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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" You and your friends sound hilarious company  | |||
"But where does the fault lie? The site or the hackers have not done the damage to the families....that started with the perpetrators who tried to go behind their partners backs. Either way....just saying it kept us in stitches!" The views must be wonderful up there on your high horse | |||
"But where does the fault lie? The site or the hackers have not done the damage to the families....that started with the perpetrators who tried to go behind their partners backs. Either way....just saying it kept us in stitches!" we have already discussed who's fault it is in another thread you may wish to use forum search in future. laughing at others mid fortune not(whether they we're doing something they shouldn't or not) makes you sound like a really mature knobshite. just thought you should know  | |||
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On a side note, I read that 99% of the female profiles were fake. 
So men paid to talk to other men. That's a crime. They should refund their money. | |||
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"Maybe not making a judgement....? Just strange things get funny after a few drinks.... Like is knobshite what you get if you are up someone's backside?" maybe so hopefully so | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" No, I find the whole thing quite sad really. Sad that some husbands/wives might be devastated by the fact their other half is on there without their knowledge. | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! You and your friends sound hilarious company "  | |||
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"Nobby are you going to share with us just what is so side splitting hilarious? Or is it just that you are spiteful and vindictive and take pleasure in other peoples misfortune?" It's the latter. | |||
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"I'm fed up of the whole thing now. The amount of narrow minded vindictive spiteful people who spout their nonsense without thinking of the possible devastation this could cause. I personally know 3 single ladies who were on AM who are really worried about this. Yes SINGLE! A widow. A business woman and a lady who is just out of an abusive relationship. " Yeah, but it's bloody hilarious though, right? Side-splittingly so, apparently | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" As long as it doesn't happen on here! | |||
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"No, I don't find it funny at all. What I do find two faced is the hackers say they are doing it to expose AM for keeping data which could compromise people, then compromise those same people by publishing it." That is exactly what I was getting at. You said it better than me | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! You and your friends sound hilarious company "Don't they just! | |||
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"Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious?" No | |||
"No, I don't find it funny at all. What I do find two faced is the hackers say they are doing it to expose AM for keeping data which could compromise people, then compromise those same people by publishing it." Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" And this is one of the reasons I have blocked you | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" . I fail to understand how anyone can consider a breach of security to be amusing . People are entitled to privacy and respect .What aspect of the breach of security was considered to be amusing . ? What type of people considered this breach to be hilarious . ? | |||
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"I neither have sympathy nor ridicule, in this case, it is what it is!, you make a decision in life and you have to live with it and its consequences." | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! As long as it doesn't happen on here! "Having got everybody thinking......exactly the point. Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were. It probably already has happened to many other sites.......? | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" . It would be good to think that this post was a wind up and written to attract attraction. If your friends find this type of information amusing , they must lead very boring dull lives . Why type of individual would like fun at other people's misfortune ? | |||
" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect." quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company...... | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! As long as it doesn't happen on here!
Having got everybody thinking......exactly the point. Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were. It probably already has happened to many other sites.......?"The point of your post was to get people thinking? Nice back peddling | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! As long as it doesn't happen on here!
Having got everybody thinking......exactly the point. Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were. It probably already has happened to many other sites.......?"In other words "Someone help me find reverse gear, I fucked up posting this when pissed..." | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! As long as it doesn't happen on here!
Having got everybody thinking......exactly the point. Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were. It probably already has happened to many other sites.......?
The point of your post was to get people thinking? Nice back peddling" | |||
"... Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were... " Sounds like someone's backtracking to me. The word tool just came to mind. Can't think why... hmmm. | |||
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"I smell a rat ..it's an odd target and really doesn't achieve anything. I suspect this has been done by the security services to act as a warning to people to let them know that they are never fully anonymous online. Furthermore it softens people to the idea of greater powers for cyber crime enforcement. Very soon there will be an announcement that there will be a new international cyber crime agency. This hack is a warning.. If amateur hackers can do this, just imagine how much the professionals have on the people that have something to hide. " Really? No one is immune to being hacked or investigated. Even plebs. Your mobile phone tracks you via triangulation through mobile masts. Facial recognition software can then pick you out in the crowd at Primuchi, so the SIS can render you to a prison in a friendly country, we happen to beat at cricket a lot, say. Probably best to stay in, order food online, except they could poison it and have a wank on cam. Then again they've probably hacked that as well...  | |||
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"No back peddling here and no laughter. Everyone knows the risks. If.you put it on the Internet then there is a risk it will bite you on the arse. I don't have that much of a passion to see hackers taken down. The same people who have a go at them for being moralistic and judgmental do the same themselves when judging that they should not have done it. So everyone is hypocritical. Was it wrong? Yep. But someone was always going to try this, I hope it's a wake up call to important stuff like banks that the hackers are going to be keeping them on their toes. As for the singletons on the site they have no reason to be embarrassed. For them it's just another dating service. Not found myself yet so that's a bit of a disappointment. As for the aussie radio caller, she wanted to know. Ask anyone in a relationship would you want to know if you were being cheated on and I reckon a very high percentage would say yes, even knowing that if they found out it would break up the family. So if you have to have a poke at the hackers can we stop pretending it's to defend those who have been cheated. " They aren't judging anyone. They wanted money. | |||
"From the beginning I didn't understand it at all. Hackers can be known to do brilliant work, and in some cases they make the Internet safer by exposing it's security weaknesses. This is clearly some broken hearted man or men who want to expose all cheaters as some sort of resolution. Cheaters will always be there, just like the faithful people will always be there. What's the point of exposing some stranger? Especially when these hackers have the ability to disrupt truly evil organisations like ISIS. When it comes to cheaters, who really gives a shit what someone else's secrets are? Who do the hackers think they are, imposing their morality on relatively innocent people. Only if you are directly affected by it should you really care. I think the whole thing is just the media is starved for a news story. There's plenty of room on the Internet for another site just like AM. " Wow. Sexism reigns free I see. No woman could be clever enough to hack this site | |||
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"I smell a rat ..it's an odd target and really doesn't achieve anything. I suspect this has been done by the security services to act as a warning to people to let them know that they are never fully anonymous online. Furthermore it softens people to the idea of greater powers for cyber crime enforcement. Very soon there will be an announcement that there will be a new international cyber crime agency. This hack is a warning.. If amateur hackers can do this, just imagine how much the professionals have on the people that have something to hide. Really? No one is immune to being hacked or investigated. Even plebs. Your mobile phone tracks you via triangulation through mobile masts. Facial recognition software can then pick you out in the crowd at Primuchi, so the SIS can render you to a prison in a friendly country, we happen to beat at cricket a lot, say. Probably best to stay in, order food online, except they could poison it and have a wank on cam. Then again they've probably hacked that as well... "Im confused I think you have both made the same point but yours is worded as if you don't agree with him? maybe I'm tired? | |||
" They aren't judging anyone. They wanted money. " Not seen the demand for money just a demand to take down the site. But then I did say it was probably wrong. | |||
" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company......" This is what I wanted to know,were they asking for money. | |||
"No back peddling here and no laughter. Everyone knows the risks. If.you put it on the Internet then there is a risk it will bite you on the arse. I don't have that much of a passion to see hackers taken down. The same people who have a go at them for being moralistic and judgmental do the same themselves when judging that they should not have done it. So everyone is hypocritical. Was it wrong? Yep. But someone was always going to try this, I hope it's a wake up call to important stuff like banks that the hackers are going to be keeping them on their toes. As for the singletons on the site they have no reason to be embarrassed. For them it's just another dating service. Not found myself yet so that's a bit of a disappointment. As for the aussie radio caller, she wanted to know. Ask anyone in a relationship would you want to know if you were being cheated on and I reckon a very high percentage would say yes, even knowing that if they found out it would break up the family. So if you have to have a poke at the hackers can we stop pretending it's to defend those who have been cheated. " . One a simplistic basis the hackers were blackmailers demanding money . There were totally dishonest thugs who just wanted money . People are entitled to privacy and it is none of our businness why people choose to join the site . . | |||
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" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company...... This is what I wanted to know,were they asking for money. " I'm confused now I thought you said they had asked for money? | |||
"No back peddling here and no laughter. Everyone knows the risks. If.you put it on the Internet then there is a risk it will bite you on the arse. I don't have that much of a passion to see hackers taken down. The same people who have a go at them for being moralistic and judgmental do the same themselves when judging that they should not have done it. So everyone is hypocritical. Was it wrong? Yep. But someone was always going to try this, I hope it's a wake up call to important stuff like banks that the hackers are going to be keeping them on their toes. As for the singletons on the site they have no reason to be embarrassed. For them it's just another dating service. Not found myself yet so that's a bit of a disappointment. As for the aussie radio caller, she wanted to know. Ask anyone in a relationship would you want to know if you were being cheated on and I reckon a very high percentage would say yes, even knowing that if they found out it would break up the family. So if you have to have a poke at the hackers can we stop pretending it's to defend those who have been cheated. . One a simplistic basis the hackers were blackmailers demanding money . There were totally dishonest thugs who just wanted money . People are entitled to privacy and it is none of our businness why people choose to join the site . ." Can someone post a link to this demand for money. I've not seen one. | |||
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"These hackers are not moral crusaders righting wrongs and saving mankind. At best they are greedy blackmailers ruining lives for financial gain. Or worse criminal drug dealers or terrorists trying to make cash for god knows what, or religious zealots trying to force their narrow ridiculous views on to all of us at any cost, extremists if you will. No time for them pompous twats." Show me the money. In terms of narrow views should we put that to a world census and see what the results are. Or shall we take it that you've already done this? | |||
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" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company...... This is what I wanted to know,were they asking for money. I'm confused now I thought you said they had asked for money? " I asked for clarification because people had said they were asking for money. I can't see any reports of that anywhere. | |||
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"Who are they? Self appointed moral guardians? On behalf of whom? To what end? Who are they to judge those in that site? How do they know the individual circumstances of those they damage? They don't and they don't care they have decided what is best for thousands of people with no mandate to do so. Self important knobs the lot of em. It's censorship of a fashion and I'll still wager money is at its core" If you hack them then you can tell us who they are. | |||
" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company...... This is what I wanted to know,were they asking for money. I'm confused now I thought you said they had asked for money? I asked for clarification because people had said they were asking for money. I can't see any reports of that anywhere. " they have never asked for money.... Some people in this thread are inferring that because it makes a point about them being greedy... they (the hackers asked for ALM (the owners) to admit they have been taking money for a "complete delete" they they haven't.... and also for two sites "Ashley Madison" and "Established Men" to be taken down... | |||
" Exactly. They saw a chance for a quick buck. Didn't get it so spat their dummy out by printing the list. If it has exposed AM as fraudulent that is very good but very lucky side effect. quick buck..... actually the only people that accusation can be made at is ALM for charging for something they knew they couldn't follow thru on the hackers if you have followed the story have never at ny point asked for money.... they asked for the sites to be shut down.... in a way they may get what they wanted in they fact i bet the incoming lawsuits will cripple the company...... This is what I wanted to know,were they asking for money. I'm confused now I thought you said they had asked for money? I asked for clarification because people had said they were asking for money. I can't see any reports of that anywhere. they have never asked for money.... Some people in this thread are inferring that because it makes a point about them being greedy... they (the hackers asked for ALM (the owners) to admit they have been taking money for a "complete delete" they they haven't.... and also for two sites "Ashley Madison" and "Established Men" to be taken down..." Yep that's what I heard. | |||
"I smell a rat ..it's an odd target and really doesn't achieve anything. I suspect this has been done by the security services to act as a warning to people to let them know that they are never fully anonymous online. Furthermore it softens people to the idea of greater powers for cyber crime enforcement. Very soon there will be an announcement that there will be a new international cyber crime agency. This hack is a warning.. If amateur hackers can do this, just imagine how much the professionals have on the people that have something to hide. Really? No one is immune to being hacked or investigated. Even plebs. Your mobile phone tracks you via triangulation through mobile masts. Facial recognition software can then pick you out in the crowd at Primuchi, so the SIS can render you to a prison in a friendly country, we happen to beat at cricket a lot, say. Probably best to stay in, order food online, except they could poison it and have a wank on cam. Then again they've probably hacked that as well...
Im confused I think you have both made the same point but yours is worded as if you don't agree with him? maybe I'm tired?"The irony in my OP reply clearly didn't come through!! | |||
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"Laughable. Someone asking for money for blackmail is surely going to post it on the Internet! " again... posting something that isn't true doesn't help the fact that you are posting something that isn't true!!!
you find any link saying the hackers demanded money... i'll happily correct...
but until then.... dont say something just because it backs up "your" theory
anyway...back to the subject... interesting article in the guardian... about 5 different people caught up in this.. and their views... its an interesting read...
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/21/ashley-madison-hack-five-people-database-experience | |||
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"The principle behind it is what I don't like. They have issues with how a site is abusing peoples' trust,so they cause trouble for the very people they say they are trying to help. " This is very true - it is quite common for hackers to vent outrage at a company, and then engage in activity that harms the customers. | |||
"The principle behind it is what I don't like. They have issues with how a site is abusing peoples' trust,so they cause trouble for the very people they say they are trying to help. " Agreed
Just to clarify and add to the post before, the women who used credit cards for the site had only paid for the removal service. The site was free for women, the only charge was for the fake data removal service | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" "Two Ashley Madison clients are reported to have taken their lives after hackers published their details according to police in Canada. The police have just held a news conference about the Ashley Madison investigation at Toronto Police Headquarters." | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! "Two Ashley Madison clients are reported to have taken their lives after hackers published their details according to police in Canada. The police have just held a news conference about the Ashley Madison investigation at Toronto Police Headquarters." " Side-splittingly hilarious OP, hey?  | |||
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"Always a sad state of affairs when someone takes their own life but nice to know some people are getting an I told you so from it. Of course the op did not wish suicide on anyone. They maybe insensitive but very few people are cruel enough to wish for suicide. But I'll leave that to the puritans on here to judge the OP in the way they would never judge people using Ashley Madison. " oh the irony.. | |||
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"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" I'm sure the families of the 2 suicides reported in Canada in relation to this are laughing along with you... | |||
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"re: the suicides... I think the interesting point may well be if we find out these people were innocent users potentially caught up in this.... or whether these were users who thought that killing themselves was an "easier" way out than telling their partners... I have sympathy for the families involved... but i will hold my judgements on those users until we know the circumstances" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. | |||
" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances." I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this | |||
" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this" But Fabio you don't know that. That's my point. | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages!" Whilst everyone has their right to their own opinion, you and your mates really gave a very shallow outlook on life and how disastrous events like this really seriously impact on the truly "Innocent" family members caught up in this. Put it another way, what if one of your family was caught up in this and you heard that someone else found that rib ticklingly funny? Errm, I think not! Just tell us the pubs you go to, so we can avoid them! | |||
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"re: the suicides... I think the interesting point may well be if we find out these people were innocent users potentially caught up in this.... or whether these were users who thought that killing themselves was an "easier" way out than telling their partners... I have sympathy for the families involved... but i will hold my judgements on those users until we know the circumstances" out of interest _abio what are your judgements? | |||
" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this" Innocent as in not broken any laws. Neither did anyone who signed up to the site. They are innocent parties too. Some may be adulterers,but that isn't a crime in this country. | |||
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" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this Innocent as in not broken any laws. Neither did anyone who signed up to the site. They are innocent parties too. Some may be adulterers,but that isn't a crime in this country. " But it is in others! And whilst not a serious crime in this country, they have breached their marriage contract. I'm sure if a builder came to your house and built it with sub-standard materials outside of the agreed contract and then fucked off only for you to find out later, you would not be saying they were innocent. You would be hounding them down through the courts for every penny, and you would certainly not be saying well if you know about it don't tell me. This is what I don't get, in any other case a breach of contract between 2 parties is look down upon. Yet for the oldest contract of all time, there seems to be a section of people who think it is an exception to all other normal rules. Even sporting cheats (which are effectively people playing school games) get more grief on a Saturday for pretending to fall over a ball, yet cheating on the person you are supposed to love the most, well it's ok. If you can excuse one cheat, then surely you have to excuse them all. I'm not saying they should be punished beyond their spouse knowing and deciding for themselves and I have no wish for countries where it is against the law for them to be harmed, or for the people to harm themselves. But I really don't get why in this one scenario, cheating is regarded by some along the same lines as cheating at monopoly. I certainly don't tell my kids to cheat so long as they don't get found out and that is in really small things. | |||
"By exposing the "cheaters" the hackers are only heaping pain and suffering on the AM member's families. To applaud this criminal act because it punishes the "cheaters" requires extreme myopia or a particular type of sadist. For example, one who thinks a child abuser should be punished by beating him using the child that he abused as a club. " So given the option you think that most wives and husbands would choose not to know??? I'm assuming you are the same, so please come and sign a contract with me, I promise to deliver you bricks of gold, for a knock down sum. I'm sure you will not want to know from others if I have just painted them yellow. | |||
" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this Innocent as in not broken any laws. Neither did anyone who signed up to the site. They are innocent parties too. Some may be adulterers,but that isn't a crime in this country. But it is in others! And whilst not a serious crime in this country, they have breached their marriage contract. I'm sure if a builder came to your house and built it with sub-standard materials outside of the agreed contract and then fucked off only for you to find out later, you would not be saying they were innocent. You would be hounding them down through the courts for every penny, and you would certainly not be saying well if you know about it don't tell me. This is what I don't get, in any other case a breach of contract between 2 parties is look down upon. Yet for the oldest contract of all time, there seems to be a section of people who think it is an exception to all other normal rules. Even sporting cheats (which are effectively people playing school games) get more grief on a Saturday for pretending to fall over a ball, yet cheating on the person you are supposed to love the most, well it's ok. If you can excuse one cheat, then surely you have to excuse them all. I'm not saying they should be punished beyond their spouse knowing and deciding for themselves and I have no wish for countries where it is against the law for them to be harmed, or for the people to harm themselves. But I really don't get why in this one scenario, cheating is regarded by some along the same lines as cheating at monopoly. I certainly don't tell my kids to cheat so long as they don't get found out and that is in really small things." People "cheat" for many different reasons with a plethora of different mitigations so your "excuse one then excuse them all" is a ridiculous statement. Statistically the majority of married people "cheat". Statistical a majority of families affected by "cheating" work it out in the quiet of their own home and continue. So, Perhaps it is time to listen to the majority and consider seriously if failing to follow the outmoded and unnatural requirement for monogamy should continue to be treated as the ultimate betrayal. Perhaps then the knee jerk reaction that calls for their punishment will be mitigated with some humanity. | |||
" People "cheat" for many different reasons with a plethora of different mitigations " Of course no one doubts this. "so your "excuse one then excuse them all" is a ridiculous statement. " The point being there is far less harmful cheating that is more severely punished. " Statistically the majority of married people "cheat". Statistical a majority of families affected by "cheating" work it out in the quiet of their own home and continue. " Sorry but that's not true. 46% ish depending on what report you read of marriages end in divorce. But it's not all because of cheating. Studies in long term monogamous relationships varies from study to study but some have it as low as 6% others as high as 25%. "So, Perhaps it is time to listen to the majority and consider seriously if failing to follow the outmoded and unnatural requirement for monogamy should continue to be treated as the ultimate betrayal. " Nice use of dramatic language, who called it the ultimate betrayal, I compared it to any other breach of contract. So maybe you should stop being so extreme. "Perhaps then the knee jerk reaction that calls for their punishment will be mitigated with some humanity. " As I already said there should be no punishment beyond their partners having the ability to know and decide for themselves. Why should they not know? | |||
"re: the suicides... I think the interesting point may well be if we find out these people were innocent users potentially caught up in this.... or whether these were users who thought that killing themselves was an "easier" way out than telling their partners... I have sympathy for the families involved... but i will hold my judgements on those users until we know the circumstances" What additional information would anyone need in order to make a jusgement ?. The hackers should be relentlessly pursued and punished . Will then then regret trying to ruin other people's lives or are these hackers just people who could not care less about anyone else but themselves ?. The loss of life in these circumstances is tragic. | |||
"Perhaps it is time to listen to the majority and consider seriously if failing to follow the outmoded and unnatural requirement for monogamy should continue to be treated as the ultimate betrayal. Perhaps then the knee jerk reaction that calls for their punishment will be mitigated with some humanity. " If you have a monogamous relationship and cheat, that's your own fault for not negotiating with your partner what you want from that relationship. Monogamy might be outdated and, IMO, impractical, but if that is what your relationship is built on then yes it is a betrayal. | |||
" People "cheat" for many different reasons with a plethora of different mitigations Of course no one doubts this. so your "excuse one then excuse them all" is a ridiculous statement. The point being there is far less harmful cheating that is more severely punished. Statistically the majority of married people "cheat". Statistical a majority of families affected by "cheating" work it out in the quiet of their own home and continue. Sorry but that's not true. 46% ish depending on what report you read of marriages end in divorce. But it's not all because of cheating. Studies in long term monogamous relationships varies from study to study but some have it as low as 6% others as high as 25%. So, Perhaps it is time to listen to the majority and consider seriously if failing to follow the outmoded and unnatural requirement for monogamy should continue to be treated as the ultimate betrayal. Nice use of dramatic language, who called it the ultimate betrayal, I compared it to any other breach of contract. So maybe you should stop being so extreme. Perhaps then the knee jerk reaction that calls for their punishment will be mitigated with some humanity. As I already said there should be no punishment beyond their partners having the ability to know and decide for themselves. Why should they not know? " Everyone's marriage is unique and only those 2 people involved are privy to that. You cannot apply your logic / ideals to anyone else's relationship. Contrary to popular belief not everyone wants to know they are being cheated on (of course there are those that will) & have to deal with the consequence that knowledge brings. | |||
"re: the suicides... I think the interesting point may well be if we find out these people were innocent users potentially caught up in this.... or whether these were users who thought that killing themselves was an "easier" way out than telling their partners... I have sympathy for the families involved... but i will hold my judgements on those users until we know the circumstances What additional information would anyone need in order to make a jusgement ?. The hackers should be relentlessly pursued and punished . Will then then regret trying to ruin other people's lives or are these hackers just people who could not care less about anyone else but themselves ?. The loss of life in these circumstances is tragic. "I agree loss of life is tragic. There is no need for it at all in these circumstances. Time and communication are what's required. If anyone was feeling this way I would hope they speak to someone, anyone. | |||
" Everyone's marriage is unique and only those 2 people involved are privy to that. You cannot apply your logic / ideals to anyone else's relationship. Contrary to popular belief not everyone wants to know they are being cheated on (of course there are those that will) & have to deal with the consequence that knowledge brings. " | |||
"Everyone's marriage is unique and only those 2 people involved are privy to that. You cannot apply your logic / ideals to anyone else's relationship. Contrary to popular belief not everyone wants to know they are being cheated on (of course there are those that will) & have to deal with the consequence that knowledge brings. " I have no issue with that. Some will not want to know fine. That's their choice. That's what it all comes down to choices. But others will choose to know. I'd want to know so why can I not? | |||
"Was discussing this with a group of friends in the pub last night..... Anyone else find the whole thing side-splittingly hilarious? Kept us laughing for ages! As long as it doesn't happen on here!
Having got everybody thinking......exactly the point. Perhaps not funny unless pissed, as we were. It probably already has happened to many other sites.......?"Nice attempt at back pedalling there fella! Not quite the responses you were expecting? | |||
Why On Earth Would loads of people's lives being ruined be laughing material after a drink ?
Yeah lots of people have been foolish having affairs or trying to its devastating for families ,careers etc . Get a life laugh at something that's really funny let's all hope fabs secure or were all fucked will you laugh then?? | |||
"This whole thing is not funny op my goodness you must hang about with a right gang of fucktards Why On Earth Would loads of people's lives being ruined be laughing material after a drink ?
Yeah lots of people have been foolish having affairs or trying to its devastating for families ,careers etc . Get a life laugh at something that's really funny let's all hope fabs secure or were all fucked will you laugh then??"If we are all fucked, that will make some people who can't get a meet very happy indeed. | |||
"This whole thing is not funny op my goodness you must hang about with a right gang of fucktards Why On Earth Would loads of people's lives being ruined be laughing material after a drink ?
Yeah lots of people have been foolish having affairs or trying to its devastating for families ,careers etc . Get a life laugh at something that's really funny let's all hope fabs secure or were all fucked will you laugh then??
If we are all fucked, that will make some people who can't get a meet very happy indeed.
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"I think the point is more that someone hacked a website. For me it doesn't matter what type of site it is, they are they playing God with peoples information." This
My info is (still) on there. I'm lucky I suppose that I am single. BUT my credit card info is on there so it's entirely possible I could get all sorts of unwanted hassle.
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" I don't think Fabio that it's our place to make any judgment on these people, we will never know the circumstances. I also don't think the suicides should be use as some have in this thread to prove and drill home a point as you said... we don't know the circumstance like I said... at this point my sympathies go to the families... they are the innocent in all of this Innocent as in not broken any laws. Neither did anyone who signed up to the site. They are innocent parties too. Some may be adulterers,but that isn't a crime in this country. But it is in others! And whilst not a serious crime in this country, they have breached their marriage contract. I'm sure if a builder came to your house and built it with sub-standard materials outside of the agreed contract and then fucked off only for you to find out later, you would not be saying they were innocent. You would be hounding them down through the courts for every penny, and you would certainly not be saying well if you know about it don't tell me. This is what I don't get, in any other case a breach of contract between 2 parties is look down upon. Yet for the oldest contract of all time, there seems to be a section of people who think it is an exception to all other normal rules. Even sporting cheats (which are effectively people playing school games) get more grief on a Saturday for pretending to fall over a ball, yet cheating on the person you are supposed to love the most, well it's ok. If you can excuse one cheat, then surely you have to excuse them all. I'm not saying they should be punished beyond their spouse knowing and deciding for themselves and I have no wish for countries where it is against the law for them to be harmed, or for the people to harm themselves. But I really don't get why in this one scenario, cheating is regarded by some along the same lines as cheating at monopoly. I certainly don't tell my kids to cheat so long as they don't get found out and that is in really small things." You have broken your marriage contract too,unless you had it written in that you allow each other to have sex with other people. You are one consenting partner away from cheating in theory. But this isn't about the people using the site,it's about breach of security and personal information not being stolen and put in public domain. It may be another website where your personal details are kept. They may not out you as cheats but they could have access to something you don't want publicly known. They could decide that swingers are cheaters and hack swinging sites. The media is always trying to get something on swinging in the papers. | |||
"I don't know the hackers original motives.. following the news from Canada I hope their consciences are clear. I do know two wrongs never make a right. "But funnily enough two negatives can make a positive. | |||
"I don't know the hackers original motives.. following the news from Canada I hope their consciences are clear. I do know two wrongs never make a right.
But funnily enough two negatives can make a positive.
"In mathematics,we are talking about people's lives. Let's hope there isn't a crusade against sexually liberated people in the name of doing the right thing. It wouldn't matter much to me as I don't hide my life from the people who matter to me and my employer wouldn't give a monkeys. It may impact on future employment though. Fingers crossed eh | |||
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"That never worked out the way you wanted OP also someone touched on marriage contracts ....... Very interesting What are people's view on that or did no one read them or married in a register office " When people say their marriage vows and sign "the contract" they are usually very sincere. Life happens. Marriages fail. People fall out of love. Sex lives stall. None of it means you deserve your private details banded about the net or news for people's sick enjoyment. These are people's lives being messed with. And for a few that's too much to bear. | |||
"That never worked out the way you wanted OP also someone touched on marriage contracts ....... Very interesting What are people's view on that or did no one read them or married in a register office When people say their marriage vows and sign "the contract" they are usually very sincere. Life happens. Marriages fail. People fall out of love. Sex lives stall. None of it means you deserve your private details banded about the net or news for people's sick enjoyment. These are people's lives being messed with. And for a few that's too much to bear. " No I meant that if that's the case in your contract is it legal to swing or even ethical??? | |||
