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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit! But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up. Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results. So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on. And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us. Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite. I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend. But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan? Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing. So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat. So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself. And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You! | |||
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"Everyone knows my religion is the only true religion
Naaah, my God is better than yours "That there's fightin' talk! | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.
No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.
And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.
I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.
But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?
Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?
And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.
For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.
So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.
In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You! "So what you saying? | |||
"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" " Completely agree with the zealous & bigoted part on both sides with some people.Ricky Gervais is always trying to ram his atheism down people's throats. | |||
"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" Completely agree with the zealous & bigoted part on both sides with some people.Ricky Gervais is always trying to ram his atheism down people's throats." Atheism has become a religion, in a way... | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.
No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.
And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.
I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.
But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?
Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?
And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.
For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.
So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.
In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You! "Can anyone provide a summar  | |||
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"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" Completely agree with the zealous & bigoted part on both sides with some people.Ricky Gervais is always trying to ram his atheism down people's throats. Atheism has become a religion, in a way..." The truth is that it's very hard to understand people's true motivations for something. Not least of all because people lie but people aren't always conscious of their reasons anyway. For example people that go and fight for ISIS claim to be motivated by 'religion'. What's less reported are the excellent salaries they get for doing so, by regional standards anyway. ~$1,000 a month in a shit hole like Syria, ummm yes please, not exactly a lot of other jobs going at the local supermarket at the moment. What's that - do I believe in the caliphate? Errr sure, why not... | |||
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"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. " " Are you sure about that? | |||
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"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" " Haha | |||
"I dont need religion. I am a non believer "then you must watch phils videos, hes the biggest legend on youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes/videos | |||
"Everyone knows my religion is the only true religion
Naaah, my God is better than yours "Well in chapter 5 v2. mine says do not lower yourself to the false believers challenges | |||
"I'm an aethiest, don't celebrate Christmas or Easter or any other festivals. But I respect all religions though I will critise the hypocrisy of many who claim to be religious" Totally agree with that as well | |||
"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" Completely agree with the zealous & bigoted part on both sides with some people.Ricky Gervais is always trying to ram his atheism down people's throats." In the interests of balance Atheists have a bit of catching up to do when it comes to ramming things down are throats, I, along with most had and education that has, unwittingly on my part, left me with a knowledge of the Bible and easily remembered hymns and prayers. Can't say the same for Gervais's opinions | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.
No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.
And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.
I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.
But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?
Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?
And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.
For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.
So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.
In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to." Can I call myself heterosexual if I suck cocks ? People are using religion as a politic tool. If you kill other humans being when your religion clearly forbiden it... you can't call yourself religious | |||
"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. The only balanced depiction of the matter I've ever seen is season 7, episode 12 of South Park; "all about Mormons" " Totally disagree Atheist don't recruit, get together on a Sunday, knock on doors or stand in town acosting people, Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if religion it's ok, if a non believer shares his opinion the religious crew claim hard done to, Quite anti religious here, it provides nothing other than bringing good people together, As mentioned in the George Carlin quite above its all about money and control, QUESTION EVERYTHING | |||
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"What's hilarious is that anti-religious brigade are every bit as zealous and bigoted as the religious brigade they criticise. " Are you sure about that? " Yes. If you read that rant at the start it says "there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was." That's an absolute statement, no room for debate. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. Even the Catholic Church no longer talks in such terms. They believe there is a God but it's a matter of "faith" (i.e there is possibility there is no God). Being open to said possibility doesn't make you stupid or wrong, in fact its worth exploring, hence the term 'doubting Thomas' | |||
"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.
No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.
So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.
And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.
I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.
But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?
Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?
And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.
For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.
So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.
In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You! "This is amazing. Btw...we call him the wizard in the sky. Ive tried the methodists, Catholics, Jehovah's witnesses and I'm actually a baptised Mormon..... Its all total jarg. Fatbird | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to." Yes non beleivers are not as extreme in their views. | |||
"You wouldn't believe the tirades of utter hatred I receive when I mention my religion. Saying you're Muslim these days is like saying you eat baby sandwiches. Hilariously, these people are convinced I'm a fanatical suicide bomber who's momentarily slipped off her burka and backpack to take nude photos for a sex site..... " Hahaha | |||
"I maybe be wrong but I think the poster is saying that they don't believe in religion. I could be wrong though." I think you might be right - by way of the late, great George Carlin, no less. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Can I call myself heterosexual if I suck cocks ? People are using religion as a politic tool. If you kill other humans being when your religion clearly forbiden it... you can't call yourself religious " Yes but saying "let's do Jihad - it's profitable" doesn't inspire the same kind of romantic press coverage | |||
"Everyone knows my religion is the only true religion
Naaah, my God is better than yours "Sings - "My god brings all the girls to the yard!" | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to." Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Can I call myself heterosexual if I suck cocks ? People are using religion as a politic tool. If you kill other humans being when your religion clearly forbiden it... you can't call yourself religious Yes but saying "let's do Jihad - it's profitable" doesn't inspire the same kind of romantic press coverage " Totally agree, it is political. | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. " I did say tend..lol Uncle Joe did have his moments | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should." Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. I did say tend..lol Uncle Joe did have his moments" Ha ha, human nature and the structure of our societies are that some people seek power. If it suits them they will use religion to justify why they should be given power, if politics or some other cause works as a better argument then they'll use that instead. | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... " Nicely put. | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... Nicely put. "Nicely put indeed! Now I can get back to polishing my gun and eating my baby sandwich. Inshallah .... | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... Nicely put.
Nicely put indeed!
Now I can get back to polishing my gun and eating my baby sandwich.
Inshallah ...."Don't you do that only for Jumma'a? | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should." Has you state 'history' The world has moved on. Islam is still stuck in the Middle Ages . I think religion is great for comfort in life but the minute it becomes a way of life and forced on others then it should be banned. | |||
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"Jedi with a hint of pagan "Fish and chips with a light sabre | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. " Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. | |||
"Religion has it's uses." That's its main problem. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. " Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Has you state 'history' The world has moved on. Islam is still stuck in the Middle Ages . I think religion is great for comfort in life but the minute it becomes a way of life and forced on others then it should be banned. " US and UK in Iraq, Afghanistan, history doesn't only mean a long time ago, we all display savagery, US and UK savagery is just more efficient. | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "My view its that its personal | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... Nicely put.
Nicely put indeed!
Now I can get back to polishing my gun and eating my baby sandwich.
Inshallah ....
Don't you do that only for Jumma'a? "Yes. But I've got that Friday feeling! | |||
"Why do people always focus on Islam when looking at the negative aspects of religion, have you looked at the christians throughout history, maybe you should. Because, at the moment, it is convenient for the establishment... Nicely put.
Nicely put indeed!
Now I can get back to polishing my gun and eating my baby sandwich.
Inshallah ....
Don't you do that only for Jumma'a?
Yes. But I've got that Friday feeling!"haha | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. " I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding." I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. " Cheers... You've just ruined it now! 42! Nerrr!! | |||
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" Now I can get back to polishing my gun and eating my baby sandwich. Inshallah ...." Can't decide if this is some kind of euphemism..... | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. " And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods. | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods." Errr nope that's not the conclusion of the study, the opposite in fact. Try reading a scientific study, instead of reverting to throw away clichés. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods." The best answer ever ! you are so bright ! I can't debate with you... you are higher than me mate | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods. Errr nope that's not the conclusion of the study, the opposite in fact. Try reading a scientific study, instead of reverting to throw away clichés." It's not a throwaway cliché. It's from watching and observing behaviour and knowing history. You have mentioned one study. There are others on the same subject, no doubt, who probably disagree with the one you mentioned. I know some religious zealots, and I know how their beliefs could be put to use, if you were so inclined. | |||
"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "I went to church on Friday but I cba to find the thread that outlined how I got pissed, had a *smoke* in the vestry and then pissed on the back wall. That's what I think of religion. | |||
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then you must watch phils videos, hes the biggest legend on youtube
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"Wonder how much money is in the Vatican bank.....? Or how many gospels are being withheld." A lot. Of both. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods. Errr nope that's not the conclusion of the study, the opposite in fact. Try reading a scientific study, instead of reverting to throw away clichés. It's not a throwaway cliché. It's from watching and observing behaviour and knowing history. You have mentioned one study. There are others on the same subject, no doubt, who probably disagree with the one you mentioned. I know some religious zealots, and I know how their beliefs could be put to use, if you were so inclined." Well feel free to reference the studies that support your beliefs, that's kind of what debating is about. I'm not aware of any published papers disputing Colliers study. As I said, it's very objective and very scientific - sorry if the evidence gets in the way of your predefined view | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods. Errr nope that's not the conclusion of the study, the opposite in fact. Try reading a scientific study, instead of reverting to throw away clichés. It's not a throwaway cliché. It's from watching and observing behaviour and knowing history. You have mentioned one study. There are others on the same subject, no doubt, who probably disagree with the one you mentioned. I know some religious zealots, and I know how their beliefs could be put to use, if you were so inclined. Well feel free to reference the studies that support your beliefs, that's kind of what debating is about. I'm not aware of any published papers disputing Colliers study. As I said, it's very objective and very scientific - sorry if the evidence gets in the way of your predefined view" My view is only defined by my observations, not my beliefs. Tell me, who is it that kills abortionists in America? Is it atheists, Buddhists, Taoists or fundamentalist christians? That's how powerful faith can be. It's a very dangerous tool. They weren't killed for financial gain. Or how about gay bashing or honour killing? Is that just politics or us that rooted in peoples twisted ideas of what their god wants? | |||
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Historically speaking, zealous atheists have preferred firing squads and concentration camps to beheading. Did they do it in the name of atheism? Or was the fact that I hey were atheists, just a side issue. An atheist can never use the defence of "God told me to do it", like George Dubya did. Yes it's a side issue, that's the whole point! Do you seriously believe people are running around the middle east beheading people because of "religion" rather than the ~$1,000 a month they are getting paid to do it? Those ISIS tossers are no more motivated by real Islam than ol' Joe's firing squads were motivated by atheism or anti-semitism. I doubt the average Nazi party member really gave a crap about anti-semitism either but you gotta pay the mortgage and nobody else was hiring at the time. You really can't take extremists at their word when they describe their motivations. I think you might have underestimated the power of religious fervour. Granted, their are political reasons for what's happening, but the easiest way to gather a fanatical army over there is to brainwash the already ill educated and susceptible. The heads of ISIS might not even believe that what they are doing is in gods name, but its a sure fire way of getting others to do their bidding. I recommend reading "Greed and Grievance in Civil Wars" by Oxford professor Paul Collier. It's an objective, scientific study into the relationship between civil war and whether economic factors (greed) or grievances (e.g. religion) are the significant factor. Spoiler alert: it's money all the way. And religion is the tool used to manipulate the masses. They just like to hide the real reasons behind gods. Errr nope that's not the conclusion of the study, the opposite in fact. Try reading a scientific study, instead of reverting to throw away clichés. It's not a throwaway cliché. It's from watching and observing behaviour and knowing history. You have mentioned one study. There are others on the same subject, no doubt, who probably disagree with the one you mentioned. I know some religious zealots, and I know how their beliefs could be put to use, if you were so inclined. Well feel free to reference the studies that support your beliefs, that's kind of what debating is about. I'm not aware of any published papers disputing Colliers study. As I said, it's very objective and very scientific - sorry if the evidence gets in the way of your predefined view My view is only defined by my observations, not my beliefs. Tell me, who is it that kills abortionists in America? Is it atheists, Buddhists, Taoists or fundamentalist christians? That's how powerful faith can be. It's a very dangerous tool. They weren't killed for financial gain. Or how about gay bashing or honour killing? Is that just politics or us that rooted in peoples twisted ideas of what their god wants?" .Hallelujah Praise the lord
Or if your tom cruise.... There on that comet coming back for me! Yehaaaw
Or if your a Jehovah's witness, remember they actually believe your doomed all doomed
Allah Akbar, kill the non- believers
Or if your a Hindu... Don't eat his cow, because that's a death sentence
Or you could just be a very mediocre benign Buddhist, with no emotions!
No no no the real god is Jehovah, chop off bits of your childs penis to show your faith!
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"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to." Pol pot shot them and belittled bhudism Stalin starved them and burned the churches Hitler gassed them and blew up the synagogues Atheists aren't necessarily saints! | |||
"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "Not for me thanks. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Pol pot shot them and belittled bhudism Stalin starved them and burned the churches Hitler gassed them and blew up the synagogues Atheists aren't necessarily saints!" And not one of those actions was done in the name of atheism. The fact they were atheists was a byproduct of their communist beliefs. Hitler wasn't an atheist by the way. He wasn't vegetarian either. | |||
"I'm an atheist but I don't belittle others choices even of I'm confused by them and I can't stand richard Dawkins lol Some religious zealots don't belittle others choices, they behead them! Atheists tend not to. Pol pot shot them and belittled bhudism Stalin starved them and burned the churches Hitler gassed them and blew up the synagogues Atheists aren't necessarily saints!" . You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! | |||
" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged!" Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? | |||
" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? " . No there people a physiatrist would consider sane in every other way! If you genuinely believe in an after life, your much more capable of craziness, you don't have to worry about death, you see for me, that's the biggest worry, my favourite saying is, it could be worse I could be dead... That's the worse there is, but to a crazy person, I mean a religious person, there's loads of things worse than death! And all those things cab be solved through prayer... But unfortunately they usually use AK47s instead! | |||
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" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? . No there people a physiatrist would consider sane in every other way! If you genuinely believe in an after life, your much more capable of craziness, you don't have to worry about death, you see for me, that's the biggest worry, my favourite saying is, it could be worse I could be dead... That's the worse there is, but to a crazy person, I mean a religious person, there's loads of things worse than death! And all those things cab be solved through prayer... But unfortunately they usually use AK47s instead!" Right so when someone claiming to be a communist murders someone they are mentally ill and it's nothing to do with ideology. When someone claiming to be a religious murders someone, we take it at face value. Because it's self evident there's only one ideology that could ever be invoked when justifying murder, before we look at the person and say "nah that aint it, he just ain't right in the head" Doesn't sound very scientific... | |||
" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? . No there people a physiatrist would consider sane in every other way! If you genuinely believe in an after life, your much more capable of craziness, you don't have to worry about death, you see for me, that's the biggest worry, my favourite saying is, it could be worse I could be dead... That's the worse there is, but to a crazy person, I mean a religious person, there's loads of things worse than death! And all those things cab be solved through prayer... But unfortunately they usually use AK47s instead! Right so when someone claiming to be a communist murders someone they are mentally ill and it's nothing to do with ideology. When someone claiming to be a religious murders someone, we take it at face value. Because it's self evident there's only one ideology that could ever be invoked when justifying murder, before we look at the person and say "nah that aint it, he just ain't right in the head" Doesn't sound very scientific... " . There's a difference I've had three ideologies in my life! I believed in each one alot, I'm currently of the green ideology, I believe in it alot, it's got lots of science to it and lots of facts but I wouldn't kill myself for it! i may kill others for it and that makes me a bad man but I wouldn't kill myself for it because it doesnt make me a mad man, so maybe your right Stalin was a very bad man but not a mad man, whereas religious people are quite willing to blow themselves up to kill others and I don't think that happens on the same scale if ever with atheists | |||
" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? . No there people a physiatrist would consider sane in every other way! If you genuinely believe in an after life, your much more capable of craziness, you don't have to worry about death, you see for me, that's the biggest worry, my favourite saying is, it could be worse I could be dead... That's the worse there is, but to a crazy person, I mean a religious person, there's loads of things worse than death! And all those things cab be solved through prayer... But unfortunately they usually use AK47s instead! Right so when someone claiming to be a communist murders someone they are mentally ill and it's nothing to do with ideology. When someone claiming to be a religious murders someone, we take it at face value. Because it's self evident there's only one ideology that could ever be invoked when justifying murder, before we look at the person and say "nah that aint it, he just ain't right in the head" Doesn't sound very scientific... . There's a difference I've had three ideologies in my life! I believed in each one alot, I'm currently of the green ideology, I believe in it alot, it's got lots of science to it and lots of facts but I wouldn't kill myself for it! i may kill others for it and that makes me a bad man but I wouldn't kill myself for it because it doesnt make me a mad man, so maybe your right Stalin was a very bad man but not a mad man, whereas religious people are quite willing to blow themselves up to kill others and I don't think that happens on the same scale if ever with atheists" Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something) | |||
" Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something)" I'd like to read this but I can't find it - have you got a link, or a few keywords I can search for? Thanks. | |||
" Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something) I'd like to read this but I can't find it - have you got a link, or a few keywords I can search for? Thanks." Google: Paul Collier "Greed and Grievance" and there's a open access PDF link | |||
" Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something) I'd like to read this but I can't find it - have you got a link, or a few keywords I can search for? Thanks. Google: Paul Collier "Greed and Grievance" and there's a open access PDF link " Thank you. A little light bedtime reading | |||
" Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something) I'd like to read this but I can't find it - have you got a link, or a few keywords I can search for? Thanks. Google: Paul Collier "Greed and Grievance" and there's a open access PDF link Thank you. A little light bedtime reading "Send us a PM once you've read it and let us know what you think of it | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "You spelled it wrong dude... you are an onanist!  | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith "I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx" 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... | |||
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"I'd suggest it is a demonstrative fact that very good people can do very bad things he they are convinced they are doing the right thing xx" Is this just individuals though, or entire nations? The original motivation for WW2 has been clouded by John Wayne and his ilk. | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon"You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal. I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it "How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude. | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude."You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes | |||
Reasons why I avoid all hypritical
I'm better than you cults! | |||
"How the hell can you be religious and swing lmao, as bad as praising war via God
Reasons why I avoid all hypritical
I'm better than you cults! "Err... because sex is a divine gift that celebrates our existence in this beautiful universe and carries absolutely no shame or guilt with it. Next | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude.
You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes "Just out of interest, which god? | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude.
You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes
Just out of interest, which god?"God... of course | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude.
You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes
Just out of interest, which god?
God... of course "Yahweh, I presume? Do you ever feel that serving your god detracts you from serving humanity? | |||
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"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude.
You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes
Just out of interest, which god?
God... of course
Yahweh, I presume? Do you ever feel that serving your god detracts you from serving humanity?"God has no name... so no not Yahweh... you presume wrong. Serving humanity? Wow that's a complex one. I mean firstly... am I arrogant enough to imagine that humanity wants or needs my servitude? And is serving humanity any different from serving either myself or God? And does "serving humanity" actually ever serve humanity or does it just fuck things up more? It certainly seems like George Bush thought he was serving humanity when he invaded Iraq. If you're asking whether I feel an obligation to history... then yes I feel an obligation to be part of a voice of progress, innovation, and beauty... and part of that involves defending the beauty and validity of religion imo | |||
"For me, religion is a form of control by the people in charge... If you look back through the years, number of times the bible has been amended when science uncovers the truth is frightening (for example earth was supposedly centre of the universe but Galileo proved differently). Just my view..." So, if its just a form of control... A) why don't the religions control everything instead of governments? Heck they've been around long enough B) why didn't governments replace religions? It was presumably a struggle for control between the two so why didn't they seek to outlaw each other? C) why aren't the religions plotting a bloody coup now that the secular states have separated religion from the state? D) why doesn't the dictionary definition of "religion" mention this theory? | |||
"How the hell can you be religious and swing lmao, as bad as praising war via God
Reasons why I avoid all hypritical
I'm better than you cults! "Nice, the forums have been lacking a healthy dose of judgement recently | |||
"I'm religious but I don't subscribe to a specific doctrine of life and don't belong to any Faith
I think your theist not religious as religious means person who follows a religon
You need to go check your dictionary. Religion refers both to an organised religion and a phenomenon which can be entirely personal.
I would be a theist if I only believed in a god. I am religious because I worship, know, and serve God... that's an activity and a way of life which doesn't require membership to a club for someone to partake in it
How do you serve a god? If it's omnipotent, surely it doesn't want, or need your servitude.
You're quite right, it doesn't, and there's little I can offer... yet still, like a fool in love, I give myself freely to God to do with whatever God wishes
Just out of interest, which god?
God... of course
Yahweh, I presume? Do you ever feel that serving your god detracts you from serving humanity?
God has no name... so no not Yahweh... you presume wrong.
Serving humanity? Wow that's a complex one. I mean firstly... am I arrogant enough to imagine that humanity wants or needs my servitude? And is serving humanity any different from serving either myself or God? And does "serving humanity" actually ever serve humanity or does it just fuck things up more? It certainly seems like George Bush thought he was serving humanity when he invaded Iraq.
If you're asking whether I feel an obligation to history... then yes I feel an obligation to be part of a voice of progress, innovation, and beauty... and part of that involves defending the beauty and validity of religion imo "Because you used a capital "G" I assumed you meant the original Talmudic dude - I apologise for my presumption. On the matter of serving humanity - at least humanity has a voice, whereas serving a god is surely just your own interpretation of how best to serve that god. Many different people have many different interpretations of that point, and that's where conflict usually begins. Conflict usually escalates, and wealth is almost always attained because of the escalation. There's always a profit to be made by those of opposing opinions. | |||
"How the hell can you be religious and swing lmao, as bad as praising war via God
Reasons why I avoid all hypritical
I'm better than you cults!
Err... because sex is a divine gift that celebrates our existence in this beautiful universe and carries absolutely no shame or guilt with it. Next "Really....do you really believe that cults allow you to practice that and you have just stated loosely my view.......Next... | |||
"How the hell can you be religious and swing lmao, as bad as praising war via God
Reasons why I avoid all hypritical
I'm better than you cults!
Err... because sex is a divine gift that celebrates our existence in this beautiful universe and carries absolutely no shame or guilt with it. Next
Really....do you really believe that cults allow you to practice that and you have just stated loosely my view.......Next... "I think you missed the bit where I said I'm not a member of any cult Swinging is part of my religion... and you're welcome to join if you play nicely | |||
"For me, religion is a form of control by the people in charge... If you look back through the years, number of times the bible has been amended when science uncovers the truth is frightening (for example earth was supposedly centre of the universe but Galileo proved differently). Just my view... So, if its just a form of control... A) why don't the religions control everything instead of governments? Heck they've been around long enough B) why didn't governments replace religions? It was presumably a struggle for control between the two so why didn't they seek to outlaw each other? C) why aren't the religions plotting a bloody coup now that the secular states have separated religion from the state? D) why doesn't the dictionary definition of "religion" mention this theory?" The mind actually boggles. State and religion have been so intertwined in so many places since the middle ages at least, it is only (historically) recently in certain places the two are starting to disentangle itself. In Britain: in 1066 William of Normandy divided Britain up thus: He kept at third of the land for himself, gave a third to his barons and a third to the church. The descendants of those barons still own one fifth (or thereabouts) of the land in the UK and the church isn't far off.... | |||
"Because you used a capital "G" I assumed you meant the original Talmudic dude - I apologise for my presumption. On the matter of serving humanity - at least humanity has a voice, whereas serving a god is surely just your own interpretation of how best to serve that god. Many different people have many different interpretations of that point, and that's where conflict usually begins. Conflict usually escalates, and wealth is almost always attained because of the escalation. There's always a profit to be made by those of opposing opinions. " "God" is the name of a Being, "god" is the concept of a deity of some sort. At least that's how I roll
I'd argue that humanity doesn't have a voice... not a single one anyway.. and that's why it's difficult to know how to serve humanity.... whilst its easier to know how to serve history because that really just ends up being your own view of what you think the right thing to do is
Serving God has nothing to do with interpretation for me. It's more about handing myself over as an instrument to work through. If I intervened in that and tried to double guess what God wanted from me I'd probably fuck everything up. Instead, its about relinquishing control to a greater cause and just trusting in that working through you. That's why the notion of "serving humanity" is so weird as humanity doesn't really work through me... although perhaps it does via sex lol  | |||
"For me, religion is a form of control by the people in charge... If you look back through the years, number of times the bible has been amended when science uncovers the truth is frightening (for example earth was supposedly centre of the universe but Galileo proved differently). Just my view... So, if its just a form of control... A) why don't the religions control everything instead of governments? Heck they've been around long enough B) why didn't governments replace religions? It was presumably a struggle for control between the two so why didn't they seek to outlaw each other? C) why aren't the religions plotting a bloody coup now that the secular states have separated religion from the state? D) why doesn't the dictionary definition of "religion" mention this theory? The mind actually boggles. State and religion have been so intertwined in so many places since the middle ages at least, it is only (historically) recently in certain places the two are starting to disentangle itself. In Britain: in 1066 William of Normandy divided Britain up thus: He kept at third of the land for himself, gave a third to his barons and a third to the church. The descendants of those barons still own one fifth (or thereabouts) of the land in the UK and the church isn't far off...." Ok. So you're saying that its a form of control that's happy to share and give away its power and doesn't really actually want to control things like the bin collection, the street lights, or basically anything to do with our daily lives. Is that right? | |||
"For me, religion is a form of control by the people in charge... If you look back through the years, number of times the bible has been amended when science uncovers the truth is frightening (for example earth was supposedly centre of the universe but Galileo proved differently). Just my view... So, if its just a form of control... A) why don't the religions control everything instead of governments? Heck they've been around long enough B) why didn't governments replace religions? It was presumably a struggle for control between the two so why didn't they seek to outlaw each other? C) why aren't the religions plotting a bloody coup now that the secular states have separated religion from the state? D) why doesn't the dictionary definition of "religion" mention this theory? The mind actually boggles. State and religion have been so intertwined in so many places since the middle ages at least, it is only (historically) recently in certain places the two are starting to disentangle itself. In Britain: in 1066 William of Normandy divided Britain up thus: He kept at third of the land for himself, gave a third to his barons and a third to the church. The descendants of those barons still own one fifth (or thereabouts) of the land in the UK and the church isn't far off.... Ok. So you're saying that its a form of control that's happy to share and give away its power and doesn't really actually want to control things like the bin collection, the street lights, or basically anything to do with our daily lives. Is that right? "Ownership of the land is control. Control of natural resources, rents, agriculture.... | |||
"Because you used a capital "G" I assumed you meant the original Talmudic dude - I apologise for my presumption. On the matter of serving humanity - at least humanity has a voice, whereas serving a god is surely just your own interpretation of how best to serve that god. Many different people have many different interpretations of that point, and that's where conflict usually begins. Conflict usually escalates, and wealth is almost always attained because of the escalation. There's always a profit to be made by those of opposing opinions. "God" is the name of a Being, "god" is the concept of a deity of some sort. At least that's how I roll
I'd argue that humanity doesn't have a voice... not a single one anyway.. and that's why it's difficult to know how to serve humanity.... whilst its easier to know how to serve history because that really just ends up being your own view of what you think the right thing to do is
Serving God has nothing to do with interpretation for me. It's more about handing myself over as an instrument to work through. If I intervened in that and tried to double guess what God wanted from me I'd probably fuck everything up. Instead, its about relinquishing control to a greater cause and just trusting in that working through you. That's why the notion of "serving humanity" is so weird as humanity doesn't really work through me... although perhaps it does via sex lol "Fair points, although I'd counter that the voice of humanity is audible and pleads for food, water, shelter and peace. | |||
"You wouldn't believe the tirades of utter hatred I receive when I mention my religion. Saying you're Muslim these days is like saying you eat baby sandwiches. Hilariously, these people are convinced I'm a fanatical suicide bomber who's momentarily slipped off her burka and backpack to take nude photos for a sex site..... " You keep taking those pics
This was am argument I had with my ex when he said he hated all Muslims (ex army his reasoning for his anger his choice I'm not slating that) my argument back was its not the religion he hated it was the extremist. Can't put everyone in the same boat and sink them all.
I don't believe in any religion as such just myself. That I'll go through life trying to do the best I can for myself family and friends. | |||
"For me, religion is a form of control by the people in charge... If you look back through the years, number of times the bible has been amended when science uncovers the truth is frightening (for example earth was supposedly centre of the universe but Galileo proved differently). Just my view... So, if its just a form of control... A) why don't the religions control everything instead of governments? Heck they've been around long enough B) why didn't governments replace religions? It was presumably a struggle for control between the two so why didn't they seek to outlaw each other? C) why aren't the religions plotting a bloody coup now that the secular states have separated religion from the state? D) why doesn't the dictionary definition of "religion" mention this theory? The mind actually boggles. State and religion have been so intertwined in so many places since the middle ages at least, it is only (historically) recently in certain places the two are starting to disentangle itself. In Britain: in 1066 William of Normandy divided Britain up thus: He kept at third of the land for himself, gave a third to his barons and a third to the church. The descendants of those barons still own one fifth (or thereabouts) of the land in the UK and the church isn't far off.... Ok. So you're saying that its a form of control that's happy to share and give away its power and doesn't really actually want to control things like the bin collection, the street lights, or basically anything to do with our daily lives. Is that right?
Ownership of the land is control. Control of natural resources, rents, agriculture...."A and B) as mentioned above, royalty/governments have historically used religion to keep the masses in check. Scratched each others back through the years. C) atheism is taking over imo D) look into heliocentrism and geocentrism. | |||
"Because you used a capital "G" I assumed you meant the original Talmudic dude - I apologise for my presumption. On the matter of serving humanity - at least humanity has a voice, whereas serving a god is surely just your own interpretation of how best to serve that god. Many different people have many different interpretations of that point, and that's where conflict usually begins. Conflict usually escalates, and wealth is almost always attained because of the escalation. There's always a profit to be made by those of opposing opinions. "God" is the name of a Being, "god" is the concept of a deity of some sort. At least that's how I roll
I'd argue that humanity doesn't have a voice... not a single one anyway.. and that's why it's difficult to know how to serve humanity.... whilst its easier to know how to serve history because that really just ends up being your own view of what you think the right thing to do is
Serving God has nothing to do with interpretation for me. It's more about handing myself over as an instrument to work through. If I intervened in that and tried to double guess what God wanted from me I'd probably fuck everything up. Instead, its about relinquishing control to a greater cause and just trusting in that working through you. That's why the notion of "serving humanity" is so weird as humanity doesn't really work through me... although perhaps it does via sex lol
Fair points, although I'd counter that the voice of humanity is audible and pleads for food, water, shelter and peace. " totally agree with that. This is a moral issue as far as I'm concerned. I see morality as a human project, not something we inherit from god or any sacred texts. So I'd see such things as my obvious moral duty to my own conscience, if not any greater purpose than that. Things like child slavery don't need a god to tell us they're wrong. We already know they're wrong. Yet still... we shop at places like Primark | |||
" You won't find one flying a plane into buildings very much though... You know why? This life's all I've got. But religious people.. Oh they've got a much better life to get off to! Ps Hitler wasn't an atheist, Stalin and pot were, but then they were also mentally deranged! Yeah they were mentally deranged but people that fly planes into buildings are otherwise nice people just having a bad day? . No there people a physiatrist would consider sane in every other way! If you genuinely believe in an after life, your much more capable of craziness, you don't have to worry about death, you see for me, that's the biggest worry, my favourite saying is, it could be worse I could be dead... That's the worse there is, but to a crazy person, I mean a religious person, there's loads of things worse than death! And all those things cab be solved through prayer... But unfortunately they usually use AK47s instead! Right so when someone claiming to be a communist murders someone they are mentally ill and it's nothing to do with ideology. When someone claiming to be a religious murders someone, we take it at face value. Because it's self evident there's only one ideology that could ever be invoked when justifying murder, before we look at the person and say "nah that aint it, he just ain't right in the head" Doesn't sound very scientific... . There's a difference I've had three ideologies in my life! I believed in each one alot, I'm currently of the green ideology, I believe in it alot, it's got lots of science to it and lots of facts but I wouldn't kill myself for it! i may kill others for it and that makes me a bad man but I wouldn't kill myself for it because it doesnt make me a mad man, so maybe your right Stalin was a very bad man but not a mad man, whereas religious people are quite willing to blow themselves up to kill others and I don't think that happens on the same scale if ever with atheists Please read the study the Collier study I referenced, you're a smart person letting their personal prejudice get in the way of the evidence. Or if you must persist please present some actual scientific evidence to these claims (e.g. some psychology journal articles or something)" . No maybe I'm confusing you with my point of view, I don't think atheists or religious people are any less or more capable of horrible deeds, in fact religious people might be less inclined to horrible acts because they at least have a moral code to fall back on, let's forget about any intrinsic moral code for a minute. I mean what stops me from killing someone and taking their possessions in reality I've no belief in a God or an eternal damnation, so if I'm 50 in reality I'm trading off a possible 30 years more of life for what I could just take! But on the flip side that 30 years is all I've got, I've got no afterlife to look forward to, so it's a trade off between risk of being caught and imprisoned for my remaining 30 years and putting up with what I've already got! So if I've got a reasonable life, it's never really worth the trade! However if I lived in a mud hut in Afghanistan, had no real quality of life and lived mainly of eating rats, I could perhaps think this shit life is worth the risk! Now if your religious, you've got that extra thing that no atheist has, you've got an afterlife, the pope and the Mafia don both believe there going somewhere better, what they've done here is immaterial because they both have a personal twist on their religious beliefs, the pope thinks he's been good and done gods work and so does the Mafia don. The atheist however doesn't have that luxury, they will cling on to life like a one year old round your leg. And that is why I believe that your way more likely to have a religious person kill themselves and others for their beliefs, than an atheist! That's why all the big religions have suicide as a mortal sin, your promising them this grand fantastic afterlife, why not get there as soon as possible surely, why wait to drag it out over 80 years and go through the pain of old age when that eternal afterlife awaits you! Having any extreme belief in something that has no ounce of credibility or proof or even rationality is in itself a very damaging condition, that's not to say I confuse a sense of spirituality with organised religion, the fact that anybody would want to get together and confirm there crazy dogma together is even more worrying! I mean what's the point of praying for anything, you've already got your afterlife of luxury you greedy bastard's can't you just be happy with that! I will take a look at the report just out of curiosity, but to be honest religion isn't something I think about very often as it really offers me nothing! | |||
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"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation..." My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it." And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! | |||
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"Sexy-bum. What's your take on Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism etc. These Faiths talk about a cycle of rebirth which our goal is to get out of. It's an afterlife of sorts... but not one that believers in these Faiths are looking forward to. They'd rather disappear into nothingness. I hear what you're saying... and maybe it does have an influence. In a couple of near death experiences I've been able to resign myself to it rather than be afraid and that's only because of my religion. But I still think there's something more going on than just the promise of an afterlife. (also my resignation had nothing to do with an afterlife existing... I'm agnostic on that issue) I think the major flaw of the Judeo-Christian tradition over all the other Faiths is that it doesn't connect its believers with God. In fact quite a lot of its believers believe that God is absent from existence... so they're effectively atheists really. I simply can't bring myself to believe that any of these jihadists have ever had a "god experience". I know you don't believe in such a thing being real... but it is still quite a particular psychological experience which scientists have tried replicating. It involves feeling a presence in the room with you. If you then try and connect with that presence you become overwhelmed wit a sense that it knows and loves you. That's the psychological experience, whether delusional or not, that's what it feels like. I can't believe that these jihadists have had that experience. Otherwise they couldn't act the way they do. So to me, I'd say that it is ignorance of love, whether through God if you believe in such a thing or just through social upbringing and family etc if you don't." . That's a very interesting question and I wasn't aware there was religions with no afterlife to be honest! It's always striked me that there all offering you something for something. Now if somebody stated up an earth religion, where we hold the earth as a supreme creature, idolised it and cherished it, but for this we got nothing back in return, no afterlife (I suppose you could have an afterlife where your atoms are absorbed into the supreme creature but your unaware of it... We'll call it death), just a sense of well being for doing something intrinsically good!. Now if you want to get that going I'm in, I'll even consider sitting around fires offering sacrifices of wine and yarns of earth presence!.... Hang on I'm already ahead of the game, I joined the green party 16 years ago | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it!" That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. | |||
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"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either." Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. | |||
"Nobody ever killed for Karl Marx's ideology, Lenin was never really a marxist and Stalin certainly wasn't. Hence why people refer to their ideology as Leninism,Trotskyism,maoisim, stalinism... Because no where did Marx advocate murdering people" I'm sure those are really important distinctions to the millions of people that were murdered in the Soviet union | |||
"Nobody ever killed for Karl Marx's ideology, Lenin was never really a marxist and Stalin certainly wasn't. Hence why people refer to their ideology as Leninism,Trotskyism,maoisim, stalinism... Because no where did Marx advocate murdering people I'm sure those are really important distinctions to the millions of people that were murdered in the Soviet union" . Not really but to Karl Marx's relatives it probably is! | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. " Well I thought that was rather obvious. | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious." Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious. Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? " . Exactly, no system is at fault perse but the people who run/work in the system are. This is the exact reason why the first line of any constitution should read... This constitution is to protects us from ourselves and to do this best x y and z apply. Coincidentally Marx was the first economist to really put human frailties into the maths! Money doesn't pick on the weak but people who want money will! He was a critic of the capitalist system that allowed humans to exploit each other through money, however he was a capitalist! | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious. Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? " Undoubtedly they are. That's the same argument as guns don't kill, people do. | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious. Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? Undoubtedly they are. That's the same argument as guns don't kill, people do. " Guns don't kill people, rappers do | |||
"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious. Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? Undoubtedly they are. That's the same argument as guns don't kill, people do. Guns don't kill people, rappers do " . There not very good at it though, they've got that stupid gun holding thing going on.... Style over content. Like the music! | |||
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"Seems I missed the part where it was now established that no religious texts has ever written guidence for its followers that request they either stone so called wrong doers or kill entire tribes that the writer did not like at the time ? Rather than the collier report there are decades of fascinating research upon the very real psychological activity called indoctrination xx Show me any text a person must adhere to to rightly be an atheist ? Religious people by very definition are at least trying to subscribe to a specific doctrine of life , the fact rational interpretation of many of these texts is nigh on impossible due to vast contradictions and ambiguity is a fair stab at the real reason religions can be so dangerous and have an almost infinite number of differing they points all convinced beyond doubt they are absolutely right with their interpretation xx 1) doctrine are not exclusive to religions 2) when people get indoctrinated we tend to refer to the organisations they join as cults. There's a vast amount of evidence that feeble-minded / border line mentally ill people join cults, not your average John and Jill off the street 3) again, the evidence shows that cult leaders tend to be highly insincere with their beliefs, often living double lives. So join the dots and see that people who crave power will invent whatever excuse they have to to get it. They can call it a religion or a political party but sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Funny how the end result is always that they get rich out of it, but we're discounting that as their motivation... My whole point was it can and does get used by the people in your point number 3. You just dismissed my point that the uneducated are being used by these people. Sometimes those cult leaders do actually believe the nonsense they spout as well, though granted it is usually about the money. You only have to look at Ron Hubbard or Jimmy Swaggart to see that! Marx saw the power of religion, most politicians see it too. They just choose to gently work alongside it rather than ban it. They know peoples weakness for it and exploit it. And Marx is a brilliant example of someone who created an ideology that people were happy and willing to kill for! But it wasn't a fudging religion was it! That still doesn't negate the fact that religion can and is used as a method to kill. I never said ideologies were not to blame either. Great then using your logic (not mine) politics can and is used as a method to kill. Well I thought that was rather obvious. Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? Undoubtedly they are. That's the same argument as guns don't kill, people do. Guns don't kill people, rappers do . There not very good at it though, they've got that stupid gun holding thing going on.... Style over content. Like the music!" Probably because they try to "bust a cap in his ass" - the ass can take a lot of punishment without killing you - just ask sasha rose | |||
"I am a devout atheist but like many things in life everyone has there own view. For me as an outsider i feel that religion is used by to many people normally to justify things we would all normally find disturbing and deranged, you just have to look back at any war or attempt at genocide. While faith on the other hand is something people use to help them and others which is a totally different concept." This for us too. We have friends and acquaintances from many different backgrounds and belief systems. I consider myself fortunate to work for a truly multicultural team and live in a multicultural society. There is nothing wrong with faith / religion per se and it can be very positive. However, extremism and the fact that many religions and cultures still treat women as second class citizens, (Christianity included)is an issue. I find if difficult to grasp why anyone would attempt to live 21st century life based on misogynistic medieval practices. Nita | |||
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"What's your view on religion? For? Against? What religion are you? I myself am an Odinist "cock is mine, seen as i worship it | |||
"Funny thing about gods they all seem to be dead. Even John Lennon and George Best are dead, and this might come as a surprise to many but even Elvis is dead So whoever your dead god was he is dead and has been for thousands of years SO GET OVER IT As for Sun worship, you have a valid point but at the end of the day....... it goes dark" Cameron and Osborne worship The Sun. And bow down to the high priest Murdoch. | |||
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"Ever considered it might not be the religion / politics / magic book of whatever that are the problem. That it might just be the people behind it that are the problem? " The only problem with this excuse is that the Faiths profess to be leading exemplars of morality... our lighthouse in the mist per se. If we recognise them for what they are... total moral fuck ups... then it kinda takes the steam out of their reason for existing somewhat... don't you think? | |||
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"That's why so many of them have gold teeth. If you hold a pistol sideways it's going to recoil and smack you in the face. " | |||
"For a discussion of my views, see: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785 Lol "You killed an interesting thread with your ridiculous inconsequential defensive ramblings which were utterly tangential and irrelevent to it. Shame cos I had a good summary to put at the end of it... but it'll just have to stay in my head lol
Still.. it was really helpful for me so thanks to everyone who played a part | |||
"Nobody ever killed for Karl Marx's ideology, Lenin was never really a marxist and Stalin certainly wasn't. Hence why people refer to their ideology as Leninism,Trotskyism,maoisim, stalinism... " Its mostly because the bulk of what Marx wrote was a critique of capitalism, nothing more. There was no blueprint for revolution, nothing to suggest that vanguardism was a good idea. Marx suggested that there would come a tipping point where Capitalism collapsed, and how that was likely to occur. This is why you get different "flavours" of Marxism depending on the particular vanguard that were looking to implement socialism in spite of the prerequisites that Marx suggested were necessary not being there. Just because killers are wearing a particular 'hat', doesn't mean that you should blame the creator of their ideology. Millions have been murdered in the name of western democracy - does it make it a bad thing? | |||
"For a discussion of my views, see: https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785 Lol
You killed an interesting thread with your ridiculous inconsequential defensive ramblings which were utterly tangential and irrelevent to it. Shame cos I had a good summary to put at the end of it... but it'll just have to stay in my head lol
Still.. it was really helpful for me so thanks to everyone who played a part ". Yeah but are you joining my new earth religion ... I'll throw in Hawaiian shirts and sandals as standard dress wear! | |||
