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"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that."  | |||
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" You'll get a 101 answers to this, but there's been few interesting documentaries on this recently exposing the con that is the sports nutrition industry! Diet alone will lose fat...but not get you toned. Trying to lose fat and build muscle at the same time can be counter productive. Remember you haven't been to the gym unless you're seen with a protein shake and posted about how hard it was on FB! "haha yeah. My timeline is usually full of 'smashed it at the gym today' bollocks.  | |||
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"Only weigh yourself after big poos " I'll have to remember that one  | |||
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And don't buy into scams with bogus supplements, such as pills etc. as they're pretty useless, at the end of the day nothing substitutes for hard work and a well regulated, clean diet | |||
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"Only weigh yourself after big poos " ha ha ha?? made me chuckle. X | |||
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"To lose weight and fat it is 80% diet 20% exercise" Maybe but there are lots of health benefits to exercise that you won't get from diet alone. | |||
"Skimmed milk, sardines and egg whites." And chips right? And McDonald's breakfasts?  | |||
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"Not sure how old you are OP, but if you've got to this point on life without playing sports etc then I guess it must feel a bit daunting. I would recommend running, plus bog standard exercises like push ups and sit ups. Start off with say, 2/3 miles and 50 of each. Forget the gym, there's only 2 types in the gym. The truly dedicated, and everyone else. Expensive, boring, probably miles away and if it's not your thing - end up wasting money on a membership. As for all the nutrition stuff- take a few standard vitamins and eat well. There are no quick fixes, you will have to sweat " Alternatively you could just pick some tricky positions and instruct your gorgeous partner to make absolutely no effort when you have sex - that would probably be a more enjoyable and motivating way to burn calories | |||
"Not sure how old you are OP, but if you've got to this point on life without playing sports etc then I guess it must feel a bit daunting. I would recommend running, plus bog standard exercises like push ups and sit ups. Start off with say, 2/3 miles and 50 of each. Forget the gym, there's only 2 types in the gym. The truly dedicated, and everyone else. Expensive, boring, probably miles away and if it's not your thing - end up wasting money on a membership. As for all the nutrition stuff- take a few standard vitamins and eat well. There are no quick fixes, you will have to sweat Alternatively you could just pick some tricky positions and instruct your gorgeous partner to make absolutely no effort when you have sex - that would probably be a more enjoyable and motivating way to burn calories" she is worried she is getting fat too so is joining me for the running portion of my workouts | |||
"Not sure how old you are OP, but if you've got to this point on life without playing sports etc then I guess it must feel a bit daunting. I would recommend running, plus bog standard exercises like push ups and sit ups. Start off with say, 2/3 miles and 50 of each. Forget the gym, there's only 2 types in the gym. The truly dedicated, and everyone else. Expensive, boring, probably miles away and if it's not your thing - end up wasting money on a membership. As for all the nutrition stuff- take a few standard vitamins and eat well. There are no quick fixes, you will have to sweat " Yeah running and calisthenics is what i am trying to do, trying to remove as many potential excuses as possible, like "i can't get to the gym because Mrs has the car" or "that bloke wouldn't get off that machine i needed" or "the gym is too expensive, we should cut back" etc. | |||
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"So i am trying to get fit, i would like to loose the fat and also put on some muscle. There are plenty of guys on Fab who have obviously put a lot more effort into looking good than I have so I thought it would be a good place to ask. To put loose weight and put on muscle is it worth paying for all of those pills, potions and powders (legal stuff) or are they just making a quick buck and dont make a difference?" Mr lost 2.5 stone last year in 3 months cutting out fried food and only eating salads and fruit during the day......fads do not work | |||
"That's good op and no, protein powders has no real nutritional value, mostly dust, them companys are there just to make a quick buck and run. I have never used a protein powder. You should focus on food and if you wanna build muscles you need to be in surplus calories, 3200cal is a good bench mark to follow, then after a month see and adjust the calorie intake depending if your gaining more fat than muscle. For protein aim for one gram per pound of body weight, so a typical 180lbs lifter should eat 180g of protein from diferent kinds of protein sources. For carbs. Alwais eat more carbs than protein, so would set it to 2g per bodyweight, usually that would be around 400g grams. Fat should be about 40g day. So then you need to split them 3 total macros up into six small meals and aim to get this in each meal: 533Cal 60gCarbs 30gProtein Tip: A 150g chicken portion usually have 30g protein and a tuna tin have 30g protein. This is just a little guide, have fun and train heavy to get big. " Taking 180g protein is a huge amount... Not all bodies are able to cope with that, it's 3 times the typical daily amount for an average male. | |||
"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that." | |||
"That's good op and no, protein powders has no real nutritional value, mostly dust, them companys are there just to make a quick buck and run. I have never used a protein powder. You should focus on food and if you wanna build muscles you need to be in surplus calories, 3200cal is a good bench mark to follow, then after a month see and adjust the calorie intake depending if your gaining more fat than muscle. For protein aim for one gram per pound of body weight, so a typical 180lbs lifter should eat 180g of protein from diferent kinds of protein sources. For carbs. Alwais eat more carbs than protein, so would set it to 2g per bodyweight, usually that would be around 400g grams. Fat should be about 40g day. So then you need to split them 3 total macros up into six small meals and aim to get this in each meal: 533Cal 60gCarbs 30gProtein Tip: A 150g chicken portion usually have 30g protein and a tuna tin have 30g protein. This is just a little guide, have fun and train heavy to get big. Taking 180g protein is a huge amount... Not all bodies are able to cope with that, it's 3 times the typical daily amount for an average male. " That's right, but as for me I done it since I was 18 and I find it very easy to digest and eat, some days and weeks I keep it as high as 280g. | |||
"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that. "Ah Bollocks  maybe I'll just get them 6 pack implants instead then | |||
"That's good op and no, protein powders has no real nutritional value, mostly dust, them companys are there just to make a quick buck and run. I have never used a protein powder. You should focus on food and if you wanna build muscles you need to be in surplus calories, 3200cal is a good bench mark to follow, then after a month see and adjust the calorie intake depending if your gaining more fat than muscle. For protein aim for one gram per pound of body weight, so a typical 180lbs lifter should eat 180g of protein from diferent kinds of protein sources. For carbs. Alwais eat more carbs than protein, so would set it to 2g per bodyweight, usually that would be around 400g grams. Fat should be about 40g day. So then you need to split them 3 total macros up into six small meals and aim to get this in each meal: 533Cal 60gCarbs 30gProtein Tip: A 150g chicken portion usually have 30g protein and a tuna tin have 30g protein. This is just a little guide, have fun and train heavy to get big. Taking 180g protein is a huge amount... Not all bodies are able to cope with that, it's 3 times the typical daily amount for an average male. That's right, but as for me I done it since I was 18 and I find it very easy to digest and eat, some days and weeks I keep it as high as 280g." Take care, kidney problems are difficult to treat. | |||
"That's good op and no, protein powders has no real nutritional value, mostly dust, them companys are there just to make a quick buck and run. I have never used a protein powder. You should focus on food and if you wanna build muscles you need to be in surplus calories, 3200cal is a good bench mark to follow, then after a month see and adjust the calorie intake depending if your gaining more fat than muscle. For protein aim for one gram per pound of body weight, so a typical 180lbs lifter should eat 180g of protein from diferent kinds of protein sources. For carbs. Alwais eat more carbs than protein, so would set it to 2g per bodyweight, usually that would be around 400g grams. Fat should be about 40g day. So then you need to split them 3 total macros up into six small meals and aim to get this in each meal: 533Cal 60gCarbs 30gProtein Tip: A 150g chicken portion usually have 30g protein and a tuna tin have 30g protein. This is just a little guide, have fun and train heavy to get big. Taking 180g protein is a huge amount... Not all bodies are able to cope with that, it's 3 times the typical daily amount for an average male. That's right, but as for me I done it since I was 18 and I find it very easy to digest and eat, some days and weeks I keep it as high as 280g. Take care, kidney problems are difficult to treat. " That's right, so far everything is fine. | |||
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"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. " That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. | |||
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"Shakes for breakfast as quick and easy - stops me from grabbing toast or muffin at work or skipping then running on empty and over eating later Unflavoured whey isolate blitzed with coconut milk & - frozen berries - frozen pineapple and water cress - little banana and peanut butter - vanilla and/or cocoa power - coffee "get fit in the gym, lose fat in the kitchen" - a balancing act to find your happy place" | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. " You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! | |||
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"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! " Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. | |||
"Physique being about 80% diet, 20% exercise is almost bang on according to a recent video I watched on Layne Norton's website. Things to remember are - unless you are untrained, it is virtually impossible to gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously (there is a period those new to lifting where the body adapts to load bearing very quickly, known as 'newbie gains'). However, there comes a point that I know I actually look bigger in spite of losing weight/fat, and I think its more about looking cut/definition than anything else. Your body can utilise about 2g protein per kilo lean body mass (i.e. all of your body that is not fat/viscera - you can find online calculators for this) more than this and it is, at best an expensive carb, at worst can cause liver/kidney damage (although I suspect that you need to massively over consume to do damage). Whey shakes etc are just a form of cheap protein. I find them useful because, although I'd like to eat loads of meat/greek yoghurt etc, its bloody expensive. Other than that supplement wise, creatine is possibly one of the only ones shown to have any effect (there is an online compendium of supplements and the available peer-reviewed data on them, which you can find by googling), as it does seem to aid recovery, meaning you can train more frequently/harder. To gain any muscle at all, you must be doing some kind of resistance training with progressive overload (that is, you increase weight/reps each time you train). There are, as people have said, many good bodyweight programmes out there - my favourite is "convict Conditioning", which you can find in its entirety by googling. Where bodyweight programmes fall down is actually in their difficulty. It is pretty hard to progress through the movements, although some like the challenge (for example, I can now do lots of pull-ups - even 'cheating' my progression by hanging weights off myself...and yet I still cannot 'muscle-up'). It is easy to pick up the next heaviest set of dumbbells/slap an extra plate on a bar. The most important thing is topic something you enjoy - if you enjoy it, you will stick at it. I personally like weight training in the gym, although plenty find it dull. I like competing against myself, trying to better what I achieved last time. I know it is a fairly antisocial undertaking, but then, I used to swim in my mouth which is even more antisocial (you can't even talk to anyone). Thanks for reading my essay....Hope it helps.  "I like the fact that swimming in your mouth meant you couldn't speak to anyone. How did you get the Topic in?
I think people really need to be careful about liver and kidney overload on protein, whatever it's source.
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"I was 13 1/2 stone 18 months ago, now 11, been eating clean for 18 months and its worked for me. Good luck plenty of good advice on here "And plenty of crap advice too | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. " Really can't see where I said take huge amounts of protein! I said eat clean and little and often with regular exersize | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. " Some can cope with high protein levels more than others tho and don't have negative results on the kidney. | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. Some can cope with high protein levels more than others tho and don't have negative results on the kidney." It's still not wise to say "eat as much as you can, your kidneys will cope" when it's not the case at all. It's not a blanket rule and it's dangerous. | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! " The problem with 'eating clean' is that it means different things to different people (paleo, keto etc etc all claim to be 'clean' diets). Your body really doesn't care once you have macerated your food and poured acid/enzymes all over it. I find that people have problems when they start to get ideas like 'clean eating' in their head because it can be a very strict way of dieting, and when they inevitably fall off the bandwagon by eating a jaffa cake or something they tent to think "Fuck it - I can't do this" and go back to eating all the pies. You need to find something you can stick to, and having the occasional biscuit or whatever isn't the end of the world, really, most people find the boring old "healthy, balanced diet' the easiest to stick to, because it isn't rigid. | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. Really can't see where I said take huge amounts of protein! I said eat clean and little and often with regular exersize " You said the body will metabolise and pee out excess protein. This isn't always the case. | |||
"So i am trying to get fit, i would like to loose the fat and also put on some muscle. There are plenty of guys on Fab who have obviously put a lot more effort into looking good than I have so I thought it would be a good place to ask. To put loose weight and put on muscle is it worth paying for all of those pills, potions and powders (legal stuff) or are they just making a quick buck and dont make a difference?" Went to a health seminar the other day given by a Dr Chidi, google him, a Harley Street surgeon and lifestyle doctor. Someone asked about protein shakes. He said they were a complete and utter waste of time, as were the other pills and potions marketed. He said the only supplement he prescribed was vitamin d. That said he suggested a plant based, dairy and gluten free diet combined with exercise for a healthy, toned body: the jury's out on that one! | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. Some can cope with high protein levels more than others tho and don't have negative results on the kidney. It's still not wise to say "eat as much as you can, your kidneys will cope" when it's not the case at all. It's not a blanket rule and it's dangerous. " That's right but I googled some and it sais that a "a healthy kidney" can cope with high amounts of protein, so it seems if you might have kidney problems before hand starting its not a good idea. | |||
"Only weigh yourself after big poos " I do!  | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. Some can cope with high protein levels more than others tho and don't have negative results on the kidney. It's still not wise to say "eat as much as you can, your kidneys will cope" when it's not the case at all. It's not a blanket rule and it's dangerous. That's right but I googled some and it sais that a "a healthy kidney" can cope with high amounts of protein, so it seems if you might have kidney problems before hand starting its not a good idea." You can develop kidney problems as a result of taking high amounts of protein, or it can agitate a pre existing (unknown) condition. It's best to just stick to recommended amounts so as to not overload your body. | |||
" I like the fact that swimming in your mouth meant you couldn't speak to anyone. How did you get the Topic in?
I think people really need to be careful about liver and kidney overload on protein, whatever it's source.
"Damn you for being quicker than my edit!
I wouldn't call the amount of protein I'm talking about excessive - it works out at about 160ish grams of protein per day for me - which although it is more than the average person consumes, is not unhealthy - (we have a very carbohydrate based diet, typically, hence the skew on 'average'). I imagine the reason that there have been increased incidences of liver/kidney problems is that people are overdoing their intake significantly, and as lifting has exploded in popularity, so you will see more incidences of people not bothering to look into their diet properly.
Excess refined carbs seem to link to diabetes, but nobody seems to feel the need to mention it on a thread about cake, do they? | |||
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" Went to a health seminar the other day given by a Dr Chidi, google him, a Harley Street surgeon and lifestyle doctor. Someone asked about protein shakes. He said they were a complete and utter waste of time, as were the other pills and potions marketed. He said the only supplement he prescribed was vitamin d. " How are they a 'waste of time'? All they ever claimed to be was a cheap source of protein, you could quite easily ignore them and eat steak instead. Is milk a waste of time? Yoghurt? ....annnd then he goes on to market a completely different fad diet.... | |||
"Loosing weight is the most important, i much have muscles hidden somewhere under all that fat, I dont want to be huge, I want to be toned. " And healthy,you want to be healthy. Have you had your bloods done to check cholesterol,iron etc | |||
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" I like the fact that swimming in your mouth meant you couldn't speak to anyone. How did you get the Topic in?
I think people really need to be careful about liver and kidney overload on protein, whatever it's source.
Damn you for being quicker than my edit!
I wouldn't call the amount of protein I'm talking about excessive - it works out at about 160ish grams of protein per day for me - which although it is more than the average person consumes, is not unhealthy - (we have a very carbohydrate based diet, typically, hence the skew on 'average'). I imagine the reason that there have been increased incidences of liver/kidney problems is that people are overdoing their intake significantly, and as lifting has exploded in popularity, so you will see more incidences of people not bothering to look into their diet properly.
Excess refined carbs seem to link to diabetes, but nobody seems to feel the need to mention it on a thread about cake, do they?"That's because they aren't asking for advice | |||
"Loosing weight is the most important, i much have muscles hidden somewhere under all that fat, I dont want to be huge, I want to be toned. And healthy,you want to be healthy. Have you had your bloods done to check cholesterol,iron etc " My health is already fucked! | |||
"Loosing weight is the most important, i much have muscles hidden somewhere under all that fat, I dont want to be huge, I want to be toned. And healthy,you want to be healthy. Have you had your bloods done to check cholesterol,iron etc My health is already fucked!" i haven't been healthy since I was about 11 | |||
"Loosing weight is the most important, i much have muscles hidden somewhere under all that fat, I dont want to be huge, I want to be toned. " You do have muscles under there. We all do. I hate the word "toned". What "toned" actually is, is making muscle more visible by losing body fat, I suppose it is a step before "ripped" (an even lower body fat percentage). Any caloric deficit will make you lose fat. The problem is that muscle is metabolically expensive tissue to maintain. So; when you go into a deficit, either by eating less, moving more or both, your body will start to use its fat stores (which is what you want it to do), it will also aim to get rid of unnecessary muscle, which is costing it energy to maintain (because your body does not know you want to look buff, it only assumes that it is entering lean times and is trying to conserve energy so you can last for as long as possible). What resistance training does in a deficit is basically tell the body not to get rid of that muscle because it is necessary (i.e., the body needs it to maintain its normal activities), so whilst you won't be building any muscle, you will be maintaining what you have and telling your body to burn fat, which will ultimately lead to you looking how I think you want to look (i.e. 'fitness model' as oppose to 'waif') when you have lost weight. This also appears to be the reason a lot give up on dieting etc - because they lose weight and end up 'skinny fat' and are as unhappy with their body at the end as when they started. | |||
"Eat clean and exersize, protein shakes etc are man made, better off eating little and often. Your body can only take so much protein and your body will just pee it out. That's not true. In some cases, the kidneys cannot process protein and it'll lead to things like IgA nephropathy - which can cause kidney failure due to the damage. You said it yourself " in some cases " My personal opinion is to eat clean and exersize. Little and often, can't see what I've said wrong, works for me at 41!! Yeh you neglected to mention it at all. Saying everyone will be able to cope with huge amounts of protein is dangerous. It seems like you've existed out of purely dumb luck as opposed to educated diets. Some can cope with high protein levels more than others tho and don't have negative results on the kidney. It's still not wise to say "eat as much as you can, your kidneys will cope" when it's not the case at all. It's not a blanket rule and it's dangerous. That's right but I googled some and it sais that a "a healthy kidney" can cope with high amounts of protein, so it seems if you might have kidney problems before hand starting its not a good idea. You can develop kidney problems as a result of taking high amounts of protein, or it can agitate a pre existing (unknown) condition. It's best to just stick to recommended amounts so as to not overload your body." Yes lots can happen or not, but yeah best for most to stick to recommended intakes. | |||
"Are you trying to look like Arnie? It gets harder to stay in shape as you get older,you'll spend more time at the gym and worrying about what you're eating than enjoying life. " Eh? If you ant to look like Arnie (and I suspect you don't) then what you need are steroids and daily gym sessions (and possibly his genetics). He didn't look like that by accident. Who cares that it gets harder to stay in shape as you get older - thats part of the challenge. I'm fitter at 35 than I was at 25. I like spending time in the gym and it doesn't bother me that I'm careful about my diet. It really doesn't impact upon my enjoyment of life. I enjoy life being fit in my 30s than I ever did being a bit of a lardarse in my 20s. | |||
" Excess refined carbs seem to link to diabetes, but nobody seems to feel the need to mention it on a thread about cake, do they?" I think because no one is claiming the health benefits (other than being happy) of cake. | |||
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" Went to a health seminar the other day given by a Dr Chidi, google him, a Harley Street surgeon and lifestyle doctor. Someone asked about protein shakes. He said they were a complete and utter waste of time, as were the other pills and potions marketed. He said the only supplement he prescribed was vitamin d. How are they a 'waste of time'? All they ever claimed to be was a cheap source of protein, you could quite easily ignore them and eat steak instead. Is milk a waste of time? Yoghurt? ....annnd then he goes on to market a completely different fad diet.... "You did notice I said the jury was out. I couldn't/wouldn't want to live on his diet. My daughter and her boyfriend do. That said their combined weight is still half of mine | |||
"protein shakes are fine in moderation i`d stick with unflavored though avoid all the sweeteners and garbage like that" I,ve got a new Idea Bread and water from now on save a fortune on food bills.. | |||
"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that." | |||
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"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that. "Tren hard, eat clen, believe...... | |||
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"protein shakes are fine in moderation i`d stick with unflavored though avoid all the sweeteners and garbage like that" I'd stick with unflavoured too, but mostly because all the flavours taste like actual arse. I make them with milk, not water and use all kinds of nice tasting stuff to flavour them. | |||
"Only needed if you can't get enough protein from your daily diet - that's only likely to happen when you're in super shape and say.... body building. Lots of protein powders low grade and are loaded with calories which is counter productive to your needs "Or, as I have said, protein is expensive and powders provide a cheap source thereof. | |||
"Only needed if you can't get enough protein from your daily diet - that's only likely to happen when you're in super shape and say.... body building. Lots of protein powders low grade and are loaded with calories which is counter productive to your needs
Or, as I have said, protein is expensive and powders provide a cheap source thereof. "I disagree - I get 5kg of chicken breasts from my butcher for £20. Compare that to a tub of protein from £40+ with the added carbs, sugar and artifical additives and with less protein per serving and less servings than real food. Real food over shakes every time | |||
"Train hard and eat well. No pill, potion or powder can substitute that.
Tren hard, eat clen, believe...... "Just test that's all you need | |||
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"My Dr said eat anything you like in moderation. Eating to much protein is not moderation. It's not a balanced diet. Don't do it. Especially if the protein is low quality from animals grown in a confined environment on unnatural diet of genetically engineered grains. I'd guess if you're managing to get cheap chicken breast meat it's not good quality." That's a whole different thread there | |||
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"Only needed if you can't get enough protein from your daily diet - that's only likely to happen when you're in super shape and say.... body building. Lots of protein powders low grade and are loaded with calories which is counter productive to your needs
Or, as I have said, protein is expensive and powders provide a cheap source thereof.
I disagree - I get 5kg of chicken breasts from my butcher for £20. Compare that to a tub of protein from £40+ with the added carbs, sugar and artifical additives and with less protein per serving and less servings than real food. Real food over shakes every time"I get 5kg of unflavoured whey isolate for about £40. It has two ingredients, whey and an emulsifier (lecthin), which I'd rather it didn't have, but its in lots of stuff and made from soy. I have one scoop a day (25g), which gives me about the same amount of protein that I'd get from half a chicken breast. Thats the equvalent protein to about 625 chicken breasts if I have done my maths right. I make it with milk and add some bits to make it tasty (fruit or some chocolate powder or whatever). I really don't see whey as unnatural, after all, cottage cheese is basically curds and whey. We used to feed the raw stuff (whey) to pigs back in the day. | |||
"Many of us eat much more protein than we need. If someone wants to lose fat and increase their muscle levels, I can't see huge protein intake being a core part of their approach or real need." If you want to build muscle (I've written an essay above about how you can't really gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously), you need to do two things: 1) Cause micro tears in the muscle with some kind of resistance training. 2) Give your body enough fuel to repair and grow more muscle. Protein is an essential part of this. I didn't just make up the 2g protein per kilo lean body mass figure, its currently what the research suggests is optimum for muscle growth. For me it is somewhere about 150g protein per day, which is easy to do. Yes, overdoing it can lead to kidney stones, and you will occasionally find that lifters become protein obsessed and eat lads more than this, and thats where the risk of kidney stones comes in. Eating too much of anything carries health risks. Like I said earlier: Too much refined carbs carries an increased risk of diabetes, too much fats increase your risk of heart disease... | |||
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"protein shakes are fine in moderation i`d stick with unflavored though avoid all the sweeteners and garbage like that I'd stick with unflavoured too, but mostly because all the flavours taste like actual arse. I make them with milk, not water and use all kinds of nice tasting stuff to flavour them." Not so. Cookies and cream from My Protein is amazing when made with milk. I'm told some of their other flavours are great too. | |||
"So i am trying to get fit, i would like to loose the fat and also put on some muscle. There are plenty of guys on Fab who have obviously put a lot more effort into looking good than I have so I thought it would be a good place to ask. To put loose weight and put on muscle is it worth paying for all of those pills, potions and powders (legal stuff) or are they just making a quick buck and dont make a difference?" All you need is a bicycle and a road. The rest will take care of itself. | |||
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