Blair is bleating on so much about how bad Corbyn is, that would be more than enough reason to vote for him (and he's mainly bleating on behalf of his city chums and because Corbyn has stated Blair should rightly be tried as a war criminal) |
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over a year ago
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"Along with Burnham and the other one, their corporate backed smear based campaigns are everything thats wrong about British Politics.....and if Commandant Blair is bleating on so much about how bad Corbyn is, that would be more than enough reason to vote for him (and he's mainly bleating on behalf of his city chums and because Corbyn has stated Blair should rightly be tried as a war criminal)"
absolutely accurate! Corbyn is the breath of fresh air and will stand out as a politician with conviction.something the commons and the labour party desperately needs.
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"Along with Burnham and the other one, their corporate backed smear based campaigns are everything thats wrong about British Politics.....and if Commandant Blair is bleating on so much about how bad Corbyn is, that would be more than enough reason to vote for him (and he's mainly bleating on behalf of his city chums and because Corbyn has stated Blair should rightly be tried as a war criminal) absolutely accurate! Corbyn is the breath of fresh air and will stand out as a politician with conviction.something the commons and the labour party desperately needs."
I don't know that much about Corbyn's plans, but he does strike me as a significantly more decent person and politician than most that we have. |
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Im with Corbyn all the way. Corbyn reflects 1945 labour. Anything other is just lack of ambition/ god forbid new labour. Burnham is dull (had the pleasure of meeting all candidates) he has no leadership qualities. Corbyn has allways stuck to his principles through out his whole carrier.
Liz should probably be wearing a blue tie. I really hope she does leave when Corbyn wins. |
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Genuine question for the Corbyn fans: his recent comments on the falklands, Osama bin Laden and women's only train carriages are:
A) spot on
B) taken out of context
C) not great but I like other things about him
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over a year ago
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"Genuine question for the Corbyn fans: his recent comments on the falklands, Osama bin Laden and women's only train carriages are:
A) spot on
B) taken out of context
C) not great but I like other things about him
???"
its a massive B for this answer.the establishment and media have ensured everything about him is subject to smear and distortion as his transparency and conviction are going to magnify just what vile hypocrisy and lies this countrys people have been hoodwinked with for years. |
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"Genuine question for the Corbyn fans: his recent comments on the falklands, Osama bin Laden and women's only train carriages are:
A) spot on
B) taken out of context
C) not great but I like other things about him
???its a massive B for this answer.the establishment and media have ensured everything about him is subject to smear and distortion as his transparency and conviction are going to magnify just what vile hypocrisy and lies this countrys people have been hoodwinked with for years."
Fair enough. I thought the women only carriages and bin Laden comment were clumsy. The Falklands one is less ambigious and really rubbed me up the wrong way but others are entitled to different opinions. |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion ."
You don't find lib dems compassionate? |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? "
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? "
yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting. |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting."
Right well I agree with that analysis. I think that they were caught in a transition and the election came at a bad time for them. The 'knit your own tofu' crowd abandoned them (which i sort of get) but the center ground weren't quite ready to accept them because they were always the 'beardy wierdy' party until recently. I hope that if they stick with it they'll attract center ground voters and not just revert back to being a protest group.
My problem is that there's a huge gap between my choice of local MPs and what I think of their national party. So the best MP for Reading isn't necessary in the party I want to vote for...
I'm just begging the Lib dems or Labour to actually elect a leader that's had a real job. That was always a credibility problem for clegg and Milliband, Corbyn is the same. No offence but I can't take people seriously who have strong opinions about private vrs public ownership but have never worked in the private sector. It's not that I think the private sector is perfect, far from it, it's just that Ed Milliband's criticism of it was way off the mark. He was pointing the finger left when the problems were on the right. So I don't give them any credibility to sort it out. |
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By *ilberryMan
over a year ago
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Hate to be a kill joy here? This country desperately needs an opposition party with credibility and some form of electoral chance, at the moment we have neither apart from the Revers! who hopefully will be busy in the north? |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting.
Right well I agree with that analysis. I think that they were caught in a transition and the election came at a bad time for them. The 'knit your own tofu' crowd abandoned them (which i sort of get) but the center ground weren't quite ready to accept them because they were always the 'beardy wierdy' party until recently. I hope that if they stick with it they'll attract center ground voters and not just revert back to being a protest group.
My problem is that there's a huge gap between my choice of local MPs and what I think of their national party. So the best MP for Reading isn't necessary in the party I want to vote for...
I'm just begging the Lib dems or Labour to actually elect a leader that's had a real job. That was always a credibility problem for clegg and Milliband, Corbyn is the same. No offence but I can't take people seriously who have strong opinions about private vrs public ownership but have never worked in the private sector. It's not that I think the private sector is perfect, far from it, it's just that Ed Milliband's criticism of it was way off the mark. He was pointing the finger left when the problems were on the right. So I don't give them any credibility to sort it out. "
i see exactly what you mean.this last posting of yours illustrates how most thinking people are crying out for clear ground between the parties instead of a merge of vote grabbing centre politics unhealthy in its closeness to big business and failing to be focused on the interests of ordinary working people. i think we will however see the Tories display their real right wing place over the coming years.not good for those without  |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting.
Right well I agree with that analysis. I think that they were caught in a transition and the election came at a bad time for them. The 'knit your own tofu' crowd abandoned them (which i sort of get) but the center ground weren't quite ready to accept them because they were always the 'beardy wierdy' party until recently. I hope that if they stick with it they'll attract center ground voters and not just revert back to being a protest group.
My problem is that there's a huge gap between my choice of local MPs and what I think of their national party. So the best MP for Reading isn't necessary in the party I want to vote for...
I'm just begging the Lib dems or Labour to actually elect a leader that's had a real job. That was always a credibility problem for clegg and Milliband, Corbyn is the same. No offence but I can't take people seriously who have strong opinions about private vrs public ownership but have never worked in the private sector. It's not that I think the private sector is perfect, far from it, it's just that Ed Milliband's criticism of it was way off the mark. He was pointing the finger left when the problems were on the right. So I don't give them any credibility to sort it out. i see exactly what you mean.this last posting of yours illustrates how most thinking people are crying out for clear ground between the parties instead of a merge of vote grabbing centre politics unhealthy in its closeness to big business and failing to be focused on the interests of ordinary working people. i think we will however see the Tories display their real right wing place over the coming years.not good for those without "
I'll give you an example of my views, I think both private and public sector suffer from something called the 'Agent-principal problem'. It means that an agent (e.g. manager of a organisation) doesn't run the organisation in the best interests of the principal (tax payer / shareholder) and instead they are running it for their own interests.
You could see this when you had RBS bankers taking stupid risks to ensure they got their next bonus. But also in some parts of the NHS where managers were more concerned with meeting targets than actual patient care.
In short, in thoroughly bored with debating whether x, y, z needs to be publically or privately owned because we've tried both and neither was perfect. If these polticians actually understood how these organisations actually worked they would have a better idea how to fix them.
In my experience (I've worked in both private and public) the most accurate depiction of the situation is the "yes minister" series. So I want to see better regulators and people simply held to account for their bloody actions and frankly that would have meant giving one of the banks a bloody nose like the yanks did. |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting.
Right well I agree with that analysis. I think that they were caught in a transition and the election came at a bad time for them. The 'knit your own tofu' crowd abandoned them (which i sort of get) but the center ground weren't quite ready to accept them because they were always the 'beardy wierdy' party until recently. I hope that if they stick with it they'll attract center ground voters and not just revert back to being a protest group.
My problem is that there's a huge gap between my choice of local MPs and what I think of their national party. So the best MP for Reading isn't necessary in the party I want to vote for...
I'm just begging the Lib dems or Labour to actually elect a leader that's had a real job. That was always a credibility problem for clegg and Milliband, Corbyn is the same. No offence but I can't take people seriously who have strong opinions about private vrs public ownership but have never worked in the private sector. It's not that I think the private sector is perfect, far from it, it's just that Ed Milliband's criticism of it was way off the mark. He was pointing the finger left when the problems were on the right. So I don't give them any credibility to sort it out. i see exactly what you mean.this last posting of yours illustrates how most thinking people are crying out for clear ground between the parties instead of a merge of vote grabbing centre politics unhealthy in its closeness to big business and failing to be focused on the interests of ordinary working people. i think we will however see the Tories display their real right wing place over the coming years.not good for those without
I'll give you an example of my views, I think both private and public sector suffer from something called the 'Agent-principal problem'. It means that an agent (e.g. manager of a organisation) doesn't run the organisation in the best interests of the principal (tax payer / shareholder) and instead they are running it for their own interests.
You could see this when you had RBS bankers taking stupid risks to ensure they got their next bonus. But also in some parts of the NHS where managers were more concerned with meeting targets than actual patient care.
In short, in thoroughly bored with debating whether x, y, z needs to be publically or privately owned because we've tried both and neither was perfect. If these polticians actually understood how these organisations actually worked they would have a better idea how to fix them.
In my experience (I've worked in both private and public) the most accurate depiction of the situation is the "yes minister" series. So I want to see better regulators and people simply held to account for their bloody actions and frankly that would have meant giving one of the banks a bloody nose like the yanks did. "
i agree entirely and i believe what corbin will bring is a complete change in the way these events are dealt with.incidentally Iceland JAILED. bankers for their misdeeds!! we bailed them out with taxpayers money,allowed them to set their own agenda,and in the case of rbs have sold at a loss to osbournes cronies.is nobody outraged? i think its inevitable that radical change is vital .our democracy is in a critical state and we need opposition to the current house of career politicians. |
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"I've already voted for Corbyn. me too! its time to redefine the labour party and centre ground politics without compassion .
You don't find lib dems compassionate? yes as it happens....way ahead of the labour party in recent years and an independent approach to equality .however the coalition has done them in along with the media.they did manage to reign in the Tories but it went unappreciated by the great British public when it came to voting.
Right well I agree with that analysis. I think that they were caught in a transition and the election came at a bad time for them. The 'knit your own tofu' crowd abandoned them (which i sort of get) but the center ground weren't quite ready to accept them because they were always the 'beardy wierdy' party until recently. I hope that if they stick with it they'll attract center ground voters and not just revert back to being a protest group.
My problem is that there's a huge gap between my choice of local MPs and what I think of their national party. So the best MP for Reading isn't necessary in the party I want to vote for...
I'm just begging the Lib dems or Labour to actually elect a leader that's had a real job. That was always a credibility problem for clegg and Milliband, Corbyn is the same. No offence but I can't take people seriously who have strong opinions about private vrs public ownership but have never worked in the private sector. It's not that I think the private sector is perfect, far from it, it's just that Ed Milliband's criticism of it was way off the mark. He was pointing the finger left when the problems were on the right. So I don't give them any credibility to sort it out. i see exactly what you mean.this last posting of yours illustrates how most thinking people are crying out for clear ground between the parties instead of a merge of vote grabbing centre politics unhealthy in its closeness to big business and failing to be focused on the interests of ordinary working people. i think we will however see the Tories display their real right wing place over the coming years.not good for those without
I'll give you an example of my views, I think both private and public sector suffer from something called the 'Agent-principal problem'. It means that an agent (e.g. manager of a organisation) doesn't run the organisation in the best interests of the principal (tax payer / shareholder) and instead they are running it for their own interests.
You could see this when you had RBS bankers taking stupid risks to ensure they got their next bonus. But also in some parts of the NHS where managers were more concerned with meeting targets than actual patient care.
In short, in thoroughly bored with debating whether x, y, z needs to be publically or privately owned because we've tried both and neither was perfect. If these polticians actually understood how these organisations actually worked they would have a better idea how to fix them.
In my experience (I've worked in both private and public) the most accurate depiction of the situation is the "yes minister" series. So I want to see better regulators and people simply held to account for their bloody actions and frankly that would have meant giving one of the banks a bloody nose like the yanks did. i agree entirely and i believe what corbin will bring is a complete change in the way these events are dealt with.incidentally Iceland JAILED. bankers for their misdeeds!! we bailed them out with taxpayers money,allowed them to set their own agenda,and in the case of rbs have sold at a loss to osbournes cronies.is nobody outraged? i think its inevitable that radical change is vital .our democracy is in a critical state and we need opposition to the current house of career politicians."
Sorry to say but Corbyn is a career politician too unless I missed something. Left polytechnic, went to a trade union and then became a local councillor aged ~25...
Niger Farage actually has the best credentials on real work experience, and nothing else... |
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true.but he is the only politician who has conviction,transparency and breadth of knowledge to inspire those disenfranchised from politics.the fact that the media have attempted to shred him is enough to qualify his credentials. |
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