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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself." well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? " Free our minds. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself." But you want people to listen to you and do what you're doing. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. Lots of people find their personal spirituality within themselves, more than you might think. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds." to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself." I agree, we should get together with some like minded people   | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself." Your cool, we come here as a student and leave as one | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself." Isn't this a philosophy of its own? | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. But you want people to listen to you and do what you're doing. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. Lots of people find their personal spirituality within themselves, more than you might think." I don't want anything from people, just offering help to get people started if they are interested, the it's up to them to search. I'm opening this up for discussion, so we can enquire together, no need to be assumptive of me. | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds. to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others " That's a very serious point, can someone live with all those things around them and still have a free mind, is isolation the key? | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. But you want people to listen to you and do what you're doing. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. Lots of people find their personal spirituality within themselves, more than you might think. I don't want anything from people, just offering help to get people started if they are interested, the it's up to them to search. I'm opening this up for discussion, so we can enquire together, no need to be assumptive of me." I didn't say you want anything from people but I am trying to open up the discussion with my opinion that by saying that people should think the way you think is asking them to listen to you......we can never escape that connection with others and be genuinely original thinkers. You also told me I was making assumptions about you thereby not allowing me freedom of thought. I am a huge advocate of finding ones own spiritual path but it's unlikely that it will be entirely original....in my opinion. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds. to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others That's a very serious point, can someone live with all those things around them and still have a free mind, is isolation the key?" I think so... how can someone not be influenced by his surroundings ? especially in the society we are living in | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. But you want people to listen to you and do what you're doing. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. Lots of people find their personal spirituality within themselves, more than you might think. I don't want anything from people, just offering help to get people started if they are interested, the it's up to them to search. I'm opening this up for discussion, so we can enquire together, no need to be assumptive of me. I didn't say you want anything from people but I am trying to open up the discussion with my opinion that by saying that people should think the way you think is asking them to listen to you......we can never escape that connection with others and be genuinely original thinkers. You also told me I was making assumptions about you thereby not allowing me freedom of thought. I am a huge advocate of finding ones own spiritual path but it's unlikely that it will be entirely original....in my opinion." " original thinkers " isn't the key, I'm talking about seeing, not knowing, not paths, seeing right in front of you, where you are standing right now. | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds. to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others That's a very serious point, can someone live with all those things around them and still have a free mind, is isolation the key? I think so... how can someone not be influenced by his surroundings ? especially in the society we are living in " Maybe a free mind can do that, totally uninfluenced by the outside world. What is the person that is being influenced, is he or she just thoughts? | |||
"Individuality..keeping an open mind but forming your own beliefs, ideas and concepts?" Way beyond that. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds. to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others That's a very serious point, can someone live with all those things around them and still have a free mind, is isolation the key? I think so... how can someone not be influenced by his surroundings ? especially in the society we are living in Maybe a free mind can do that, totally uninfluenced by the outside world. What is the person that is being influenced, is he or she just thoughts?" where will he learn things from then ? if the things is not being influenced by someone or something | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch..." You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" | |||
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"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. well even if you look for yourself, how you will do that without to listen to somebody or read a book ? Free our minds. to free your mind, you really need to live isolated then... because your mind will get filled with ideas from others That's a very serious point, can someone live with all those things around them and still have a free mind, is isolation the key? I think so... how can someone not be influenced by his surroundings ? especially in the society we are living in Maybe a free mind can do that, totally uninfluenced by the outside world. What is the person that is being influenced, is he or she just thoughts? where will he learn things from then ? if the things is not being influenced by someone or something " We still have to learn practical stuff, but I'm talking about a unlearned deep spirituality, one that is seen. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. But you want people to listen to you and do what you're doing. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. Lots of people find their personal spirituality within themselves, more than you might think. I don't want anything from people, just offering help to get people started if they are interested, the it's up to them to search. I'm opening this up for discussion, so we can enquire together, no need to be assumptive of me. I didn't say you want anything from people but I am trying to open up the discussion with my opinion that by saying that people should think the way you think is asking them to listen to you......we can never escape that connection with others and be genuinely original thinkers. You also told me I was making assumptions about you thereby not allowing me freedom of thought. I am a huge advocate of finding ones own spiritual path but it's unlikely that it will be entirely original....in my opinion. " original thinkers " isn't the key, I'm talking about seeing, not knowing, not paths, seeing right in front of you, where you are standing right now." So am I to listen to you or not? I feel that original thinking is important to seeing what's in front of me but you tell me it isn't key  . It strikes me that you want me to do this your way even though you claim you don't. | |||
"Individuality..keeping an open mind but forming your own beliefs, ideas and concepts? Way beyond that." A wonderful idea, but impossible in this day and age unless you completely cut off from society surely? | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment! "Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start. | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self"" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start."Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one "Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant. | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. " No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone." So the next question is, what is the self? | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant."In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war. The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope. | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. So the next question is, what is the self?" I don't know what anybody else's is, I only know what mine is. | |||
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"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. So the next question is, what is the self? I don't know what anybody else's is, I only know what mine is." What is your self? | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope. "Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem? | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. So the next question is, what is the self? I don't know what anybody else's is, I only know what mine is. What is your self?" I can't articulate it well but essence is the closest I can come to it. | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. So the next question is, what is the self? I don't know what anybody else's is, I only know what mine is. What is your self? I can't articulate it well but essence is the closest I can come to it." Is that essence thought? | |||
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"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?"Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ? | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?
Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ?
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"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?
Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ?
Learned habit?"Maybe. As being brought up as a catholic I feel it is mental conditioning from an early age. Without getting into religion and straight back to your previous statement about changing the mind in an instant, you do know there is a name for that? | |||
"It's easier to wait till a cool movie comes out like Star Wars, then nick their religion. " | |||
"What about wicca? You could be a lone witch... You can indeed but you still have influences from outside your "self" That's true but they don't have to influence your actions. No they don't but you do need to be very "self" aware and mindful to prevent that happening. I think that's my main point in all this you simply cant avoid outside influence unless you can get in touch with the true essence of your "self" and you can't do that by listening to other people it has to be something you come to alone. So the next question is, what is the self? I don't know what anybody else's is, I only know what mine is. What is your self? I can't articulate it well but essence is the closest I can come to it. Is that essence thought?" I don't know, it's possible the two are connected. Cogito ergo sum. | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?
Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ?
Learned habit?
Maybe. As being brought up as a catholic I feel it is mental conditioning from an early age.
Without getting into religion and straight back to your previous statement about changing the mind in an instant, you do know there is a name for that? "Not sure I do, enlighten me please. | |||
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"I dont belong to any as I am not a beleiver "You're a self body worshipper. If you eat cake and spoil your body muscle diet, you'll have to spank yourself. | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. " I thought that too...... | |||
"I dont belong to any as I am not a beleiver
You're a self body worshipper. If you eat cake and spoil your body muscle diet, you'll have to spank yourself. "That's right I worship myself lol yeah not to many cakes, one or 2 carrot cakes tho mm | |||
"Why do people feel the need to belong to a Religion, cult, philosophy etc. It take courage and energy to stand alone and seek the truth for yourself, when it is from a book or passed down by word of mouth, it becomes polluted by the ideals and opinions of others. Why not seek for yourself, by yourself, then it is in you and unquestionable, and there is no fear leading to violence to defend it. Don't listen to me or anybody else, find out for yourself. None of us exist in a vacuum and true original thinkers are rare indeed. I thought that too...... " | |||
"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?
Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ?
Learned habit?
Maybe. As being brought up as a catholic I feel it is mental conditioning from an early age.
Without getting into religion and straight back to your previous statement about changing the mind in an instant, you do know there is a name for that?
Not sure I do, enlighten me please."Think about it, what would you use to change someone's 'way of thinking' in an instant? Terrorists use them all the time  | |||
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"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU" Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger | |||
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"Call it cave man syndrome if you like. In a nutshell mankind will always run I a 'pack' or a 'tribe', safety in numbers so to speak. Wether it be religion, joining the military, a football team, political party etc...... Man surrounds himself with like minded folk and his group will turn on others, just take a look throughout history. I think I've just had an david Attenborough moment!
Do you feel it may be possible for us to break away from our cave people roots, haven't we got the intelligence to do that? we have identified it for a start.
Only time, evolution and Mother Nature can answer that. Mankind, we are are all to hung up on power and greed. I feel a superior race need to hold a big gun to our heads and make us sort our act out. I could talk all night about this thread. Nice one
Evolution takes too long, we haven't evolved since we were in caves, we have technology etc, but psychologically, we are the same, countless wars over thousands of years prove this, fear, anger, violence, all these traits have caused us so much grief, yet we still cling to them, are we trapped in our own animal past. Maybe there is a way to move from this by seeing through it, that's what I'm looking for, changing the mind in an instant.
In an instant? Yes I can relate to that, however for me to see the world for what it really is and make a life changing decision in an instant took experience of all of those things you mentioned, fear, anger violence and war.
The human condition, the circle of life is we want peace after we have experienced the worst of life, I believe we are meant to suffer in order to sustain. You want a miracle and that is why we have religion, hope.
Reading you comment, I note the word " want", is that part of the problem?
Want? Maybe it is, but then it's only natural to want. Here is a question for you , why is it when we have a close shave with death we sat 'oh my god!' ?
Learned habit?
Maybe. As being brought up as a catholic I feel it is mental conditioning from an early age.
Without getting into religion and straight back to your previous statement about changing the mind in an instant, you do know there is a name for that?
Not sure I do, enlighten me please.
Think about it, what would you use to change someone's 'way of thinking' in an instant? Terrorists use them all the time "I'm not talking about changing someone's way of thinking, I'm talking about people seeing truth for themselves, without thought or outside influences. | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger " I don't always agree or understand most of it but then I am not enlightened. Who is? But on that one if you are self fulfilled then you have no need or interest in self. Like when you''ve eaten you have no interest in food. But anyway, The Silence Of the Tao was always my favourite to read but mislaid it ages ago. Must get another copy  | |||
"Seek the truth about what?" The entire universe. | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger " What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts? | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts?" Its whoever you are | |||
Always think things through and pursue logic to wherever it leads, see the bigger picture of what conclusions you're leading to, recognise what you can know and what you can't, open yourself to new experiences that challenge you, never take someone elses word for it, always keep an open ear for wisdom from the least likely sources, never accept or reject something purely due to peer pressure, always pass your thinking by your gut and your heart to see what they have to say on it, and above all... test test test and retest your beliefs over and over again, throw them to the wolves, and see what survives all that. Whatever does... is more true than the rest  | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts? Its whoever you are" But what is that comprised of, try this exercise, if you have thoughts in your head now, observe them and tell me what happens. | |||
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"Total truth seeking junky here
Always think things through and pursue logic to wherever it leads, see the bigger picture of what conclusions you're leading to, recognise what you can know and what you can't, open yourself to new experiences that challenge you, never take someone elses word for it, always keep an open ear for wisdom from the least likely sources, never accept or reject something purely due to peer pressure, always pass your thinking by your gut and your heart to see what they have to say on it, and above all... test test test and retest your beliefs over and over again, throw them to the wolves, and see what survives all that. Whatever does... is more true than the rest "Question everything, never stop learning, two maxims I live by. | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you "Try the exercise above. | |||
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"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts? Its whoever you are But what is that comprised of, try this exercise, if you have thoughts in your head now, observe them and tell me what happens." Got a hard on | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts?" Chemical reactions , interactions and electricity , self is the infinite combination xx | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts? Its whoever you are But what is that comprised of, try this exercise, if you have thoughts in your head now, observe them and tell me what happens. Got a hard on" Oh dear. | |||
"No self interest Self is fulfilled - LAO TZU Yeah I don't always agree with him , No interest in self one does not know if one is fulfilled or not Quantum zen or as above the tao of schrodinger What is the self, the thing we call I, me etc, is it just thoughts? Chemical reactions , interactions and electricity , self is the infinite combination xx" What happens when you observe your thoughts? | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above."You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room  | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room "But what happens when you observe your thoughts? | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?"Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol | |||
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"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol "Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation. | |||
"I thought u wanted to stand alone and seek the 'truth' for yourself Op" But we need a starting point, question everything, I'm looking to learn too. | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol
Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation."I did it. What were you expecting? | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol
Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation."I did 3===D | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol
Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation.
I did it. What were you expecting?"It's about you, what happened to the thoughts? | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol
Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation.
I did it. What were you expecting?
It's about you, what happened to the thoughts?"I don't know... I can't remember. I was just thinking mainly that you're probably best off telling us what happens to you and letting us know what you're getting at rather than expecting to replicate whatever it is you're trying to say in someone else. Aside from that there were various random thoughts floating around as usual. A stream of thoughts tinkling around in the nooosphere lol | |||
"Oh and I forgot the most important one... sometimes just chill out, lie back, let your mind go silent, and see what comes to you
Try the exercise above.
You're preaching to the choir dude. Done all that and more... in my pursuit of Truth of course lol. Once did so much meditation I saw some gurus head shine golden rays out into the room
But what happens when you observe your thoughts?
Errr I observe that I think you're starting to sound like a broken record lol
Nobody has done it, it would move us on further in this conversation.
I did it. What were you expecting?
It's about you, what happened to the thoughts?
I don't know... I can't remember. I was just thinking mainly that you're probably best off telling us what happens to you and letting us know what you're getting at rather than expecting to replicate whatever it is you're trying to say in someone else. Aside from that there were various random thoughts floating around as usual. A stream of thoughts tinkling around in the nooosphere lol "But me telling you is suggestion, people have to see it themselves, an old Indian chap asked me this years ago and we explored why it happens, you mentioned something in an earlier comment about meditation, and this is very important within that area. | |||
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"It's about you, what happened to the thoughts? I don't know... I can't remember. I was just thinking mainly that you're probably best off telling us what happens to you and letting us know what you're getting at rather than expecting to replicate whatever it is you're trying to say in someone else. But me telling you is suggestion, people have to see it themselves, an old Indian chap asked me this years ago and we explored why it happens, you mentioned something in an earlier comment about meditation, and this is very important within that area." Sorry dude but I don't think its gonna work in this kind of forum format. I love the idea of you chilling out with some old Indian dude and I'm keen to know what wonderful pearls of wisdom he imparted on you. But this kind of thing just can't be replicated on cyberspace. I can't see your face. I can't hear the intonation of your words. I'm missing loads of extra sensory information that would normally help me figure out what you were asking me but when I read your words "observe your thoughts" I'm afraid it merely translates as "observe your thoughts" which is pretty much what I'm doing 24/7. If you're gonna take someone on this journey via text alone I'd recommend you develop more of a conversational enchanting storytelling manner, filling out the textual journey somewhat with ways of thinking and ways of looking and helping lead them towards whatever it is you're hoping to reveal to them that way... its kinda how books work All the best  | |||
