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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate but what about my rights not to listen to this shite and be disrupted by them, Never mind the cost of policing them  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Do you support either?
Nope."
Then why would you want either demos to be allowed under the guise of equal rights/free speech? They're violent, aggressive and spread hate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate but what about my rights not to listen to this shite and be disrupted by them, Never mind the cost of policing them "
They only have the right to a peaceful protest, most of their demos aren't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Do you support either?
Nope.
Then why would you want either demos to be allowed under the guise of equal rights/free speech? They're violent, aggressive and spread hate. "
You're right, which ultimately leads to the question, should everyone be allowed freedom of speech, even violent and hate filled folk such as Muslim extremists/angry youths and white supremacists, or should it be controlled by the government? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Do you support either?
Nope.
Then why would you want either demos to be allowed under the guise of equal rights/free speech? They're violent, aggressive and spread hate.
You're right, which ultimately leads to the question, should everyone be allowed freedom of speech, even violent and hate filled folk such as Muslim extremists/angry youths and white supremacists, or should it be controlled by the government?"
Of course not, that's a silly proposition. Our government is a democracy and it makes sense to be ruled by the majority's opinions/desires. |
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that."
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life."
You must've never seen the extreme Islam protests where they make inflammatory statements (eg death to British soldiers).
They're not great. What a pompous statement, it's a terrible state to be in where our country is so divisive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want"
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
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Not exactly the same as media exposure is it,
And if anyone wants to declare their alliance with either of them they would just go on my block list as they are not the type of people I would like to associate with |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago
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People get confused about free speech. Free speech does not mean anyone has the right to say anything they want to whom ever and where ever they choose, there are limits and restrictions as there should be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People get confused about free speech. Free speech does not mean anyone has the right to say anything they want to whom ever and where ever they choose, there are limits and restrictions as there should be. "
No, that's just the UK's legal interpretation of free speech. The actual definition is freedom to say anything without risk of censorship. It's different from country to country (the U.S. being one of the most "free"). |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Have a listen to the series £3 In My Pocket.
The second series episode this week covered 1976 to 1981 and ended with the death of Blair Peach.
Some of us have lived through this before. Seeing it again, pumped up on the steroids of mass social media is not pleasant. The story is fundamentally the same.
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
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That didn't happen. |
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"People get confused about free speech. Free speech does not mean anyone has the right to say anything they want to whom ever and where ever they choose, there are limits and restrictions as there should be. "
No. Freedom of speech means you can say what you like. However if what you say is awful you also have the responsibility to face the consequences. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen. "
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true. |
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life.
You must've never seen the extreme Islam protests where they make inflammatory statements (eg death to British soldiers).
They're not great. What a pompous statement, it's a terrible state to be in where our country is so divisive. "
Some pricks who are muslim say things which are pretty unpleasant. However they are free to hold which opinions they wish. But we must challenge them and show them for the ignorant fools they are. Exactly how we should treat the white supremacist racists the OP was referring to. Idiots need to be given enough rope to hang themselves. Exposure destroys them. It is not pompous to suggest that getting to see who these knob are is a good thing. |
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true."
You could not have said it better. This sort of ignorance is incredibly damaging. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"And if it's anything like the recent Neo-Nazi demonstration in North London against 'Jewification' then they'll be heavily outnumbered. "
Didn't that one get moved from it's initial route? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life.
You must've never seen the extreme Islam protests where they make inflammatory statements (eg death to British soldiers).
They're not great. What a pompous statement, it's a terrible state to be in where our country is so divisive.
Some pricks who are muslim say things which are pretty unpleasant. However they are free to hold which opinions they wish. But we must challenge them and show them for the ignorant fools they are. Exactly how we should treat the white supremacist racists the OP was referring to. Idiots need to be given enough rope to hang themselves. Exposure destroys them. It is not pompous to suggest that getting to see who these knob are is a good thing. "
I think it's arrogant to say that the demonstrations will eat themselves when it clearly drums up new support. Also, in the UK hate speech can be criminal under certain statutes, so those "Muslim pricks" or "white supremacist racists" aren't free to spread hatred either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true."
The two links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gRvBp7wX8
and the second
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
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"And if it's anything like the recent Neo-Nazi demonstration in North London against 'Jewification' then they'll be heavily outnumbered.
Didn't that one get moved from it's initial route?"
I think it may have done, the Neo-Nazis only numbered about 20 from what I read and they had to be escorted by the police into the tube station afterwards.
I read an account of a writer at The Guardian who lived locally. When the protest started a lot of people knocked on doors to get the neighbours to join the counter-protest, which he did. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"And if it's anything like the recent Neo-Nazi demonstration in North London against 'Jewification' then they'll be heavily outnumbered.
Didn't that one get moved from it's initial route?
I think it may have done, the Neo-Nazis only numbered about 20 from what I read and they had to be escorted by the police into the tube station afterwards.
I read an account of a writer at The Guardian who lived locally. When the protest started a lot of people knocked on doors to get the neighbours to join the counter-protest, which he did. "
The business community there were very active in leafletting to let people know the march would be going through the area. The talked up fears of their shops being damaged too. It garnered television coverage in the run up to the march and nothing much after.
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
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agree. Ive never heard of the white man march , |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,"
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country. |
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Never knew anything about it till the OP started the publicity for it.
Always better to know who the loonies are.
Just the agoraphobic loonies left to find.
I do believe this in my heart. I'd even like to see extremist parties permitted. It makes it much easier to keep an eye on the worrying one's than letting them just get angry in private. |
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"And if it's anything like the recent Neo-Nazi demonstration in North London against 'Jewification' then they'll be heavily outnumbered.
Didn't that one get moved from it's initial route?
I think it may have done, the Neo-Nazis only numbered about 20 from what I read and they had to be escorted by the police into the tube station afterwards.
I read an account of a writer at The Guardian who lived locally. When the protest started a lot of people knocked on doors to get the neighbours to join the counter-protest, which he did.
The business community there were very active in leafletting to let people know the march would be going through the area. The talked up fears of their shops being damaged too. It garnered television coverage in the run up to the march and nothing much after.
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I think a lot of the pre-coverage media was to get the protest stopped completely.
When that didn't happen the locals and others made sure they mounted their own counter but then denied the crazies any further exposure once it was over.
To think... all that work for 20 right-wing-crazies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true.
The two links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gRvBp7wX8
and the second
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
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This is how it starts...
you give a link to an edited video..(pretty much staged to promote the expression of the flag bearers intent)
then give a link to something that is not prosecutable(it it explains that in the article)
As I've said..neither types interest me..the contrived need for publicity on both events is only to cause outrage and skew peoples viewpoints to an agenda
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country."
There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
There is an issue around class, which affects all ethnicities, that we don't talk about any more. Instead we polarise into the feckless benefit scroungers, immigrants stealing our jobs and our benefits and politicians being on the make.
We need to tackle disaffection but right now I am so tired of seeing the same issues again and again I don't have any suggestions.
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country."
just had a peek at the media reports, Neo Nazi march, and the plans for those apposing it are...... stand and laugh at them !!!!
Im thinking this will probably work better than causing trouble.
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life.
You must've never seen the extreme Islam protests where they make inflammatory statements (eg death to British soldiers).
They're not great. What a pompous statement, it's a terrible state to be in where our country is so divisive.
Some pricks who are muslim say things which are pretty unpleasant. However they are free to hold which opinions they wish. But we must challenge them and show them for the ignorant fools they are. Exactly how we should treat the white supremacist racists the OP was referring to. Idiots need to be given enough rope to hang themselves. Exposure destroys them. It is not pompous to suggest that getting to see who these knob are is a good thing.
I think it's arrogant to say that the demonstrations will eat themselves when it clearly drums up new support. Also, in the UK hate speech can be criminal under certain statutes, so those "Muslim pricks" or "white supremacist racists" aren't free to spread hatred either. "
In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
You cannot stop racists from existing but you can stop them from being able to influence general culture.
No reasonable person will look at an EDL March for instance and think that is for them. Anyone who does will already be of that volition and just looking for a group to vindicate them. Best keep all the wankers in one box.
There always has been and always will be a racist element in British culture. That will not go away quickly but we can ensure that we minimise their influence using tried and tested methods.
Also the fact that you can be prosecuted for saying things is very worrying.
What if the authorities class anyone criticising the government as hate speech? It no longer takes an act of parliament to make that illegal.
Is this what we want? |
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
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Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country.
There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them."
The cynic in me might say, well, about time they learned what the rest of us have put up with for 100s and 1000s of years.
But to be honest they've lost nothing. They are still over represented in media, sport, high level exec jobs, and most other things. One man being unsuccessful does not mean that white men in general are now an underclass. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
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Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country.
There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
The cynic in me might say, well, about time they learned what the rest of us have put up with for 100s and 1000s of years.
But to be honest they've lost nothing. They are still over represented in media, sport, high level exec jobs, and most other things. One man being unsuccessful does not mean that white men in general are now an underclass."
I know. I didn't say it was a reasonable or even reasoned argument. It's just the one I have been battling most lately.
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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago
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Still disagree, in any free country there are things you are not allowed to say, in certain circumstances. Free speech gas responsibility, inciting violence is illegal, threatening to kill someone is illegal etc etc you cannot say these things freely not should you. It is illegal in Germany to fly a swastika for example.
Yes people are free to express their views and ideas and opinions but in any society there are limits laid down by leaders of some description.
Personally I don't think displaying an Isis flag or a swastika in the UK should be tolerated and hiding behind the " free speech" argument shouldn't allow those who wish to destabilise our society to succeed |
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There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
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And it's this rhetoric that needs to be challenged.
What can white heterosexual men not do now that they could x-number of years ago? |
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Do you support either?
Nope.
Then why would you want either demos to be allowed under the guise of equal rights/free speech? They're violent, aggressive and spread hate.
You're right, which ultimately leads to the question, should everyone be allowed freedom of speech, even violent and hate filled folk such as Muslim extremists/angry youths and white supremacists, or should it be controlled by the government?"
Unfortunately when governments have been put in charge of peoples rights to free speech and peaceful demonstration almost anywhere around the world they generally create far more problems than they solve. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"One in Walsall by the EDL
and the White Man march Liverpool,
What will they actually gain from these demonstrations apart from staring up racial tension and disruption for everyone else,
I just hope the media stays away and doesn't give the attention that they want
I agree with the sentiment of your post but I have to crack a wry smile in that your post is providing them with an avenue of exposure,,,,,
agree. Ive never heard of the white man march ,
I wonder what they're marching about. Surely they can't be that clueless that they still believe that white men are discriminated against in this country.
There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
The cynic in me might say, well, about time they learned what the rest of us have put up with for 100s and 1000s of years.
But to be honest they've lost nothing. They are still over represented in media, sport, high level exec jobs, and most other things. One man being unsuccessful does not mean that white men in general are now an underclass.
I know. I didn't say it was a reasonable or even reasoned argument. It's just the one I have been battling most lately.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
And it's this rhetoric that needs to be challenged.
What can white heterosexual men not do now that they could x-number of years ago?"
There was a funny two-parter experiment on BBC1 last year with Nick Hewer and Margaret Mountford. I can't remember what it was called, but it was something like "Immigrant Britain".
They paired a British person with an immigrant. Listen to the Brits and you will see a clear articulation that something has been taken away from them, as though they have no agency over their own lives at all.
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There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
And it's this rhetoric that needs to be challenged.
What can white heterosexual men not do now that they could x-number of years ago?"
Pinch womens arses? |
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"Divide and conquer.
Cause hatred and fear.
It all leads to a more authoritarian state that will reduce our freedoms further.
And that's exactly what those in power want."
Is it? Hatred and fear leads to instability and possible anarchy. Would seem to me that that would be far more in the interests of those that don't currently have power but want it. You sure you're not looking in the wrong direction? |
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There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
And it's this rhetoric that needs to be challenged.
What can white heterosexual men not do now that they could x-number of years ago?
Pinch womens arses? "
Some women may lament that but I'm not sure about a majority of women.  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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There are many of them who believe they are the new underclass. The rhetoric I have seen has it that equality has meant they have lost their rights, nay had them ripped away from them.
And it's this rhetoric that needs to be challenged.
What can white heterosexual men not do now that they could x-number of years ago?
Pinch womens arses? "
Nope, they can still do that. We're just allowed to challenge it now without being regarded as lesbians. |
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share."
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing. |
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing."
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day. "
They're also not likely ever to govern. Whats the point in this particular digression? To say that white people hate immigration so bad they voted UKIP, but not enough to vote them into power? |
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
They're also not likely ever to govern. Whats the point in this particular digression? To say that white people hate immigration so bad they voted UKIP, but not enough to vote them into power?"
Someone above mentioned that the BNP were defunct. My point was that the party might be, but the ideology isn't, which ties in with the Neo-Nazi protests. |
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
They're also not likely ever to govern. Whats the point in this particular digression? To say that white people hate immigration so bad they voted UKIP, but not enough to vote them into power?"
to challenge your digression from the truth. |
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Just to be clear the bnp go nowhere near ukip in terms of votes cast.
Whilst extremist over simplify to get there message across, others over simplify to just discount views that are not necessarily racist.
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
They're also not likely ever to govern. Whats the point in this particular digression? To say that white people hate immigration so bad they voted UKIP, but not enough to vote them into power?
Someone above mentioned that the BNP were defunct. My point was that the party might be, but the ideology isn't, which ties in with the Neo-Nazi protests. "
I might find English people mildly infuriating politically, but they have never voted in an extremist government. I think we're safe. |
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Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking. "
The day supermarkets stop throwing food away is the day I'll worry about limited resources. |
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking. "
What does Neo-Nazism have to do with population control? |
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking.
The day supermarkets stop throwing food away is the day I'll worry about limited resources."
That will never happen the rich will still waste food rather than feed the poor.
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
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UKIP's main policy is to leave the EU. Supporting British exit from the EU is not a racist policy. |
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My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox |
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking.
What does Neo-Nazism have to do with population control? "
We've moved on. Away with your neo pretend nazis. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking.
What does Neo-Nazism have to do with population control? "
Well, the Nazis did have rather strong views about it. |
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"Too many discount reasonable views on population control as racist.
A lack of population control leads to hunger starvation and war for limited resources.
It's not an unreasonable argument to make that a country should be able to feed itself. Any more than that and it is short term thinking.
What does Neo-Nazism have to do with population control?
Well, the Nazis did have rather strong views about it."
Not about the number of people.
Unless the poster meant control the type of people rather than the number of people. |
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox"
Stop quoting our profile. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox"
Fab has dickheads and arseholes in, just the same as the rest of the world. Show me where its written that swingers are supposed to be liberal?
My club buddy is a UKIP/Tory supporter, I'm a radical liberal. As long as we don't talk about certain subjects, we get on fine. |
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox
Stop quoting our profile. "
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If only.
I'm amending ours to no fucking wankers!
Should just about cover us all |
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox"
You're on here too |
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox
Fab has dickheads and arseholes in, just the same as the rest of the world. Show me where its written that swingers are supposed to be liberal?
My club buddy is a UKIP/Tory supporter, I'm a radical liberal. As long as we don't talk about certain subjects, we get on fine."
So they are against face sitting and your against nazi fetishwear. That leaves a lot of open ground.
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"My conscience... Oooo my poor conscience!
All those poor ethnic minorities waiting to be saved from my holier than thou white ass!
There's more racism on here than an edl march..
At least there honest!
I've seen no whites, no black's, only black's, only big black's, no pakis, no polish. No fucking stupid people, no benefit scrounges, no Jap's , no smokers, no cunts, no gays,... I'm straight... Like this line... So straight I can't even put up with a message from somebody gay in case it infects me with gayness.
Your the biggest bunch of racists I've ever fucking met!
And your meant to be fucking liberals.. Ha
Tomorrow I hope you all come down with the pox
Fab has dickheads and arseholes in, just the same as the rest of the world. Show me where its written that swingers are supposed to be liberal?
My club buddy is a UKIP/Tory supporter, I'm a radical liberal. As long as we don't talk about certain subjects, we get on fine.
So they are against face sitting and your against nazi fetishwear. That leaves a lot of open ground.
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day. "
The possible fact that BNP voters may have voted UKIP does not make either UKIP or it's main policy of leaving the EU racist. |
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
The possible fact that BNP voters may have voted UKIP does not make either UKIP or it's main policy of leaving the EU racist."
Where did I say it did? |
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
The possible fact that BNP voters may have voted UKIP does not make either UKIP or it's main policy of leaving the EU racist."
You are right. They just happen to be racist as well. |
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over a year ago
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In the short term it may. But look at the BNP. All but defunct. That happened because they were given room to vent their spleen and they exposed themselves.
Yet UKIP got a huge surge, strange that.
Really? One seat in the House of Commons is a surge? Come on, UKIP came about because white English people don't like to share.
3.8 million votes, half that of labour is clear y as surge.
give away is not sharing.
The BNP votes went somewhere, and it wasn't to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens.
They're not likely to stay home on voting day.
The possible fact that BNP voters may have voted UKIP does not make either UKIP or it's main policy of leaving the EU racist.
Where did I say it did? "
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You know what makes it racist
The fact that I dislike Italians.. Bunch of fucking cunts! ,I don't mind admitting it, obviously before somebody says... What every Italian you xenophobic bastard..
No I mean most Italians!, racist sexist, Nazi, fascist cunts....
At least the Germans admitted they were cunts! |
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I'm half Italian and all my family on my fathers side are Italian. .
I won't hold it against you!
I'm half Irish half wolfhound!"
Sometimes keyboards and alcohol do not mix.
I may be wrong. But to the outside observer this is one of those times.
Racist ranting on a forum is very unbecoming and likely to cause needless offense.
If your post is ironic/sarcastic, you may want to make it a little more obvious.
Otherwise if you are serious then you open yourself to accusations of being a cunt. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true.
The two links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gRvBp7wX8
and the second
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
This is how it starts...
you give a link to an edited video..(pretty much staged to promote the expression of the flag bearers intent)
then give a link to something that is not prosecutable(it it explains that in the article)
As I've said..neither types interest me..the contrived need for publicity on both events is only to cause outrage and skew peoples viewpoints to an agenda
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I wonder why she got arrested and he didn't though. Has anyone got a link to see what she did because I don't see why she would be arrested for carrying a flag if the other one wasn't |
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
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I'm half Italian and all my family on my fathers side are Italian. .
I won't hold it against you!
I'm half Irish half wolfhound!
Sometimes keyboards and alcohol do not mix.
I may be wrong. But to the outside observer this is one of those times.
Racist ranting on a forum is very unbecoming and likely to cause needless offense.
If your post is ironic/sarcastic, you may want to make it a little more obvious.
Otherwise if you are serious then you open yourself to accusations of being a cunt."
hello pot its mr kettle! |
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"^^^^^^^^^^
I'm half Italian and all my family on my fathers side are Italian. .
I won't hold it against you!
I'm half Irish half wolfhound!
Sometimes keyboards and alcohol do not mix.
I may be wrong. But to the outside observer this is one of those times.
Racist ranting on a forum is very unbecoming and likely to cause needless offense.
If your post is ironic/sarcastic, you may want to make it a little more obvious.
Otherwise if you are serious then you open yourself to accusations of being a cunt."
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I'm in the middle of a d*unken sarcastic dispute between me and humanity and I'm winning because humanity's a sober fucking idiot!
Either that or I'm really d*unk! |
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true.
The two links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gRvBp7wX8
and the second
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
This is how it starts...
you give a link to an edited video..(pretty much staged to promote the expression of the flag bearers intent)
then give a link to something that is not prosecutable(it it explains that in the article)
As I've said..neither types interest me..the contrived need for publicity on both events is only to cause outrage and skew peoples viewpoints to an agenda
I wonder why she got arrested and he didn't though. Has anyone got a link to see what she did because I don't see why she would be arrested for carrying a flag if the other one wasn't"
Here you go,
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/80614/edl-wrong-over-flagflyer-arrest? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"So someone was aloud to flag of Isis outside the house of commons and get away with
While a british woman was told by police to stop weating a union jack flag in oldham cause it was racist.
Where the freedom of speech there.
That didn't happen.
Yeah, but a bloke at a pub knew a bloke who read something once, maybe. Must be true.
The two links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gRvBp7wX8
and the second
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
This is how it starts...
you give a link to an edited video..(pretty much staged to promote the expression of the flag bearers intent)
then give a link to something that is not prosecutable(it it explains that in the article)
As I've said..neither types interest me..the contrived need for publicity on both events is only to cause outrage and skew peoples viewpoints to an agenda
I wonder why she got arrested and he didn't though. Has anyone got a link to see what she did because I don't see why she would be arrested for carrying a flag if the other one wasn't"
Ok I found a few, so it seems she didn't get arrested, she got a different flag taken off her that police thought was "an inappropriate message"
The police don't say what the message was...but I am still none the wiser why the Isis flag wasn't deemed "inappropriate" too. |
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The police don't say what the message was...but I am still none the wiser why the Isis flag wasn't deemed "inappropriate" too."
Maybe for several reasons...
1 - The fact that this flag had a written message may have made it easier to spot/identify/be angered by.
2 - Maybe no one at the scene of the Isis flag approached the police at that time to complain about it - it's easy to identify from photos afterwards.
But why does one affect actions upon the other?
If the police arrive at a burglary and catch the culprit should they say "we didn't arrest every burglar today so we have to let you go"? |
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The police don't say what the message was...but I am still none the wiser why the Isis flag wasn't deemed "inappropriate" too.
Maybe for several reasons...
1 - The fact that this flag had a written message may have made it easier to spot/identify/be angered by.
2 - Maybe no one at the scene of the Isis flag approached the police at that time to complain about it - it's easy to identify from photos afterwards.
But why does one affect actions upon the other?
If the police arrive at a burglary and catch the culprit should they say "we didn't arrest every burglar today so we have to let you go"?"
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I wave my jolly Rodger on every rally... Nobody's complained so far! |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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The police don't say what the message was...but I am still none the wiser why the Isis flag wasn't deemed "inappropriate" too.
Maybe for several reasons...
1 - The fact that this flag had a written message may have made it easier to spot/identify/be angered by.
2 - Maybe no one at the scene of the Isis flag approached the police at that time to complain about it - it's easy to identify from photos afterwards.
But why does one affect actions upon the other?
If the police arrive at a burglary and catch the culprit should they say "we didn't arrest every burglar today so we have to let you go"?"
2,It does say on the article the police spoke to the man.
I think your last comment was a bit silly to be fair so it would seem pointless of me to answer it |
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that black flag with Arabic writing on it, it's so easy to mistake it for somebody else's black flag with white markings... Like black beards.. No no not black beard I meant red beard!
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Not very often you can explain something with a quote from Ali G, but in the case of EDL you very much can,
"I has heard both sides of the argument, I don't understand it much, but I is well up for a ruck anyway"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My fav news report of the day .... pictures of the marchers in Liverpool hiding behind the shutters of the lost luggage kiosk in the rail station while crowds attempt to pelt them with eggs.
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Well done to all those that attended,
Lets hope that's the last we see and hear from them |
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"My fav news report of the day .... pictures of the marchers in Liverpool hiding behind the shutters of the lost luggage kiosk in the rail station while crowds attempt to pelt them with eggs.
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So this is how democracy works ,if someone says something you don't agree with pelt them with eggs, |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"My fav news report of the day .... pictures of the marchers in Liverpool hiding behind the shutters of the lost luggage kiosk in the rail station while crowds attempt to pelt them with eggs.
So this is how democracy works ,if someone says something you don't agree with pelt them with eggs, "
It's what the SNP do.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/jim-murphy-suspends-referendum-tour-after-egging-1-3524774 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The whole purpose of democracy is to allow freedom of speech for all sections of society.
Yes some will be deemed distasteful by virtue of their beliefs and perspectives, but quashing their voice doesn't represent freedom of speech for all.
That's why we have laws that govern their voice and to cater for intentional offence or the inciting of hatred. I think we should be proud of the fact we have a Country that fights to keep a balance regardless of the negative isolated incidents. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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The march in Liverpool died on its' arse. Looking at the photos of the racists wearing black, faces concealed (white hoods must be out this year), I thought it ironic they were so against burkas as the effect was very similar. |
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"My fav news report of the day .... pictures of the marchers in Liverpool hiding behind the shutters of the lost luggage kiosk in the rail station while crowds attempt to pelt them with eggs.
So this is how democracy works ,if someone says something you don't agree with pelt them with eggs, "
yep. Especially when they threaten to start riots if they are not allowed to march.
Should of been hard boiled eggs !
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"Hey, if Muslim hate rallys are legal, then why shouldn't these be? Equal rights and all that.
Muslim hate rallies?
Muslim...hate...rallies...
No even repeating it slowly, it is still a pile of contrived Britain first half truth.
Anyway freedom of speech hurts sometimes. But it is worth hurting for. Trust me, a world without it hurts a lot more.
Let pricks be pricks.
These marches are great. We can see all the bell-ends in one place and make sure we never have to deal with them in real life.
You must've never seen the extreme Islam protests where they make inflammatory statements (eg death to British soldiers).
They're not great. What a pompous statement, it's a terrible state to be in where our country is so divisive. "
I would hate to live in Luton after seeing one of the Anti British Muslim marches
It was terrifying |
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Throwing food is a long held English traditional pastime.
It was a regular occurance before some fool invented TV to pop down to the stocks for some food throwing.
Great interactive entertainment.
Of course in them days only the posh could afford to throw eggs.
And people say living standards have not risen, yet we have the peasant folk throwing eggs.
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"Throwing food is a long held English traditional pastime.
It was a regular occurance before some fool invented TV to pop down to the stocks for some food throwing.
Great interactive entertainment.
Of course in them days only the posh could afford to throw eggs.
And people say living standards have not risen, yet we have the peasant folk throwing eggs.
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peasant folk? |
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"I thought all northern folk were peasants
pie chips and mushy peas folks. Wouldnt dream of throwing that at anyone tho.
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Good job it's not curry sauce they are flinging. Now that would sting the eyes. |
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