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"70 years on the bell tolls in remembrance.
May we learn from the atrocities of war."
We certainly did learn…… that America can use a weapon of mass distruction but anyone else try's and they'll say no. |
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However horrendous the effects of the Hiroshima nuke were they did serve to limit major country conflicts over the next 70 years. The world now knows how bad nuclear war is and as yet there has been no appetite for it. |
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Yes... Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kiev, Berlin, Dresden, Munich, Cologne... Konnigsberg, Warsaw, Rotterdam...
A lot of places took a pounding.
That's the funny thing about war - people get killed. |
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"However horrendous the effects of the Hiroshima nuke were they did serve to limit major country conflicts over the next 70 years. The world now knows how bad nuclear war is and as yet there has been no appetite for it. "
So lots of minor conflicts are fine? It achieved nothing but a test of nuclear weapons in wartime, we`ve learned nothing in thousands of years of wars, other than how to kill more efficiently. |
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"However horrendous the effects of the Hiroshima nuke were they did serve to limit major country conflicts over the next 70 years. The world now knows how bad nuclear war is and as yet there has been no appetite for it.
So lots of minor conflicts are fine? It achieved nothing but a test of nuclear weapons in wartime, we`ve learned nothing in thousands of years of wars, other than how to kill more efficiently."
And it was, arguably, a demonstration to 'our gallant allies' the Russians (as Churchill used to call them)...
Don't fuck! |
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It was a sad means to an end. Imagine how much loss of life and more importantly (to them) dollars if the Japanese mainland had to be invaded.
Cruelty met with cruelty sad business war. |
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By *oodmess OP Man
over a year ago
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Let Us Be Midwives!
by Hiroshima survivor Kurihara Sadako
loose translation by Michael R. Burch
Midnight . . .
the basement of a shattered building . . .
atomic bomb survivors sniveling in the darkness . . .
not a single candle between them . . .
the odor of blood . . .
the stench of death . . .
the sickly-sweet smell of decaying humanity . . .
the groans . . .
the moans . . .
Out of all that, suddenly, miraculously, a voice:
"The baby's coming!"
In the hellish basement, unexpectedly,
a young mother had gone into labor.
In the dark, lacking a single match, what to do?
Scrambling to her side,
forgetting their own . . . |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. 
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti"
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms." |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms.""
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Very sad
I was reading a minute by minute account the other day
Chilling stuff"
I did too.
Nagasaki's remembrance next.
Being this age I hear the song Enola Gay when I think of this travesty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The dropping of the bombs were terrible events. But the Japanese military did the Japanese people no favours un regard to the death railways, the rape od Nanking and other atrocities. |
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My son went to the peace memorial at Hiroshima on a recent football tour. At fifteen he felt it was a chilling reminder, not that he really knew or understood before then .... I was amazed the football club scheduled that in, and he came back sort of changed and very humble. |
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"The dropping of the bombs were terrible events. But the Japanese military did the Japanese people no favours un regard to the death railways, the rape od Nanking and other atrocities."
agreed, they were brutal beyond belief in how they treated prisoners..
the 'bomb' has not stopped genocide since its use and many of the major powers have equally disgusting means of destroying life other than nuclear..
one day, one would sincerely hope we wake up as a species and learn the lesson that conflict and slaughtering each other is wrong.. |
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Not sure they did work to be honest.
The Japanese did not surrender because of Hiroshima and they didn't surrender because of Nagasaki.
A fact the history books missed occasionally is that the Americans insisted on a full surrender, including giving up the emperor, this was completely unacceptable to Japanese culture as they see the emperor like the Americans see Jesus!
So they would have fought on to total destruction and many many atomic bombs wouldn't have stopped them.
The ridiculous point is they had nothing to fight on with, they were completely out of oil, there'd even chopped every single palm tree in Japan down in desperation for oil, it's one of the main reasons there'd started the kamikaze campaigns as it saved return fuel and bombs |
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I know not how the third world war will be fault.
But the fourth will be faught with sticks and stones......
Think long and before pressing the red button. |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti"
From the age of five until 16 I went with my parents to brockwood for the weekend to see and listen to Krishnamurti . A tremendous and wonderful speaker , with insight into everything from love , peace and perhaps only he provided the type of thinking that may end conflict  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"However horrendous the effects of the Hiroshima nuke were they did serve to limit major country conflicts over the next 70 years. The world now knows how bad nuclear war is and as yet there has been no appetite for it.
So lots of minor conflicts are fine? It achieved nothing but a test of nuclear weapons in wartime, we`ve learned nothing in thousands of years of wars, other than how to kill more efficiently."
Human beings have a long way to go before they stop having wars. We did however learn 70 years that no one wins a nuclear war and that stoped the USSR and the West from open hostility.
Prior to Hiroshima, Germany forgot in a mere 20 years the horrors of conventional war. |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock."
The meek shall inherit the Earth; so long as the others don't mind.  |
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Oppenheimer was the biggest critic of his own work, it tortured him for a long time after.
I think he quoted the Greek poem
I have become death, destroyer of world's!.... Very prophetic indeed
I think the real question about the atomic bombs is how they squeezed in Truman to be vice president to the ailing president who might not have issued there use!
It's like they had a grand plan or something!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's sad to think that with all the nuclear weapons about...it's only a matter of time before it happens again..
Hopefully i won't be around !! "
You wont be around for long if they do go boom  |
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One thing to bear in mind re Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that however impressive/devastating the bombs were, they were miniscule in size in comparison to modern ones, by an order of magnitude.
Still, may do life on the planet some good in the long run. |
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One thing to bear in mind re Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that however impressive/devastating the bombs were, they were miniscule in size in comparison to modern ones, by an order of magnitude.
Still, may do life on the planet some good in the long run. "
You heard of the Tsar Bomba?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
Largest nuke ever detonated. Right at the last moment the designers HALVED the payload from 100 to 50 megatonnes as it was feared that the fallout would seriously affect parts of the USSR. |
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"70 years on the bell tolls in remembrance.
May we learn from the atrocities of war."
If we ever do I'm out of a job 
But I do find it weird that the US, being the only country to ever use a nuke on someone else, has decided it is the only nation that gets to pick who can have them |
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One thing to bear in mind re Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that however impressive/devastating the bombs were, they were miniscule in size in comparison to modern ones, by an order of magnitude.
Still, may do life on the planet some good in the long run. "
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Yeah they were minute compared to modern nukes Hiroshima was the less technically difficult uranium bomb, and really really mild by modern standards, Nagasaki was the hydrogen/plutonium bomb and a bit more powerful and technically more difficult... I think they were both less than 50 killo tonnes.
The Russians developed the most powerful nuke ever built in the 60s called the tzar bomb.. It's yield was around 100 million tonnes and so powerful when they tested it, it set the stratosphere on fire and could be seen from 600 miles away |
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One thing to bear in mind re Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that however impressive/devastating the bombs were, they were miniscule in size in comparison to modern ones, by an order of magnitude.
Still, may do life on the planet some good in the long run. .
Yeah they were minute compared to modern nukes Hiroshima was the less technically difficult uranium bomb, and really really mild by modern standards, Nagasaki was the hydrogen/plutonium bomb and a bit more powerful and technically more difficult... I think they were both less than 50 killo tonnes.
The Russians developed the most powerful nuke ever built in the 60s called the tzar bomb.. It's yield was around 100 million tonnes and so powerful when they tested it, it set the stratosphere on fire and could be seen from 600 miles away "
Look three posts above |
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By *oodmess OP Man
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Whilst the Japanese were responsible for bombings and mass killings. I tried to word the thread sympathetically as a remembrance to all those who suffered during that period. This is not a thread on who did what to whom. There were losses on both sides, and autocracies made by all camps. The destruction of the bomb and scars felt should be given grace.
Discuss your war theories another time on another thread. |
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"Whilst the Japanese were responsible for bombings and mass killings. I tried to word the thread sympathetically as a remembrance to all those who suffered during that period. This is not a thread on who did what to whom. There were losses on both sides, and autocracies made by all camps. The destruction of the bomb and scars felt should be given grace.
Discuss your war theories another time on another thread. "
Quite!
But it's not a theory...
Or for that matter read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Nanking_(book)
Estimates vary between 377,000 and 150,000.
But you know, atrocities are not comparable. |
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"god bless them all xxxx
Not sure if many Japanese believe in a Christian god...?"
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No they don't
In fact there a very old culture that completely isolated themselves from the outside world for 200 years because they feared losing the ancient traditions!
It was rather ironic that it was from threats from the usa to open up to trade at the turn of the century that forced the imperial modern rearmament!.
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"A lot of these weapons' development was carried out here in the UK and Canada as well as the USA. "
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Ironically by alot of German refugees who fled the Nazi party!
Los Alamos was quite the den of inequity |
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"70 years on the bell tolls in remembrance.
May we learn from the atrocities of war.
We certainly did learn…… that America can use a weapon of mass distruction but anyone else try's and they'll say no. "
We wiped out cities and killed more civilians with conventional bombing attacks and deliberate firestorms than we did with the nukes |
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"A lot of these weapons' development was carried out here in the UK and Canada as well as the USA. .
Ironically by alot of German refugees who fled the Nazi party!
Los Alamos was quite the den of inequity"
Too true |
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"Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JmDNpjKYc"
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Werner is a Nazi lol... Yes it was quite public knowledge at the time!
There's a little episode in American politics that might give you a clue to more modern matters at hand.
Harry Truman got presidency as he was the vice President and he got the vice presidency of a guy called Henry Wallace... Now Wallace was a progressive socialist , very anti imperialism, very pro union and farming and had a gallop poll rating of 68% compared to Truman's 2%, even though the public much preferred him to Truman.... It was decided by the powers that be, that Wallace was not to be president and a dirty campaign by his own party ousted him and with Roosevelts failing health from a life time with polio they thought the best candidate to take the job was a disliked unproven Truman!
the one thing Truman was, was a yes man and so the former salesman with little experience took over from a dead president, dropped two bombs and over saw the start of a 40 year cold war with the Russians!.
The most popular candidate doesn't always win in democratic elections |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock."
I prefer the quote from Mr Cock rather than the. Cathie Fisher one! |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock.
I prefer the quote from Mr Cock rather than the. Cathie Fisher one! "
*Jackie .......... cock!  |
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"god bless them all xxxx
Not sure if many Japanese believe in a Christian god...?"
One of the ironic things about the Nagasaki bomb is that in the years prior to WW2 there was a small Christian community in Japan. During the war these people were _iewed with suspicion by the authorities and were interned at Nagasaki....
One may ask where God was to save his believers ... |
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"Was required at the time and gladly the allied troops did not have to take Japan by a landing force lot more of Japanese civilians would of been killed "
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That's never been proven true and has little evidence to support it!
The Japanese were completely cut off and totally and utterly out of resources, no oil, meant no fuel for anything, no explosives, no bullets, no air craft, no boats
They could have chucked rocks at the invading forces or had some sword fights but they certainly couldn't put up a "real" resistance to any invasion force from either the Americans at sea or the Russians who were coming from the north! |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock.
I prefer the quote from Mr Cock rather than the. Cathie Fisher one! "
"If you want peace, prepare for war" |
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Well it was not a weapon of mass destruction then, secondly the Japanese militarize government at the time was going to use every woman man and child as soldiers to halt the U.S.. Now you also forget the seriously messed up stuff the Japanese did. |
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"god bless them all xxxx
Not sure if many Japanese believe in a Christian god...?
One of the ironic things about the Nagasaki bomb is that in the years prior to WW2 there was a small Christian community in Japan. During the war these people were _iewed with suspicion by the authorities and were interned at Nagasaki....
One may ask where God was to save his believers ..."
Wow, Would you like extra sugar & milk with your Laté?  |
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"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
George Carlin, excellent quote.
"We preach peace, whilst preparing for war".
J Krishnamurti
Quote from my old mate Jackie Fisher:
"Everybody wants. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
"Everybody wants peace. Unfortunately they want it on their own terms."
Cock.
I prefer the quote from Mr Cock rather than the. Cathie Fisher one!
"If you want peace, prepare for war"
Or use the diplomacy route, even!!
It's grotesque that the innocent children, women & men whom lost their lives in the recent Iraqi war are actually so closely related that they actually share a massive chunk in the
In the human pie chart including Hiroshima!!
But I guess we won't be 'advised' to grieve a Baghdad day!!
Strange world indeed! "
Ah modern diplomacy eh?
Appointing Blair as a mid east Peace Envoy.
Right. |
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Pop trivia time :
Which song got to No 2 in the charts and used Hiroshima in the lyrics?
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Was it Bombs Over Baghdad (B.O.B.) ?
Oh shit, must have got the wrong genocide, sorry!  |
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