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Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front . |
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If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front . "
I'm happy to report the milk of human kindness doesn't leave a sour taste in my mouth.....  |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront? |
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If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
I'm happy to report the milk of human kindness doesn't leave a sour taste in my mouth..... "
. I don't think we can afford to run the health service based on kindness. What about those whose operations are delayed or refused access to certain services because of health tourists . |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front . "
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............? |
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x"
Mexico/US border. East Coast of America (around the Gulf). Syrian borders.
I don't think refugees are coming for the free healthcare, it's more likely to escape poor living conditions. |
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............?"
People have died in the U.S. from tooth infections due to the lack of affordable health care. It's disgusting that people would begrudge someone's health just because they're not British. |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
Yes!
National Health Service not International Health Service |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible |
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If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
I'm happy to report the milk of human kindness doesn't leave a sour taste in my mouth..... "
would you have made a contribution to the Lorenc Hoxha situation/case back in early June? |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible "
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? |
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Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top. |
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............?"
. It is the tourists responsibility to have a valid insurance policy . |
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Mexico/US border. East Coast of America (around the Gulf). Syrian borders.
I don't think refugees are coming for the free healthcare, it's more likely to escape poor living conditions. "
Yes they are coming for a better life and away from war legitimate asylum I have no problem but those queueing in Calais are mostly male most using mobile phones and those who come and think they can take the piss out of our system x |
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Mexico/US border. East Coast of America (around the Gulf). Syrian borders.
I don't think refugees are coming for the free healthcare, it's more likely to escape poor living conditions.
Yes they are coming for a better life and away from war legitimate asylum I have no problem but those queueing in Calais are mostly male most using mobile phones and those who come and think they can take the piss out of our system x"
"Most"? Are you taking entrance surveys of all migrants?
It's hard to take you seriously with the racist undertone of your comments. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I checked the numbers because I couldn't remember.
Very rough figures suggest that people deliberately coming to the UK to access free treatment, costs somewhere between £110 million and £280 million a year, but it's very difficult to estimate.
I wouldn't want to see anyone denied emergency or urgent healthcare because they can't afford to pay for it.
However, I don't think people should be able to travel here from other countries just to access healthcare.
If they happen to be here and fall ill or are in an accident, they should be treated.
We're one of the richest countries in the world. The NHS is in a state because that wealth is being mismanaged, so campaign for better management. We are not barbarians. |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top."
. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? "
There are some really lovely people on here, eh? |
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It's cheaper to buy a flight than to pay for medical care in their own countries. Plus they receive better care from NHS than they would in the own countries. Pregnant women arrive ready to give birth, once the baby is born they leave and guess what, the child now has a british passport. An added bonus. |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance?
There are some really lovely people on here, eh? "
Fucking mental and draconian. |
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"Far from racist just realist and yes I voted UKIP x"
Bully for you, however you're wrong about immigration and your comments are still slightly racist. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS "
And visitors to this country pay 20% tax on a fair bit of what they buy here.
In that respect they are UK tax payers. |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS "
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?! |
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"It's cheaper to buy a flight than to pay for medical care in their own countries. Plus they receive better care from NHS than they would in the own countries. Pregnant women arrive ready to give birth, once the baby is born they leave and guess what, the child now has a british passport. An added bonus. "
Factually untrue!
If you're born here you can only claim British citizenship if one of your parents is a British citizen or resident in the UK.
These right wing lies never stop. |
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"It's cheaper to buy a flight than to pay for medical care in their own countries. Plus they receive better care from NHS than they would in the own countries. Pregnant women arrive ready to give birth, once the baby is born they leave and guess what, the child now has a british passport. An added bonus. "
I would be really interested in seeing the report on that (The Sun doesn't count) |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? "
. It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?. |
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?. "
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?. "
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax. "
So children don't get healthcare until they are working then? |
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax.
So children don't get healthcare until they are working then? "
I'm happy to throw the kids a bone.
But if the right wing (and anyone else) don't wanna be paying for people who haven't paid in then they better look a little closer to home too in many cases. |
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax.
So children don't get healthcare until they are working then? "
Bloody parasites! |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?. "
What if it's not an approved medical service or the insurance supplier finds a reason to decline the claim (likely to happen as disputes always occur for large bills)?
Anyway, I can't think of one country where you'll be refused emergency medical care. It's ridiculous to suggest we should start. People still deserve to live even if they don't contribute to the NHS. |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment?"
. All foreign visitors here should have full insurance cover for medical issues . We all pay local taxes in the countries which we visit but that does not entitle us to free health care . For any large purchase , the visitor will probably reclaim the input VAT in any event . The VAT paid by visitors is immaterial compared to the cost to the NHS of some of the services which they use . |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I checked the numbers because I couldn't remember.
Very rough figures suggest that people deliberately coming to the UK to access free treatment, costs somewhere between £110 million and £280 million a year, but it's very difficult to estimate.
I wouldn't want to see anyone denied emergency or urgent healthcare because they can't afford to pay for it.
However, I don't think people should be able to travel here from other countries just to access healthcare.
If they happen to be here and fall ill or are in an accident, they should be treated.
We're one of the richest countries in the world. The NHS is in a state because that wealth is being mismanaged, so campaign for better management. We are not barbarians."
So about 1 day of the NHS.
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment?. All foreign visitors here should have full insurance cover for medical issues . We all pay local taxes in the countries which we visit but that does not entitle us to free health care . For any large purchase , the visitor will probably reclaim the input VAT in any event . The VAT paid by visitors is immaterial compared to the cost to the NHS of some of the services which they use . "
Can you provide figures to support that? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax. "
And no NI in lots of low wage earners. |
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"Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
I'd like checks done first to make sure those people have actually paid enough into the system also.
If you're on minimum wage, and with the tax threshold increase, you're not paying a lot of tax.
And no NI in lots of low wage earners."
Indeed.
A lot of those who bash socialism are the primary recipients of it. |
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This is a socialist country and has been for 80 years despite the efforts of the wealthy to kill it!
Socialism wasnt created, it was in everyone from the beginning and is a basic instinct of humans!
Now the problem is not our NHS!, it's the fact we keep 5 billion people in abject poverty to propagate a system that in reality is no different to the national lottery!
There's enough for everyone's need but not for everyone's greed!
Think about that for five minutes and try to comprehend what you need in life to have a happy one.
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment?. All foreign visitors here should have full insurance cover for medical issues . We all pay local taxes in the countries which we visit but that does not entitle us to free health care . For any large purchase , the visitor will probably reclaim the input VAT in any event . The VAT paid by visitors is immaterial compared to the cost to the NHS of some of the services which they use .
Can you provide figures to support that?"
. No , but unless the visitor is buying a lot of Vatable goods , the contribution would be insignificant . They will reclaim the input VAT on large items..
In any event as opposed to spending money a health tourist is more likely to land at an airport near a hospital and go straight to it for treatment . |
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front . "
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
Pfft!"
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-confused-immigration-read/19305 |
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Kos and other Greek islands."
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Kos and other Greek islands.
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There are approx. 6k migrants at Calais.
An estmiated 30k migrants have made it to Greece this year, let alone Malta/Lampadosa or Italy |
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Kos and other Greek islands.
There are approx. 6k migrants at Calais.
An estmiated 30k migrants have made it to Greece this year, let alone Malta/Lampadosa or Italy"
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment?. All foreign visitors here should have full insurance cover for medical issues . We all pay local taxes in the countries which we visit but that does not entitle us to free health care . For any large purchase , the visitor will probably reclaim the input VAT in any event . The VAT paid by visitors is immaterial compared to the cost to the NHS of some of the services which they use .
Can you provide figures to support that?. No , but unless the visitor is buying a lot of Vatable goods , the contribution would be insignificant . They will reclaim the input VAT on large items..
In any event as opposed to spending money a health tourist is more likely to land at an airport near a hospital and go straight to it for treatment . "
As I've already pointed out, that sort of health tourism costs an estimated £110-280 million per year. That's a tiny fraction of the cost of the NHS.
The VAST majority of the £1.8 billion cost is non-residents having to use NHS services whilst they are here, NOT people travelling here just to get free treatment.
And unlike you I can give sources for my figures.
I can't put them on here because of the rules about sites we can post links to, but the figures are easy to find, or I can advise how to find them. |
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Jesus some bleeding hearts on here,its not rascism just realism I bet the people who are all for this mass immigration dont live in the areas blighted by it,its doing nothing for this country except reduce living standards,wages and increase pressure on housing,and the nhs,if you cant see this your eyes must be painted on!  |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread. |
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread."
I've read several accounts that differ hugely from the red top hysteria we're being fed. I would be interested to see the article but I think that many people have made their minds up already. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread.
I've read several accounts that differ hugely from the red top hysteria we're being fed. I would be interested to see the article but I think that many people have made their minds up already."
Are you on Facebook? I can point you to the original of so. |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?. I can answer yes to that question. If I go abroad I ensure that I have a full insurance policy to cover illness as I know that I would be refused treatment otherwise . As such I expect anyone visiting the UK to have a similar policy . The resources of the NHS are not unlimited and should only be made available to those who are eligible
You'd let someone die cos they don't have travel insurance? . It is the responsibility of the traveller to arrange insurance . What vaslid reason can you list for someone arriving in the UK with none . If I go abroad I would be refused treatment if I could not pay. Why should anyone use the service free of charge and deprive those who are awaiting their turn in the queue.?.
How about people, with numerous kids, who have never worked. Virtually the only tax they pay is VAT.
Foreign visitors pay VAT during the time they are here.
The first group are entitled to NHS treatment. Are the second group really less deserving if they need emergency or urgent treatment?. All foreign visitors here should have full insurance cover for medical issues . We all pay local taxes in the countries which we visit but that does not entitle us to free health care . For any large purchase , the visitor will probably reclaim the input VAT in any event . The VAT paid by visitors is immaterial compared to the cost to the NHS of some of the services which they use .
Can you provide figures to support that?. No , but unless the visitor is buying a lot of Vatable goods , the contribution would be insignificant . They will reclaim the input VAT on large items..
In any event as opposed to spending money a health tourist is more likely to land at an airport near a hospital and go straight to it for treatment .
As I've already pointed out, that sort of health tourism costs an estimated £110-280 million per year. That's a tiny fraction of the cost of the NHS.
The VAST majority of the £1.8 billion cost is non-residents having to use NHS services whilst they are here, NOT people travelling here just to get free treatment.
And unlike you I can give sources for my figures.
I can't put them on here because of the rules about sites we can post links to, but the figures are easy to find, or I can advise how to find them."
If the £1.8 billion is an actual loss to the system, then they should consider increasing the charges? |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!"
Or the Daily Mail who's owner is French for tax reasons. And also a close friend of Cameron |
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread.
I've read several accounts that differ hugely from the red top hysteria we're being fed. I would be interested to see the article but I think that many people have made their minds up already.
Are you on Facebook? I can point you to the original of so."
No but I can easily track it down I was just being lazy  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread.
I've read several accounts that differ hugely from the red top hysteria we're being fed. I would be interested to see the article but I think that many people have made their minds up already."
It saves time to enter a subject with your mind made up.
I accept we're not a bottomless pit but we're also not poor as a country. What we are is wasteful and selfish. Of course there should be safeguards against abuse of the systems but that applies to those here too, who feel a sense of being owed something by virtue of being lucky enough to have been born here and think anyone without such luck deserves to suffer.
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"It's cheaper to buy a flight than to pay for medical care in their own countries. Plus they receive better care from NHS than they would in the own countries. Pregnant women arrive ready to give birth, once the baby is born they leave and guess what, the child now has a british passport. An added bonus.
Factually untrue!
If you're born here you can only claim British citizenship if one of your parents is a British citizen or resident in the UK.
These right wing lies never stop. "
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
Well said
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
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"Jesus some bleeding hearts on here,its not rascism just realism I bet the people who are all for this mass immigration dont live in the areas blighted by it,its doing nothing for this country except reduce living standards,wages and increase pressure on housing,and the nhs,if you cant see this your eyes must be painted on! "
But without migrant workers the NHS would collapse? So how aere immigrants increasing pressure?
And immigrants have no immediate right to housing - so how are they increasing pressure on that?
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"Has anyone ever put out statistics covering the costs incurred by overseas health services by Brits falling ill abroad? "
The cost in areas like magaluf and ibiza of policing brits and dealing with those that end up in hospital is significant. But I suspect people will argue that is different |
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread."
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She could be as biased as the red tops though?
Arguing about how many people climbed over a fence in Calais tends to cure counting irregularities but not humanitarian needs!
So let's examine the problem in a bit more detail.
Two thirds of the world are living in poverty and with inadequate government and inadequate infrastructure!
Now this is not unfixable, in fact it's quite an easy thing to fix, if we actually take this problem seriously!
It requires some small changes in the west with its attitude towards foreign policy, some massive restructuring of foreign debt and some serious work by the un with some military backing by western nations
Now ask yourself will the party you voted for do those changes needed?...
I say that because in reality what the differences are actually just a break in tradition with how we've dealt with the so called third world for way to many generations. |
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Am I somewhat missing the point here?
The fact is because of war torn countries, oppressive regimes or simply the economic benefits of the west, migrants are travelling from Africa, the middle and far east for a better life in Europe. Syrians and Libyans are simply taking to the sea in unfit boats in an attempt to gain a better life in the west. Unfortunately the vessels are unsafe so by simply setting sail they are then collected and transported to Italy and Greece, where factually Germany and the UK are the destinations of choice... why???
should we simply send a ship a day to these countries and say 'don't risk those unsafe rafts,,, anyone who wants to jump aboard'....
why if people are claiming asylum aren't they claiming it in the first neutral country of arrival?
why do they automatically say they are fleeing oppression and know full well that by claiming to be from a war torn country they will never be sent to their country of origin so burn their documents?
the fact Britain is a soft touch with the benefits system...we possibly all know families of 3rd generation british unemployed who have numerous children... I think everyone has the choice to have as many kids as they wish.... on the condition that they can be supported.... by benefits?
with disability living, carers allowance and job seekers some are better off than lower paid ... is that just?
I am not saying what is or isn't,,,, in a civilised society we have the moral obligation and benevolence to look after those who have fallen on hard times.... those who are unemployed by a lack of opportunity or circumstances beyond their control, or does that include by choice?
I think multinationals that refuse to pay tax should be banned... other organisations would soon fill the gap... there's more than 3 or 4 national coffee shops and Google/ amazon wouldn't simply boycott the uk... or would they?
but where do we draw the line? how many can we take?
do we open all boarders and simply say howay in folks....
for discussion????????
what is the answer????
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Immigration is a hot-button issue in developed countries such as the United States, UK and France. Migration, on the other hand, is a topic of anthropological interest. There are times when migration of a population set to another country sets off political strife owing resistance from the native population, a struggle for resources, or backlash from the native labour pool in a struggle for jobs or other resources.
I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread..
She could be as biased as the red tops though?
Arguing about how many people climbed over a fence in Calais tends to cure counting irregularities but not humanitarian needs!
So let's examine the problem in a bit more detail.
Two thirds of the world are living in poverty and with inadequate government and inadequate infrastructure!
Now this is not unfixable, in fact it's quite an easy thing to fix, if we actually take this problem seriously!
It requires some small changes in the west with its attitude towards foreign policy, some massive restructuring of foreign debt and some serious work by the un with some military backing by western nations
Now ask yourself will the party you voted for do those changes needed?...
I say that because in reality what the differences are actually just a break in tradition with how we've dealt with the so called third world for way to many generations."
They were actually standing in "The Jungle" talking to people there. I doubt many of the anti-immigration posse have done that.
They've posted photos of the conditions and the accounts of some of the people in the camps.
It's a factual account of their experiences. That's more than can be said for any of the propaganda we're being fed. |
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"I read an account written by a woman who has just been to Calais to take supplies to the camps. She's planning to make a documentary there soon.
Her account was very interesting and differs significantly from the propaganda being spread by the anti-immigration lot.
If enough people are interested I'll cut and paste it into a thread..
She could be as biased as the red tops though?
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she could well be but unless you read all the information you can find about something and then question everything you read you will never form an independent opinion. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"And the bottom line is a woman comes in to A&E with, I dunno, appendicitis, septicemia or following a car crash - you're gonna say, 'Sorry, you're not UK born, can't treat you!'
I mean really!"
Yep, apparently, according to some on this thread, that's exactly how it should be. Be a UK resident, pay or fuck off somewhere else to suffer and die.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x"
Thats not why migrants come to the UK - we take less migrants than most of the other EU countries as it goes.
A lot of health tourists are expats. |
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over a year ago
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"Immigration is a hot-button issue in developed countries such as the United States, UK and France. Migration, on the other hand, is a topic of anthropological interest. There are times when migration of a population set to another country sets off political strife owing resistance from the native population, a struggle for resources, or backlash from the native labour pool in a struggle for jobs or other resources.
I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x"
Ah yes... on the topic of the floodgates and EU economic migration, I found this very interesting. Again it doesn't quite match what we're being fed by our government and their pet media sources.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Thats not why migrants come to the UK - we take less migrants than most of the other EU countries as it goes.
A lot of health tourists are expats. "
Don't be silly, we take them all. And give them big houses, new cars and breadmakers. |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
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"And this not surprising to you why do you think all the migrants come to the uk. To get a free ride do you see the commotion at Calais anywhere else x
Thats not why migrants come to the UK - we take less migrants than most of the other EU countries as it goes.
A lot of health tourists are expats.
Don't be silly, we take them all. And give them big houses, new cars and breadmakers. "
Breadmakers! That's one step too far |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"This is a socialist country and has been for 80 years despite the efforts of the wealthy to kill it!
Socialism wasnt created, it was in everyone from the beginning and is a basic instinct of humans!
Now the problem is not our NHS!, it's the fact we keep 5 billion people in abject poverty to propagate a system that in reality is no different to the national lottery!
There's enough for everyone's need but not for everyone's greed!
Think about that for five minutes and try to comprehend what you need in life to have a happy one.
And what you just want because it's there"
I only wish that this was a socialist country. It really, really isn't. There are some vestiges of a mixed economy slowly being choked by the right - the NHS is one. |
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The basic problem is with PGs surgeries and community care.
Many problems that end up in A&E are as a result of people not being treated quickly enough or not being able to access the help they need locally.
It's not the fault of migrants, it's a lack of investment and the continuing cuts to social care budgets.
Amongst other things... |
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"Jesus some bleeding hearts on here,its not rascism just realism I bet the people who are all for this mass immigration dont live in the areas blighted by it,its doing nothing for this country except reduce living standards,wages and increase pressure on housing,and the nhs,if you cant see this your eyes must be painted on!
But without migrant workers the NHS would collapse? So how aere immigrants increasing pressure?
And immigrants have no immediate right to housing - so how are they increasing pressure on that?
And how do immigrants reduce wages?"
lol how naive train up British people to work in the health service?pressure on housing because landlord would rather rent a three bed hmo to 6,8 or 10 immigrants happy to live on crap circumstances than a family,pressure on wages,err when you have people flooding in desperate for work at any rate,firms are only too happy to take advantage,construction,agriculture,haulage,cleaning ad nauseum |
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"Has anyone ever put out statistics covering the costs incurred by overseas health services by Brits falling ill abroad? "
. Any UK citizen with any common sense will have taken out an insurance policy before travelling abroad . In some countries you will also have to pay for the costs upfront .
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"Jesus some bleeding hearts on here,its not rascism just realism I bet the people who are all for this mass immigration dont live in the areas blighted by it,its doing nothing for this country except reduce living standards,wages and increase pressure on housing,and the nhs,if you cant see this your eyes must be painted on!
But without migrant workers the NHS would collapse? So how aere immigrants increasing pressure?
And immigrants have no immediate right to housing - so how are they increasing pressure on that?
And how do immigrants reduce wages?lol how naive train up British people to work in the health service?pressure on housing because landlord would rather rent a three bed hmo to 6,8 or 10 immigrants happy to live on crap circumstances than a family,pressure on wages,err when you have people flooding in desperate for work at any rate,firms are only too happy to take advantage,construction,agriculture,haulage,cleaning ad nauseum "
So firms are responsible, not immigrants?
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x"
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............?"
The Spanish do this... we were in Spain earlier in the year and J broke her ankle. Went to hospital, first question was have you got you EHIC card, which we did. If not the next question would have been have you got your health insurance, if not the next question would have been have you got your credit card.
You have to prove the ability to pay in order to get proper treatment. Otherwise it's just patch up and go. |
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????"
dangerous ground that. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Has anyone ever put out statistics covering the costs incurred by overseas health services by Brits falling ill abroad? . Any UK citizen with any common sense will have taken out an insurance policy before travelling abroad . In some countries you will also have to pay for the costs upfront . "
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????"
The right ones being the people that can put something back into society and not be a drain on it x |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Has anyone ever put out statistics covering the costs incurred by overseas health services by Brits falling ill abroad? . Any UK citizen with any common sense will have taken out an insurance policy before travelling abroad . In some countries you will also have to pay for the costs upfront . "
I'm starting to wonder if you sell insurance. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????
The right ones being the people that can put something back into society and not be a drain on it x"
but then you have to be aware that as a percentage of the population, people coming into the country... those damn pesky immigrants, actually claim less benefits then those who were born here.....
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!"
Most British pension funds will have money invested in Vodafone . Investors who are the ordinary hard working British public expect companies to organise their affairs in the most tax efficient manner . A very significant proportion of the British public are dependent on the success of Vodafone . Pensioners with investments rely on it for dividend income . |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????
The right ones being the people that can put something back into society and not be a drain on it x"
See my link above about EU economic immigration and see if it aligns with what you've been lead to believe is the case.
It's about EU migrants claiming unemployment benefit and it might surprise a few people. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????
The right ones being the people that can put something back into society and not be a drain on it x
but then you have to be aware that as a percentage of the population, people coming into the country... those damn pesky immigrants, actually claim less benefits then those who were born here.....
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Again, see my link on EU economic migration. It's not quite the picture we're usually given. |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!
Most British pension funds will have money invested in Vodafone . Investors who are the ordinary hard working British public expect companies to organise their affairs in the most tax efficient manner . A very significant proportion of the British public are dependent on the success of Vodafone . Pensioners with investments rely on it for dividend income . "
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Maybe it's time we moved to an honest money system then, where people save their money from the work they do and then use those savings for their retirement!
Of course in a system like we run now based on massive debt offset by inflation and financialised industry that's impossible but crucially massively open to corruption |
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I think some people are getting confused the uk was built on Immigration. But it is all about letting the right people in and not having the borders/floodgates open to everyone x
oooh... i know this is one of those "UKIP" hot button phrases..... letting the right ones in!!!
the right ones being?????
The right ones being the people that can put something back into society and not be a drain on it x
but then you have to be aware that as a percentage of the population, people coming into the country... those damn pesky immigrants, actually claim less benefits then those who were born here.....
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Indeed sir and they who do put back into the community and society. Been like this for centuries, West Indies/bus drivers for example x |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!
Most British pension funds will have money invested in Vodafone . Investors who are the ordinary hard working British public expect companies to organise their affairs in the most tax efficient manner . A very significant proportion of the British public are dependent on the success of Vodafone . Pensioners with investments rely on it for dividend income . .
Maybe it's time we moved to an honest money system then, where people save their money from the work they do and then use those savings for their retirement!
Of course in a system like we run now based on massive debt offset by inflation and financialised industry that's impossible but crucially massively open to corruption"
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Positives
In the 1950,s Britain set up recruitment centres in the West Indies to recruit bus drivers and bus conductors for the UK. There was great difficulty recruiting British people to do many so-called menial jobs for the wages on offer, and there were also recruitment campaigns for jobs in hospitals, The London Underground Railway, and the national railways. Incentives were offered in the form of cheap sea passages, and there were training programs for the immigrants about British Society. Some of these, such as how to queue at a bus stop, seem faintly ridiculous nowadays!
Just putting it out there incentives and rewards not welfare x |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!
Most British pension funds will have money invested in Vodafone . Investors who are the ordinary hard working British public expect companies to organise their affairs in the most tax efficient manner . A very significant proportion of the British public are dependent on the success of Vodafone . Pensioners with investments rely on it for dividend income . "
yes as are all of the other multinationals that 'off shore' call centres and admin functions.... by reducing expenditure (wages and taxes) and investing in foreign economies they are certainly maximising profits for shareholders and pensions... good job as all those cost cutting exercises are removing jobs....
all the self service checkouts... all the closures of banking halls and automated replacements... the entire support functions sent overseas... great ways to increase profits to invest in by the pensions....
good job as they will certainly be needed by all those left unemployed....
yes you guessed it world economics aren't my career,,, but profits need to be off-set against the needs of the country as a whole...not just who hope to increase their pension pot or are shareholders in multinational's and looking for their yearly dividends or share price rises... |
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"That's not quite accurate.
The £1.8 billion (which is the figure I heard) is made up mainly of non-residents needing to use the NHS during visits here. Some of that treatment is chargeable but only about £500 million if I remember, and only 15% is ever actually paid.
The cost of non-residents travelling to the UK for free care, which is what I consider health tourism to mean, is a small part of the £1.8 billion total. I can't remember the actual figure though.
As usual this is a twisting of the figures to suit the anti-immigration agenda of some.
Do we really want to be a nation that would deny emergency or urgent medical treatment to non-residents who are visiting the country unless they can afford to pay for it upfront?"
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"Positives
In the 1950,s Britain set up recruitment centres in the West Indies to recruit bus drivers and bus conductors for the UK. There was great difficulty recruiting British people to do many so-called menial jobs for the wages on offer, and there were also recruitment campaigns for jobs in hospitals, The London Underground Railway, and the national railways. Incentives were offered in the form of cheap sea passages, and there were training programs for the immigrants about British Society. Some of these, such as how to queue at a bus stop, seem faintly ridiculous nowadays!
Just putting it out there incentives and rewards not welfare x"
those who have a positive contribution to the country and society... and those who they support... those who integrate... multicultural society all day in my book.... not a nation of free loaders and scammers.... |
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"Imagine if all the companies currently avoiding tax actually paid proportionally the same tax as you or I do.
What is spent on people's health care is a tiny drop in the ocean in comparison to the money that's tightly gripped by those at the top.. Those at the top pay a much greater percentage of tax than those at the bottom. In addition as they are likely to have private health insurance , they are much less likely to use the NHS
So there is no such thing as companies registering their business to avoid paying taxes on profits made on British soil?
Google? Amazon? Vodafone?!
Most British pension funds will have money invested in Vodafone . Investors who are the ordinary hard working British public expect companies to organise their affairs in the most tax efficient manner . A very significant proportion of the British public are dependent on the success of Vodafone . Pensioners with investments rely on it for dividend income . .
Maybe it's time we moved to an honest money system then, where people save their money from the work they do and then use those savings for their retirement!
Of course in a system like we run now based on massive debt offset by inflation and financialised industry that's impossible but crucially massively open to corruption
I like you, comrade. "
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Letting people in, not letting people in...
It's not really solving anything is it?
Let's say I let 3000 Eritreans in at Calais, how does that help the million other Eritreans who are being/have been conscripted already?
Let's say I don't let the 3000 Eritreans in, well they aint going back so they mill around Europe for years with no job and no food and no health care... What's that turn the society you live in into!, not one I wish as a future and Eritrea remains a shit hole and we argue about stuff for generations!
WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM???
STOP TRYING TO CURE THE FUCKING SYMPTOMS??? |
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nhs needs help....our border forces need help....housing needs help...lets close our borders and sort our selves out first,fuck helping the world and look after our own.as for overseas aid don't get me started,shit happens people die NEVER MIND |
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"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............?
The Spanish do this... we were in Spain earlier in the year and J broke her ankle. Went to hospital, first question was have you got you EHIC card, which we did. If not the next question would have been have you got your health insurance, if not the next question would have been have you got your credit card.
You have to prove the ability to pay in order to get proper treatment. Otherwise it's just patch up and go."
I thought you were entitled to free healthcare if you used the EHIC - or am I wrong? |
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I am soo tired of anti-immigration propaganda that's put across as 'fact' ...
Would you also have expats charged up front too?
Ffs, treat people who need medical treatment with some damn compassion.
Maybe also pay attention to the U.S. Health System that is utterly deplorable for those that cannot afford it and view the 'tent cities' that go up every so often to offer basic healthcare to those that cannot afford it & then compare the difference between that example and a third world country..... 
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"nhs needs help....our border forces need help....housing needs help...lets close our borders and sort our selves out first,fuck helping the world and look after our own.as for overseas aid don't get me started,shit happens people die NEVER MIND"
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"nhs needs help....our border forces need help....housing needs help...lets close our borders and sort our selves out first,fuck helping the world and look after our own.as for overseas aid don't get me started,shit happens people die NEVER MIND"
Loving it, loving it, loving it x |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"nhs needs help....our border forces need help....housing needs help...lets close our borders and sort our selves out first,fuck helping the world and look after our own.as for overseas aid don't get me started,shit happens people die NEVER MIND"
I have no words.
Well, I do, but most of them would get me put on the naughty step again, so I'll stick simply to:
Moron. |
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"nhs needs help....our border forces need help....housing needs help...lets close our borders and sort our selves out first,fuck helping the world and look after our own.as for overseas aid don't get me started,shit happens people die NEVER MIND"
Even UKIP don't have a 'close our borders' policy so good luck with that. |
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"I am soo tired of anti-immigration propaganda that's put across as 'fact' ...
Would you also have expats charged up front too?
Ffs, treat people who need medical treatment with some damn compassion.
Maybe also pay attention to the U.S. Health System that is utterly deplorable for those that cannot afford it and view the 'tent cities' that go up every so often to offer basic healthcare to those that cannot afford it & then compare the difference between that example and a third world country.....
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by fuckin shite aye there's shit out there...
but the jam only spreads so thin.... and when the monies all gone???
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Someone showed me something today which said.
A banker, a worker and an immigrant sat at a table with 20 cookies on it. The banker took 19 and warned the worker that the immigrant was going to steal his. |
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over a year ago
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"Someone showed me something today which said.
A banker, a worker and an immigrant sat at a table with 20 cookies on it. The banker took 19 and warned the worker that the immigrant was going to steal his."
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Let's hope the the government start taking immediate action against health tourists . The cost to the taxpayer is totally unacceptable . A report in 2013 put the cost as up to £ 2 billion pounds .
Mainland Europeans are only entitled to a health card in their own counties if they or they employers contribute to their native national insurance scheme yet we are giving them to anyone who asks for one .
Anyone attempting to misuse our health system should be told to use the services available in their country of origin .
The NHS is not an unlimited resource and we all have a moral obligation to ensure that only those entitled to use it do so.
If payment is required again we should refuse the service unless the patient can pay in full up front .
As in, leave them lying in the gutter till their credit card is cleared for payment?
And when the Spanish, the Germans or the emergency guys at Cap d'Agde do the same.............?
The Spanish do this... we were in Spain earlier in the year and J broke her ankle. Went to hospital, first question was have you got you EHIC card, which we did. If not the next question would have been have you got your health insurance, if not the next question would have been have you got your credit card.
You have to prove the ability to pay in order to get proper treatment. Otherwise it's just patch up and go.
I thought you were entitled to free healthcare if you used the EHIC - or am I wrong? "
You are.... read what I wrote... if you don't have an EHIC, the next question they ask is about your health insurance... |
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