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"whats the cows cut of that? "They get to live - why, did you think they would be kept on if milk prices get too low to keep them?  | |||
"Well done them! I always shop at Morrisons, but genuinely feel guilty paying their too-low prices for milk. I'd gladly pay more if I know that it's supporting British producers! "Me too | |||
"whats the cows cut of that?
They get to live - why, did you think they would be kept on if milk prices get too low to keep them?
"I thought they might just walk about the fields. you know the way cows do? | |||
"whats the cows cut of that?
They get to live - why, did you think they would be kept on if milk prices get too low to keep them?
I thought they might just walk about the fields. you know the way cows do?
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"I'd like to think it would sell in sufficient quantities to make a difference, But I very much doubt it will, and in all honesty I probably wouldn't make a point of buying it over a similar product that was cheaper... The solution to the problem is too pay farmers a fair price in all circumstances ..... simple to say but in reality very difficult to implement in a free market situation... " | |||
"Fuck them its a free market" its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.. | |||
"Fuck them its a free market its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.." isnt 50% of dairy farmers income from subsidies? | |||
"Fuck them its a free market its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.." What were these tactics, might I enquire? | |||
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"Farmers will get another hand out from the taxpayer. Wish my business had subsidies like them." well if there was 300000 of you with shot guns perhaps you would | |||
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"Fuck them its a free market its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.. What were these tactics, might I enquire? " it was all over the media, the demanding or asking of payments from suppliers for product placement, late payments and deduction from the same without notifying the supplier.. think they are now under investigation for those and other issues.. | |||
"I thought all dairy farmers got a £28k per annum subsidy off the government? I will still buy the usual cravendale 2 for £3 in the local supermarket as I think it tastes nicer and it lasts longer." It's always wise to obtain as complete a picture as possible... It'd be interesting to know how far the 28k go... How much of the costs does it cover...? The link I placed on the other thread about American chicken farmers (http://youtu.be/X9wHzt6gBgI) was an eye opener... Things aren't always as the first appear. Either way, I hope you enjoy whichilk you choose to purchase | |||
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" What he meant to say was, that your generalisation, if not made in jest, may not be wholly true and in fact skint/struggling farmers are sadly quite prevalent." I suppose it's an experience thing. I've known many farmers over the years, and not met a skint one yet. My uncle is a farmer and last time I saw him he gave me a ride in his new Rolls Royce that he'd bought. So, based on my experience, my comment was entirely factual. Statistics at a national level may be different, I don't know, I have no idea I'd have to put so much research into a flippant forum post, but there you go. | |||
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" I suppose it's an experience thing. I've known many farmers over the years, and not met a skint one yet. My uncle is a farmer and last time I saw him he gave me a ride in his new Rolls Royce that he'd bought. So, based on my experience, my comment was entirely factual. Statistics at a national level may be different, I don't know, I have no idea I'd have to put so much research into a flippant forum post, but there you go." There you go indeed. The world is far vaster than the sum of our limited interactions. I don't know the statistics nationally either....which is why I didn't commit to a generalisation, one way or another. | |||
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",Put imply, there is too much capacity among milk producers. What happens in other industrie where there is excess capacity? Simpe...firms close. Are farmers any different? The excess of supply over demand is a market signal to the brightest farmers that they should get out and produce a more profitable crop" It's that eternal battle isn't it - between the workers and the shareholders. Who should get the biggest piece of the pie...? And at what point does the pie become so small that the shareholders cease sharing? | |||
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"Fuck them its a free market its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.. isnt 50% of dairy farmers income from subsidies? " Yes which allows them to buy themselves range rovers and top spec volvos for the wife....... | |||
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"Frigging joke. Cows milk is not meant for human consumption - we cannot assimilate the stuff it also leaches Calcium from the human body. Plant based milks are the only way to go they are healthy. I'm a nutritionist of 34yrs & NEVER advise any of my clients to touch cows milk. Check out the medical evidence. " http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/milk-dairy-foods.aspx suggests it's okay..... | |||
"The milk bottles will cost a 10p more but will Mean farmers recieve 10p per bottle... Sounds fair... Hopefully they'll recieve the support they need. Morrisons to create new milk brand for farmers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33857629" | |||
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"The milk bottles will cost a 10p more but will Mean farmers recieve 10p per bottle... Sounds fair... Hopefully they'll recieve the support they need. Morrisons to create new milk brand for farmers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33857629" They are just trying to find a way out of the negative story that is that they have been using their buying power for many years to put increasing pressure on farmers resulting in thousands of farmers going out of business. Not just Morrisons, I may add but most of the big supermarkets. While we Import milk from the continent- which is not sustainable in the long term. Its frankly shameful. (Sorry if these points have already been raised, not read the whole thread yet) | |||
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"Why can't they just give more per litre to the farmer for what they supply already?" Because they want to pass the cost to the consumer without driving customers away by putting the price of all the milk up. | |||
"What a load of marketing shit! Why don't they just force their suppliers to pay the producers a fair price? its just a ploy to fool the masses into thinking they are trying to help, just put all their milk up and make sure the increase filters through, the supermarkets have a lot to answer for in this country, want to support farmers go to the farm shop and get your milk form a milkman! Can you tell i used to be a dairy farmer?"  | |||
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"I'm surprised the Tories and their supporters aren't enraged by these subsidies. People getting money they're not earning, I thought we called them "shirkers" now? I need to check the new name-calling rulebook. " giving money to rich land owners? its only shirkin when some f****r in a satanic mill wants £7 an hour  | |||
"I'm surprised the Tories and their supporters aren't enraged by these subsidies. People getting money they're not earning, I thought we called them "shirkers" now? I need to check the new name-calling rulebook. giving money to rich land owners? its only shirkin when some f****r in a satanic mill wants £7 an hour "After looking it up, it seems I'm to use 'scrounger' instead of 'shirker'. That's the guidance in the Tory handbook. | |||
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"Living up in the hills of north Wales, where farming is one of the main industry's and livelihoods, there is some truth about not seeing skint farmers. However, they are generally asset wealthy but cash flow poor. They could cash in them assets, like land and livestock, but then they no longer farmers, and farms become factories and supermarkets. The big supermarkets should give us all the choice, cheaper milk from abroad, or slightly dearer milk from UK, as long as the difference goes all too the farmers." And the more farmers who stop producing milk in this country means several other things. 1) Firms that supply farmers with ancillary products, vets will lose business and jobs will be lost. 2) We will become more dependent on milk supplies from the continent and further. With the current problems with the Channel Tunnel and cross channel ferries, it`s easy to see that milk will be anything up to three or four days old before it even gets to the bottling plants in this country. | |||
"What a load of marketing shit! Why don't they just force their suppliers to pay the producers a fair price? its just a ploy to fool the masses into thinking they are trying to help, just put all their milk up and make sure the increase filters through, the supermarkets have a lot to answer for in this country, want to support farmers go to the farm shop and get your milk form a milkman! Can you tell i used to be a dairy farmer?" Agreed! It is all about the marketing here. A major supermarket is all about capitalism and looking for a way to make them look good to drive sales. Otherwise, they'd have simply dropped their margin instead of squeezing the farmers to the max, then passing the cost to the customer with a "yeah we'll help them out". Interestingly, as a kid, I never heard of a poor farmer and I'm sure there's plenty of truth in the early margins that took/reduced the milkman off the streets. Supermarkets execs definitely had the long term vision that has also taken out the local butchers and greengrocers. I've often thought that a supermarket should have crèche facilities so parents can shop in peace (though kids throwing everything in the trolley might be more profitable), a barbers so Mr can get his haircut, or better still a little pub so they can grab a pint whilst the better half shops. I'm sure if this happens (already happening?) then we can soon see other industries and trades being impacted! And I'm not saying capitalism is a bad or a good thing. Just an observation. I'm a social person, that enjoys democracy with a capitalist head and a communist heart that lives a (very) liberal lifestyle. Not sure if there is a political party for me! Lol | |||
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"Living up in the hills of north Wales, where farming is one of the main industry's and livelihoods, there is some truth about not seeing skint farmers. However, they are generally asset wealthy but cash flow poor. They could cash in them assets, like land and livestock, but then they no longer farmers, and farms become factories and supermarkets. The big supermarkets should give us all the choice, cheaper milk from abroad, or slightly dearer milk from UK, as long as the difference goes all too the farmers. And the more farmers who stop producing milk in this country means several other things. 1) Firms that supply farmers with ancillary products, vets will lose business and jobs will be lost. 2) We will become more dependent on milk supplies from the continent and further. With the current problems with the Channel Tunnel and cross channel ferries, it`s easy to see that milk will be anything up to three or four days old before it even gets to the bottling plants in this country. " I'm sure the supply wouldn't dry up! A whip round on fab would ensure plenty of milk...Though, it wouldn't be moo milk. #ManMilk #Ewww!!!! | |||
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"A fact, for every farmer there is 8 others employed within the food industry, farming and our daily food is quite important to us all? " Food security is also quite an important thing, apparently. | |||
"A fact, for every farmer there is 8 others employed within the food industry, farming and our daily food is quite important to us all? " How many other jobs were dependant on textiles? Ship building? etc etc Lets subsidise them all - subsidies for everyone!  | |||
"Fuck them its a free market its not though.. the large supermarkets have too much power and yes with that comes choice for the consumer when they play off prices etc but the recent tactics by tesco are more akin to organised crime than good practise.. What were these tactics, might I enquire? it was all over the media, the demanding or asking of payments from suppliers for product placement, late payments and deduction from the same without notifying the supplier.. think they are now under investigation for those and other issues.." These are fairly standard businness practice's and no one is compelled to suipply Tesco with goods . On a simplistic basis , if you do not like Tescos terms of business you do not have to do businness with them . What is under investigation is how Tesco accounted for these payments and the timing of it . ?. It was nothing to do with dishonesty but possibly poor accounting practice Anyone with a pension has a vested interest in the success of Tesco..Most pension funds rely on dividend income from companies such as Tesco in order to pay pensioners . Tesco are also generally recognised as being a good employer with both a generous pension scheme and also a good share option scheme . | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. " . Do you know any farmers. or have you ever worked on a farm.. It is a very hard life 365 days a year , 7 days a week and very early starting times . | |||
"A fact, for every farmer there is 8 others employed within the food industry, farming and our daily food is quite important to us all? How many other jobs were dependant on textiles? Ship building? etc etc Lets subsidise them all - subsidies for everyone! "The idea behind subsidisation is to guarantee food security, although it has deviated somewhat because now there are environmental subsidies that actually pay farmers not to farm. | |||
"A fact, for every farmer there is 8 others employed within the food industry, farming and our daily food is quite important to us all? How many other jobs were dependant on textiles? Ship building? etc etc Lets subsidise them all - subsidies for everyone!
The idea behind subsidisation is to guarantee food security, although it has deviated somewhat because now there are environmental subsidies that actually pay farmers not to farm. ". No we pay them to create space for nature to be nurtured.... It's still paying for a product, just like milk!. Were currently setting interest rates at 0.5% .... That's a fucking subsidy! We just spent 700 billon bailing out banks... That's a fucking subsidy! We had a programme for scrapping cars for rebates on new ones.. That's a fucking subsidy Tax credits... Fucking subsidy Child benefit.... Fucking subsidy Nuclear power is massively subsidised so is solar and wind The whole thing is a fustian bargain because in reality your kids are paying for your bargain! That's why wages have never followed efficiency | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. " as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . | |||
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"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . " £4.40 per hour? I think there's pride in working, but you really need to look at the work/life balance my friend! No time for swinging it seems. #MajorLifestyleDisaster | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . " Still - you can't deny there are very wealthy farmers out there. I should know, I'm a grazier and I rent land off them.  | |||
"Morrisons aren't giving the farmers any extra. They are charging the consumer (ie US), extra (should we choose to pay it), which they will pass on to their supplier, (mainly Arla), who they expect to pass it on to the farmers. Morrisons will still make the same amount no matter which milk you buy. Fantastic marketing and publicity, making people think that Morrisons are the good guys. And by the way, I've never seen a poor farmer either." i know of some very wealthy farmers but i know of a lot more who struggle to pay their bills every month ,,,, us included some times | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . Still - you can't deny there are very wealthy farmers out there. I should know, I'm a grazier and I rent land off them. "wealthy farmers or wealthy land owners ,,,, theres a huge difference in my opinion ,,,, and yes we have to rent most of our land as well | |||
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"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . Still - you can't deny there are very wealthy farmers out there. I should know, I'm a grazier and I rent land off them.
wealthy farmers or wealthy land owners ,,,, theres a huge difference in my opinion ,,,, and yes we have to rent most of our land as well"Farmers, most of them - for example, I have 150 ac off a feller who finishes 500 pigs a week and has a 200 strong suckler herd as well as considerable folder/arable operations, he just hasn't he time to graze the SSSI downland that sits on the edge of his farm, soI rent it from him, whilst he claims the HLS. | |||
"Just throwing a couple of things into the mix... According to a newspaper report two or three of the major supermarkets already pay a fair price for milk... Apparently this is why only Morrisons and Asia are being targeted... Farming has the highest suicide rate of any industry in the UK... Supermarkets offer fair rates for products and request larger quantities. Once they have you hooked as a supplier they then slash the rates offered. Unfortunately they are the only people big enough to buy from you. You then have a choice sell at a loss or don't sell at all... Animal loving UK residents demand high cost animal welfare for animals farmed in the UK. Then buy cheap meat farmed abroad, with low animal welfare standards... Sheep farmers pay more to sheer a sheep than the wool is worth... I'm not a farmer but have seen family members who are struggling to pay bills etc... " Wool is a by-product. The money in sheep is in lamb. | |||
"Just throwing a couple of things into the mix... According to a newspaper report two or three of the major supermarkets already pay a fair price for milk... Apparently this is why only Morrisons and Asia are being targeted... Farming has the highest suicide rate of any industry in the UK... Supermarkets offer fair rates for products and request larger quantities. Once they have you hooked as a supplier they then slash the rates offered. Unfortunately they are the only people big enough to buy from you. You then have a choice sell at a loss or don't sell at all... Animal loving UK residents demand high cost animal welfare for animals farmed in the UK. Then buy cheap meat farmed abroad, with low animal welfare standards... Sheep farmers pay more to sheer a sheep than the wool is worth... I'm not a farmer but have seen family members who are struggling to pay bills etc... Wool is a by-product. The money in sheep is in lamb. " There's money in it? And I've just been eating it? Why did nobody tell me?! | |||
"What a load of marketing shit! Why don't they just force their suppliers to pay the producers a fair price? its just a ploy to fool the masses into thinking they are trying to help, just put all their milk up and make sure the increase filters through, the supermarkets have a lot to answer for in this country, want to support farmers go to the farm shop and get your milk form a milkman! Can you tell i used to be a dairy farmer? Agreed! It is all about the marketing here. A major supermarket is all about capitalism and looking for a way to make them look good to drive sales. Otherwise, they'd have simply dropped their margin instead of squeezing the farmers to the max, then passing the cost to the customer with a "yeah we'll help them out". Interestingly, as a kid, I never heard of a poor farmer and I'm sure there's plenty of truth in the early margins that took/reduced the milkman off the streets. Supermarkets execs definitely had the long term vision that has also taken out the local butchers and greengrocers. I've often thought that a supermarket should have crèche facilities so parents can shop in peace (though kids throwing everything in the trolley might be more profitable), a barbers so Mr can get his haircut, or better still a little pub so they can grab a pint whilst the better half shops. I'm sure if this happens (already happening?) then we can soon see other industries and trades being impacted! And I'm not saying capitalism is a bad or a good thing. Just an observation. I'm a social person, that enjoys democracy with a capitalist head and a communist heart that lives a (very) liberal lifestyle. Not sure if there is a political party for me! Lol "I can certainly appreciate your political persuasion(s) - I find myself in a similar predicament! | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. as a farmer im absolutely appalled to have this utter utter crap directed at me ,,,,,, just got in from harvesting oilseed rape which will be off to the crushers in 2 weeks time ,,,,, strange that the crushers are desperate for it when you say there is warehouses crammed full of the stuff ,,,,, by the way europe is a net importer every year because we dont grow enough . It is also illegal to plough up permanent pasture land to plant combinable crops like wheat or rape . we go however plough up 'temporary leys ' because they have been planted into the rotaion ,,, one field gets ploughed up another gets planted id also like to point out that on average i work 80 to 90 hrs a week for about 19 k a year ,,,,, i drive a clapped out discovery with 200 000 miles on the clock ,,,, i need such a impresive vehicle to be able to tow a trailer , a status symbol it certainly is not . " So you don't get any eu subsidies for the rape seed? Are you the farm owner or just run it for a wealthy land owner? I work in the building trade have done for 30 year's Work 60+hrs a week and drive a 15yo civic with almost 170k on the clock. Haven't had a payrise since 2007 and earn less now than I did almost 20 year's ago. Where are the subsidies for the building industry? We all have our crosses to bear? I grew up in Lincolnshire I know exactly how hard farmers work and I also know how they exploit their workers and pay them a pittance. | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. " . It is insulting to suggest that farmers would deliberately infect their herds with a disease in order to obtain a grant ..They take extremely good care of their livestock and work exceptionally long hours ..Fraudulent claims are more likely to result in a prison sentence and bankruptcy .. Claiming grants for solar farms has nothing to do with greed . The farmers concerned are running their businness in a commercial manner and using legal means to obtain the subsidies available .  | |||
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"Morrisons aren't giving the farmers any extra. They are charging the consumer (ie US), extra (should we choose to pay it), which they will pass on to their supplier, (mainly Arla), who they expect to pass it on to the farmers. Morrisons will still make the same amount no matter which milk you buy. Fantastic marketing and publicity, making people think that Morrisons are the good guys. And by the way, I've never seen a poor farmer either. i know of some very wealthy farmers but i know of a lot more who struggle to pay their bills every month ,,,, us included some times" So do something else then. | |||
"Farmers have always been greedy. Examples. Converting grazing land into rape seed growing. Getting huge grants and payouts from the EU. Despite massive stocks of rape seed in huge warehouses, that ends up getting disposed of due to the surplus. Example. The sudden increase in solar farms due to grant's and payouts. Now the subsidies have been cut on solar farms they will all stop and find another scam to get money. Example Foot and mouth. Farmers intentionally getting their herds infected so they can get a huge payment from the government three times the going rate for the slaughtered animals. Example Farmer's employing illegal immigrants to work on their farms, working from dusk till dawn for a pittance, almost slavery. I for one certainly don't feel sorry for them. . It is insulting to suggest that farmers would deliberately infect their herds with a disease in order to obtain a grant ..They take extremely good care of their livestock and work exceptionally long hours ..Fraudulent claims are more likely to result in a prison sentence and bankruptcy .. Claiming grants for solar farms has nothing to do with greed . The farmers concerned are running their businness in a commercial manner and using legal means to obtain the subsidies available . "So why should they get subsidies/additional payment from companies to run their businesses? And it's common knowledge (i have no evidence to support) But it's widely known that during the foot and mouth outbreak farmers where accidently on purpose getting the heards infected. | |||
" Wool is a by-product. The money in sheep is in lamb. " Yes, I know that but many people think it is a profitable by-product and not as an other cost. | |||
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"Let us not forget, we live on an island. If we depend on everything being produced overseas, we are then open to being controlled by others! We must do all we can to be self sufficient foodwise! "We as consumers are as much to blame as the big supermarkets. The price Welsh farmers are getting for lamb has reached a critically low level but is that the fault of supermarkets for filling the shelves with lamb from New Zealand or the fault of us consumers for buying the cheapest rather than demanding home grown? | |||
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"whats the cows cut of that? "Sirloin? | |||
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"Just buy milk from UK producers and boycott milk from outwith the UK Asda was outed for selling 'foreign' milk last week. I do it with other produce- no Spanish strawberries for me- so definitely with milk. I don't care how much the subsidies are for the smaller producers, I can't think of any other occupation as stressful, with as long hours and such variable returns, let alone the danger and physicality of the work. As for time for holidays- ha!" Holidays... Farmers don't need holidays... Everyone knows that farmers spend their days gaily skipping through the meadows whilst bottle feeding a lamb... | |||
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"whats the cows cut of that? "A fondle | |||
"Can't we all just use marvel "It's made of milk....why don't we all keep a goat in the garden? Free milk, and you get your lawn cut "organically". | |||
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"I live in a rural part of the country surrounded by farms and I'm yet to see a poor farmer ...sorry if this sounds harsh "Good for them. Long may they continue to prosper. Hopefully this protest will help those that are struggling too. | |||
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"I live in a rural part of the country surrounded by farms and I'm yet to see a poor farmer ...sorry if this sounds harsh
Good for them. Long may they continue to prosper. Hopefully this protest will help those that are struggling too. "i lived cumbria and thats majority is farmland , problem farmers have is cashflow throughout the seasons | |||
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