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"Every day you can still here MJ and we all know about him" Lol | |||
"As dj's are we asked for good songs bad songs naff songs and then lost prophets so the debate is Should will still play songs from Gary Gilter Roff Harris Lost Prophets when requested Every day you can still here MJ and we all know about him So play or not play " MyJ was never tried or convicted of anything though. Rolf Harris and Ian Walking ahow no remorse for what they have done. Rolf even wrote a song in prison calling his accusers money grabbing woken. | |||
"Absolutely not. They all been convicted of awful crimes. If they're songs are being played they are getting royalties. " Do they still get them paid when in prison? | |||
"Absolutely not. They all been convicted of awful crimes. If they're songs are being played they are getting royalties. Do they still get them paid when in prison?" x Yeah there always being collected until they have been public for so many yearsits a long time just can't remember how long. Even after they die the royalties pass to family. they just can't enjoy spending it from prison. x | |||
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"It's a tough one . I think certain American football clubs still use Gary Glitters anthem when a goal is scored . It's a custom and most probably don't even know it's him . The fact he has been found guilty of heinous crimes against children many years after his fame and , let's face it , he was the leader for some 3 years in the 70s , doesn't make his hits any the less iconic . It's impossible to look at the music from 1972 to 1975 without including his anthems . And radio and TV pretend he never existed . It was musical history , millions of singles and albums sold , a genre created and yet it's ignored . Perhaps this is the right way to do it , ignorance is bliss . The law perhaps should change when a paedophile is found guilty , their royalties go to the victims . I don't have the answer , nor do I support artists getting the royalties , but to pretend their music never existed is somewhat naive . And what about the other musicians involved , and the songwriters ? They miss out and they've done nothing wrong . " It's actually a Sammy Hagar song (Mas Tequil) but the guitar riff is the same as the Gary Glitter song. | |||
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"No!!!! However I do feel for the other band members. Must suck to have everything ripped away because of one disgusting idiot "  | |||
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" It's actually a Sammy Hagar song (Mas Tequil) but the guitar riff is the same as the Gary Glitter song." nope... its definately gary glitter's rock n roll parts 1 & 2 played at a lot of us sporting events... although that is now beginning to be shyed away from my university use to play it... it doesn't anymore its a bit like the time a mobile phone went off playing the "jim'll fix it tune"... a part of me went "yey! childhood"... and a bit of me when "ooooh.... can't play that anymore!" | |||
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" It's actually a Sammy Hagar song (Mas Tequil) but the guitar riff is the same as the Gary Glitter song. nope... its definately gary glitter's rock n roll parts 1 & 2 played at a lot of us sporting events... although that is now beginning to be shyed away from my university use to play it... it doesn't anymore its a bit like the time a mobile phone went off playing the "jim'll fix it tune"... a part of me went "yey! childhood"... and a bit of me when "ooooh.... can't play that anymore!"" We have this discussion at work regularly.. Mainly when my boss goes "now then.." And he is so used to doing it in that voice and has to stop himself! I don't think it's right to play stuff by lost prophets which is a shame as I liked their stuff. | |||
" It's actually a Sammy Hagar song (Mas Tequil) but the guitar riff is the same as the Gary Glitter song. nope... its definately gary glitter's rock n roll parts 1 & 2 played at a lot of us sporting events... although that is now beginning to be shyed away from my university use to play it... it doesn't anymore its a bit like the time a mobile phone went off playing the "jim'll fix it tune"... a part of me went "yey! childhood"... and a bit of me when "ooooh.... can't play that anymore!"" The thing is it's easy to agree we don't like child abusers. The problem is that once we label a group of people as basically non-human, however vile they are, that category will quickly grow. | |||
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"These vile creatures used their fame to help them offend, so I'd be happy that their royalties are " proceeds of crime". As such they can be removed, given to the victims. As it stands it's difficult but I'd go with no don't play them, but as others have said I feel sorry for others in the band etc." Somewhat maybe...but there are bloody loads of paedophiles in the world without an ounce of fame, or money. If Watkins was a 'less famous' member of the band, do you think we'd be discussing whether or not to play his band's music? | |||
"Would never play them as anyway they are shite What they did just gives a reason d*unk people can't argue with lol" They? | |||
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"Would never play them as anyway they are shite What they did just gives a reason d*unk people can't argue with lol They?" Yes Rolf Harris Gary glitter etc = they | |||
"As dj's are we asked for good songs bad songs naff songs and then lost prophets so the debate is Should will still play songs from Gary Gilter Roff Harris Lost Prophets when requested Every day you can still here MJ and we all know about him So play or not play MyJ was never tried or convicted of anything though. Rolf Harris and Ian Walking ahow no remorse for what they have done. Rolf even wrote a song in prison calling his accusers money grabbing woken. " Actually, Michael Jackson DID stand trial and was acquitted. | |||
"Would never play them as anyway they are shite What they did just gives a reason d*unk people can't argue with lol They? Yes Rolf Harris Gary glitter etc = they" Ahh. | |||
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"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? " Well, Jeffrey Archer should go for a start! | |||
" It's actually a Sammy Hagar song (Mas Tequil) but the guitar riff is the same as the Gary Glitter song. nope... its definately gary glitter's rock n roll parts 1 & 2 played at a lot of us sporting events... although that is now beginning to be shyed away from my university use to play it... it doesn't anymore its a bit like the time a mobile phone went off playing the "jim'll fix it tune"... a part of me went "yey! childhood"... and a bit of me when "ooooh.... can't play that anymore!"" I was always told it was the Hagar tune because I thought it was Rock n Roll. Maybe some teams use one and others use the other. They're very similar.... https://youtu.be/hdMfCNyeGg0 | |||
"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? " But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,, | |||
"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,, "Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence? | |||
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" I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,, "I agree | |||
"The rational answer is yes it should be played and yes he should still get royalties. Not because I like him or what he did, but because anything else doesn't make sense under common law. It should be played because people need to grow up and stop thinking that the ability to play a guitar / throw or kick a ball / walk down a catwalk qualifies someone as a good human being. He should get the royalties because he earned them for music, not his crimes. But he should also be fined the fuck out of for his crimes, let's say to the exact same amount of all his wealth from music... " | |||
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"I loved Lost Prophets but cannot bring myself to listen to them anymore without feeling sick. It's a real shame for the rest of his band members. " | |||
"The thing that gets me is that only Watkins committed the crimes. It's such a shame the other band members have to suffer. I can only imagine how they must feel. I understand they have begun a new musical project though...not that I can remember what it's called! " I do believe they are called No Devotion | |||
"The rational answer is yes it should be played and yes he should still get royalties. Not because I like him or what he did, but because anything else doesn't make sense under common law. It should be played because people need to grow up and stop thinking that the ability to play a guitar / throw or kick a ball / walk down a catwalk qualifies someone as a good human being. He should get the royalties because he earned them for music, not his crimes. But he should also be fined the fuck out of for his crimes, let's say to the exact same amount of all his wealth from music... "
An excellent use of logic.
Very clever. Could easily be written into law.
They can never declare bankruptcy either as they will have an income stream. | |||
"It's a tough one . I think certain American football clubs still use Gary Glitters anthem when a goal is scored . It's a custom and most probably don't even know it's him . The fact he has been found guilty of heinous crimes against children many years after his fame and , let's face it , he was the leader for some 3 years in the 70s , doesn't make his hits any the less iconic . It's impossible to look at the music from 1972 to 1975 without including his anthems . And radio and TV pretend he never existed . It was musical history , millions of singles and albums sold , a genre created and yet it's ignored . Perhaps this is the right way to do it , ignorance is bliss . The law perhaps should change when a paedophile is found guilty , their royalties go to the victims . I don't have the answer , nor do I support artists getting the royalties , but to pretend their music never existed is somewhat naive . And what about the other musicians involved , and the songwriters ? They miss out and they've done nothing wrong . " That last line is the galling thing. In the case of the lostprophets especially. They had no idea what he was up too and have had there careers destroyed through no fault of their own. They had some great songs. Still having said that I'm not comfortable listening to them any more. | |||
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"...massive), yet it's their innocent unknowing colleagues who continue to be penalised. Meanwhile, we continue to listen to Jerry Lee Lewis (married 13 year old) Led Zeppelin (Page's affair with teenage girl) And anything produced by Phil Spector (murder) Suicide is illegal, so that's Nirvana off the playlist. Etc etc " Hmm you make a good point sir. | |||
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"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?"Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something?  | |||
"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?
Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something? "He went to prison for fraud or something. | |||
"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?
Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something?
He went to prison for fraud or something."Tax evasion. | |||
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"The thing that gets me is that only Watkins committed the crimes. It's such a shame the other band members have to suffer. I can only imagine how they must feel. I understand they have begun a new musical project though...not that I can remember what it's called! I do believe they are called No Devotion " Nice name and thanks! | |||
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"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?
Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something?
He went to prison for fraud or something.
Tax evasion."He always looked a bit shifty thiugh didn't he  | |||
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" I'm not letting one man's actions ruin the memories I have of the band though." Spot on. | |||
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"But would anyone even request their songs..... "they get requested every week 10% are just to take the piss and see what we say the other 90% is cos the music is still good and people like it | |||
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"Wow what an amazing post in the sense that the lost prophets are a great band and one song especialy is in my all time fav list and unfortunately since the this sick and very sad story emerged I haven't heard or listened to this band and don't plan too either . "Being part of this music scene for the last 20 years and having worked with the band in Brighton in the early days I was shocked I spent time with the band I really don't think any of them know what was going and still knowing the people at they label they had no clue the music was and is great and it's a shame we can't separate it from the singer | |||
On the other hand, I wouldn't refuse to play any song because of who wrote/recorded it, I believe that are surpasses politics. A song doesn't become less good if it was written by a wander. .
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"Wow what an amazing post in the sense that the lost prophets are a great band and one song especialy is in my all time fav list and unfortunately since the this sick and very sad story emerged I haven't heard or listened to this band and don't plan too either .
Being part of this music scene for the last 20 years and having worked with the band in Brighton in the early days I was shocked I spent time with the band I really don't think any of them know what was going and still knowing the people at they label they had no clue the music was and is great and it's a shame we can't separate it from the singer"Did some great song's. Should the other band members suffer because of him? But why should he get royalties. It's a difficult one. | |||
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"As a club dj you'll either already have the track or you won't, so the royalties thing doesn't apply. " You learn something new everyday. Is it different if played on a radio station? I always thought they paid per play? | |||
"Would never play them as anyway they are shite What they did just gives a reason d*unk people can't argue with lol"
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"As a club dj you'll either already have the track or you won't, so the royalties thing doesn't apply. You learn something new everyday. Is it different if played on a radio station? I always thought they paid per play?" Just search Gary Glitter royalties and you'll see why I'm gonna punch Noel Gallagher if I ever see him... Grrrrrr | |||
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"The thing that gets me is that only Watkins committed the crimes. It's such a shame the other band members have to suffer. I can only imagine how they must feel. I understand they have begun a new musical project though...not that I can remember what it's called! " Feel sorry for Lisa ,Fay,Claire and the other lad no one remembers ! | |||
"The thing that gets me is that only Watkins committed the crimes. It's such a shame the other band members have to suffer. I can only imagine how they must feel. I understand they have begun a new musical project though...not that I can remember what it's called! Feel sorry for Lisa ,Fay,Claire and the other lad no one remembers ! " Lee and that's steps lol | |||
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"Musicians are vastly overpaid. They have no unique talent, in fact I've got a friend who's a window cleaner,can play nearly every guitar solo completely indistinguishable from the original! It's a self perpetuated industry and most of it wouldn't even exist without excessive marketing!" Wow you really spout some don't you? Do you get a kick out of trolling threads?  | |||
"Musicians are vastly overpaid. They have no unique talent, in fact I've got a friend who's a window cleaner,can play nearly every guitar solo completely indistinguishable from the original! It's a self perpetuated industry and most of it wouldn't even exist without excessive marketing!" You could say that about a lot of things marketing wise. But saying they aren't uniquely talented is a genralism. By that standard I can sing like Mariah | |||
"Wow what an amazing post in the sense that the lost prophets are a great band and one song especialy is in my all time fav list and unfortunately since the this sick and very sad story emerged I haven't heard or listened to this band and don't plan too either .
Being part of this music scene for the last 20 years and having worked with the band in Brighton in the early days I was shocked I spent time with the band I really don't think any of them know what was going and still knowing the people at they label they had no clue the music was and is great and it's a shame we can't separate it from the singer
Did some great song's.
Should the other band members suffer because of him?
But why should he get royalties.
It's a difficult one. "Exactly how I feel and put accros better than I tried , can't put blame on anyone else connected unless otherwise proven and as for the songs , what if in years down the line another band sampled or covered one of there tracks ?? | |||
"As dj's are we asked for good songs bad songs naff songs and then lost prophets so the debate is Should will still play songs from Gary Gilter Roff Harris Lost Prophets when requested Every day you can still here MJ and we all know about him So play or not play MyJ was never tried or convicted of anything though. Rolf Harris and Ian Walking ahow no remorse for what they have done. Rolf even wrote a song in prison calling his accusers money grabbing woken. " MJ slept in the same bed with other children whe in his 40s that to me is weird! | |||
"As dj's are we asked for good songs bad songs naff songs and then lost prophets so the debate is Should will still play songs from Gary Gilter Roff Harris Lost Prophets when requested Every day you can still here MJ and we all know about him So play or not play MyJ was never tried or convicted of anything though. Rolf Harris and Ian Walking ahow no remorse for what they have done. Rolf even wrote a song in prison calling his accusers money grabbing woken. MJ slept in the same bed with other children whe in his 40s that to me is weird!" I've slept in the same bed as a dozen other couples along with my partner...that to many people is weird  | |||
"Musicians are vastly overpaid. They have no unique talent, in fact I've got a friend who's a window cleaner,can play nearly every guitar solo completely indistinguishable from the original! It's a self perpetuated industry and most of it wouldn't even exist without excessive marketing! You could say that about a lot of things marketing wise. But saying they aren't uniquely talented is a genralism. By that standard I can sing like Mariah ". No not really! Why do the rolling stones still command 1k for concert tickets! A because there the stones B because the oaps are clearly 950 pounds better than the average band! The bootleg beetles are as good as the real beetles, I've seen then dozens of times.... I saw led Zeppelin tribute band you couldn't even distinguish from the real led Zeppelin, paid £16 for tickets and the venue only held 500 ish! If they did 20,000 venues that price might drop to 80p? People feeling they get value for money doesn't actually mean there getting value for money does it! Why did seasick Steve do what he does now for nothing for 20 years but today doing the exact same thing earns millions? I mean would he have the same appeal if he only earnt 50 quid a night!! There is the power of marketing in my opinion and why musicians are overpaid for what they do | |||
"Musicians are vastly overpaid. They have no unique talent, in fact I've got a friend who's a window cleaner,can play nearly every guitar solo completely indistinguishable from the original! It's a self perpetuated industry and most of it wouldn't even exist without excessive marketing! You could say that about a lot of things marketing wise. But saying they aren't uniquely talented is a genralism. By that standard I can sing like Mariah .
No not really!
Why do the rolling stones still command 1k for concert tickets!
A because there the stones
B because the oaps are clearly 950 pounds better than the average band!
The bootleg beetles are as good as the real beetles, I've seen then dozens of times....
I saw led Zeppelin tribute band you couldn't even distinguish from the real led Zeppelin, paid £16 for tickets and the venue only held 500 ish!
If they did 20,000 venues that price might drop to 80p?
People feeling they get value for money doesn't actually mean there getting value for money does it!
Why did seasick Steve do what he does now for nothing for 20 years but today doing the exact same thing earns millions? I mean would he have the same appeal if he only earnt 50 quid a night!!
There is the power of marketing in my opinion and why musicians are overpaid for what they do"If you noticed...clearly not. I don't disagree with your marketing rant. I disagree with you saying none of them are uniquely talented! There are shit bands but there's amazingly talented ones too! | |||
"As a club dj you'll either already have the track or you won't, so the royalties thing doesn't apply. You learn something new everyday. Is it different if played on a radio station? I always thought they paid per play?" I have no idea! I'd imagine so though, yeah. | |||
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"As a dj of 27 years, I have no qualms about dropping music by convicted sex offenders from my collection.There's enough good music out there by artists that didn't use their position to mess with kids." Is it just child abuse? What about rape, murder,suicide, drug abuse, drink driving, tax evasion, speeding, petty theft? Let him who is without sin write the first song? | |||
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"The thing that gets me is that only Watkins committed the crimes. It's such a shame the other band members have to suffer. I can only imagine how they must feel. I understand they have begun a new musical project though...not that I can remember what it's called! Feel sorry for Lisa ,Fay,Claire and the other lad no one remembers ! Lee and that's steps lol" Yes Lee latchford Evans just testing to see if you was a steps fan | |||
"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?
Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something?
He went to prison for fraud or something."Erm no he have a very good brief Dodd was represented by George Carman, who in court famously quipped, "Some accountants are comedians, but comedians are never accountants". The trial lasted three weeks: Dodd was acquitted. | |||
"As a club dj you'll either already have the track or you won't, so the royalties thing doesn't apply. You learn something new everyday. Is it different if played on a radio station? I always thought they paid per play? Just search Gary Glitter royalties and you'll see why I'm gonna punch Noel Gallagher if I ever see him... Grrrrrr " To be fair Oasis wrote that before he was convicted of anything. It's hard to be grumpy with them when he was not even a suspect. | |||
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"Must be a banging party if Two Little Boys is on the set list" All I can say is "Main stage Glastonbury" | |||
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"Sorry OP, going to open the question up a little here. Should it just apply to music though? Which crimes are heinous enough to warrant a boycott on anything produced or starring someone who has been found guilty of such an offence? But surely by that logic once the person has served their sentence public access to their work would then be made available again..... I don't want more controls placed on my freedom of choice, I think all we need to do its trust the public to make the right choices ,,,,,
Once something is in the public domain it is nigh on impossible to stop people having access to it. Folk have already bought Lost Prophets' cd,s, Jeffrey Archer books even Ken Dodd dvd's etc., but should they be withdrawn from sale whilst the guilty party is serving their sentence?
Ken Dodd??? Have I missed something?
He went to prison for fraud or something.
Tax evasion."He never actually went to prison. He came clean when HMRC prompted him and paid up! | |||
