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"i think if you have sky then you should have the option for all bbc channels to be blocked. so then you cannot recieve any bbc channel which would require you to have a license. having said that because most people have broadband internet and can access the bbc website you'll still get taken to court for not having one as they will say you have the technology in your home to use services provided by the bbc. but personally i would like the choice of paying for sky, virgin media or the bbc. and only paying for who you choose as your media provider." Nope - currently, even if you use the internet to access the BBC iplayer, if you do not have a television or anything capable of receiving a television signal in your home (so be careful with some of the latest laptop models!) then you do NOT have to pay a licence fee. That may well change however if the BBC gets permission to live stream their programmes directly through the internet, at present you cannot access the programmes until after they have been aired, the future though, especially with faster internet speeds becoming so readily available, looks soon to include this - in which case the BBC will have a case in which to ask internet users to pay a licence fee regardless of whether or not they have a television in the house. There are many arguments around this, including various ideas about having a coding used within your ISP to identify if you have a TV licence registered at your address to define whether or not you can use the iplayer etc, pay as you view on live programmes, many others, its using up at least a little of your television licence fees already just to discuss this! | |||
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" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited " If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record???? | |||
" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record????" im sorry but you are wrong you can watch a dvd on a telly without having to have a tv liscence all you need say is that the tuner is tuned to the dvd player and not to the signal from the aeriel they can use there detection equiptment as many times as they like , and in fact detect a tv is being used that is not enough to warrant a magistrate to issue a search warrant the reason being it is perfectly legal to watch a dvd on a tellyvision without having a liscence | |||
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" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record???? im sorry but you are wrong you can watch a dvd on a telly without having to have a tv liscence all you need say is that the tuner is tuned to the dvd player and not to the signal from the aeriel they can use there detection equiptment as many times as they like , and in fact detect a tv is being used that is not enough to warrant a magistrate to issue a search warrant the reason being it is perfectly legal to watch a dvd on a tellyvision without having a liscence " Wrong ! if the equipment is CAPABLE of receiving an offair television signal you require a TV licence - end of argument | |||
"EXTRACT FROM BBC WEBSITE You don t need a licence if you don t use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they re being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch programmes on your computer after they have been shown on TV. If this is the case, please let us know, as this helps us to keep our database up to date and means you won t receive the standard letters we send to unlicensed addresses. " not quite right. You can use a monitor but not a TV. A TV is a device that can receive broadcasted television signals so connect your DVD, say what you like but the detector vans can tell the difference and if you refuse entry you get a summons if you don't posses a licence. However at present, no licence is required to watch catch-up TV on iPlayer. Live streaming services are covered by the same legislation as broadcast TV, and requires a colour licence. Also note if you have a pc with a TV card you still need a licence. | |||
" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record???? im sorry but you are wrong you can watch a dvd on a telly without having to have a tv liscence all you need say is that the tuner is tuned to the dvd player and not to the signal from the aeriel they can use there detection equiptment as many times as they like , and in fact detect a tv is being used that is not enough to warrant a magistrate to issue a search warrant the reason being it is perfectly legal to watch a dvd on a tellyvision without having a liscence Wrong ! if the equipment is CAPABLE of receiving an offair television signal you require a TV licence - end of argument " Spot on  | |||
"i think if you have sky then you should have the option for all bbc channels to be blocked. so then you cannot recieve any bbc channel which would require you to have a license. having said that because most people have broadband internet and can access the bbc website you'll still get taken to court for not having one as they will say you have the technology in your home to use services provided by the bbc. but personally i would like the choice of paying for sky, virgin media or the bbc. and only paying for who you choose as your media provider." I so agree with you I have been saying this for years. | |||
"i think if you have sky then you should have the option for all bbc channels to be blocked. so then you cannot recieve any bbc channel which would require you to have a license. having said that because most people have broadband internet and can access the bbc website you'll still get taken to court for not having one as they will say you have the technology in your home to use services provided by the bbc. but personally i would like the choice of paying for sky, virgin media or the bbc. and only paying for who you choose as your media provider. Nope - currently, even if you use the internet to access the BBC iplayer, if you do not have a television or anything capable of receiving a television signal in your home (so be careful with some of the latest laptop models!) then you do NOT have to pay a licence fee. That may well change however if the BBC gets permission to live stream their programmes directly through the internet, at present you cannot access the programmes until after they have been aired, the future though, especially with faster internet speeds becoming so readily available, looks soon to include this - in which case the BBC will have a case in which to ask internet users to pay a licence fee regardless of whether or not they have a television in the house. There are many arguments around this, including various ideas about having a coding used within your ISP to identify if you have a TV licence registered at your address to define whether or not you can use the iplayer etc, pay as you view on live programmes, many others, its using up at least a little of your television licence fees already just to discuss this!" if you look on some of the bbc's website programmes it says you must have a license in the uk to watch this programme. | |||
"i think if you have sky then you should have the option for all bbc channels to be blocked. so then you cannot recieve any bbc channel which would require you to have a license. having said that because most people have broadband internet and can access the bbc website you'll still get taken to court for not having one as they will say you have the technology in your home to use services provided by the bbc. but personally i would like the choice of paying for sky, virgin media or the bbc. and only paying for who you choose as your media provider. Nope - currently, even if you use the internet to access the BBC iplayer, if you do not have a television or anything capable of receiving a television signal in your home (so be careful with some of the latest laptop models!) then you do NOT have to pay a licence fee. That may well change however if the BBC gets permission to live stream their programmes directly through the internet, at present you cannot access the programmes until after they have been aired, the future though, especially with faster internet speeds becoming so readily available, looks soon to include this - in which case the BBC will have a case in which to ask internet users to pay a licence fee regardless of whether or not they have a television in the house. There are many arguments around this, including various ideas about having a coding used within your ISP to identify if you have a TV licence registered at your address to define whether or not you can use the iplayer etc, pay as you view on live programmes, many others, its using up at least a little of your television licence fees already just to discuss this! if you look on some of the bbc's website programmes it says you must have a license in the uk to watch this programme." I know what it says but at present it only covers live streaming, the Iplayer is not included in legislation yet so you could appeal and get away with it on a technicality. | |||
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It sounds like a lot of money, but if it's worked out properly, it ain't that expensive. Yes a lot, probably most of the stuff is shite, but take the good programmes that you watch in the space of 12 months then work out how much it would cost if you had to go to the cinema to watch it .... I know what would be the cheaper option  | |||
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"Wrong ! if the equipment is CAPABLE of receiving an offair television signal you require a TV licence - end of argument " That was the case until 2003, and still is the case in Ireland, it's now legal in the UK to use a TV as a monitor only and to watch dvd's, play games consoles etc without the need for a TV licence. | |||
"EXTRACT FROM BBC WEBSITE You don t need a licence if you don t use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they re being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch programmes on your computer after they have been shown on TV. If this is the case, please let us know, as this helps us to keep our database up to date and means you won t receive the standard letters we send to unlicensed addresses. not quite right. You can use a monitor but not a TV. A TV is a device that can receive broadcasted television signals so connect your DVD, say what you like but the detector vans can tell the difference and if you refuse entry you get a summons if you don't posses a licence. However at present, no licence is required to watch catch-up TV on iPlayer. Live streaming services are covered by the same legislation as broadcast TV, and requires a colour licence. Also note if you have a pc with a TV card you still need a licence." save all arguments, do what we did... just give em a ring and ask them | |||
"EXTRACT FROM BBC WEBSITE You don t need a licence if you don t use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they re being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch programmes on your computer after they have been shown on TV. If this is the case, please let us know, as this helps us to keep our database up to date and means you won t receive the standard letters we send to unlicensed addresses. not quite right. You can use a monitor but not a TV. A TV is a device that can receive broadcasted television signals so connect your DVD, say what you like but the detector vans can tell the difference and if you refuse entry you get a summons if you don't posses a licence. However at present, no licence is required to watch catch-up TV on iPlayer. Live streaming services are covered by the same legislation as broadcast TV, and requires a colour licence. Also note if you have a pc with a TV card you still need a licence. save all arguments, do what we did... just give em a ring and ask them" I can do better than that, so can you if you pop into court and watch from the viewing dock. | |||
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" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record???? im sorry but you are wrong you can watch a dvd on a telly without having to have a tv liscence all you need say is that the tuner is tuned to the dvd player and not to the signal from the aeriel they can use there detection equiptment as many times as they like , and in fact detect a tv is being used that is not enough to warrant a magistrate to issue a search warrant the reason being it is perfectly legal to watch a dvd on a tellyvision without having a liscence " the people in the vans can tell you what tv programe you are watching to saying you have a DVD on wont work at all, it happened to us twice  | |||
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" my advice is to do what i do and dont have a liscence if a tv detector van says you got a telly on it ok as you can say you are watching a DVD they cant enter the house without a search warrant and the fact is a magistrate will not issue one , as they need proof that a crime might have been commited If you have equipment in your home which is capable of receiving a television signal, saying all you do is watch DVD's will NOT work - in fact, by admitting that they have the grounds for a fine for non-payment and a court case. Enquiry officers will call round initially, they do not have the right to come into your home without permission, but it will only take a few refusals for them to get permission to use detection equipment - once it has gone this far, the BBC WILL follow through to presenting evidence of non-payment to a magistrate, and they WILL (eventually) get a search warrant... This can take anything from a couple of months or so, to even a few years, however, is it really worth risking the criminal record???? im sorry but you are wrong you can watch a dvd on a telly without having to have a tv liscence all you need say is that the tuner is tuned to the dvd player and not to the signal from the aeriel they can use there detection equiptment as many times as they like , and in fact detect a tv is being used that is not enough to warrant a magistrate to issue a search warrant the reason being it is perfectly legal to watch a dvd on a tellyvision without having a liscence the people in the vans can tell you what tv programe you are watching to saying you have a DVD on wont work at all, it happened to us twice "im sorry but they were feeding you bullshit if you were fined for watching a live proggrame without having a liscence you must have admitted it had you gone to court and denied it you would have walked free and have had all your court costs and expenses reimbursed just like speed cameras tv detectors have to be calibrated , adjusted and in fact be PROVED to be efficient it has been tried under the freedom of information act to gain acces to these calibration records etc the bbc refuse therefore any court would rule in favour of a person who denied there guilt or it would be like trying to fine a person for speeding using a camera calibrated by a monkey , and on top of that giving no explanation of how the camera worked the judge would laugh the case out of court http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Detector%20vans.htm | |||
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 ) when I didn't have a television, it was most certainly the case that if I had anything capable of receiving a signal I had to pay for a licence. All I did, was let in an enquiry officer to take a quick look around, 3 minutes later he left and I was left alone by the TV licensing folks for the next 2 years.. this was around the year 2000..
Since then however, the law has been repealed and updated to say that you can now make a "No Licence Needed Claim" if you do not USE anything to receive live broadcasts (no matter who the broadcast is from). So, theoretically, as long as you do not have the TV/PC etc tuned in at all, you can easily show this to an enquiry officer and be left alone for the following 2 years.
Again though, if you are using this as a loophole to get out of paying for it when you should be - (I could happily tell you what I personally think of this, but will keep it civil!) I wouldn't recommend it - its not really worth the hassle of refusing entry to an enquiry officer, or constantly de-tuning and unplugging your TV/pc/mobile etc to avoid what amounts to less than £3 a week, risking a prosecution and fine? | |||
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"Apparently not now...(had to go check after our friend here insisted it was wrong - where do the years go?? ) when I didn't have a television, it was most certainly the case that if I had anything capable of receiving a signal I had to pay for a licence. All I did, was let in an enquiry officer to take a quick look around, 3 minutes later he left and I was left alone by the TV licensing folks for the next 2 years.. this was around the year 2000..
Since then however, the law has been repealed and updated to say that you can now make a "No Licence Needed Claim" if you do not USE anything to receive live broadcasts (no matter who the broadcast is from). So, theoretically, as long as you do not have the TV/PC etc tuned in at all, you can easily show this to an enquiry officer and be left alone for the following 2 years.
Again though, if you are using this as a loophole to get out of paying for it when you should be - (I could happily tell you what I personally think of this, but will keep it civil!) I wouldn't recommend it - its not really worth the hassle of refusing entry to an enquiry officer, or constantly de-tuning and unplugging your TV/pc/mobile etc to avoid what amounts to less than £3 a week, risking a prosecution and fine? "there is no requirement to make a no liscence needed claim just the same as you dont need to make a claim saying i wont shoot my neighbours dog furthermore if an enquiry officer knocks on your door all you need do is shut the door in his face if they keep knocking , or call repeatedly CALL THE POLICE you can then happily watch a dvd or vidio tape with the telly pointing out of the lounge window for all to see to be legal all you need do is have the tv tuned to the dvd player and not the tv airiel or sat box you are not obliged to explain yourself to ANYONE and i say again there is no way a magistrate will issue a search warrant for the following reasons the bbc can not say they bellieve a crime is being commited , even though they might have for example readings from a tv detector , or witness saying that a tv is being used in the house in question , as IT IS NOT A CRIME TO BE WATCHING A TV by the way the queen doesnt have a tv liscense so i,ll be fucked if im geting one
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" by the way the queen doesnt have a tv liscense so i,ll be fucked if im geting one "You Do realise that someone will offer to buy you a licence, if they can have a shag now don't you! | |||
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"I'm wondering how someone can prove that their tv is not tuned in. The UHF band alloctaed to TV broadcasting starts at Ch21 and ends at Ch68 - a few years ago, the band was not very crowded and there were indeed lots of band which were unused and if you tuned your tv to one of the gaps, you would indeed not receive a signal, however now it is a different story altogether, the UHF band is very crowded indeed, with many more transmitters radiating signals which vary in power from a few watts to a half a million watts and you are now hard pushed to detune your tv to any part of the band and not receive some kind of a signal, albeit not always a good one. Ok you unplug the aeriel or the DTV / Sky box or whatever else you use and you wont get a signal, but who in their right mind will believe you unless you physically take down the aerial and dish - but even then in area where the signal is very good, you can still resolve a watchable picture with a basic indoor aerial. This is why in years gone by, you could have a monitor and a tv game or a play only VCR and not have a licence, simply because a monitor and play only VCR were not capable of receiving an offair signal. The detector vans (years ago - not sure if the same applies now) detected radiation from a part of the television I.F. circuit called the Local Oscillator and depending upon the frequency that the local oscillator was running at, the actual received frequency could be calculated, hence the detector van / portable detection unit could tell which station you were watching. With the advent of all the digital mullarky I'm not sure if it works the same way now - I've been out the TV trade for 11 years and it's a whole new world out there" They come and check that its not tuned in, doubt you’ll get any channels without an ariel anyway with digital, we can’t and we can see the transmitter from our window. Having said all that most of the people who say this probably do actually watch the TV and only do so to avoid paying for a licence, similar to the people on benefits who want everything for nothing | |||
"I totally agree that you are not obliged to file with the TV licensing that you do not need a licence.. also that you do not need to let an enquiry officer in... HOWEVER .. all that takes is a 10 minute form/phone call/online registration even (I imagine its online now, everything seems to be) and then if and when an enquiry officer comes round, a few minutes to chat (as I had no TV at all anyway, it took less than 4 minutes before the guy was gone), show your TV is not tuned in and they're gone... For two years you are then left totally alone, no reminders, no letters every other week, no phone calls, no visits... Surely its worth showing the folks you're legit? If you're not and simply trying to not pay, fine, if you really think its worth taking all the hassle (and yes, its hassle, I hate evening callers I am not expecting and certainly hate reading through letters which accuse me of something I know I am guilty of!) then fine - I don't agree, but hey, my opinion... just seems a bit pointless for £3 a week!" for me its the principle lets suppose i start broadcasting a radio station in brum and for all those that tune in i impose a 50 quid liscence fee if i knocked on your door and asked you to fill out a form declaring you did not tune in , you would tell me to piss off even though it only takes 10 minutes to fill out the forms by the way , how would you feel about ME looking round your house to see if you own a radio ? as for the bbc and its only 3 quid a week , why doesnt the queen pay it ? she has more money than me and someone thought it was worth the hassle of pissing around and putting her name on a list of people that are exempt the content on the bbc is total junk as for the news , you can watch that on sky news , euro news , bloomburg , channel 5 , channel 4 , itv , + many many others in fact sky news often wins the news channel of the year beating the bbc hands down as for adverts , the DO have adverts why do you think there is a 4 minute gap between proggrames ? they advertise upcoming shows etc , and the fact they have us all on a data base its rife with nepatism and extreemly overpaid executives the mind boggles at what theese executives do while in the office , perhaps decide to show MURDER SHE WROTE for the ten thousandth time instead of dads army one of the exects is on 800 thousand a year ........... jesus h christ you think im going to pay towards that | |||
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"Sounds just like an excuse a scrounger would make to get out of paying for something, principle my ass, anything remotely British makes you rant, how can you say you don’t pay for a TV licence because the queen doesn’t, when every other person in the country the same age as the queen doesn’t have to pay for one either "those exempt from paying a tv liscence are noy just "let off" paying they have to provide there national insurance number the reason for this is to enable the bbc to bill the government who end up paying for it that means in fact that i am not a scrounger i am in fact benevolent , as i am paying the queens liscence fee so ......... YOU are paying for your liscence AND paying for the queens laugh at that | |||
 now if your pricible was, prisoners don't have to pay for a TV license so why should we, then I might sympathise with that, I take it you also don’t pay other stuff the queen is exempt from paying, just due to principle of course. | |||
"Sounds just like an excuse a scrounger would make to get out of paying for something, principle my ass, anything remotely British makes you rant, how can you say you don’t pay for a TV licence because the queen doesn’t, when every other person in the country the same age as the queen doesn’t have to pay for one either
those exempt from paying a tv liscence are noy just "let off" paying
they have to provide there national insurance number
the reason for this is to enable the bbc to bill the government who end up paying for it
that means in fact that i am not a scrounger
i am in fact benevolent , as i am paying the queens liscence fee
so ......... YOU are paying for your liscence AND paying for the queens
laugh at that "the tv licence is in effect a tv tax, without it the bbc wouldnt work, wether thats a good thing or not is another matter. not paying a tax does make you a scrounger, because everyone else is paying for your licence. the same way if you dont pay road tax then you cant use the roads. or are you above paying that to??? | |||
"Sounds just like an excuse a scrounger would make to get out of paying for something, principle my ass, anything remotely British makes you rant, how can you say you don’t pay for a TV licence because the queen doesn’t, when every other person in the country the same age as the queen doesn’t have to pay for one either
those exempt from paying a tv liscence are noy just "let off" paying
they have to provide there national insurance number
the reason for this is to enable the bbc to bill the government who end up paying for it
that means in fact that i am not a scrounger
i am in fact benevolent , as i am paying the queens liscence fee
so ......... YOU are paying for your liscence AND paying for the queens
laugh at that
the tv licence is in effect a tv tax, without it the bbc wouldnt work, wether thats a good thing or not is another matter.
not paying a tax does make you a scrounger, because everyone else is paying for your licence.
the same way if you dont pay road tax then you cant use the roads.
or are you above paying that to???
"That's a good point but you will find some are quite happy not to pay tax they just don't like the scrounger term.  | |||
"Sounds just like an excuse a scrounger would make to get out of paying for something, principle my ass, anything remotely British makes you rant, how can you say you don’t pay for a TV licence because the queen doesn’t, when every other person in the country the same age as the queen doesn’t have to pay for one either
those exempt from paying a tv liscence are noy just "let off" paying
they have to provide there national insurance number
the reason for this is to enable the bbc to bill the government who end up paying for it
that means in fact that i am not a scrounger
i am in fact benevolent , as i am paying the queens liscence fee
so ......... YOU are paying for your liscence AND paying for the queens
laugh at that
the tv licence is in effect a tv tax, without it the bbc wouldnt work, wether thats a good thing or not is another matter.
not paying a tax does make you a scrounger, because everyone else is paying for your licence.
the same way if you dont pay road tax then you cant use the roads.
or are you above paying that to???
"when the queen was under the age of 75 she did not pay her tv liscence im glad you agree she was a scrounger then as she used the service and did not pay the tax when prince charles takes over he will no doubt not pay it either he will then be by your own definition be a scrounger | |||
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"ok so the queen is on that basis a scrounger, that still doesnt make you right to not pay, the point is she is entilted to not pay you are not, either live by the rules of the country or try to change the rulesbut people who dont pay for things are stealing from those that do " i am trying to change things by pointing out the queen is a scrounger , a fact you comfortably agree with the more people like your good self that understand this might be convinced we should get rid of the monarchy and have an elected leader instead like the USA the monarchy got where they are today by taking the country by force they literaly STOLE the country and they are in fact the thieves to explain things in a nut shell if i marched 10,000 men up to essex and took it over by force , and then kept MY law and order by smashing the head in of anyone that dissobeyed me ......that is what a monarch is just because it was done a thousand years ago , and over time it has been sanitised , does not make it right try saying to the people of essex that they now have to live by the rules mr luton has imposed perhaps the first rule being they have to pay for my tv liscence | |||
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"covering the fact that your not prepared to pay tax like everyone else by making it into a royal crusade dosnt wash sorry" it "washes" for the royal family they do not pay tax like everyone else the queen did a private deal with winston churchill that has saved her millions and of course she doesnt pay for her tv liscence NOW or even when she was under 75 so i can prove beyond doubt it does "WASH" anyone that might try to defend the royal family and say they are just in the way they pay tax , or just in the method they used to obtain power can only end up digging themselves into a massive black hole and i mean MASSIVE ! | |||
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"covering the fact that your not prepared to pay tax like everyone else by making it into a royal crusade dosnt wash sorry it "washes" for the royal family they do not pay tax like everyone else the queen did a private deal with winston churchill that has saved her millions and of course she doesnt pay for her tv liscence NOW or even when she was under 75 so i can prove beyond doubt it does "WASH" anyone that might try to defend the royal family and say they are just in the way they pay tax , or just in the method they used to obtain power can only end up digging themselves into a massive black hole and i mean MASSIVE !" Not as big a hole as you have dug!
The Queen pays tax on a voluntary basis from her private income, but not on "head of state expenditure". But she did not pay almost £20m of inheritance tax after the death of the Queen Mother!
So holes! Want a ladder? | |||
"covering the fact that your not prepared to pay tax like everyone else by making it into a royal crusade dosnt wash sorry it "washes" for the royal family they do not pay tax like everyone else the queen did a private deal with winston churchill that has saved her millions and of course she doesnt pay for her tv liscence NOW or even when she was under 75 so i can prove beyond doubt it does "WASH" anyone that might try to defend the royal family and say they are just in the way they pay tax , or just in the method they used to obtain power can only end up digging themselves into a massive black hole and i mean MASSIVE !" You have one serious CHIP on your shoulder
Have you ever considered changing your username to luton_clerics | |||
"covering the fact that your not prepared to pay tax like everyone else by making it into a royal crusade dosnt wash sorry it "washes" for the royal family they do not pay tax like everyone else the queen did a private deal with winston churchill that has saved her millions and of course she doesnt pay for her tv liscence NOW or even when she was under 75 so i can prove beyond doubt it does "WASH" anyone that might try to defend the royal family and say they are just in the way they pay tax , or just in the method they used to obtain power can only end up digging themselves into a massive black hole and i mean MASSIVE ! Not as big a hole as you have dug!
The Queen pays tax on a voluntary basis from her private income, but not on "head of state expenditure". But she did not pay almost £20m of inheritance tax after the death of the Queen Mother!
So holes! Want a ladder?"you need to read up on a subject before putting your foot in it http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/may/09/uk.houseofcommons ____________________________________ http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/30/politics.jubilee1 | |||
"covering the fact that your not prepared to pay tax like everyone else by making it into a royal crusade dosnt wash sorry it "washes" for the royal family they do not pay tax like everyone else the queen did a private deal with winston churchill that has saved her millions and of course she doesnt pay for her tv liscence NOW or even when she was under 75 so i can prove beyond doubt it does "WASH" anyone that might try to defend the royal family and say they are just in the way they pay tax , or just in the method they used to obtain power can only end up digging themselves into a massive black hole and i mean MASSIVE ! Not as big a hole as you have dug!
The Queen pays tax on a voluntary basis from her private income, but not on "head of state expenditure". But she did not pay almost £20m of inheritance tax after the death of the Queen Mother!
So holes! Want a ladder?
you need to read up on a subject before putting your foot in it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/may/09/uk.houseofcommons
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/30/politics.jubilee1"Never mind googeling clippings the fact is the queen DOES pay tax and has paid more than you by a fair stretch. What sort of ladder do you need to get out of that hole? I'm off to B&Q and they have all sorts | |||
"The Beeb should be disbanded or forced to go private and carry ads. They're supposed to be non-partisan but they are so left-wing these days. " that hoary old chestnut always makes me laugh when there's a tory government the bbc gets accused of left wing bias - when there's a labour government they are accused of conservative bias. In my mind if they are pissing off the government of the day whoever that might be then that's a pretty good indication of their lack of bias | |||
"The Beeb should be disbanded or forced to go private and carry ads. They're supposed to be non-partisan but they are so left-wing these days. that hoary old chestnut always makes me laugh when there's a tory government the bbc gets accused of left wing bias - when there's a labour government they are accused of conservative bias. In my mind if they are pissing off the government of the day whoever that might be then that's a pretty good indication of their lack of bias" Well said | |||
