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Do you really believe in global warming?
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No but I believe in Father Christmas |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"No but I believe in Father Christmas"
Santa is real i have seen him! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I sure do..warm as toast here and i continually have to throw the duvet off , phewwwwwwwww 
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the heating aint on....
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mind you... i got the flu comming dont help    |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe in the Tooth Faeries- they're hard working girls |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I believe in the Tooth Faeries- they're hard working girls"
I believe i cud have loads of fun with you,  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it's snowing coz it's winter |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
Spain, Lancs |
Its an excuse to raise taxes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like biscuits |
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I believe that the climate is changing but i don't believe we have any control over it - it's happened for millions of years - the sea gives off far more CO2 than we could ever produce |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do you really believe in global warming?
Yep and my kids single handedly caused it.
They left windows and doors open with the heating full blast, would leave their rooms with televisions/stereos/games consoles/hair dryers and straighteners all switched on or on standby, or wallowed in hot baths or showers for hours.
I now go over to their places and see how much of the above I can get away with.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Billy connolly says theres no such thing as "bad weather"
Only the wrong clothes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Snot then....
the ice cap is melting bigtime...Poor polar bears got no where to live...
You can adopt now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Snot then....
the ice cap is melting bigtime...Poor polar bears got no where to live...
You can adopt now "
I'll put one in me garage  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Snot then....
the ice cap is melting bigtime...Poor polar bears got no where to live...
You can adopt now "
i got a fox's glacier mint for them to stand on |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The world shifts on it's axis every couple of millenia and with that shift comes a shift in the icecaps and associated weather systems like the Gulf Stream, the Jet Stream, el Nino etc.. it stands to reason that if your little part of the world is in the way then it's going to change. Hot becomes cold, tropic becomes arid, cold becomes warm, and so on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, I dont. Its just an excuse to tax us more.. The earths climate is constantly changing and I somehow dont think that is anything we can change. The Earth is a living thing, it tends to change. If you look at the really long term geographical climate changes you will see that we are just in a warm bit of an ice age..and soon be back to nice frozen wastelands. :D
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"yes when Bigbad has wind "
Dutch oven pending! |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"yes when Bigbad has wind
Dutch oven pending! im safe for now.....how much carbon do you think you emit?  "
I am going out all day in a pair of old socks and my wellies.....Toe sucking at 10pm pre shower! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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its all a conspiracy i tell you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never truly believed in Global Warming. I can't dispute what scientists say for obvious reasons but everything i've ever learned about weathers systems leads me to believe that everything is cyclical.
Apparently there is a cyle of something like 500 - 700 years in weather patterns. Devastation , destruction, heat , tsunamis etc have happened since time immemorial and will continue to do so.
A couple of years ago i read an article in a tabloid that said rather than warming up , Britain will slowly return to it's ice age state where there will be huge snow drifts. The report went as far to say that Britain will all but disappear.
It's feasible. The Grand Canyon was once an ocean teaming with life. Where did it go ? |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
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Apparently there is a cyle of something like 500 - 700 years in weather patterns. Devastation , destruction, heat , tsunamis etc have happened since time immemorial and will continue to do so. "
I am sure you is right gran! did you see the full cycle through then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyway, if you'd been up here in f-f-f-fookin newcastle this past week global warming is most definately NOT the phrase that immediately springs to mind. |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"Anyway, if you'd been up here in f-f-f-fookin newcastle this past week global warming is most definately NOT the phrase that immediately springs to mind. "
Well at least the English footie players will know what a Russian winter is like. I prefer it hotter like it was at Upton Park mid week |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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maybe its past our time, lets face it we have fucked up the world, maybe we should all die and let the earth repair it self as it will in time and have another sentiant life???
sorry bit deep for this time of night |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
"I believe that the climate is changing but i don't believe we have any control over it - it's happened for millions of years - the sea gives off far more CO2 than we could ever produce"
complete and utter fucking bollocks!
the sea is a net sink for c02 - that means it absorbs it!!
..... for the time being at least - for the sea to become a net producer of co2 rather than a sink we are talking about a level of warming so catastrophic we wouldn't be here to talk about it
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope its just another excuse ta control the masses with fear and extort loads a money through taxes on un green stuff
Akin ta religion actually lol
All hail global warmin xx |
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Global warming is a natural occurring phenomena, it's happened to the Earth more than once and usually results in an ice age eventually (over millions of years)
Apparently the last time the Earth had global warming was because forests started to die, the big side efect was that dinosaurs began to evolve and wouldn't have if the forests didn't diminish. The other day I swear I saw a Stegasaurus in my bedroom so I think evidence like this proves global warming is very real. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
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Nothing drastic is going to happen in my lifetime, and whatever happens after I've gone I won't ever be aware of, so I don't really give a fuck tbh. |
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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
Nothing drastic is going to happen in my lifetime, and whatever happens after I've gone I won't ever be aware of, so I don't really give a fuck tbh. "
Minni wishy aint gonna be happy with you if he finds out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A definite NOOOOOO.
Next question please? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
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Toblerone x You know some sciency words and offer a good argument ( I don't believe it mind ) BUT ... am I right in thinking that IF Global Warming is true - then despite it's name .... WARRRRRRRMING .... the effect can be that we get colder ? Rather like when there have been clear skies on a sunny day we get freezing temps at night because there is no cloud umbrella. Is there a Sc. term for umbrella? Not canopy ..... that's sommat I eat with a drink at a party .... well am I right. ? If you tell me I am ...i'd be to too two mange tout - overjoyed ! xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Apparently there is a cyle of something like 500 - 700 years in weather patterns. Devastation , destruction, heat , tsunamis etc have happened since time immemorial and will continue to do so.
I am sure you is right gran! did you see the full cycle through then? "
BB...... I'm commited and you should be |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Are thats not nice BB you shouldnt pick on old ladies xx |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
they say money makes the world go round.they'll be taxing us for that next. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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yes but don't care
no and don't care
I seem to waver between the two depending on the weather |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
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How does science explain the last ice age then? No large scale burning of fossil fuels, no industrialisation etc etc. Was it caused by a meteor strike or something that caused a catastrophic rise in CO2 and other greenhouse gases? It's all baloney I tell ya. Like Granny says.....it's cyclical.
PS What happened to the hole in the ozone layer eh, eh, eh. Someone darn it? Don't hear much about that these days do we? |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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No dont believe it but if it is true I wish to feck it would hurry up.
Burn more coal folks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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suprising number of daily mail readers present.
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"As someone who actually does science for a living (admittedly I'm an environmental biologist not a climatologist - but that gives me a better than laymans understanding of the science involved to have an educated opinion) I can say categorically that global warming is real, and the best evidence we have so far points to carbon dioxide as the culprit.
Now I retain a healthy scientific scepticism that we might be wrong about what is causing it, but actually it doesnt matter.
the world is warming - full stop - end of story
if it is another facet to orbital precessionary events like the milankovich cycles - or solar cycles - that we previously didnt understand (beacuase these have already been fully tested and ruled out) that's causing the warming then it doesnt matter - we cant stop it - we better get ready to prepare for it.
if it really is co2 then we cant stop it - because we arent giving up fossil fuels any time soon enough to make any difference - so we better get ready to prepare for it.
dont misunderstand me - I'm a long way from the knit-your-own-yogurt-and-equal-rights-for-gay-transgendered-and-lesbian-whales bunch, but be very clear that this is not an issue that simple "beleif" will cut any ice over
How does science explain the last ice age then? No large scale burning of fossil fuels, no industrialisation etc etc. Was it caused by a meteor strike or something that caused a catastrophic rise in CO2 and other greenhouse gases? It's all baloney I tell ya. Like Granny says.....it's cyclical.
PS What happened to the hole in the ozone layer eh, eh, eh. Someone darn it? Don't hear much about that these days do we?"
the last time global warming ocurred.was caused by the dinasaurs.they all had 4*4s.
ffs sake science only found out yesterday.there are 2or3 times more stars,than they thought there were,on wednesday.i could have made a better guess on that one.science is a precise art,thats not all that precise. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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Read up on Krakatoa. After the eruption, scientists have said it depressed the tempratures of the planet and they gradually recoverd during the 20th century... So there's the "recorded" temp increases!
When I was at school in the 60's we were told that we would face planatary problems because our "regulator" was being systematically destroyed. That "regulator" was the Rain Forests dotting the planet. But in our quest for ever more McDonalds burgers and cheap corned beef, we continued to allow it to be destroyed..
Scientists all have vested interest. No matter what branch of science, no one is going to risk being called a "heretic". That can seriously damage their access to funding for almost any project and although they claim to be the great "questioners" they are in fact just looking for the next funding package and will say whatever is in vogue at the time.
That said, I do believe that C02 plays a roll in all of this, but we will get nowhere unless we stop the rape of the planet by major international corporations. Taxing the little man out of existance is not the answer and neither is that god awful Toyota Prius!  |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"suprising number of daily mail readers present.
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Is that supposed to be an insult? A pretty broad statement if I may say, especially as I don't buy newspapers! Just because I choose not to believe Tony B Liars stance on Climate Change (noticed how it changed from Global Warming when they found that most UK citizens were up for a bit of warm weather!!!) Doesn't make me or any one else stupid and unable to form an opinion!
So, bet you read, lets see... The Sun? The Mirror? No, of course you will say you read one of the quality papers. If so, how come you know so much about "Daily Mail Readers"?? Read it in the press??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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no.
the scientists who come up with these ideas are payed by the governments of the world leading nations.
they produce false evidence that is drummed into people so much that they believe it.
and because the information is coming from these so called top bods we all except it.
the only reason things like global warming are bought about is to increase taxes on the people.
same with the millenium bug.every one was told of planes falling out of the skies.cash machines chucking out cash into the streets.electric and water all stopping unless we had every computer or service made y2k ready.
more expense.just an excuse to keep the bosses of top companies happy who back some mp's in the commons when they want to introduce a bill.
same with fuel and the high cost of it.
i bet you we are not anywhere short of oil or gas yet look at the cost of it and how its taxed because its not environment friendly.
war isnt friendly either.but that doesnt stop does it when oil is the prize.
it is a complete lie and so is all the so called evidence on recycling.
watch the bin men through all the glass into the same unit as the recycled products you split apart.
same thing happens at the depots out of eyesight.
all buried in a hole in the ground and covered over.
its all lies and bullshit so they can up taxes.
and i wont believe anything different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe in Angels, something good in everything I see ... all join in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHbwikzNds |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"no.
the scientists who come up with these ideas are payed by the governments of the world leading nations.
they produce false evidence that is drummed into people so much that they believe it.
and because the information is coming from these so called top bods we all except it.
the only reason things like global warming are bought about is to increase taxes on the people.
same with the millenium bug.every one was told of planes falling out of the skies.cash machines chucking out cash into the streets.electric and water all stopping unless we had every computer or service made y2k ready.
more expense.just an excuse to keep the bosses of top companies happy who back some mp's in the commons when they want to introduce a bill.
same with fuel and the high cost of it.
i bet you we are not anywhere short of oil or gas yet look at the cost of it and how its taxed because its not environment friendly.
war isnt friendly either.but that doesnt stop does it when oil is the prize.
it is a complete lie and so is all the so called evidence on recycling.
watch the bin men through all the glass into the same unit as the recycled products you split apart.
same thing happens at the depots out of eyesight.
all buried in a hole in the ground and covered over.
its all lies and bullshit so they can up taxes.
and i wont believe anything different."
agree i saw a green recycling bin lorry drive into the local landfill???????? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"no.
the scientists who come up with these ideas are payed by the governments of the world leading nations.
they produce false evidence that is drummed into people so much that they believe it.
and because the information is coming from these so called top bods we all except it.
the only reason things like global warming are bought about is to increase taxes on the people.
same with the millenium bug.every one was told of planes falling out of the skies.cash machines chucking out cash into the streets.electric and water all stopping unless we had every computer or service made y2k ready.
more expense.just an excuse to keep the bosses of top companies happy who back some mp's in the commons when they want to introduce a bill.
same with fuel and the high cost of it.
i bet you we are not anywhere short of oil or gas yet look at the cost of it and how its taxed because its not environment friendly.
war isnt friendly either.but that doesnt stop does it when oil is the prize.
it is a complete lie and so is all the so called evidence on recycling.
watch the bin men through all the glass into the same unit as the recycled products you split apart.
same thing happens at the depots out of eyesight.
all buried in a hole in the ground and covered over.
its all lies and bullshit so they can up taxes.
and i wont believe anything different."
There may well be some truth in what you say but the oil levels are being depleted rapidly. Now bio fuel is an alternative but if world population keeps growing the land will be needed for food crops not rape seed oil production.
The global warming is in effect a terror tactic for panicking people into doing what they wish i suspect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone else see that episode of Q.I where in order to cut your carbon footprint drastically you should get rid of the family dog ?
Not the four by four, not the fridge, gas fires or electrical goods...... the DOG...
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"I believe that the climate is changing but i don't believe we have any control over it - it's happened for millions of years - the sea gives off far more CO2 than we could ever produce"
its not actually the sea that gives off co2 its coming from all the bubbles that come out of the fishes mouths |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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please explain granny, yove got my interest now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You don't have to be scientist to know that the climate change freaks are talking nonsense. few, if any of their arguments hold up. First, carbon dioxide, The levels of carbon dioxide used to be far higher yet the world did not burn up and die like they foretell. Then there is their crap about 'runaway' global warming. So the world will continue to get warmer even though there is no reason for it? The polar bear will become extinct. No it won't! polar bears were around long before the arctic ice cap. They inhabited places like northern Norway and simply moved onto the Arctic ice in Pursuit of the seals they like to eat.If and When the ice finally melts they will return to their original homes.If the arctic ice melts that will cool down the gulf stream and cause it to sink or block it off. No it wont! the ice is already in the sea and has cooled it already if it melts it will stop cooling the sea altogether. No doubt they will come up with something more spurious to try and back up their theories. If it is correct to dub their crazy notions Theories. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The global temperature has risen 2 degrees since this post was started |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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Odds Bodkins! A record breaking 4! Count 'em! ancient threads resurrected by our own time team expert. |
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If it is real it's not going to be solved by a few solar panels and wind turbines being erected in the uk as some would have you believe. It needs to be tackled on a global scale, and until someone can convince countries like China to stop building upto 2 coal fired power stations a week the uk is not even gonna dent the impact countries like China are having on it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No I dont its just the natural cyckle we go thru.. global warming is a term scientist have come thru with lol. |
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By *horltzMan
over a year ago
heysham |
Im surprised no big company has bought the rights too it , and sold it back to us as an alternative to central heating |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh..... I'll take my lead from the conclusion of Saul Griffiths and his analysis of cause and effect,,,,
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes and No. Sometimes it warms up and sometimes it cools down.
If the powers that be are concerned about the ice on Antartica melting, given that it's also a very windy place, then why not build a huge big windmill that acts as a water pump pumping up the seawater and blowing it as snow onto the land.
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"no.
the scientists who come up with these ideas are payed by the governments of the world leading nations.
they produce false evidence that is drummed into people so much that they believe it.
and because the information is coming from these so called top bods we all except it.
the only reason things like global warming are bought about is to increase taxes on the people.
same with the millenium bug.every one was told of planes falling out of the skies.cash machines chucking out cash into the streets.electric and water all stopping unless we had every computer or service made y2k ready.
more expense.just an excuse to keep the bosses of top companies happy who back some mp's in the commons when they want to introduce a bill.
same with fuel and the high cost of it.
i bet you we are not anywhere short of oil or gas yet look at the cost of it and how its taxed because its not environment friendly.
war isnt friendly either.but that doesnt stop does it when oil is the prize.
it is a complete lie and so is all the so called evidence on recycling.
watch the bin men through all the glass into the same unit as the recycled products you split apart.
same thing happens at the depots out of eyesight.
all buried in a hole in the ground and covered over.
its all lies and bullshit so they can up taxes.
and i wont believe anything different."
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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I believe in climate change. |
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I believe that Bendy-buses are better than the old double-deckers |
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Climate change happens naturally but we are currently in a climate transition that is largely the cause of human activity. I believe and accept the reported evidence of the majority of the worlds climate experts, and not maverick attention seekers. If we can do something to mitigate the severity of it, then we would be dumb not to. We will not stop natural global patterns, but can influence the current one that has been caused by humans, before it gets too severe. Read the recent IPCC report for more in depth analysis if unsure. |
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"Climate change happens naturally but we are currently in a climate transition that is largely the cause of human activity. I believe and accept the reported evidence of the majority of the worlds climate experts, and not maverick attention seekers. If we can do something to mitigate the severity of it, then we would be dumb not to. We will not stop natural global patterns, but can influence the current one that has been caused by humans, before it gets too severe. Read the recent IPCC report for more in depth analysis if unsure. "
Hahaha! the IPCC!!? a self appointed bunch of liars If you believe any of their crap then you need a brain transplant. Nothing they say holds up to any sort of logical analysis. I've just watched a repeat of the programme called Oceans made a few years ago and the so called scientists on there were predicting that the Arctic ice would be all melted by 2013 and spouting the usual dire consequences that were sure to follow -- Extinction of the Polar Bear, Diversion of the gulf stream , Sea levels rising and some insignificant pacific islands being submerged and Blah, Blah, Blah. Has it happened?? no it has not! So much for their 'scientific knowledge' even if the Arctic ice were all to melt the Polar bears would not become extinct, since they have a lot more sense than the Global warming 'scientists' they would simply make their way to dry land and continue their lives there and maybe think "Why did I not try this before?" |
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Revive this thread again in 50 years and we may know the answer by then.
There has only been Ice at the poles for 15% of the time this planet has been here apparently, we are technically still leaving the last ice age, which is fascinating to me at least.
But I do think there is a agenda to use the small amount of data available to try to curb human expectations, which is probably not a bad thing. |
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"But I do think there is a agenda to use the small amount of data available to try to curb human expectations, which is probably not a bad thing. "
No, there isn't. Governments and businesses all over the world are doing everything to AVOID doing the slightest thing to avert what's coming.
If there was a great conspiracy then there would be huge great green projects paid for by green taxes. Instead, fuck all is being done. |
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"And yes I've read enough of their stupid nonsense to know that they are complete liars. And just what would it be that I am making up? Is the Arctic ice still there? Yes? Have the sea levels risen significantly If at all No? Who would it seem to be who are making things up? "
Er, what? The evidence is there that sea levels have risen. You can't just say it's a lie.
I don't think you're really interested in the truth, but for anyone who is there are good websites with the evidence from NASA and the Royal Society, amongst others, while the vast majority of scientists agree that human made global warming is happening.
Or you could just claim it's all lies, with no evidence. |
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Hmm, I wonder if any of the people who believe in Androgenous Global Warming have ever read anything to the contrary? Seems not when all they can do is quote the IPCC 'facts and figures' There are a host of know nothing so called celebrities who back the nonsense pertaining to AGW with no more to back their support of the IPCC than their 'celebrity' based entirely on ignorance of any scientific research into the subject. Try reading books by scientists who are saying that AGW is in fact a myth. They are not saying that Global warming does not exist but simply that the burning of fossil fuels in the quantities which there are being used cannot possibly increase the amount of carbon in the air by any significant amount and certainly nowhere near enough to cause the climate change as predicted by the IPCC. We have already seen their ludicrous claims on temperature rise and sea levels being refuted by the facts that they have not happened. Each time their predictions are not realised they simply push back the dates of our destruction to a further point in the 21st century with more dire consequences claimed to be about to happen such as 'Run away Global warming' and the seas rising to engulf all the dry land in existence. Their main targets for their stupid phrophesies are the young and gullible such as school children. The stupid and gullible, such as rock stars and other lesser celebrities. Hypocrits such as U2 spring to mind here. And our vast army of self righteous parasites such as the hippies. Any one writing in belief of AGW please write quoting a sourcewhich is not the IPCC. Please? |
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"Anyone else see that episode of Q.I where in order to cut your carbon footprint drastically you should get rid of the family dog ?
Not the four by four, not the fridge, gas fires or electrical goods...... the DOG...
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I suppose it would be well to remember that QI is a comedy programme and most of the 'facts' quoted on it are jokes, not meant to be taken seriously, Though I suspect that Stephen Fry does. There is nothing more satisfying than the feeling that we know more than anyone else as the proliferation of Quiz shows would indicate. A propensity of be able to store useless facts in our heads is sure to make us feel superior to others who have not got that questionable ability. Certainly the Global Warmer Brigade do seem to fall into the smarter than thou category. |
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It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not,its happening.
the right wing media will tell you different but they have an agenda. |
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"It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not,its happening.
the right wing media will tell you different but they have an agenda."
In fairness I don't think many of them are disputing whether it's happening or not , a lot of the debate surrounds the theory of if it's man made or cyclical. |
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"I sure do..warm as toast here and i continually have to throw the duvet off , phewwwwwwwww
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Dear global warming deniers.
Your idiots.
That will be all. Thank you.
(Ps it's pointless trying to explain the science to you. You've bought into a conspiracy theory and common sense and science have been replaced by the scientific equivalent of unicorns and fwuffy kittens) |
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"Dear global warming deniers.
Your idiots.
That will be all. Thank you.
(Ps it's pointless trying to explain the science to you. You've bought into a conspiracy theory and common sense and science have been replaced by the scientific equivalent of unicorns and fwuffy kittens)"
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen |
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen "
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect? |
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do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
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"Snot then....
the ice cap is melting bigtime...Poor polar bears got no where to live...
You can adopt now
i got a fox's glacier mint for them to stand on "
Foxs glacier mints
I used to like them.... they were cool.. |
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect? "
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote? |
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"It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not,its happening.
the right wing media will tell you different but they have an agenda.
In fairness I don't think many of them are disputing whether it's happening or not , a lot of the debate surrounds the theory of if it's man made or cyclical. "
Global warming/ climate change is a natural occurance, but the speed at which this cycle is happening is the point here. We have accelerated the change and I fear that now, as the consequences get worse, we are not preparing for the changes. If the Gulf stream stops due to an increase of fresh water from melting ice in the Arctic Ocean, the British climate will cool drastically as a result of Global Warming. We are, after all, further north than a large part of Canada and that has some very cold weather. |
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"Global warming is a natural occurring phenomena, it's happened to the Earth more than once and usually results in an ice age eventually (over millions of years)
Apparently the last time the Earth had global warming was because forests started to die, the big side efect was that dinosaurs began to evolve and wouldn't have if the forests didn't diminish. The other day I swear I saw a Stegasaurus in my bedroom so I think evidence like this proves global warming is very real."
I wonder why i saw
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"It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not,its happening.
the right wing media will tell you different but they have an agenda."
The left wing media also have their own agenda......... |
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"maybe its past our time, lets face it we have fucked up the world, maybe we should all die and let the earth repair it self as it will in time and have another sentiant life???
sorry bit deep for this time of night "
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote?"
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
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"do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
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there would be some pollution around from run off chemical plants etc
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No. It's just weather. It changes. There's been ice ages before. |
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By *horltzMan
over a year ago
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If the planet was full of diplodocus and other big dinosaurs , what would the effects of the giant farts they produce , on our atmosphere ? |
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"No. It's just weather. It changes. There's been ice ages before."
I think the last ice age was 10,000 years ago...
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"do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
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I agree - except that we'll probably have managed to colonise some other planet or similar before extinction. But regardless of what we do, the world will carry on as it did long before.
All sections of politicians et al. use the environmental agenda for their own advantage. That stuff I don't buy into, but I also don't believe it's sensible to shit on your own doorstep and not clean it. |
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
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I don't really get that - so the energy stored within the earths atmosphere has been discharged back into... the earths atmosphere?
So what? |
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"If the planet was full of diplodocus and other big dinosaurs , what would the effects of the giant farts they produce , on our atmosphere ?"
Ahh so thats why the planet was mostly tropical when the dinosaurs ruled the world then.
Still no dinosaurs burnt coal or oil but godzilla breathes fire and the planet still went into an ice age afterwards, maybe it was all the cavemen with their ickle camp fires producing greenhouse gasses that led to climate change tropical planet to ice age planet.  |
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It will be a cold day in hell before i believe in global warming. |
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"It will be a cold day in hell before i believe in global warming."
It will be an even colder day in hell before I even care about global warming/climate change. |
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
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I do think there is a case for global warming the evidence is undeniable...got it...
What concerns me is the kind of simplistic argument you provide that plays into the hands of the sceptics...simple energy debits and credits, don't begin to explain the hugely complicated dynamics involved...got it! |
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All this global warming and yet my computer still freezes. |
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"do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
I agree - except that we'll probably have managed to colonise some other planet or similar before extinction. But regardless of what we do, the world will carry on as it did long before.
All sections of politicians et al. use the environmental agenda for their own advantage. That stuff I don't buy into, but I also don't believe it's sensible to shit on your own doorstep and not clean it."
well i agree. im not in favour of fossil fuels or pollution at all. These things are needed to keep the status quo and to operate a predominantly capitalist consumerist based economy which the majority seem to think they couldnt possibly cant do without. the human race needs to learn to live in harmony with the planet. if it did people would probably have a better quality of life but vastly different from what we have now. People dont want to give up certain things which is basically a selfish view point.
In truth at the end of the day the human race will die out, it wont be able to colonise any other planet and our lives which we often think of as so important will turn out to be completely meaningless. |
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Well! A lot of vey large corporates are busy installing lots of different ( Government funded) technologies. SURELY these companies would not take the piss out of the UK Tax payer |
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"do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
I agree - except that we'll probably have managed to colonise some other planet or similar before extinction. But regardless of what we do, the world will carry on as it did long before.
All sections of politicians et al. use the environmental agenda for their own advantage. That stuff I don't buy into, but I also don't believe it's sensible to shit on your own doorstep and not clean it.
well i agree. im not in favour of fossil fuels or pollution at all. These things are needed to keep the status quo and to operate a predominantly capitalist consumerist based economy which the majority seem to think they couldnt possibly cant do without. the human race needs to learn to live in harmony with the planet. if it did people would probably have a better quality of life but vastly different from what we have now. People dont want to give up certain things which is basically a selfish view point.
In truth at the end of the day the human race will die out, it wont be able to colonise any other planet and our lives which we often think of as so important will turn out to be completely meaningless."
People hundreds of years ago would have thought you stark raving mad if you told them we'd be able to fly in aeroplanes and rocket ships to the moon etc, technology is advancing at an amazing pace so i think we will eventually go to other planets. It's baby steps and we already have the international space station up there, next step will be a permanent base on the moon, then after the moon a manned base on Mars, and so on and so on. Besides fossil fuels won't last forever and the new energy systems developed will be environmentally friendly. Already seeing this with solar power and wind turbines, etc. When oil runs out we will use electric cars, Honda have already developed a car which i think runs on Hydrogen (james may drove it on Top Gear) only thing to come out the exhaust is Co2 and water. I also saw a programme where biofuel energy plants will be built in the future, biofuel made from algae which we will genetically modify to grow at an unbelievable rate environmentally friendly algae fuel will possibly be the fuel of the future? |
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I still dont see why nobody sees the correaltion of global warming and the 'invasion' of the middle east being connected.As the naturally occurring global recycling of the earth has been sped up, we basically have a shorter period of being in a decently habitable part of the world.When the oceans rise I imagine its gonna get very cold...we will need some other part of the world to colonize.Our journey back to africa etc probably will be our key to survival.
Hence the building of influence/power in these regions of the world.
Perhaps parts of that Nostradamus prophecy is true..WW3 may be us invading/colonizing the southern hemisphere etc |
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"do you believe in global warming ? yes
If the question was do i believe in man/woman made global warming the answer is no.
The human race is doomed to extinction and the planet will still be here doing what it does millions and millions of years after we are all gone.
I agree - except that we'll probably have managed to colonise some other planet or similar before extinction. But regardless of what we do, the world will carry on as it did long before.
All sections of politicians et al. use the environmental agenda for their own advantage. That stuff I don't buy into, but I also don't believe it's sensible to shit on your own doorstep and not clean it.
well i agree. im not in favour of fossil fuels or pollution at all. These things are needed to keep the status quo and to operate a predominantly capitalist consumerist based economy which the majority seem to think they couldnt possibly cant do without. the human race needs to learn to live in harmony with the planet. if it did people would probably have a better quality of life but vastly different from what we have now. People dont want to give up certain things which is basically a selfish view point.
In truth at the end of the day the human race will die out, it wont be able to colonise any other planet and our lives which we often think of as so important will turn out to be completely meaningless.
People hundreds of years ago would have thought you stark raving mad if you told them we'd be able to fly in aeroplanes and rocket ships to the moon etc, technology is advancing at an amazing pace so i think we will eventually go to other planets. It's baby steps and we already have the international space station up there, next step will be a permanent base on the moon, then after the moon a manned base on Mars, and so on and so on. Besides fossil fuels won't last forever and the new energy systems developed will be environmentally friendly. Already seeing this with solar power and wind turbines, etc. When oil runs out we will use electric cars, Honda have already developed a car which i think runs on Hydrogen (james may drove it on Top Gear) only thing to come out the exhaust is Co2 and water. I also saw a programme where biofuel energy plants will be built in the future, biofuel made from algae which we will genetically modify to grow at an unbelievable rate environmentally friendly algae fuel will possibly be the fuel of the future?"
you are entitled to your belief. im fairly certain the human race will never colonise another planet for many reasons. But that all just sounds like an arguament for well lets abuse this planet and bleed it dry it doesnt matter we can live on another one. lol the human race isnt exactly old as a species and i dounbt it has much longer left. |
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"Why worry about this when we are quite likely to be killed by jihadist with a dirty bomb "
if you lived in iraq or afghanistan you would prob say why worry about this when we are quite likely to be killed by a drone strike. |
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Its quite simple really, God loves exhaust fumes. he loves them so much he made the dinosaurs then wiped them out to rot down and make oil and coal, then he created humans to extract it and burn it, when it runs out he will wipe us out to make more.
There ya go, you exist cos of some raving cosmic petrol head needs your organic content to make future petrol. |
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Do I believe in global warming? Simple answer...no. In my mind it's far more probable that we've got our science wrong. Honest answer  |
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There must have been, as the ice caps retreated to the Pole's.
I have to smile when they mention like point something degree warmer.... surely the equipment is a lot more accurate today than it was 50, 100, 200, 300 years ago....
I think it should be referred to as climate cycle.... |
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
I don't really get that - so the energy stored within the earths atmosphere has been discharged back into... the earths atmosphere?
So what?"
It took 200 million years to accumulated that energy. It's been released in 500 years.
If you don't understand that I'll start to doubt Darwin's sagacity. |
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Can I just say this thread has become a magnet for stupid people who don't get science?
It's like the Westboro Baptist church without the fun. |
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"Can I just say this thread has become a magnet for stupid people who don't get science?
It's like the Westboro Baptist church without the fun."
The thing about being clever is that it's only ever something you can be certain of if you're clever enough to articulate your thoughts to others.
If you find the stuff you're saying is too clever for people, you're maybe not quite so clever as you think.
If you could explain your theory in a way that makes some sense rather than racking up the smart ass comments, I'd be grateful. Because as I said in the first place - so what? The energy remains where it was... |
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"It took 200 million years to accumulated that energy. It's been released in 500 years.
If you don't understand that I'll start to doubt Darwin's sagacity."
And when Krakatoa last blew it released more carbon dioxide into the the atmosphere in one day than the entire industrial revolution managed. Humans really are not that important, the only thing we have added to this planet is plastic, and in geological terms that is just something else heat pressure and time will turn back into oil. |
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"Can I just say this thread has become a magnet for stupid people who don't get science?
It's like the Westboro Baptist church without the fun."
Quite cool though that those stupid people are debating it over the internet which is powered by fossil fuels |
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One thing that puzzles me is this. I have never heard any of these climate change experts explain what caused the mini ice age or the medieval warm period. If these were to happen now I believe it would be put forward to promote man made global warming.
Could any of the experts on here explain them please? |
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"It took 200 million years to accumulated that energy. It's been released in 500 years.
If you don't understand that I'll start to doubt Darwin's sagacity.
And when Krakatoa last blew it released more carbon dioxide into the the atmosphere in one day than the entire industrial revolution managed. Humans really are not that important, the only thing we have added to this planet is plastic, and in geological terms that is just something else heat pressure and time will turn back into oil."
haha the planet created the human race because it needed plastic. it had all the resources but needed the human race to create it. |
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"One thing that puzzles me is this. I have never heard any of these climate change experts explain what caused the mini ice age or the medieval warm period. If these were to happen now I believe it would be put forward to promote man made global warming.
Could any of the experts on here explain them please?"
Beans... made lots of people fart a lot |
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"It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not,its happening.
the right wing media will tell you different but they have an agenda. The debatable point is whether the Global warming if it is in fact happening, I have my doubts, is a natural phenomenon or being caused by the burning of fossil fuels which is what the extremists want us to believe. The facts are that their psuedo science is full of contradictions which simply do not add up when subjected to careful analyisis. If it is being caused by the burning of fossil fuels then the problem will be gone by the year 2050 when all the known reserves of oil will have been exhausted. Then the real holocaust will begin. Food production will fall dramatically and millions will starve to death. production of life preserving drugs will fall too and millions of ill people who would have been saved from dying will no longer be saved because of the lack of life saving drugs. Something never talked about apart from the twaddle of how wind turbines and solar panels are going to save the day and supply our energy needs."
This scenario you talk of was played out in the television programme i mentioned in one of my earlier posts. As i said there, technology will have moved on a lot more by then, and biofuel energy plants will be built. Its already being experimented with today as the west does not want to rely on fossil fuels when supplies of oil start to run out and the price of a barrel of oil skyrockets. The biofuel energy plants will produce algae based biofuels, algae which we will genetically modify to grow at an unbelievable rate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. As now millions of barrels of oil are produced, in the future these plants will produce millions of barrels of environmentally friendly algae based biofuel. All you need to produce algae is sunlight and the right environmental conditions, some boffin has already worked it all out somewhere. |
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The planet is fine its the human race thats fucked |
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"One thing that puzzles me is this. I have never heard any of these climate change experts explain what caused the mini ice age or the medieval warm period. If these were to happen now I believe it would be put forward to promote man made global warming.
Could any of the experts on here explain them please?
Beans... made lots of people fart a lot "
Ok. Thanks. |
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James Lovelock, the crazy nut behind the Gaia hypothesis, did some calculations and discovered that there wasn't enough blue green algea in the oceans to sustain life on earth for much longer. So what did he do? The only sensible thing. He has gone out in a boat and pumped tonnes and tonnes of blue green algea into the oceans.
Hmmm...did it not cross his mind that maybe his calculations we're wrong? lol
Science is fallible...it's made by humans. And don't even get me started on the scientific method. I know it infuriates the heck out of scientists but the simple fact is that nothing is truly infallible and systems set in place to try and produce 100% results only ever work on probabilities not certainties. If you don't recognise the truth in that statement then it's you who needs to brush up on your science
That's why, ultimately, I'm thinking global warming will turn out to be largely bad science driven by alarmists seeking extra funding. |
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By *utzzCouple
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Let's all just do nothing and wait for some mythical new technology to be invented that will save us all and until then keep burning everything we can dig out of the ground. Fuck the planet, we'll get a new one. Fuck all the animals on the brink of extinction, evolution will give us some shiny new species on our shiny new planet. Fuck 99.9% of the population, there won't be enough room on our space station for them anyway and fuck climate change. |
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"Can I just say this thread has become a magnet for stupid people who don't get science?
It's like the Westboro Baptist church without the fun."
I get science, I just don't care about global warning. |
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I'll believe it when a woman sucks my knob
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Hold on that's gobble warming |
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"One thing that puzzles me is this. I have never heard any of these climate change experts explain what caused the mini ice age or the medieval warm period. If these were to happen now I believe it would be put forward to promote man made global warming.
Could any of the experts on here explain them please?"
Go and read the evidence put forward to the UB.
In the meantime enjoy riding your unicorn to work. |
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"Let's all just do nothing and wait for some mythical new technology to be invented that will save us all and until then keep burning everything we can dig out of the ground. Fuck the planet, we'll get a new one. Fuck all the animals on the brink of extinction, evolution will give us some shiny new species on our shiny new planet. Fuck 99.9% of the population, there won't be enough room on our space station for them anyway and fuck climate change. "
Errr no. We should love and cherish and treat the world as the miraculous jewel it truly is. I'm an environmentalist, don't get me wrong, I'm a total hippy in that way. But that doesn't mean I have to sign up for every crazy theory that favours treating the world in a loving way. Humans should look after the planet, not because there's global warming or because we need the natural resources to fuel our exodus from the planet when the sun dies (lol believe it or not I visited a nature reserve once that had this written on a big plaque as their main reason for existing)...but just because they should.
If you're suggesting that we should only treat the planet nicely because scientists tell us we should...well the problem I've got with that is what if the scientists change their mind? It's just a very fickle approach to caring for the planet. There's soo much more than global warming going on...and some of it conflicts with the main issues behind global warming i.e. underdevelopment, poverty, and war. |
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"One thing that puzzles me is this. I have never heard any of these climate change experts explain what caused the mini ice age or the medieval warm period. If these were to happen now I believe it would be put forward to promote man made global warming.
Could any of the experts on here explain them please?
Go and read the evidence put forward to the UB.
In the meantime enjoy riding your unicorn to work."
I don't have a unicorn, I don't think they exist. Does that mean you don't know? It's ok to admit that you don't know, you would be in good company. I don't believe anybody knows. |
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No.... |
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Regardless of what impact humans have had on the earth it's hugely arrogant to believe that they can go against changes that have been occurring for vastly longer than humans have been on earth.
Only an idiot would willingly make the place they live in a shit hole and I don't see anybody advocating that - but eventually the climate will change significantly and humans will need to adapt or move or die. If you think recycling your pizza box will change that, you're deluded. |
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"Let's all just do nothing and wait for some mythical new technology to be invented that will save us all and until then keep burning everything we can dig out of the ground. Fuck the planet, we'll get a new one. Fuck all the animals on the brink of extinction, evolution will give us some shiny new species on our shiny new planet. Fuck 99.9% of the population, there won't be enough room on our space station for them anyway and fuck climate change.
Errr no. We should love and cherish and treat the world as the miraculous jewel it truly is. I'm an environmentalist, don't get me wrong, I'm a total hippy in that way. But that doesn't mean I have to sign up for every crazy theory that favours treating the world in a loving way. Humans should look after the planet, not because there's global warming or because we need the natural resources to fuel our exodus from the planet when the sun dies (lol believe it or not I visited a nature reserve once that had this written on a big plaque as their main reason for existing)...but just because they should.
If you're suggesting that we should only treat the planet nicely because scientists tell us we should...well the problem I've got with that is what if the scientists change their mind? It's just a very fickle approach to caring for the planet. There's soo much more than global warming going on...and some of it conflicts with the main issues behind global warming i.e. underdevelopment, poverty, and war."
you have absolutely zero say in how the planet is treated. How the planet is treated is down to a few politicians and the 70 people that own 80% of the worlds money |
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Thanks for the gobble warning, higher up. As for someone who wants evidence of mini ice ages etc from long ago - I think you will find scientists now are more geared up to explaining now and predicting the future. Thankfully computing and their models have come a long way. It is worth reading the IPCC reports. Madness not to try to alleviate and mitigate what appears to be happening according to evidence. Get the point about wealth distribution and who has power - sad and bad stuff. |
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The proof of human caused climate change is so overwhelming that only a fool would deny and ignore it. |
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"The proof of human caused climate change is so overwhelming that only a fool would deny and ignore it."
lol case closed then pmsl |
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Just because you stop ignoring evidence admit something is happening does not mean that you have to act to stop it... |
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"Just because you stop ignoring evidence admit something is happening does not mean that you have to act to stop it..."
evidence ? pleeease !
The evidence was apparently over whelming that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
the usa does have weapons of mass destruction. when china is powerfull enough should it invade the usa ? |
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Evidence of what? Global warming? That just because we know about something does not mean we have to act to reduce its effects? Both? |
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"Evidence of what? Global warming? That just because we know about something does not mean we have to act to reduce its effects? Both?"
hmm does that make any sense ?
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"Just because you stop ignoring evidence admit something is happening does not mean that you have to act to stop it...
evidence ? pleeease !
The evidence was apparently over whelming that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
the usa does have weapons of mass destruction. when china is powerfull enough should it invade the usa ?"
I can't tell if you're trolling. There's a difference between a few politicians saying "honest, we know he has weapons but we can't show you without blowing James Bond's cover" and the literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific studies saying the globe is warming and it is definitely because of increased carbon emissions by humans. |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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Too many vested interests behind the global warming charge. Too much money - politicians wanting tax and state control and 'scientists' (many of whom aren't actually scientists), the media wanting a big story. Just because a lot of vested interests claim something doesn't mean it's true |
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"Just because you stop ignoring evidence admit something is happening does not mean that you have to act to stop it...
evidence ? pleeease !
The evidence was apparently over whelming that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
the usa does have weapons of mass destruction. when china is powerfull enough should it invade the usa ?
I can't tell if you're trolling. There's a difference between a few politicians saying "honest, we know he has weapons but we can't show you without blowing James Bond's cover" and the literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific studies saying the globe is warming and it is definitely because of increased carbon emissions by humans."
Aww sweet ! you still believe polticains dont have personal agendas. how is it trolling whne the scenario i propsed was the same feckin thing ? |
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"Too many vested interests behind the global warming charge. Too much money - politicians wanting tax and state control and 'scientists' (many of whom aren't actually scientists), the media wanting a big story. Just because a lot of vested interests claim something doesn't mean it's true"
I see your a non smoker...
When did you stop? Was it after the Tobacco companies admitted that they have known since the late 40s that smoking caused cancer and heart disease in the late 90's? |
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By *xpresMan
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"The world moves on its axis the planet gets hot and cold in different times its not set in stone when the times happen
Here's a little thought for you.
It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
What on earth is the correlation between the times you quote?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
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bull...
the earth is a living breathing thing that now n again cools down hots up the ice age is the classic so is the croatios period when it was hot even hotter than today... Battery my arse |
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Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. It's happening and your belief doesn't make a blind bit of difference. And most people couldn't give a monkeys and will continue to do so until the water reaches their lower lip, at which point they will bob up and down and moan that no-one did anything about it.
But to my mind the whole debate can be ended thus:
If we follow a climate change agenda and try and clean up our act, but it turns out we were wrong and it's not happening, then the worst we've done is make a cleaner planet for future generations.
If we do nothing and continue to consume and pollute at current rates, and it turns out climate change is very real, then it'll be too late and the planet will be fucked up. Millions will die and future generations will be living with the consequences. |
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"Whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. It's happening and your belief doesn't make a blind bit of difference. And most people couldn't give a monkeys and will continue to do so until the water reaches their lower lip, at which point they will bob up and down and moan that no-one did anything about it.
But to my mind the whole debate can be ended thus:
If we follow a climate change agenda and try and clean up our act, but it turns out we were wrong and it's not happening, then the worst we've done is make a cleaner planet for future generations.
If we do nothing and continue to consume and pollute at current rates, and it turns out climate change is very real, then it'll be too late and the planet will be fucked up. Millions will die and future generations will be living with the consequences. "
I agree - except that I think the notion 'we can stop it' is misguided. It will happen anyway albeit possible that the actions of man have sped up the inevitable.
The energy should be focussed on adapting and/or dealing with change, not kidding ourselves we can stop it. |
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"It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
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2 great posts!
Insightful, simple and scientifically accurate. Shame that they have been dismissed with a single misspelled word. |
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"It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
2 great posts!
Insightful, simple and scientifically accurate. Shame that they have been dismissed with a single misspelled word."
So the earth absorbs energy (mostly from the sun I assume). It is 'stored' as fossil fuels.
Lets say that humans had never used those fuels and the earth continued to accumulate a build up of energy below the surface... what would have happened? |
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"It took about 200 million years of the sun shining of the planet to create the trees etc that created the oil and coal we've been burning.
We've now dumped 200 million years of energy in the atmosphere in about 500 years.
Do you seriously think that's had no effect?
Think of the earth as the battery. 200 million years of energy stored up in the oil and coal. Got that?
Right we have discharged that energy back into the planet in about 500 years.
The effects are the changes in global temperatures. Or as rightly pointed out the pace of change.
Got it?
2 great posts!
Insightful, simple and scientifically accurate. Shame that they have been dismissed with a single misspelled word.
So the earth absorbs energy (mostly from the sun I assume). It is 'stored' as fossil fuels.
Lets say that humans had never used those fuels and the earth continued to accumulate a build up of energy below the surface... what would have happened?"
That energy would have stayed fixed (as in carbon fixing) until eventually it was reabsorbed into the mantle by tectonic plate movement. After which it would eventually be re-released by volcanic activity. |
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And not to led to a higher global temperature, despite that energy was continuously being accumulated and stored? |
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"And not to led to a higher global temperature, despite that energy was continuously being accumulated and stored?"
By all accounts it seems not. In fact the more we learn about how the earth works more it seems to be a finely balanced self regulating system that we are seriously disturbing.
The sad part of the climate change debate is that the sceptical side of the debate is funded and orchestrated by the petrochemical industry and is attacking the evidence for man-made climate change exactly the same way as the Tobacco industry attacked the medical evidence for tobacco killing smokers. |
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"Its an excuse to raise taxes"
Thats my take on it to.
climate has changed many times over the years. This just being another cycle in the worlds devlopment |
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By *utzzCouple
over a year ago
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It's been being stored for the last 350 million years. I dare say it could have just kept on being stored for a few more million years without any major effect.
200m years ago the average temperature was about 10 C higher than it is now. This was because of the high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere back then before it was trapped in the decaying organic matter that became fossil fuels.
If we were to re release all of that trapped carbon back into the atmosphere would it not be fair to assume high temps could also return?
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"And not to led to a higher global temperature, despite that energy was continuously being accumulated and stored?
By all accounts it seems not. In fact the more we learn about how the earth works more it seems to be a finely balanced self regulating system that we are seriously disturbing.
The sad part of the climate change debate is that the sceptical side of the debate is funded and orchestrated by the petrochemical industry and is attacking the evidence for man-made climate change exactly the same way as the Tobacco industry attacked the medical evidence for tobacco killing smokers."
That seems very simplistic.
This period is just a tiny blink of the history of the earth and happens to coincide with the conditions necessary for life. Of that tiny blip humans are an even smaller blink. And of that minuscule blink science is so short lived that we can't really comprehend just how insignificant humans and their theories are.
That the earth absorbs energy over time makes sense. It continuing to do so without any impact doesn't. And the little we know of the earths history suggests the climate changes and fluctuates a lot.
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"It's been being stored for the last 350 million years. I dare say it could have just kept on being stored for a few more million years without any major effect.
200m years ago the average temperature was about 10 C higher than it is now. This was because of the high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere back then before it was trapped in the decaying organic matter that became fossil fuels.
If we were to re release all of that trapped carbon back into the atmosphere would it not be fair to assume high temps could also return?
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Why 350m years? |
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350 m years ago was the Carboniferous period when lots of the biggest coal fields were formed round the world |
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"350 m years ago was the Carboniferous period when lots of the biggest coal fields were formed round the world "
That's too simplistic. |
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"350 m years ago was the Carboniferous period when lots of the biggest coal fields were formed round the world "
Sure but the earth must have been absorbing energy from the sun for a much longer time than that.
Although wasn't the earths core already hot? If so there's an energy sandwich somewhere. |
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"All this global warming and yet my computer still freezes."
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"But to my mind the whole debate can be ended thus:
If we follow a climate change agenda and try and clean up our act, but it turns out we were wrong and it's not happening, then the worst we've done is make a cleaner planet for future generations.
If we do nothing and continue to consume and pollute at current rates, and it turns out climate change is very real, then it'll be too late and the planet will be fucked up. Millions will die and future generations will be living with the consequences. "
That's the core problem behind the global warming believers camp; they genuinely believe that by following the suggested course of action required to curb global warming nothing bad could possibly come of it. In fact that course of action is generally based around preventing third world countries from industrialising and forcing them to remain in poverty. It also suggests that the western world develop a more critical approach to various aspects of development, again including industrialisation, which could easily jeopardize multiple generations with economic stagnation.
By all means these things MUST be done if it can be shown that humans really are the main cause of global warming. However, if it turns out that the science was wrong and the calculations were misguided, as it currently seems to be emerging (look up articles on the warming pause if you're interested in that)...then we shouldn't really risk damaging economies and potentially billions of people's lives. Just my 2p |
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Onions Red preferably with either extra mature cheddar or red Leicester. |
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Course I do. Just like I believe that our government has our best intentions at heart.
Has anyone seen Snowpiercer? It's a good film about humans attempting to cool the earth but bring another ice age. |
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"Course I do. Just like I believe that our government has our best intentions at heart.
Has anyone seen Snowpiercer? It's a good film about humans attempting to cool the earth but bring another ice age. "
No but I read State of Fear by Michael Crichton which is an interesting take on the politics |
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By *utzzCouple
over a year ago
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"350 m years ago was the Carboniferous period when lots of the biggest coal fields were formed round the world
That's too simplistic. "
true, that one short sentence doesn't quite fully explain the major geological events that occurred over a few million years of the planet's history lol |
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"And not to led to a higher global temperature, despite that energy was continuously being accumulated and stored?
By all accounts it seems not. In fact the more we learn about how the earth works more it seems to be a finely balanced self regulating system that we are seriously disturbing.
The sad part of the climate change debate is that the sceptical side of the debate is funded and orchestrated by the petrochemical industry and is attacking the evidence for man-made climate change exactly the same way as the Tobacco industry attacked the medical evidence for tobacco killing smokers."
I know money is a necessary evil and certainly what you have just mentioned
Highlights this everything around it corruption disloyality, money is the root of all evil the devil knew what he
Was doing when he Invented money. |
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I am far less sceptical about global warming than I was but there still seems a few holes in the arguments supporting it,but they are becoming smaller holes as the long term models become more refined |
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" the devil knew what he
Was doing when he Invented money. "
An imaginary being created money? |
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Anyone ever wondered why David Bellamy is never on TV anymore and has not been for years????
The "GREEN" idea is an industry which seems concerned with making money. Carbon Footprints seem to be able to be paid off with money like a debt?? how does that work???
So we all sit around keeping warm with our energy lightbulbs and our Bag for Life....whilst at the same time uranium bombs are dropped all over the world by those in change.... Hmmmm
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"Anyone ever wondered why David Bellamy is never on TV anymore and has not been for years????
The "GREEN" idea is an industry which seems concerned with making money. Carbon Footprints seem to be able to be paid off with money like a debt?? how does that work???
So we all sit around keeping warm with our energy lightbulbs and our Bag for Life....whilst at the same time uranium bombs are dropped all over the world by those in change.... Hmmmm
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And when was the last uranium bomb dropped?
Was that Uranium 234, 235, 236 or 238?
And do you know the difference between them?
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"In fact that course of action is generally based around preventing third world countries from industrialising and forcing them to remain in poverty. It also suggests that the western world develop a more critical approach to various aspects of development, again including industrialisation, which could easily jeopardize multiple generations with economic stagnation."
There's no will to stop 3rd world industrialising. The more developed countries there are, the more people can buy our products and services. It'd just be better in the long term if they skipped coal and went straight to renewables.
It really isn't a matter of belief. The evidence is overwhelming. If it was a murder trial, global warming would be a body and man made co2 would be a man standing over it, holding the murder weapon, covered in blood, with 1000 witnesses and a signed confession.
Some people have mentioned politicians having other motives. They might be trying to raise taxes and control businesses on the back of this. But that doesn't change the science. |
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Scepticism over the agenda and the politics isn't an excuse to be ignorant and selfish. But the way people discuss it as an issue doesn't help, it always seems to become a combination of shouting, sneering and willy measuring rather than any interest in sharing views..
If there is a solution to the worlds problems however I'm confident it will be found on this forum first. |
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Of course I believe in global warming.... and I accept there is enough firm evidence to prove our plant does indeed go through a natural cycle of climate change..
However I also believe there is enough firm evidence to prove human activity is having such a detrimental effect on the planets eco-systems and we are without doubt contributing to the increase and acceleration of climate change ....
lastly I think anyone who doesn't believe the human race should take every measures necessary to minimise the impact our activity has on the environment is basically little more than a selfish prick...
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