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Here's their statment.....
“Avid Life Media has failed to take down Ashley Madison and Established Men,” Impact Team wrote in a statement accompanying the online dump Tuesday. “We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data…. Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world’s biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.” | |||
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"Is it really that bad its been released? " I'm not sure it's that bad eitgert. when the BNP member list was hacked people lost their jobs so to sone tge impact was huge while for tge vast majority there was no impact, but that was a much smaller set of data and far easier to interrogate. The sheer volume of data suggests to me identifying people will be difficult. And if you're on there and your partner is intent on finding the data and then searching for you the reality is that they must already have some serious concerns | |||
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"Storm in a tea cup. Anyone going to use a website like that (and this to some degree) are not going to use their main email address when it is do easy to get one created for the purpose." They have had to pay for membership by credit card. Their real identity will be there. It is not "free" like Fab. | |||
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"Ashley Maddison, whilst not to everyone's taste, was populated by concenting adults doing nothing illegal. The hackers on the other hand criminally broke into the host site and stole personal data. They have now released huge amounts of personal data, no doubt after failing to blackmail the AM owners. This data is about real human beings. It will inevitably lead to relationship issues and family breakdowns. Innocent men, women and children will be directly injured by this. There will however be many on here and in the outside world who will, unknowing of the personal circumstances of those on the AM site, think it serves the outed AM members right. Terms like "bloody cheaters", "untrustworthy scum" and "lying bastards" will abound. We have all seen the Fab forums on cheaters. Private detective companies will clammer to grab the data seeing it as a chance to grab an easy dollar. Computer savy "Friends" will scan the records looking for people they know and take sadistic pleasure in telling the "injured" spouse. In the end public opinion will still not care because these men (and it is predominately men involved) are the lowest of the low and they deserve whatever comes to them because they are "fucking cheaters". We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. " Bloody well said! How quick to judge people are when they know nothing of peoples circumstances.  | |||
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"Storm in a tea cup. Anyone going to use a website like that (and this to some degree) are not going to use their main email address when it is do easy to get one created for the purpose. They have had to pay for membership by credit card. Their real identity will be there. It is not "free" like Fab. " Doubt it. I run a website that takes money for services and once you get past taking a couple of payments a day it becomes hard to manage internally. I think they would used world pay, PayPal or something similar and therefore address details would not be on the site server. | |||
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"Storm in a tea cup. Anyone going to use a website like that (and this to some degree) are not going to use their main email address when it is do easy to get one created for the purpose. They have had to pay for membership by credit card. Their real identity will be there. It is not "free" like Fab. Doubt it. I run a website that takes money for services and once you get past taking a couple of payments a day it becomes hard to manage internally. I think they would used world pay, PayPal or something similar and therefore address details would not be on the site server. " Reports say credit card details are on there. I have no personal knowledge so cannot confirm. | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. " And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? | |||
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"Ashley Maddison, whilst not to everyone's taste, was populated by concenting adults doing nothing illegal. The hackers on the other hand criminally broke into the host site and stole personal data. They have now released huge amounts of personal data, no doubt after failing to blackmail the AM owners. This data is about real human beings. It will inevitably lead to relationship issues and family breakdowns. Innocent men, women and children will be directly injured by this. There will however be many on here and in the outside world who will, unknowing of the personal circumstances of those on the AM site, think it serves the outed AM members right. Terms like "bloody cheaters", "untrustworthy scum" and "lying bastards" will abound. We have all seen the Fab forums on cheaters. Private detective companies will clammer to grab the data seeing it as a chance to grab an easy dollar. Computer savy "Friends" will scan the records looking for people they know and take sadistic pleasure in telling the "injured" spouse. In the end public opinion will still not care because these men (and it is predominately men involved) are the lowest of the low and they deserve whatever comes to them because they are "fucking cheaters". We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. " Great post! | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones?" You are in the minority waspy.  Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones?" and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat | |||
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"90-95% men. "But like fab then LoL | |||
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"90-95% men. "That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone. "I've got a secret. You don't have to pretend to live monogamously. You can have multiple partners and not lie to them - as I said. I have several partners, I'm openly non-monogamous. Everyone knows that I'm not monogamous and that I have several partners. If YOU are lying, that's entirely on you. You could choose not to lie. | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"
It's just the excuse that some cheaters use. "It was genetics. Not my fault." | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"It's not a theory it's the results of self reporting surveys! | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"I'd also agree with that. I've never cheated. I'm not built that way. I may not necessarily wish for a monogamous relationship but nor would I cheat. I think there are many who'd like a relationship(s) like Waspy has but I'm not sure there are quite so many who would be able to handle that. | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"I don't believe in the 'hard wired to cheat' argument either. | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
"You look like a woman to me.... Is my beard okay this morning ? | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
"I knew the number would be high, just not that high. Sites like that have loads of fake female profiles to entice men to spend money. Either humans behind the profiles or mail bots. | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
I knew the number would be high, just not that high. Sites like that have loads of fake female profiles to entice men to spend money. Either humans behind the profiles or mail bots. "I think the hacker was a disgruntled punter who ended up contacting himself and having shit sex...... | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
You look like a woman to me....
Is my beard okay this morning ?"I use the gillette mach 4,you should try that. .....oooppps | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
I knew the number would be high, just not that high. Sites like that have loads of fake female profiles to entice men to spend money. Either humans behind the profiles or mail bots.
I think the hacker was a disgruntled punter who ended up contacting himself and having shit sex...... "
There was some chat on the radio this morning about whoever it was saying they should all ask forgiveness and it made me think it was some religious nut! | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
You look like a woman to me....
Is my beard okay this morning ?
I use the gillette mach 4,you should try that. .....oooppps "Sussed ! | |||
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"its all fun and games till the suicides start "Thank God you came in time Ricky. I was feeling a tad down. | |||
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"90-95% men.
That was my first thought and most of the women fake profiles
You look like a woman to me....
Is my beard okay this morning ?
I use the gillette mach 4,you should try that. .....oooppps
Sussed !"Bollocks!.....oooppps done it again | |||
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"its all fun and games till the suicides start
Thank God you came in time Ricky. I was feeling a tad down. " | |||
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"Meh, people who find out their partner is a cheat will either - Ditch their sorry arses. - Talk, resolve any possible issues and possibly improve their relationship. - Fight, stay together, but live an unhappy life. - Bury their heads in the sand and carry on. Either way, it'll allow the partners of those "outed" to make an informed decision about the future of their own love and happiness, which can only be a good thing in my book. If you're going to do something deceitful, expect consequences." Quite agree. Only the arrogant believe they can get away with it with no potential consequences. | |||
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"Meh, people who find out their partner is a cheat will either - Ditch their sorry arses. - Talk, resolve any possible issues and possibly improve their relationship. - Fight, stay together, but live an unhappy life. - Bury their heads in the sand and carry on. Either way, it'll allow the partners of those "outed" to make an informed decision about the future of their own love and happiness, which can only be a good thing in my book. If you're going to do something deceitful, expect consequences." As much as I find my self on the don't bash all cheaters side of the fence I agree with that | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone. "Granted monogamy isn't an effective measure of love but when partners react to infidelity they , most of the time, can't label the emotion they are feeling. It suits some to negate their partners reaction by placing labels on it that put their own behaviour in a more favourable light e.g you're irrational, monogamy isn't natural, I still love you. It was only sex. Partners react for many reasons :- realising they were lied to, breaking of trust, fear, insecurities or just being plain outraged that they were keeping the fires lit and tending the cattle while their partner said fuck to responsibility and had fun - and that happens in polyamorous arrangements too. It's not always as simple as someone feeling unloved. That's the only word they have to describe/explain. | |||
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"so is anyone here worried now???? just interested.... I wonder now if there are going to be lots of "conversations" going on of people fessing up before they get outed... people are going to be able to deny alais's .... but not names and address's linked to credit cards.... anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list...." What made you want to download it? | |||
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" anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list...." Why? Why would you care who's on it? What other people do is their business. If everyone minded their own this wouldn't be an issue really. If you choose to cheat then yes, you have to deal with the consequences of getting caught but it's not my place to out a cheater. Informed consent works for me. Then I can choose whether I play with someone who is cheating. | |||
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" anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list.... Why? Why would you care who's on it? What other people do is their business. If everyone minded their own this wouldn't be an issue really. If you choose to cheat then yes, you have to deal with the consequences of getting caught but it's not my place to out a cheater. Informed consent works for me. Then I can choose whether I play with someone who is cheating. " As you said... informed consent. Perhaps he doesn't want to play with cheats? | |||
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"so is anyone here worried now???? just interested.... I wonder now if there are going to be lots of "conversations" going on of people fessing up before they get outed... people are going to be able to deny alais's .... but not names and address's linked to credit cards.... anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list...." How ? | |||
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" anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list.... Why? Why would you care who's on it? What other people do is their business. If everyone minded their own this wouldn't be an issue really. If you choose to cheat then yes, you have to deal with the consequences of getting caught but it's not my place to out a cheater. Informed consent works for me. Then I can choose whether I play with someone who is cheating. As you said... informed consent. Perhaps he doesn't want to play with cheats?" I wouldn't choose to either but nor would I rely on some random list from the internet. It's a bit like verifications... I wouldn't rely on them either.  | |||
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" It's not always as simple as someone feeling unloved. That's the only word they have to describe/explain. " This
In many cases, things are far more complex and sometimes not clear to either, "cheater" and "cheatee" (I don't like the terminology for that reason!) | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone. "Monogamy is not a measure of love and affection in the slightest, but adhering to the promises made to that person they 'love' is. We live in a free country, human brings have no constraints unless they enter into them voluntarily. No-one forces anyone to enter into a monogamous relationship if it's not for them. Suddenly deciding once the contract has been signed that one party wishes to retain all the benefits of being in a relationship but have no intention of keeping up the commitments they made of their own volition is selfish in the extreme. Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. | |||
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" anyway.... i downloaded it..... interesting list.... Why? Why would you care who's on it? What other people do is their business. If everyone minded their own this wouldn't be an issue really. If you choose to cheat then yes, you have to deal with the consequences of getting caught but it's not my place to out a cheater. Informed consent works for me. Then I can choose whether I play with someone who is cheating. As you said... informed consent. Perhaps he doesn't want to play with cheats?" So everyone he meets he's going to cross reference with the international Ashley Madison database to check whether the name he's been given is on there AND he can confirm that it's the same person out of 33 million accounts on there (all of which are totally genuine, just like the details on here...) Informed Consent? Erm, no. Don't think so. | |||
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"Before this thread gets way to embedded in 'cheating' and 'my dick does it on it's own' posts. Could everyone bear in mind the difference between natural/legal/moral etc. Agreed definitions help. " in which case someone did bring up an interesting point which was glossed over at the beginning.... is there any difference between the Ashley madison stuff being leaked... and when the BNP list with all their members names and address's on it was leaked? because I make no apologies for going thru that BNP list at the time to see if there were people on that list that I knew..... and people werent jumping to their defence as much as they are with this? are people acting this way because it is "closer to home" so to speak? | |||
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"Before this thread gets way to embedded in 'cheating' and 'my dick does it on it's own' posts. Could everyone bear in mind the difference between natural/legal/moral etc. Agreed definitions help. in which case someone did bring up an interesting point which was glossed over at the beginning.... is there any difference between the Ashley madison stuff being leaked... and when the BNP list with all their members names and address's on it was leaked? because I make no apologies for going thru that BNP list at the time to see if there were people on that list that I knew..... and people werent jumping to their defence as much as they are with this? are people acting this way because it is "closer to home" so to speak?" | |||
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"Before this thread gets way to embedded in 'cheating' and 'my dick does it on it's own' posts. Could everyone bear in mind the difference between natural/legal/moral etc. Agreed definitions help. in which case someone did bring up an interesting point which was glossed over at the beginning.... is there any difference between the Ashley madison stuff being leaked... and when the BNP list with all their members names and address's on it was leaked? because I make no apologies for going thru that BNP list at the time to see if there were people on that list that I knew..... and people werent jumping to their defence as much as they are with this? are people acting this way because it is "closer to home" so to speak?" I can only speak for myself but I wouldn't have gone through that list either. Neither of them are 'close to home' for me. I know the people who matter in my life well enough to know that none of them would be on a BNP list and if they're on some website looking for nsa outwith their marriage that's their choice and not my business. | |||
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"I know the people who matter in my life well enough to know that none of them would be on a BNP list and if they're on some website looking for nsa outwith their marriage that's their choice and not my business." | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"Our closest relatives in the animal kingdom have nsa multiple sexual partners. They do not "cheat" as they are not constrained into an unnatural situation by their society. No monogamy no cheating. Q.E.D. | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone.
Monogamy is not a measure of love and affection in the slightest, but adhering to the promises made to that person they 'love' is.
We live in a free country, human brings have no constraints unless they enter into them voluntarily. No-one forces anyone to enter into a monogamous relationship if it's not for them. Suddenly deciding once the contract has been signed that one party wishes to retain all the benefits of being in a relationship but have no intention of keeping up the commitments they made of their own volition is selfish in the extreme.
Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity."Why is it necessary to promise one will not have sex with anyone else? That is my point. What possible benefit does it bring to a relationship? Most people do not comply. I do not believe we are free to make those decisions because we are all indoctrinated to value them from the first minute we can understand. The same way the children of racists follow racism. I am however saddened to read that you do not care about all the innocent men, women and children who will be hurt by this. Isn't there enough relationship breakdown in this world without it being stimulated by such revalations? | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone.
Monogamy is not a measure of love and affection in the slightest, but adhering to the promises made to that person they 'love' is.
We live in a free country, human brings have no constraints unless they enter into them voluntarily. No-one forces anyone to enter into a monogamous relationship if it's not for them. Suddenly deciding once the contract has been signed that one party wishes to retain all the benefits of being in a relationship but have no intention of keeping up the commitments they made of their own volition is selfish in the extreme.
Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity.
Why is it necessary to promise one will not have sex with anyone else? That is my point. What possible benefit does it bring to a relationship? Most people do not comply.
I do not believe we are free to make those decisions because we are all indoctrinated to value them from the first minute we can understand. The same way the children of racists follow racism.
I am however saddened to read that you do not care about all the innocent men, women and children who will be hurt by this. Isn't there enough relationship breakdown in this world without it being stimulated by such revalations? "It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! | |||
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"Before this thread gets way to embedded in 'cheating' and 'my dick does it on it's own' posts. Could everyone bear in mind the difference between natural/legal/moral etc. Agreed definitions help. in which case someone did bring up an interesting point which was glossed over at the beginning.... is there any difference between the Ashley madison stuff being leaked... and when the BNP list with all their members names and address's on it was leaked? because I make no apologies for going thru that BNP list at the time to see if there were people on that list that I knew..... and people werent jumping to their defence as much as they are with this? are people acting this way because it is "closer to home" so to speak?" Interesting point Fabio. Why did you look for those you knew on the BNP list? Did you feel threatened by the BNP or did you want to "out" those in your neighbourhood for some reason? If you suspected your woman was cheating would you go through the AM list? | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. " Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things." Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. " Uhhhhhhhhm nope. Marriage is a contract which binds two people in law. Divorce is granted on the grounds of infidelity. | |||
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"From the bit I've read ... The list was released into the dark web. My thoughts are if someone has suspicions their other half is cheating there will have been easier ways to find out or catch them out than this. I can't find my way around Windows 8 never mind find this database. If the majority of folk are as techno savvy as the average person I'm guessing they'll struggle to find it. " Believe me - It is not that difficult! | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Uhhhhhhhhm nope. Marriage is a contract which binds two people in law. Divorce is granted on the grounds of infidelity." Not necessarily | |||
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"From the bit I've read ... The list was released into the dark web. My thoughts are if someone has suspicions their other half is cheating there will have been easier ways to find out or catch them out than this. I can't find my way around Windows 8 never mind find this database. If the majority of folk are as techno savvy as the average person I'm guessing they'll struggle to find it. Believe me - It is not that difficult! " I'm sure, I'm a techno numpty.. 
To go looking for the database you'dhave to have your suspicions before though.?
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Uhhhhhhhhm nope. Marriage is a contract which binds two people in law. Divorce is granted on the grounds of infidelity." Don't get married then. Nobody is forcing anybody to do so at gunpoint. | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. " Sorry but society does indoctrinate human beings and they follow that in their relationships. That is why different societies around the world relate differently to each other. Many of the things you believe are your concious decisions are based on what you have been taught. | |||
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"I am however saddened to read that you do not care about all the innocent men, women and children who will be hurt by this. Isn't there enough relationship breakdown in this world without it being stimulated by such revalations? " Where did they say that? | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Sorry but society does indoctrinate human beings and they follow that in their relationships. That is why different societies around the world relate differently to each other. Many of the things you believe are your concious decisions are based on what you have been taught. " Sooo... when you realise that your current lifestyle isn't working out for you, change your lifestyle? I mean, I know it sounds like rocket science, but even I managed it... | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Sorry but society does indoctrinate human beings and they follow that in their relationships. That is why different societies around the world relate differently to each other. Many of the things you believe are your concious decisions are based on what you have been taught. Sooo... when you realise that your current lifestyle isn't working out for you, change your lifestyle? I mean, I know it sounds like rocket science, but even I managed it..." | |||
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"I am however saddened to read that you do not care about all the innocent men, women and children who will be hurt by this. Isn't there enough relationship breakdown in this world without it being stimulated by such revalations?" Also, nobody is to blame but the people deceiving their loved ones. If a police officer came to my door and told me that Bradley had been arrested for murder, I wouldn't blame the police officer for the hurt and anger I'd feel... | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat
It's not a theory it's the results of self reporting surveys! "Not on topic but I was quite happy being monogamous. No thoughts of wanting anyone else in 27 years. Maybe I'm wired wrong. | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Uhhhhhhhhm nope. Marriage is a contract which binds two people in law. Divorce is granted on the grounds of infidelity." Indeed. People know this when they get married. Most people aren't forced to get married, they agree to it. Hence they make the decision for themselves. | |||
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"There are points being confused. I agree that monogamy is more a social contstruct than a natural relationship for humans. People are arguing against the breaking of a contract. The lying. The refusal to face up by those that entered into something they then decide they've had enough of. Absolutely true. My proposal is stop society imposing and valuing an unnatural, valueless, restrictive and destructive requirement on partners. One which the majority of human beings break. Get it out of the Contract and let us have relationships based on better things. Society doesn't decide on how people have relationships. People decide for themselves. People should take responsibility for their own lives and stop whining and blaming "society" on their own failings. Sorry but society does indoctrinate human beings and they follow that in their relationships. That is why different societies around the world relate differently to each other. Many of the things you believe are your concious decisions are based on what you have been taught. Sooo... when you realise that your current lifestyle isn't working out for you, change your lifestyle? I mean, I know it sounds like rocket science, but even I managed it..." | |||
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"The motives of these people are what exactly? " from a legal standpoint, they claim that AVM (the owners of Ashley Madison) were charging people for complete profile deletes when this was not actually happening..... and I suppose now we will find out if that is actually true.... and i suspect they wouldn't have released this data with all the credit card details if that wasn't true...... because I bet now there are going to be some law suits coming AVM's way | |||
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"The motives of these people are what exactly? from a legal standpoint, they claim that AVM (the owners of Ashley Madison) were charging people for complete profile deletes when this was not actually happening..... and I suppose now we will find out if that is actually true.... and i suspect they wouldn't have released this data with all the credit card details if that wasn't true...... because I bet now there are going to be some law suits coming AVM's way" So,to punish AM for not paying up they out the clients? It's not about money it's about bad practice on the part of AM? I can't work out if they are wronged spouses,greedy extortionists or crusaders on behalf of the clients-who they are trying to expose. | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site!" Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat
It's not a theory it's the results of self reporting surveys!
Not on topic but I was quite happy being monogamous. No thoughts of wanting anyone else in 27 years. Maybe I'm wired wrong."I didn't say it was right or wrong, or that being in the smaller group woud make you unhappy. I'm just pointing out that the number of people that stick to monogamy is less than the number that self-report "being unfaithful" at some point during their marriage. | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... " I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place. | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat
It's not a theory it's the results of self reporting surveys!
Not on topic but I was quite happy being monogamous. No thoughts of wanting anyone else in 27 years. Maybe I'm wired wrong.
I didn't say it was right or wrong, or that being in the smaller group woud make you unhappy.
I'm just pointing out that the number of people that stick to monogamy is less than the number that self-report "being unfaithful" at some point during their marriage. "Statistics can never be relied upon to give a true figure. They only represent the people that take part. They will never give a true result as they will never get 100% honest participation. | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place." ^^ this I agree with | |||
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" I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place." people just can't "blame" the hackers.... IF it is true that ALM (i called them AVM by mistake earlier on) have been charging money for complete deletes when they haven't been... some of this is going to be on them. at the end of the day if peoples names end up on the lists they haven't ended up there "by accident" (i bet some will claim credit cards were stolen/ or were again hacked) I wonder how many people will try and style it out and deny.... or will come clean | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? and plenty of people are happy being monogamous. I hate the theory that we are all wired to cheat"I don't think we are all wired up to cheat. I think that is an excuse and absolving yourself of responsibility and a cop out. I know I am not. I am on a swingers site, but certainly not wired up .... | |||
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" Statistics can never be relied upon to give a true figure. " So because we can't measure things perfectly we shouldn't bother then? Do you think guessing produces better results? | |||
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" I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place. people just can't "blame" the hackers.... IF it is true that ALM (i called them AVM by mistake earlier on) have been charging money for complete deletes when they haven't been... some of this is going to be on them. at the end of the day if peoples names end up on the lists they haven't ended up there "by accident" (i bet some will claim credit cards were stolen/ or were again hacked) I wonder how many people will try and style it out and deny.... or will come clean " what can't you blame the hackers for? Its a massive invasion of privacy. if this wasn't a cheating site I bet a few fingers would change direction... I don't disagree that people join these things at their own risks and face the consequences. However what I do with my partners permission is our business not the rest of the worlds. | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place." Totally agree. I got cheated on in a 2 year relationship, dumped him, he tried to get back with me so i told his new girlfriend what he was up to and i got blamed for ruining their relationship. People live in denial because it's easier to to live with lies than it is to face the truth that hurts us. | |||
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" what can't you blame the hackers for? Its a massive invasion of privacy. if this wasn't a cheating site I bet a few fingers would change direction... " ahem... actually.... I did ask what different was between the leak of information on this site... and the leak of information from the BNP site was? and actually this one is being defended more vigorously than that ever was... so you are right... there is a change in direction, but not I think in the way you think it would go... | |||
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"We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. And plenty of us manage to have multiple partners without lying to people we care about. You were saying about stones? You are in the minority waspy. Sexual monagamy amongst humans is an unnatural imposed social construct.
There are far more important aspects to a relationship than that but indoctrination continues to insist it is treated as the measure of love, caring and morality.
Monagamy is not an effective measure of love and affection so why do we use it in that way? If we got rid of that constraint human beings could be free to act as they wish and the lying and deceit would evaporate instantly.
Ok, throw the stone. "We have to remember though that - like it or not - monogamy (or rather the female being faithful to the male) exists in most cultures for a reason. In order for a man to be expected to devote many years of finances, love and time into rearing a child - in most cases he needs to be fairly certain that the child in question is biologically his! It is only very recently, with the invention of both DNA testing and effective contraception (for avoidance of unwanted pregnancy and std's) that people, particularly women, have been given the opportunity to safely play with multiple partners - even during child-bearing years - whilst maintaining a key relationship with one partner if they wish. After thousands of years of conditioning to monogamy (at least for the female) it's hardly surprising that society in general has not embraced or accepted the concept of a loving relationship without sexual monogamy - or in the case of single swingers like myself - that having multiple partners in an open, friendly and above all save environment does not make you less human or 'nice'! Personally - and sadly - I think it will take a few generations before non-monogamy is just as acceptable to society as monogamy! Xx | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place. Totally agree. I got cheated on in a 2 year relationship, dumped him, he tried to get back with me so i told his new girlfriend what he was up to and i got blamed for ruining their relationship. People live in denial because it's easier to to live with lies than it is to face the truth that hurts us." What did you hope to gain from telling on him? Him to leave you alone,her to be thankful to you or revenge on him? | |||
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" what can't you blame the hackers for? Its a massive invasion of privacy. if this wasn't a cheating site I bet a few fingers would change direction... ahem... actually.... I did ask what different was between the leak of information on this site... and the leak of information from the BNP site was? and actually this one is being defended more vigorously than that ever was... so you are right... there is a change in direction, but not I think in the way you think it would go..." remember that at the other end of the spectrum.. in the last couple of weeks carphone warehouse had their mobile customers list leaked..... the us government had a lot of their employees names and details list.... what people will start being able to do at some point is they are going to be able to start "cross-referencing" these lists...... to comfirm who people are... | |||
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" what can't you blame the hackers for? Its a massive invasion of privacy. if this wasn't a cheating site I bet a few fingers would change direction... ahem... actually.... I did ask what different was between the leak of information on this site... and the leak of information from the BNP site was? and actually this one is being defended more vigorously than that ever was... so you are right... there is a change in direction, but not I think in the way you think it would go..." Don't get me wrong not disagreeing with you just your post was relevant to the topic so I quoted it. it annoys me that the privacy invasion is overlooked.But I find myself not giving a shit about the bnp leak. maybe hypocritical but hey I'm not perfect For the record I find your posts the most interesting and balanced in most debates | |||
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"Not sure if any of the posts above touched upon this, the hack involved pictures, addresses etc being leaked. As someone mentioned earlier most people will have used 2nd email addresses to create their fab account with fake names, but what concerns us is the verification pictures we all send in. These are of us holding a paper with fabswingers, date, our fab ID and faces showing. Have the admins on fab safe guarded these pictures? Are they deleted for good after verification is complete? Any thoughts on this? We wouldn't want our "verification" being on the public domain! (Rest are faceless pictures anyway) " Good point guys! When I joined fab the second time after being 'outed' the first time I decided not to be photo verified for that reason. I also took the precaution of having all my face pics in a private file - and the ones I send to people I'm interested are of me fully dressed as an extra precaution! Once bitten - twice shy! X | |||
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"Not sure if any of the posts above touched upon this, the hack involved pictures, addresses etc being leaked. As someone mentioned earlier most people will have used 2nd email addresses to create their fab account with fake names, but what concerns us is the verification pictures we all send in. These are of us holding a paper with fabswingers, date, our fab ID and faces showing. Have the admins on fab safe guarded these pictures? Are they deleted for good after verification is complete? Any thoughts on this? We wouldn't want our "verification" being on the public domain! (Rest are faceless pictures anyway) " | |||
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" Personally I couldn't care less about the AM users. I hope their partners do find out the truth and can subsequently seek a partner with integrity. It's not the hacker's fault that "innocent families" will be hurt by this. It's the person's fault for being on the site! Scary how people are focusing on the morality of cheating rather than the fact this is a data breach...what happens if the hacker decides fabswingers should be shut down and posts everyone's details (yes I know some people maybe anonymous but what about those consenting partners who make the mistake of using a personal email to sign up.) What too about the minority of who I'm sure there's a few, who are in a truly bad relationship and want to try and gain the courage to leave their partner by gaining confidence or such like. They may get abused if they are found out. Or the few who are doing it with their partners consent, nothing to lose in the relationship but could be embarrassing professionally or to the rest of the family. Or those who might of been set up, this is a hacker after all, who says he's not taken money to add people to the list, it's not like you can call AM and confirm names... I'm not saying anything about the morality of cheating. I don't care if people cheat or not. It's their business. My point was that people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Yes of course the hackers are wrong for releasing people's personal data. But saying it's the hackers fault that families will be split up is ridiculous. It's the 'fault' of the person that went on the website that they are in the situation in the first place. Totally agree. I got cheated on in a 2 year relationship, dumped him, he tried to get back with me so i told his new girlfriend what he was up to and i got blamed for ruining their relationship. People live in denial because it's easier to to live with lies than it is to face the truth that hurts us. What did you hope to gain from telling on him? Him to leave you alone,her to be thankful to you or revenge on him? " Him to leave me alone mainly, i felt pretty emotionally strong and confident i didn't want anything to do with him when i found out about her, but i know i'm stupid and also wanted to believe his lies and they'd been messing with my head. All he did was deny sending messages and said i'd hacked his account and sent them to myself, for months. Seen what he's really like now, denies everything despite the evidence and know how he messed with me. It's actually been a good lesson overall, dunno if i'll remember it though. | |||
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"Not sure if any of the posts above touched upon this, the hack involved pictures, addresses etc being leaked. As someone mentioned earlier most people will have used 2nd email addresses to create their fab account with fake names, but what concerns us is the verification pictures we all send in. These are of us holding a paper with fabswingers, date, our fab ID and faces showing. Have the admins on fab safe guarded these pictures? Are they deleted for good after verification is complete? Any thoughts on this? We wouldn't want our "verification" being on the public domain! (Rest are faceless pictures anyway) Good point guys! When I joined fab the second time after being 'outed' the first time I decided not to be photo verified for that reason. I also took the precaution of having all my face pics in a private file - and the ones I send to people I'm interested are of me fully dressed as an extra precaution! Once bitten - twice shy! X" Do we have anyone from the Admin team here to reassure us that those of us who are photo verified, that our facepix are safe? | |||
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"There was a thread when this first broke about photo verification pictures At the time admin removed a couple from people who had concerns,they lost their little green flag but they had the reassurance that the photo had been deleted,I guess if you're also worried then contact admin using the contact link at the bottom of the page and I'm sure they'll be able to help you "We don't want the little green flag to be deleted as it shows we have been photo-verified. We simply would want that particular photo removed from Fab servers. Don't see why flag should be removed if photo is deleted as we have met criteria. Will contact admin. Thanks for your reply Hun. | |||
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"The group that hacked the website have dumped their load, (couldn't resist), online. It's 10GB
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“Avid Life Media has failed to take down Ashley Madison and Established Men,” Impact Team wrote in a statement accompanying the online dump Tuesday. “We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data…. Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world’s biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.”"We'll done on say....they should target more and exposed all these fake sites weaving a massive Web of lies . | |||
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"A lot of those on there are saying they had no idea they were and that they have been maliciously added If you didn't have a profile on a website that had all its data dumped on the internet would you go and look for yourself incase someone had made up a profile in your name and put you on there? " But if there's credit card details how can they deny it? It's definitely possible that someone could make fake profiles. People do. | |||
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"A lot of those on there are saying they had no idea they were and that they have been maliciously added If you didn't have a profile on a website that had all its data dumped on the internet would you go and look for yourself incase someone had made up a profile in your name and put you on there? But if there's credit card details how can they deny it? It's definitely possible that someone could make fake profiles. People do. "I've read more on this now. Some reports say that the AM website didn't require the email addresses to be verified. Profiles could be set up with the email address but there was no requirement for AM site to send an email and the user to click on a link in that email to verify it was their account. So anyone could maliciously set up a profile using someone else's email address. Means there is no proof the details the hackers have released is real. | |||
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"The motives of these people are what exactly? from a legal standpoint, they claim that AVM (the owners of Ashley Madison) were charging people for complete profile deletes when this was not actually happening..... and I suppose now we will find out if that is actually true.... and i suspect they wouldn't have released this data with all the credit card details if that wasn't true...... because I bet now there are going to be some law suits coming AVM's way" So, to prove some company committed false accounting they set off a nuclear bomb in the middle of a city? God protect us!! | |||
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"Ashley Maddison, whilst not to everyone's taste, was populated by concenting adults doing nothing illegal. The hackers on the other hand criminally broke into the host site and stole personal data. They have now released huge amounts of personal data, no doubt after failing to blackmail the AM owners. This data is about real human beings. It will inevitably lead to relationship issues and family breakdowns. Innocent men, women and children will be directly injured by this. There will however be many on here and in the outside world who will, unknowing of the personal circumstances of those on the AM site, think it serves the outed AM members right. Terms like "bloody cheaters", "untrustworthy scum" and "lying bastards" will abound. We have all seen the Fab forums on cheaters. Private detective companies will clammer to grab the data seeing it as a chance to grab an easy dollar. Computer savy "Friends" will scan the records looking for people they know and take sadistic pleasure in telling the "injured" spouse. In the end public opinion will still not care because these men (and it is predominately men involved) are the lowest of the low and they deserve whatever comes to them because they are "fucking cheaters". We should however perhaps reflect on the fact that such behaviour represents the majority of human beings, men and women. Are we not genetically programmed to seek multiple sexual partners? Now you may pick up your first stone. " | |||
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"I am however saddened to read that you do not care about all the innocent men, women and children who will be hurt by this. Isn't there enough relationship breakdown in this world without it being stimulated by such revalations? Also, nobody is to blame but the people deceiving their loved ones. If a police officer came to my door and told me that Bradley had been arrested for murder, I wouldn't blame the police officer for the hurt and anger I'd feel..." Many relationships pass through periods of infidelity without it being known to the other partner. These relationships subsequently thrive and prosper because the one seeking sex truly loves, respects** and cares for their spouse and has no feelings for the sex contact other than fleeting lust. By blowing this out into public thousands of otherwise happy relationships, often involving children, will be put under intense pressure. Worse still all their friends, relatives, work colleagues and parents will know so quiet reflective reconciliation and forgiveness will become impossible. I am surprised some cannot understand this as they seek the ultimate revenge against the "cheater" even if their whole family is damaged by it. Some even seem capable of truly sadistic self righteous shadenfreuder.  | |||
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"What will the view be next time if it's a list of vulnerable children, or patient data from an Aids clinic that's stolen and published - will there be laughs at the expense of those people? Or some moral grandstanding? The fact is it's theft, it's wrong and it has the potential to ruin lives, if not drive some to even more drastic actions. " | |||
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"That's why you never should give your real name and always send the payment via post, that way no one can find you out. What! Your real name isn't Shag Tonight
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"What will the view be next time if it's a list of vulnerable children, or patient data from an Aids clinic that's stolen and published - will there be laughs at the expense of those people? Or some moral grandstanding? The fact is it's theft, it's wrong and it has the potential to ruin lives, if not drive some to even more drastic actions. " tend to agree, its a criminal act.. | |||
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"That's why you never should give your real name and always send the payment via post, that way no one can find you out. What! Your real name isn't Shag Tonight
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"That's why you never should give your real name and always send the payment via post, that way no one can find you out. What! Your real name isn't Shag Tonight
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"On the news now they said they didn't encrypt their data, so they did wrong themselves the site." Top class trust worthy company.. | |||
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"The hackers broke the law, the married users broke a contract. You say potato, I say Meh! Law's are arbitrary and not voluntary. Contracts are voluntary agreements between two or more consenting parties of free will. Which is more morally right a law or a contract??? " For the married swingers who have agreed to swing and hold the Contract view. It does not say after " ..... forsaking all others, be faithful only to her, for as long as you both shall live?" ---- "Unless agreed otherwise by both parties" so you have still broken your contract. | |||
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"I've enjoyed your posts today makat you talk a lot of sense x" Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. | |||
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"The hackers broke the law, the married users broke a contract. You say potato, I say Meh! Law's are arbitrary and not voluntary. Contracts are voluntary agreements between two or more consenting parties of free will. Which is more morally right a law or a contract??? For the married swingers who have agreed to swing and hold the Contract view. It does not say after " ..... forsaking all others, be faithful only to her, for as long as you both shall live?" ---- "Unless agreed otherwise by both parties" so you have still broken your contract. " No it was a verbal amendment to the contract.
If all parties agree to change a contract, then they can do so.
Besides we are faithful to each other, neither of us have been disloyal, treacherous, or insincere.
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"Morals are someones idea of right and wrong and can differ from person to person. although some are shared by whole cultures such as not cheating. The law however is the law and is designed to keep people safe and not have their rights violated. (my interpretation) therefore it make be agaibst some peoples morals but that's there's and those people won't be doing it. An invasion of privacy such as this is against the laws we will all have to live by..." Fair enough, so laws have priority over morality. So there will be no issue with those countries where infidelity is against the law and the women and men get corporal or capital punishment for breaking the law. As the law takes priority above morality!!! | |||
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"Morals are someones idea of right and wrong and can differ from person to person. although some are shared by whole cultures such as not cheating. The law however is the law and is designed to keep people safe and not have their rights violated. (my interpretation) therefore it make be agaibst some peoples morals but that's there's and those people won't be doing it. An invasion of privacy such as this is against the laws we will all have to live by... Fair enough, so laws have priority over morality. So there will be no issue with those countries where infidelity is against the law and the women and men get corporal or capital punishment for breaking the law. As the law takes priority above morality!!!" Laws should be founded in morality but morality is dynamic. I'm hardly saying that just giving a different viewpoint! Don't be offended... | |||
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"The hackers broke the law, the married users broke a contract. You say potato, I say Meh! Law's are arbitrary and not voluntary. Contracts are voluntary agreements between two or more consenting parties of free will. Which is more morally right a law or a contract??? For the married swingers who have agreed to swing and hold the Contract view. It does not say after " ..... forsaking all others, be faithful only to her, for as long as you both shall live?" ---- "Unless agreed otherwise by both parties" so you have still broken your contract. No it was a verbal amendment to the contract.
If all parties agree to change a contract, then they can do so.
Besides we are faithful to each other, neither of us have been disloyal, treacherous, or insincere.
"And the "in the sight of God and this congregation bit?"
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"Morals are someones idea of right and wrong and can differ from person to person. although some are shared by whole cultures such as not cheating. The law however is the law and is designed to keep people safe and not have their rights violated. (my interpretation) therefore it make be agaibst some peoples morals but that's there's and those people won't be doing it. An invasion of privacy such as this is against the laws we will all have to live by... Fair enough, so laws have priority over morality. So there will be no issue with those countries where infidelity is against the law and the women and men get corporal or capital punishment for breaking the law. As the law takes priority above morality!!! Laws should be founded in morality but morality is dynamic. I'm hardly saying that just giving a different viewpoint! Don't be offended..." I'm not offended, far from it. But I thought I would point out the irony of those who say the hackers broke the law and should be punished, against those who have cheated (or wanted to cheat) as not being deserving of this exposure and some how should have some sympathy. Just because something is against the law, does not give it any more legitimacy than any other randomised rule that society decides to make up on the spare of the moment. Saying we are judgemental of cheaters but should respect the law, is only because that fits nicely into their particular world view. If you then point out that cheating is against the law too. Therefore in some of these countries the subscribers will have done something illegal and will be punished. Suddenly people will change their tune about how immoral it is to kill someone for cheating. Therefore becoming judgemental on other cultures because their morality clashes with the law. Right and wrong is not straight forward. A cheater may feel they are doing nothing wrong. But ask their partner and they may disagree. So yes the hackers did wrong, but only from a moralistic point of view, whether it is against the law or not is of little relevance. | |||
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" I'm not offended, far from it. If you then point out that cheating is against the law too. Therefore in some of these countries the subscribers will have done something illegal and will be punished. Suddenly people will change their tune about how immoral it is to kill someone for cheating. " Wow didn't even think of that, just looked and bbc says 1200 Saudi addresses where infidelity can get you sentenced to death. Oh the cruel irony people being stoned to death because a stoner* hacker decides to play judge and jury... *allegedly. | |||
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" But I thought I would point out the irony of those who say the hackers broke the law and should be punished, against those who have cheated (or wanted to cheat) as not being deserving of this exposure and some how should have some sympathy. Just because something is against the law, does not give it any more legitimacy than any other randomised rule that society decides to make up on the spare of the moment. Saying we are judgemental of cheaters but should respect the law, is only because that fits nicely into their particular world view. If you then point out that cheating is against the law too. Therefore in some of these countries the subscribers will have done something illegal and will be punished. Suddenly people will change their tune about how immoral it is to kill someone for cheating. Therefore becoming judgemental on other cultures because their morality clashes with the law. Right and wrong is not straight forward. A cheater may feel they are doing nothing wrong. But ask their partner and they may disagree. So yes the hackers did wrong, but only from a moralistic point of view, whether it is against the law or not is of little relevance. " I find I agree with most of what your saying there. I hadn't actually considered the legality of cheating I guess because that only applies if your married. However you lost me on the last point. cheating is illegal and in most peoples view immoral. Hacking and exposing peoples private information is also immoral and illegal. I find the moral argument interesting when used in certain contexts like this in the same way that you have held up that law isn't always right. Taking it back to it's most basic we all have had different experiences In life. These experiences are what shapes our beliefs, values and concepts of the world. Morals are the rules we think people should live by based on our values and beliefs. However swinging by most is considered immoral. Thats also where people back track for me. I don't think cheating is always as straight forward as some would like it to be. So there's often comments of 'bastards get what they deserve etc.' However have they considered those on there that aren't cheating are single and playing with permission? Do they deserve to have there activities broadcast and lives ruined? Also the cheaters themselves they should have to face the consequences of their actions yes. I just think that should be between them and their families not the whole world. | |||
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" ... However have they considered those on there that aren't cheating are single and playing with permission? Do they deserve to have there activities broadcast and lives ruined? Also the cheaters themselves they should have to face the consequences of their actions yes. I just think that should be between them and their families not the whole world. "
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"Do we have anyone from the Admin team here to reassure us that those of us who are photo verified, that our facepix are safe?" The simple answer is that they are not 'safe'. Pretty much any site is vulnerable to being hacked if someone wanted to do it. Lesson 1 of the internet: Do not put things on the internet that you would not be happy showing your mother, your children, and your boss. | |||
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"Do we have anyone from the Admin team here to reassure us that those of us who are photo verified, that our facepix are safe? The simple answer is that they are not 'safe'. Pretty much any site is vulnerable to being hacked if someone wanted to do it. Lesson 1 of the internet: Do not put things on the internet that you would not be happy showing your mother, your children, and your boss." Which is why so many people won't get photo-verified. There is no way a picture of me holding paper with the name of a swinging site is ever going to happen, particularly as I would have mo way of ever deleting it | |||
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SNP MP Michelle Thomson claimed she was the victim of computer hackers after an email address belonging to her was linked to a website facilitating extramarital affairs.""Claimed" hrm? Of course she did not do it! I could set up an AM profile for my MP within 5 minutes. I know her email addy, home address, can get pictures. (I only need one face pic as I can get plenty of headless body shots from elsewhere) She would know nothing about it. All her information is on line. How can she prove it was not her who set it up? How many profiles on AM were revenge porn? Or husbands, neighbours or "friends" using an unaware female to get pervy, wank fodder, comments from other men. Don't say it does not happen as Fab is blessed with quite a few of them itself. Now let's get the info out there and punish these "cheaters!" I'll bring the rope! | |||
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"My point was that people say stop morally judging the cheaters. But the law is a moral judgement too. Moving away from extreme punishment in foreign countries. In our own it's now illegal to watch (or maybe distribute) fisting and facesitting films. Why? A moral judgement was made. We all make moral judgments every day. So why should cheating be exempt. Were all these people morally agnostic over the likes of cheating by Armstrong in cycling or other people who cheat but get found out " You raise fair and well made points and I enjoy having my eyes opened by some of the things you are saying. Your quite right we all judge by our own moral standards I'm now reflecting on some things I've said in a thread about dogging in a cemetry. Which clearly got my moral goat but on reflection I wasnt necessarily right to say everything I did. My main bug bear is when others make moral judgements that they won't back up or explore. I myself have shared the fact that I'm a cheat in other threads ad I'm not proud of the fact. it's a complex issue for me as I do have permission but due to my partner not wanting to know the details and using excuses for meets I still consider myself a cheat. | |||
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"Where can I get an onion address and a Tor Browswer pls "Just google it and download. Note the TOR browser is not a search engine for looking into the dark net, you need to have the URL for the TOR browser, in fact the browser is more of a VPN tool. You can also get TOR browsers for iPads and other tablets. By the way how many of you have logged onto the internet whilst at a swing club and used the free wifi ? Using a pineapple v5 and karma I can sit in my car and persuade your phone that I was a friendly wifi link and just drag all of the info off your phone ( I have simplified that sentence). With the latest Samsung and HTC I can actually listen to your conversations if the phone is on. (There is issue with the google browser which can turn your phone into a microphone if you) When I say I, I mean those nasty people out there who can buy this kit for around £165. This information is out there Google Scott Helme. | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed." I think you have summed up a very good point. Some people will say cheaters are cheaters so fuck them. But if this was another type of site such a bank and hackers didn't like their ethics opinions would be different for some I'm sure... | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed. I think you have summed up a very good point. Some people will say cheaters are cheaters so fuck them. But if this was another type of site such a bank and hackers didn't like their ethics opinions would be different for some I'm sure..." Absolutely agreed! On the cheating thing, if people want to do it, it's up to them but they hacked Adobe a few months ago and released passwords, card details etc. of people who have done nothing more than buy their suite of creative software. Getting into sites used to be the 'game' for hackers but this releasing of names, passwords, card details etc. is a seriously sinister turn and whilst the potential implications of the AM hack are back enough, as you rightly say, wait till it's your local bank and see what mayhem that could cause! | |||
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Just google it and download. Note the TOR browser is not a search engine for looking into the dark net, you need to have the URL for the TOR browser, in fact the browser is more of a VPN tool.
You can also get TOR browsers for iPads and other tablets.
By the way how many of you have logged onto the internet whilst at a swing club and used the free wifi ?
Using a pineapple v5 and karma I can sit in my car and persuade your phone that I was a friendly wifi link and just drag all of the info off your phone ( I have simplified that sentence). With the latest Samsung and HTC I can actually listen to your conversations if the phone is on. (There is issue with the google browser which can turn your phone into a microphone if you)
When I say I, I mean those nasty people out there who can buy this kit for around £165.
This information is out there Google Scott Helme."Very very true but people will say if you have nothing to hide nothing to fear !!! We ALL have something we fear even the smug ones might not be swinging at all but I'm sure with some time "somebody " could make life uncomfortable for anyone NO ONE Is untouchable | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed. I think you have summed up a very good point. Some people will say cheaters are cheaters so fuck them. But if this was another type of site such a bank and hackers didn't like their ethics opinions would be different for some I'm sure... Absolutely agreed! On the cheating thing, if people want to do it, it's up to them but they hacked Adobe a few months ago and released passwords, card details etc. of people who have done nothing more than buy their suite of creative software. Getting into sites used to be the 'game' for hackers but this releasing of names, passwords, card details etc. is a seriously sinister turn and whilst the potential implications of the AM hack are back enough, as you rightly say, wait till it's your local bank and see what mayhem that could cause! " Maybe the question that should be asked is. is cyber-terrorism OK as long as it doesn't affect you? | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed. I think you have summed up a very good point. Some people will say cheaters are cheaters so fuck them. But if this was another type of site such a bank and hackers didn't like their ethics opinions would be different for some I'm sure... Absolutely agreed! On the cheating thing, if people want to do it, it's up to them but they hacked Adobe a few months ago and released passwords, card details etc. of people who have done nothing more than buy their suite of creative software. Getting into sites used to be the 'game' for hackers but this releasing of names, passwords, card details etc. is a seriously sinister turn and whilst the potential implications of the AM hack are back enough, as you rightly say, wait till it's your local bank and see what mayhem that could cause! Maybe the question that should be asked is. is cyber-terrorism OK as long as it doesn't affect you? "It's fine as long as it's Katie Hopkins Twitter account! | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed. I think you have summed up a very good point. Some people will say cheaters are cheaters so fuck them. But if this was another type of site such a bank and hackers didn't like their ethics opinions would be different for some I'm sure... Absolutely agreed! On the cheating thing, if people want to do it, it's up to them but they hacked Adobe a few months ago and released passwords, card details etc. of people who have done nothing more than buy their suite of creative software. Getting into sites used to be the 'game' for hackers but this releasing of names, passwords, card details etc. is a seriously sinister turn and whilst the potential implications of the AM hack are back enough, as you rightly say, wait till it's your local bank and see what mayhem that could cause! Maybe the question that should be asked is. is cyber-terrorism OK as long as it doesn't affect you?
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" Already reports of at least one 'celebrity' on the list.
And an MP.
SNP MP Michelle Thomson claimed she was the victim of computer hackers after an email address belonging to her was linked to a website facilitating extramarital affairs.
"Claimed" hrm? Of course she did not do it!
I could set up an AM profile for my MP within 5 minutes. I know her email addy, home address, can get pictures. (I only need one face pic as I can get plenty of headless body shots from elsewhere) She would know nothing about it. All her information is on line. How can she prove it was not her who set it up?
How many profiles on AM were revenge porn? Or husbands, neighbours or "friends" using an unaware female to get pervy, wank fodder, comments from other men. Don't say it does not happen as Fab is blessed with quite a few of them itself.
Now let's get the info out there and punish these "cheaters!" I'll bring the rope! " | |||
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"Apologies if this has been said before, it's a long thread and I haven't had time to read every comment. One thing worries me about this whole episode more than people cheating on their partners...It's the fact that it looks there are now hackers out there acting as supposed 'moral guardians' for the rest of the world but according to their own beliefs and if they don't get their way, they're willing and able to cause a lot of hurt and upset with seemingly virtual impunity. Amongst the hacker community, there has always been a culture of one-upmanship and this is just the latest step. They aren't now just content to break into the sites to prove they can do it and take the Kudos for that, releasing this data, seeing the devastation it causes and having their hacker peers know it was them who did it is a 'badge of honour'. They didn't have to do this, they could simple have erased the website and it's data if they didn't like what AM were doing. Hackers have a desire for their 'work' to be noticed but usually haven't got the nuts to step out from behind the keyboard and identify themselves. They're like the giggling school kids who think they gotten away putting one over on the adults. They wanted to wield some measure of power over AM and when their bluff was called, they had to go through with it. Of course people shouldn't be using a website like AM or the others but who are the hackers to decide what should and shouldn't happen in our world. This makes them no better than the elected officials that they claim to despise so much. Actually, it makes them worse because at least elected officials ARE elected and not self-appointed." Who are the government to break into your payroll and steal 20 - 40% of your income? Hacking comes in all forms! Politicians are also not shy of wanting their work to be noticed. I get it you don't like that someone can make a judgement call on your life and blow it up in smoke, but that has always been the way of things. Pick any group you like, the poor, the rich, the old, the young, all skin types. They all have moral judgements made about them, this is not going to stop anytime soon. Humans are social animals and as part of that, they will make judgements about what they feel is right or wrong. If you read your own post, you make lots of sweeping judgements about the 'hacker community' it's motivations and the wrongs of that group of people. People are going to gossip and judge each other, the day we don't facebook will collapse and the world will become a very silent place. It's a place I could live in, but I doubt many others could abide it. | |||
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"The motives of these people are what exactly? from a legal standpoint, they claim that AVM (the owners of Ashley Madison) were charging people for complete profile deletes when this was not actually happening..... and I suppose now we will find out if that is actually true.... and i suspect they wouldn't have released this data with all the credit card details if that wasn't true...... because I bet now there are going to be some law suits coming AVM's way So, to prove some company committed false accounting they set off a nuclear bomb in the middle of a city? God protect us!! "well.... funny enough.... it looks are if the hackers were right after all.... in that the claim that ALM were charging for complete deletes that were not happening.... it looks like accounts that had been wiped by the dating service had their real name, username, email and profile information removed as promised. But the company seems to have retained the date of birth, city, state, post- or zip code, country, gender, ethnicity, weight, height, body type and whether the user smokes or drinks – providing enough information to reveal a user’s identity. so it will be interesting to see if anyone sues them, bearing in mind that anyone attempting to do so will have to out themselves as being a user of the site.... have to say i felt so sorry for the aussie lady who had her husband outed being on AM live on air by 2 DJ's.... you do wonder what the hell they were thinking... | |||
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"The motives of these people are what exactly? from a legal standpoint, they claim that AVM (the owners of Ashley Madison) were charging people for complete profile deletes when this was not actually happening..... and I suppose now we will find out if that is actually true.... and i suspect they wouldn't have released this data with all the credit card details if that wasn't true...... because I bet now there are going to be some law suits coming AVM's way So, to prove some company committed false accounting they set off a nuclear bomb in the middle of a city? God protect us!!
well.... funny enough.... it looks are if the hackers were right after all.... in that the claim that ALM were charging for complete deletes that were not happening....
it looks like accounts that had been wiped by the dating service had their real name, username, email and profile information removed as promised. But the company seems to have retained the date of birth, city, state, post- or zip code, country, gender, ethnicity, weight, height, body type and whether the user smokes or drinks – providing enough information to reveal a user’s identity.
so it will be interesting to see if anyone sues them, bearing in mind that anyone attempting to do so will have to out themselves as being a user of the site....
have to say i felt so sorry for the aussie lady who had her husband outed being on AM live on air by 2 DJ's.... you do wonder what the hell they were thinking..."There's a report of a $3M law suit against AM and others in USA and Canada being looked at. Another report alleging that AM bought email addresses and info from marketing companies to 'pad out' their database and make the website look more popular than it was. A report of AM employees being told to create multiple fake female profiles- because these are used to entice men to pay the sign up fee. The dj's remind me of the idiots that hoax called the nurse when Kate was suffering acute morning sickness. | |||
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"Also how many people on here have used their mobiles to get a supporter pass and is this information hackable? " Bump! Fab Admin, does Fab store data on the mobile numbers used to buy supporter passes? Or do they simply get the money from the phone company? | |||
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"I'm still none the wiser to the motives of the hackers. Do they look for discrepancies in online sites to make money from them? " Thats pretty much it yeah. Any site that collects money from people is going to be a potential target. Online banking anyone? | |||
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" Fab Admin, does Fab store data on the mobile numbers used to buy supporter passes? Or do they simply get the money from the phone company? "We don't receive anyone's mobile number when they pay. The system doesn't work like that. Admin x | |||
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