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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sad news breaking of a bad crash of a airplane who was flying at the Shoreham Airshow today. Sounds like it went down and crashed into cars on A27, and 7 dead so far. "
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Life is a brittle concept. You are here one minute and gone the next so make the most of it.
My thoughts and sympathies go out to the families and friends of those who sadly lost their lives and those who were injured in this tragedy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Life is a brittle concept. You are here one minute and gone the next so make the most of it.
My thoughts and sympathies go out to the families and friends of those who sadly lost their lives and those who were injured in this tragedy."
Sad loss |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's health and safety gone mad and there's crashing a plane next to spectators week in week out.
thoughts are with the tax payers. "
Did you think before posting that? |
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
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"There's health and safety gone mad and there's crashing a plane next to spectators week in week out.
thoughts are with the tax payers.
Did you think before posting that?"
yes I thought some fucker might read it and not kill a child next week. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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It may just be me but air shows seem to be having a bad run this year.
As always, my thoughts are with the friends, family and colleagues as well as the emergency services who have to deal with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was at the exact spot it crashed no less than 15 minutes before it occurred. That particular road is always busy and cars were stopped at the same set of traffic lights I was. If I had stopped for coffee on the way home like I was going to then it doesn't bare thinking about what might have been.
There was a crash at the same airshow last year too. It should really be stopped now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We were there today. So very sad
Did the show end or did it carry on? I thought I saw the vulcan go over the pier later on?...."
No it stopped and tomorrow's is cancelled.
The Vulcan flew once over very quietly as a mark of respect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We were there today. So very sad
Did the show end or did it carry on? I thought I saw the vulcan go over the pier later on?....
No it stopped and tomorrow's is cancelled.
The Vulcan flew once over very quietly as a mark of respect. "
I thought it must've been stopped but when I saw it flying over I wasn't sure. A fitting sign of respect though.
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"I was at the exact spot it crashed no less than 15 minutes before it occurred. That particular road is always busy and cars were stopped at the same set of traffic lights I was. If I had stopped for coffee on the way home like I was going to then it doesn't bare thinking about what might have been.
There was a crash at the same airshow last year too. It should really be stopped now."
We were there at the same time then, as I was there at that time too, heading for my holiday caravan. Saw lots of ambulances and police cars, but just thought there'd been a road accident.
So tragic |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the g force might of been to great and blacked out.
R.I.P
A bit too early for that kind of speculation."
From the footage that I saw that was my first guess. Im no expert but it makes sense. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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"I think the g force might of been to great and blacked out.
R.I.P
A bit too early for that kind of speculation."
It was mentioned on the BBC and on their website that more bodies may be found and the pilot is still fighting for his life.
Sad day indeed, but as long as they keep flying old planes then unfortunately these incidents will happen. |
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"We were there today. So very sad
Did the show end or did it carry on? I thought I saw the vulcan go over the pier later on?....
No it stopped and tomorrow's is cancelled.
The Vulcan flew once over very quietly as a mark of respect. "
Seen the vulcan come over cirencester on its way down. Does anyone know where the hunter was from as there is a guy who flies one out of kemble near us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the g force might of been to great and blacked out.
R.I.P
A bit too early for that kind of speculation."
I agree until it has been investigated fully it is wrong to put blame on the pilot he is a very experienced pilot anything could have gone wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We were there today. So very sad
Did the show end or did it carry on? I thought I saw the vulcan go over the pier later on?....
No it stopped and tomorrow's is cancelled.
The Vulcan flew once over very quietly as a mark of respect.
Seen the vulcan come over cirencester on its way down. Does anyone know where the hunter was from as there is a guy who flies one out of kemble near us."
I've been told (by a friend who is BA cabin crew) that the pilot is a BA airline pilot. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I think the g force might of been to great and blacked out.
R.I.P
A bit too early for that kind of speculation.I agree until it has been investigated fully it is wrong to put blame on the pilot he is a very experienced pilot anything could have gone wrong"
More likely a number of causes all of which had they occurred independently could probably have been dealt with. Almost all accidents require all the holes in the cheese to all be lined up together at exactly the wrong moment.
This pilot would never knowingly allow his aircraft to be so off the display line and so low. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The pilot was a BA pilot and had flown Harrier Jump jets too. Very experienced so I would doubt pilot error. Also heard the plane split in two as it did the loop.
I don't feel it's right to speculate or try and put blame on anyone. Just hope the death toll doesn't increase. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Was at the show with flight crew who were also due to display.
It was a horrific but tragic ACCIDENT. The pilots who fly know the risks they take ans are happy to do so. Not a single one if them would want to take civilian life with them. That is the very worst outcome they could consider.
They are subject to rigourous health and safety and the training and testing requirements are extreme. Andy Hill, the pilot, is incredibly experienced and considered by those who know him as one of the best pilots of his generation.
Investigations will take a long time, and it's likely that this will have been the last show at Shoreham. Perhaps that's the right choice.
Not sure why ifelt the need to post, perhaps just mentally responding to posts and coverage i've seen elsewhere. What happened in Shoreham yesterday was desperately sad, but whether it was pilot error or mechanical issues, the fact remains that it was an accident. It was not malicious, deliberate and could not have been foreseen.
RIP |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is such a wealth of know it all people on this forum so quick to judge let the investigation find out what happened before blaming the pilot plus bets on how quick the relatives start claiming compensation |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is such a wealth of know it all people on this forum so quick to judge let the investigation find out what happened before blaming the pilot plus bets on how quick the relatives start claiming compensation "
Irony. You are judging the relatives.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The pilot was a BA pilot and had flown Harrier Jump jets too. Very experienced so I would doubt pilot error. Also heard the plane split in two as it did the loop.
I don't feel it's right to speculate or try and put blame on anyone. Just hope the death toll doesn't increase. "
Watch the video.
It was in one piece when it hit the ground and you can clearly see him attempt to pull out of the loop but it's too late at that point and the jet stalls. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Dreadful as this tragic situation is ......
I suspect I'm not the only one whose attended events where the risks taken by those involved are a integral part of the attraction,,,,
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have watched the video, it's no where near clear enough to see if cracks have emerged. As for the stalling I can't hear that either! But, if your an air crash investigator I will bow down to your knowledge  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have watched the video, it's no where near clear enough to see if cracks have emerged. As for the stalling I can't hear that either! But, if your an air crash investigator I will bow down to your knowledge "
You can't hear a stall, it's about airspeed over the wing. The pilot pitches up aggressively trying to avoid an impact, he doesn't have enough airspeed to maintain lift at that angle of attack and the plane stalls.
You don't have to be an air crash investigator to understand the theory of flight... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is such a wealth of know it all people on this forum so quick to judge let the investigation find out what happened before blaming the pilot plus bets on how quick the relatives start claiming compensation "
Isn't that what public liability insurance is for ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So he ran out of fuel now?
I think I will wait for the experts to let us all know in a few months rather than someone on Fab within 18 hours of the crash happening.
Anyway our thoughts go out to everyone involved. |
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"We were there today. So very sad
Did the show end or did it carry on? I thought I saw the vulcan go over the pier later on?....
No it stopped and tomorrow's is cancelled.
The Vulcan flew once over very quietly as a mark of respect.
I thought it must've been stopped but when I saw it flying over I wasn't sure. A fitting sign of respect though.
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I think the respect bit was it flying quietly, not they flying over bit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So he ran out of fuel now?
I think I will wait for the experts to let us all know in a few months rather than someone on Fab within 18 hours of the crash happening.
Anyway our thoughts go out to everyone involved. "
Who said anything about running out of fuel?! 
Lift is generated by airflow over the wing (the shape of a wing provides low pressure above the wing and high pressure below it).
All aircraft have what's known as a stall speed which is the point where there's not enough lift generated by the wing.
Jet engines don't provide instant power (especially those designed in the 50's) so even if he slammed on full power (he probably did) he didn't have enough altitude to gain the speed needed to regain sufficient lift. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I have watched the video, it's no where near clear enough to see if cracks have emerged. As for the stalling I can't hear that either! But, if your an air crash investigator I will bow down to your knowledge
You can't hear a stall, it's about airspeed over the wing. The pilot pitches up aggressively trying to avoid an impact, he doesn't have enough airspeed to maintain lift at that angle of attack and the plane stalls.
You don't have to be an air crash investigator to understand the theory of flight..."
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But you did say "jet stall." A stalling jet engine and a stalling aircraft are two different things. You most certainly would hear a stalled jet engine. |
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Less than 24 hrs and the blame game already started by total strangers.
Very dignified. Maybe leave it till the facts are declared and the guy can answer for himself.
Shocking incident. I can't image the tragedies that families are now going through.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have watched the video, it's no where near clear enough to see if cracks have emerged. As for the stalling I can't hear that either! But, if your an air crash investigator I will bow down to your knowledge
You can't hear a stall, it's about airspeed over the wing. The pilot pitches up aggressively trying to avoid an impact, he doesn't have enough airspeed to maintain lift at that angle of attack and the plane stalls.
You don't have to be an air crash investigator to understand the theory of flight...b
But you did say "jet stall." A stalling jet engine and a stalling aircraft are two different things. You most certainly would hear a stalled jet engine."
Is said " the jet stalls" meaning the aircraft, it was a figure of speech. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know all of this. Are you now saying his altimeter was at fault as he started the loop too low?
As I said, I will wait for the investigators.
I think trying to say pilot error when the guy is fighting for his life is, if I am honest crass at the very least. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Was at the show with flight crew who were also due to display.
It was a horrific but tragic ACCIDENT. The pilots who fly know the risks they take ans are happy to do so. Not a single one if them would want to take civilian life with them. That is the very worst outcome they could consider.
They are subject to rigourous health and safety and the training and testing requirements are extreme. Andy Hill, the pilot, is incredibly experienced and considered by those who know him as one of the best pilots of his generation.
Investigations will take a long time, and it's likely that this will have been the last show at Shoreham. Perhaps that's the right choice.
Not sure why ifelt the need to post, perhaps just mentally responding to posts and coverage i've seen elsewhere. What happened in Shoreham yesterday was desperately sad, but whether it was pilot error or mechanical issues, the fact remains that it was an accident. It was not malicious, deliberate and could not have been foreseen.
RIP"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Was at the show with flight crew who were also due to display.
It was a horrific but tragic ACCIDENT. The pilots who fly know the risks they take ans are happy to
the fact remains that it was an accident. It was not malicious, deliberate and could not have been foreseen.
RIP"
An accident isn't a fact.
there is no such thing as an accident.
There will of been a number of human errors and mistakes that led to this crash. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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Seven people dead with the possibility of more bodies being found. The pilot in hospital 'fighting for his life' according to the BBC. Not one of us was in that plane with him, yet this thread gets hijacked by people basically showing off. I despair.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know all of this. Are you now saying his altimeter was at fault as he started the loop too low?
As I said, I will wait for the investigators.
I think trying to say pilot error when the guy is fighting for his life is, if I am honest crass at the very least. "
Nope, I never said his altimeter was at fault but having sat in the cockpit of several Hunters and other cold war era jets at Bruntingthorpe I can say that the analogue dials will be totally different to what the pilot flys more regularly in his role as a BA captain. They're not massively clear and (this part is an assumption) it's possible he could have miss read it or confused it with another dial, or, he could have been being cocky.
As for crass, I'm guessing you've not read many of my forum posts but let's not make this a personal attack eh... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's health and safety gone mad and there's crashing a plane next to spectators week in week out.
thoughts are with the tax payers.
Did you think before posting that?
yes I thought some fucker might read it and not kill a child next week. "
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I know all of this. Are you now saying his altimeter was at fault as he started the loop too low?
As I said, I will wait for the investigators.
I think trying to say pilot error when the guy is fighting for his life is, if I am honest crass at the very least.
Nope, I never said his altimeter was at fault but having sat in the cockpit of several Hunters and other cold war era jets at Bruntingthorpe I can say that the analogue dials will be totally different to what the pilot flys more regularly in his role as a BA captain. They're not massively clear and (this part is an assumption) it's possible he could have miss read it or confused it with another dial, or, he could have been being cocky.
As for crass, I'm guessing you've not read many of my forum posts but let's not make this a personal attack eh..."
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
You have absolutely no idea at all as to what happened and your assumptions are crass bearing in mind the death toll and the fact that the pilot is fighting for his own life.
This guy knew his stuff and he would never knowingly have put that aircraft so low and so off the display line. As has been said by others, there will be a whole series of issues that all unfortunately lined up together to conspire against the pilot and overwhelm his ability to recover. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'd urge folk to keep theories to themselves. They're all probably wide of the mark. Unless any of you here are air accident investigators of course.
From video footage and photo's, I can come up with any number of causes too but I won't speculate publicly because investigators knowledge far exceeds mine.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know all of this. Are you now saying his altimeter was at fault as he started the loop too low?
As I said, I will wait for the investigators.
I think trying to say pilot error when the guy is fighting for his life is, if I am honest crass at the very least.
Nope, I never said his altimeter was at fault but having sat in the cockpit of several Hunters and other cold war era jets at Bruntingthorpe I can say that the analogue dials will be totally different to what the pilot flys more regularly in his role as a BA captain. They're not massively clear and (this part is an assumption) it's possible he could have miss read it or confused it with another dial, or, he could have been being cocky.
As for crass, I'm guessing you've not read many of my forum posts but let's not make this a personal attack eh...
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
You have absolutely no idea at all as to what happened and your assumptions are crass bearing in mind the death toll and the fact that the pilot is fighting for his own life.
This guy knew his stuff and he would never knowingly have put that aircraft so low and so off the display line. As has been said by others, there will be a whole series of issues that all unfortunately lined up together to conspire against the pilot and overwhelm his ability to recover."
we shall have to agree to disagree then (apart from the crass part).
I doubt that my comments on a swinging site will affect the pilots ability to recover though, I wish him a full recovery. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd urge folk to keep theories to themselves. They're all probably wide of the mark. Unless any of you here are air accident investigators of course.
From video footage and photo's, I can come up with any number of causes too but I won't speculate publicly because investigators knowledge far exceeds mine.
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By *aptop9Man
over a year ago
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One of the guys killed has now been named. Come on all lest stop bickering and speculating on what happened, let's wait for the experts to do there work and spend just a few moments thinking about the dead and the families and friends that have been effected.. I was there yesterday and was not a nice experience to see it unfolding. Then getting home and reflecting how close we were and lucky we were not directly involved. Let's hope the count does not go up! RIP.... |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I know all of this. Are you now saying his altimeter was at fault as he started the loop too low?
As I said, I will wait for the investigators.
I think trying to say pilot error when the guy is fighting for his life is, if I am honest crass at the very least.
Nope, I never said his altimeter was at fault but having sat in the cockpit of several Hunters and other cold war era jets at Bruntingthorpe I can say that the analogue dials will be totally different to what the pilot flys more regularly in his role as a BA captain. They're not massively clear and (this part is an assumption) it's possible he could have miss read it or confused it with another dial, or, he could have been being cocky.
As for crass, I'm guessing you've not read many of my forum posts but let's not make this a personal attack eh...
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
You have absolutely no idea at all as to what happened and your assumptions are crass bearing in mind the death toll and the fact that the pilot is fighting for his own life.
This guy knew his stuff and he would never knowingly have put that aircraft so low and so off the display line. As has been said by others, there will be a whole series of issues that all unfortunately lined up together to conspire against the pilot and overwhelm his ability to recover.
we shall have to agree to disagree then (apart from the crass part).
I doubt that my comments on a swinging site will affect the pilots ability to recover though, I wish him a full recovery."
They meant recover from the manoeuvre once it started to go wrong.
I agree that at this stage it's wrong to speculate or start placing blame.
The footage and information available to us will only be a fraction of the actual facts, all of which will need to be considered to determine what happened. That will happen in due course once experts have investigated.
Accident footage always brings a plethora of experts out of the woodwork, none of which have the full facts.
My thoughts are still with all involved, in whatever way, with this dreadful accident. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting. "
Unfortunately on here that can happen, posting without thought for anyone else.
Very sad day for everyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel it's a terrible thing for all those involved and for the families left behind to deal with the hurt. Obviously answers will be needed as to what it happened but for now our thoughts should be with the victims. |
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting. "
sorry for your loss but most of the comments have been about speculation etc of the cause of the accident, not seen any that are as you describe..?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Totally agree about respect for the lost and their families. Awful tragedy.
Unsure why the post on the forum should be stopped though out of respect. Confused by that when people are talking about condolences. ? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting. "
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting. "
What's abhorrent or disgusting about anything posted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting.
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it "
It's not about rules,it's about dignity and respect which quite obviously you and most of the other senseless and heartless commenters are lacking |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting.
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it
It's not about rules,it's about dignity and respect which quite obviously you and most of the other senseless and heartless commenters are lacking"
Most of the comments express sympathy for the family and friends. I'm not sure what you think is heartless. Who has said anything abhorrent or disgusting? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting.
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it
It's not about rules,it's about dignity and respect which quite obviously you and most of the other senseless and heartless commenters are lacking
Most of the comments express sympathy for the family and friends. I'm not sure what you think is heartless. Who has said anything abhorrent or disgusting?"
Same here, cant see anything wrong either. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting.
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it
It's not about rules,it's about dignity and respect which quite obviously you and most of the other senseless and heartless commenters are lacking"
Step away from the keyboard is my advice |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD OUT OF RESPECT.
I knew 3 of the people of lost their lives yesterday and some of the comments on here now are abhorrent and disgusting.
The thread or posts have not broken any rules. If reading or talking about the crash upsets you maybe avoid anything about it
It's not about rules,it's about dignity and respect which quite obviously you and most of the other senseless and heartless commenters are lacking
Step away from the keyboard is my advice "
Having been in this situation, and remembering seeing comments made by people about the death of someone I was close to, some of which really were awful, I can only agree with this.
You'll have a raw wound for quite some time and reading about it will not help.
Do your best to avoid discussions about it for the time being and give yourself some time to come to terms with it and start to heal.
It's not easy, I know, but you'll cause yourself more hurt if you continue to look. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The accident is being discussed all over multiple social media and news sites and so there should be nothing wrong with discussing it on here.
Just to further add to the tragic news it is now reported that there may be as many as 11 fatalities now.
I hope that this does not precipitate a knee jerk reaction by the government or CAA before all the facts are established. A large number of innocent people died yesterday in a very high profile incident but this is not as many people as routinely get killed at home doing DIY, or on our very dangerous roads.
Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions. |
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"The accident is being discussed all over multiple social media and news sites and so there should be nothing wrong with discussing it on here.
Just to further add to the tragic news it is now reported that there may be as many as 11 fatalities now.
I hope that this does not precipitate a knee jerk reaction by the government or CAA before all the facts are established. A large number of innocent people died yesterday in a very high profile incident but this is not as many people as routinely get killed at home doing DIY, or on our very dangerous roads.
Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions."
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"The accident is being discussed all over multiple social media and news sites and so there should be nothing wrong with discussing it on here.
Just to further add to the tragic news it is now reported that there may be as many as 11 fatalities now.
I hope that this does not precipitate a knee jerk reaction by the government or CAA before all the facts are established. A large number of innocent people died yesterday in a very high profile incident but this is not as many people as routinely get killed at home doing DIY, or on our very dangerous roads.
Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions."
I'd agree with this. Having discussed this accident with a friend today we came up with something along the lines of these old jets only doing straight passes along the flight line, no stressful manoeuvres or 'hot-shot' flying. |
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"Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions.
I'd agree with this. Having discussed this accident with a friend today we came up with something along the lines of these old jets only doing straight passes along the flight line, no stressful manoeuvres or 'hot-shot' flying."
You agree with waiting until the investigation is complete then proceed to come out with some knee-jerk reactions/ 'Hot-shot flying' |
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"Was at the show with flight crew who were also due to display.
It was a horrific but tragic ACCIDENT. The pilots who fly know the risks they take ans are happy to
the fact remains that it was an accident. It was not malicious, deliberate and could not have been foreseen.
RIP
An accident isn't a fact.
there is no such thing as an accident.
There will of been a number of human errors and mistakes that led to this crash. "
There are a series of events that lead to an incident, accident is saying there is blame. At the moment we don't know anything apart from a plane has crashed, and 7 people have died in the incident. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The pictures showing "fluid" pouring out of one of the drop tanks are being heavily debated on the aviation forums. If you haven't seen the picture it is in the Express and the fluid is visible trailing out in some quantity from the wing tank. |
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"Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions.
I'd agree with this. Having discussed this accident with a friend today we came up with something along the lines of these old jets only doing straight passes along the flight line, no stressful manoeuvres or 'hot-shot' flying.
You agree with waiting until the investigation is complete then proceed to come out with some knee-jerk reactions/ 'Hot-shot flying' "
I don't see the problem with what I said.
If you wish to continue to over analyse everything I type then feel free. Display old jets, just don't take risks with them, the airframes are old and limited and the pilots may not be completely familiar with older flight systems, no computers, analogue displays and no fly-by-wire controls. A few low speed fly-by's is perfectly sufficient and far less risky. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions.
I'd agree with this. Having discussed this accident with a friend today we came up with something along the lines of these old jets only doing straight passes along the flight line, no stressful manoeuvres or 'hot-shot' flying.
You agree with waiting until the investigation is complete then proceed to come out with some knee-jerk reactions/ 'Hot-shot flying'
I don't see the problem with what I said.
If you wish to continue to over analyse everything I type then feel free. Display old jets, just don't take risks with them, the airframes are old and limited and the pilots may not be completely familiar with older flight systems, no computers, analogue displays and no fly-by-wire controls. A few low speed fly-by's is perfectly sufficient and far less risky."
That is a knee jerk reaction without knowing the facts of this incident though 
What's wrong with the suggestion of waiting until we find out what happened and then letting those qualified decide how to proceed in future? |
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"I think the g force might of been to great and blacked out.
R.I.P
A bit too early for that kind of speculation.I agree until it has been investigated fully it is wrong to put blame on the pilot he is a very experienced pilot anything could have gone wrong"
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"Learn the lessons and minimise still further the risk of such an accident happening again once the investigation is complete, but please, no knee jerk reactions.
I'd agree with this. Having discussed this accident with a friend today we came up with something along the lines of these old jets only doing straight passes along the flight line, no stressful manoeuvres or 'hot-shot' flying.
You agree with waiting until the investigation is complete then proceed to come out with some knee-jerk reactions/ 'Hot-shot flying'
I don't see the problem with what I said.
If you wish to continue to over analyse everything I type then feel free. Display old jets, just don't take risks with them, the airframes are old and limited and the pilots may not be completely familiar with older flight systems, no computers, analogue displays and no fly-by-wire controls. A few low speed fly-by's is perfectly sufficient and far less risky.
That is a knee jerk reaction without knowing the facts of this incident though
What's wrong with the suggestion of waiting until we find out what happened and then letting those qualified decide how to proceed in future? "
So if I suggest it's pilot error I'm lambasted.
If I suggest reducing stresses on a 50yr old airframe to reduce risks of a mechanical failure I'm lambasted.
I've not once said don't wait for the results of the official investigation, I have merely speculated at the possible causes and people are jumping all over me. |
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"Display old jets, just don't take risks with them, the airframes are old and limited and the pilots may not be completely familiar with older flight systems, no computers, analogue displays and no fly-by-wire controls. A few low speed fly-by's is perfectly sufficient and far less risky."
Aslong as the jets are well maintained there should not be an issue.
Same with the pilots, decent fitness and training, then there is no issue.
Plenty of aircraft don't need or have computers in them, many have analogue displays too.
I've worked on quite a few old airframes in my time, providing they are looked after then they are no different to new aircraft |
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"Display old jets, just don't take risks with them, the airframes are old and limited and the pilots may not be completely familiar with older flight systems, no computers, analogue displays and no fly-by-wire controls. A few low speed fly-by's is perfectly sufficient and far less risky.
Aslong as the jets are well maintained there should not be an issue.
Same with the pilots, decent fitness and training, then there is no issue.
Plenty of aircraft don't need or have computers in them, many have analogue displays too.
I've worked on quite a few old airframes in my time, providing they are looked after then they are no different to new aircraft "
Was in the queue of traffic on Saturday, if I had been a few minutes later setting off then would have been involved, saw the plumes of smoke ..... A number of peoe we're sat out on the verges with their picnics watching the show ....
Body count expected to rise to 20 just now.
Truly awful. Thoughts and prayers are with all those involved and their families and loved ones. |
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On thing to mention to people that were around at the time of this awful accident. If you have video or photos of this accident no matter how distressing it is you should keep hold of them for the time being. The accident investigation team might request for any pictures or videos to help with the investigation. In the past its helped out with other accidents. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"On thing to mention to people that were around at the time of this awful accident. If you have video or photos of this accident no matter how distressing it is you should keep hold of them for the time being. The accident investigation team might request for any pictures or videos to help with the investigation. In the past its helped out with other accidents. "
They already have asked for footage or pics |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"It was started as a sympathy thread personally I'd say it's been dragged off topic. If people want to debate causes of the crash why not start there own thread to keep the two separate.
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If it had had RIP all of those concerned in the header and OP I would have agreed and asked people to go start their own, but it was a normal post commenting on a tragedy. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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So if I suggest it's pilot error I'm lambasted.
If I suggest reducing stresses on a 50yr old airframe to reduce risks of a mechanical failure I'm lambasted.
I've not once said don't wait for the results of the official investigation, I have merely speculated at the possible causes and people are jumping all over me."
I am guessing we have all done it since hearing about it, I am not sure why people can't voice what they are thinking. |
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