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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I recently got a letter from Ebla saying I have been convicted of an offence so when I called them they said I was convicted of failiur to provide information so I called up Lincolnshire magistrates who said I was caught speeding in December, they sent the notice to my company who provided my information to amend it but never sent it to me they never even sent the court date after the 28days, I am now going to court to do a statute of deceleration to show evidence that I received nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates only that dvla contacted me about the failiur to provide conviction, This has also happens to another driver of the company from Lincolnshire has anyone else gone through the same thing?
I will also be trying to get the speedig fine taken off my licence as it has now passed the statute of limitations on the RTOA |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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i think man utd got away with a speeding fine as the fine went to registered owner and that lawyer nick freeman said its was a pool car so any number of people could have been driving, you may be able to find it on the net |
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This happened to my brother & has been a complete nightmare. He fought it all the way & still ended up with a fine & court costs. His employer gave DVLA his old address - my brother provided an email informing of new address, driving licence showing new address etc & a solicitor colleague of mine provided some advice. It's very rare Joe Public wind these cases sadly. Might just be worth paying the fine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This happened to my brother & has been a complete nightmare. He fought it all the way & still ended up with a fine & court costs. His employer gave DVLA his old address - my brother provided an email informing of new address, driving licence showing new address etc & a solicitor colleague of mine provided some advice. It's very rare Joe Public wind these cases sadly. Might just be worth paying the fine "
Or pay the fine for legality purposes, and demand refund from there... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The amount of correspondence that goes on between prosecuting force and offender is such that I find it remarkable that nobody has any letters at all.
If you were caught speeding, just suck it up buttercup  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I got a mardy set of magistrates when I made my declaration. Kept arguing wanting to know why I didn't receive summons in the post and if any other post had not been delivered. How on earth am I meant to know?! I think they disliked me wanting to know why they didn't send it recorded delivery  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The speedi I admit it's the fact they didn't send any letters at all no NIP no court summons or nothing I got a letter off dvla 8 months after the alleged offence saying I have been convicted of failiur to provide evidence so Lincolnshire court did not inform me of the speeding offence they are in the wrong also statute of limitation of a speeding offence is 6 month so by that I am not guilty of the offence in just wondering if anyone had a failiur to provide info from the court when they didn't send the NIP to start |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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Had this problem my self just went into court proved I was correctly registered with the dvla Whilst all correspondence had gone to my old address swore on oath all thrown out GMP given three months to re send heard nowt sorted |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm going to court I will put sole blame for the failiur to provide on Lincolnshire magistrates since the sent nothing at all not even the court summons and then I will quote the statute of limitation and then to top it off il be mentioning loss of income due to the tome i took off work caused by Lincolnshire magistrates |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
denton |
with speeding on camera you are guilty and you have to prove innocent,commit a criminal offense innocent till proved guilty, also increase in false number plates so you could get fines thru post, plus the costs to you trying to prove otherwise |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the alleged offence was in December......
All of the notices would have had 28 days to respond on and they wouldn't be counted in your 6 months 'statute of limitations' you keep quoting. The 6 months would have been counted from the date of the final NIP letters date.
28 days from the first notice, no response, 28 days from the notice to owner, there's 2 months gone............. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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All laws concerning statute of limitations refer to the date of the offence. In the Road Traffic Act when it refers to the statute of limitation, it is from the date of the offence (in this case december) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Your deceleration's a bit late now isn't it?
Best way to avoid it is go easy on the acceleration.
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It's not late I only found out last week that I had committed the offence in December from the dvla sending me a letter saying I had a conviction the court never sent anything regarding an NIP or the reminder or the court summons this is why I'm confident I just want to know if anyone else had been in that situation where they weren't notified at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Your deceleration's a bit late now isn't it?
Best way to avoid it is go easy on the acceleration.
It's not late I only found out last week that I had committed the offence in December from the dvla sending me a letter saying I had a conviction the court never sent anything regarding an NIP or the reminder or the court summons this is why I'm confident I just want to know if anyone else had been in that situation where they weren't notified at all "
My point is somebody must have been notified or how come they contacted you at all? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Yeah the company was notified who then sent in my details for he amendment the company dot have to tell me anything it's happening to another driver from the company by Lincolnshire they just haven't sent it on to us making it their fault not ours the letter I got about the court date missed and the 6 points on my licence was from the dvla who have nothing to do with the prosecution they just put points that court decide on so in summary
Speeding fine went to company who nominated me as the driver which I was to send back to get amended with my details and then instead of sending it to me they haven't at all they didn't send the NIP or the warning or the summons to court or the £740 fine with details of how to pay, so do you get it now? 4 times the court meant to contact me and they didn't then dvla contact to just inform of the points added that tinge court decided |
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
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Forgive my naivety and my passion for life and of the lives of others too but speed kills.
So why speed? Why break the law? It is the law isn't it regardless of when you were informed, regardless of loopholes?
I don't comprehend.
My friends child (8 years old) was killed by a driver doing just 38mph. That's only 8mph more then they should of been. That family was/ is devastated and will never be the same again.
Don't speed. It's illegal and immoral. You're lucky you just got a fine. Next time it could be so much worse!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you can prove no notification then you can get the magistrates conviction squashed but you'd still be liable for the original speeding offence. The fine you have received is not from dvla it is a court fine which has different powers attached IE. Criminal record/bailifs/arrest warrent all for non payment. Not turning up to the court is basically accepting the magistrates decision. So you would have to prove you never received the summons before you even get to prove dvla didn't inform you of the offence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!"
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence "
I reckon the wife can get you off. |
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There was a time when NIP had to be handed to the offender by a court official or an officer of the law.
Then it got shall we say down graded where by a recorded delivery notice sufficed.
Since those days the law has been bastardised to make it possible to prosecute such things as speeding with nothing more than a photo of a registration number. Proof of NIP only requires the court to prove they stamped (franked) a letter addressed to you, doesn't actually matter if you receive it or not.
Back in the day a speeding prosecution required the diver to exceed the speed limit for at least one quarter of one mile supported by eye witness accounts, typically two police officers who could state the time, place and identify the driver in question.
Now it needs no eye witness, a 'few yards' and proof of identity only by self-incrimination or ownership of the vehicle involved in the offence.
To make the speed cameras prosecutions work you have also lost 'your right to remain silent' and you are also in some cases forced to incriminate your spouse.
It's NOT wrong to try and stop drivers from speeding but the way they are trying to do it is an absolute disgrace because of the way it abuses the law itself.
Speed kills! Tell that to the emergency services who are, by way of percentage responsible for more road deaths and accidents than any other road user type.
OP... you admitted to speeding, so maybe don't pay the fine. Instead do the Speed Awareness Course and then maybe you'll realise what a menace you are to society |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours ....."
I hope you're never going planning to use this 'fact' in court. At this rate your wife's 1st will be lucky to come out as a Desmond. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh well, you took a chance by speeding. Be glad it's only a ticket you got and not someone's death on your conscience, and just pay it.
I don't speed and I never get a ticket for speeding, funny how that works |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh well, you took a chance by speeding. Be glad it's only a ticket you got and not someone's death on your conscience, and just pay it.
I don't speed and I never get a ticket for speeding, funny how that works "
Yay, Saint Tony in da house |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh well, you took a chance by speeding. Be glad it's only a ticket you got and not someone's death on your conscience, and just pay it.
I don't speed and I never get a ticket for speeding, funny how that works
Yay, Saint Tony in da house"
Quite simply statutory declaration under magistrates act 1980.
Doesn't stop the proceedings , just means police have to start again , This time notifying you ..
They don't normally do that |
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If the powers that be really wanted to solve the issue of motorist exceeding the speed limit there is a simple solution.
Many cars nowadays come with built in Sat-Nav. Many cars nowadays come with built in cruise/speed limiter control. Joining the two together is technically straightforward.
There are multitudes of rules and regulations that set minimum standards for vehicle specifications such that they may be legally used on public roads. It wouldn't be an 'instant fix' but if it was put in place now, given 10 or 15 years the system would be in pretty much all vehicles. Adding one more regulation such as Sat-Nav speed limiter might go some way to solve this problem...
Apparently approximating one third of all serious injuries and deaths of people under the age of 16 occur on public roads, on average its one every two hours. Excessive speed is not the cause of all RTI's but where excessive speed is a factor the damage factor will always be greater. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Excessive speed is not the cause of all RTI's "
"not all"? That's a slight understatement.
According to a Department for Transport study, 'Contributory Factors to Road Accidents 2005' exceeding the speed limit actually only accounted for 3% of car accidents. Yes you read that right 3%
Biggest factor was failure to look properly at 18%
These figures are drawn from accidents where the police attended the scene and a contributory factor was reported. |
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"Excessive speed is not the cause of all RTI's
"not all"? That's a slight understatement.
According to a Department for Transport study, 'Contributory Factors to Road Accidents 2005' exceeding the speed limit actually only accounted for 3% of car accidents. Yes you read that right 3%
Biggest factor was failure to look properly at 18%
These figures are drawn from accidents where the police attended the scene and a contributory factor was reported."
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Which makes one wonder why they make so much fuss about exceeding the speed limit In the end the biggest cause of RTI's is plain and simple crap driving and complacency. While the figures for speed being the direct cause may be low, it still remains that less speed means less damage. Less speed also means more thinking/reaction time which in turn may reduce the numbers of incidents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Excessive speed is not the cause of all RTI's
"not all"? That's a slight understatement.
According to a Department for Transport study, 'Contributory Factors to Road Accidents 2005' exceeding the speed limit actually only accounted for 3% of car accidents. Yes you read that right 3%
Biggest factor was failure to look properly at 18%
These figures are drawn from accidents where the police attended the scene and a contributory factor was reported.
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Which makes one wonder why they make so much fuss about exceeding the speed limit In the end the biggest cause of RTI's is plain and simple crap driving and complacency. While the figures for speed being the direct cause may be low, it still remains that less speed means less damage. Less speed also means more thinking/reaction time which in turn may reduce the numbers of incidents. "
All the thinking time in the world is not going to help the kind of dickhead that uses their phone while driving.
Taking your less speed argument to its logical conclusion we would all drive at 1 mph thus reducing damage to an absolute minimum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence "
Have you considered that the Notice of Intention to Proceed was served within the time limit? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence
Have you considered that the Notice of Intention to Proceed was served within the time limit?"
It probably was but it wasn't issued to me so as far as I'm concerned it hasn't been issued as I have previously stated I recieved nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates fixed penalties department |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence
Have you considered that the Notice of Intention to Proceed was served within the time limit?
It probably was but it wasn't issued to me so as far as I'm concerned it hasn't been issued as I have previously stated I recieved nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates fixed penalties department "
If it is a company car, then is service on the company not sufficient? I don't know as I have not looked the law up on that but I would have thought it is OK as the authorities have no other information. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence
Have you considered that the Notice of Intention to Proceed was served within the time limit?
It probably was but it wasn't issued to me so as far as I'm concerned it hasn't been issued as I have previously stated I recieved nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates fixed penalties department
If it is a company car, then is service on the company not sufficient? I don't know as I have not looked the law up on that but I would have thought it is OK as the authorities have no other information."
It was a company vehicle and they did receive it at first to update fixed penalties with my details so that it can be sent to me and after it was sent back to them by the company it wasn't sent to me or was the summons to court or the fine payment demand from the court after I only found out because dvla sent a letter just letting me know 6 points were put on my licence for failiur to provide info |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you acknowledge you were speeding and breaking the law, stop looking for loop holes! If someone raped your wife but used loop holes to get out of the conviction I am guessing you wouldn't be happy! Do the crime serve or pay the time!
But in all laws in the UK there is a statute of limitation to all offences including murder the time is dependant on the severity of the offence so it's not a loop hole if they openly publish these statutes on the offence I'm quite well informed as my wife studies law and is at the level of a 1st class honours so she is pretty damn good we have access to be able to research this properly I don't need people's advice on weather speeding is wrong and weather I should pay and so on I have my case a solid case against the magistrates that they had not informed me of the offence I was asking people if they have been in the same aituation where the courts did not send them a NIP and all of a sudden your going to court or been convicted of failiur to provide evidence
Have you considered that the Notice of Intention to Proceed was served within the time limit?
It probably was but it wasn't issued to me so as far as I'm concerned it hasn't been issued as I have previously stated I recieved nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates fixed penalties department
If it is a company car, then is service on the company not sufficient? I don't know as I have not looked the law up on that but I would have thought it is OK as the authorities have no other information.
It was a company vehicle and they did receive it at first to update fixed penalties with my details so that it can be sent to me and after it was sent back to them by the company it wasn't sent to me or was the summons to court or the fine payment demand from the court after I only found out because dvla sent a letter just letting me know 6 points were put on my licence for failiur to provide info"
You have access to legal advice so find out whether that is sufficient. And look ahead and find out what might happen if you successfully defend the prosecution on the basis of lack of notice. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Will do I'm in court on Monday and I have looked up on it even Lincolnshire magistrates said they would probably clear me of the failiur to provide information charge |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"OP... you admitted to speeding, so maybe don't pay the fine. Instead do the Speed Awareness Course and then maybe you'll realise what a menace you are to society
Still agree with this and frankly you sound like a selfish knob who shouldn't be driving at all!"
This is far to in depth to explain, all you need to know is that a month later the speed limit on that road was raised as it wasn't a risk to go a little faster on it that's true and yeah I sound selfish but who give a shit everyone try's to get away with stuff they do its human nature if you don't challenge your right your a sheep all I'm doing here is challenging my right and I'm getting away with it because of that statute I quoted was written by the courts to protect people's rights! |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"OP... you admitted to speeding, so maybe don't pay the fine. Instead do the Speed Awareness Course and then maybe you'll realise what a menace you are to society
Still agree with this and frankly you sound like a selfish knob who shouldn't be driving at all!
This is far to in depth to explain, all you need to know is that a month later the speed limit on that road was raised as it wasn't a risk to go a little faster on it that's true and yeah I sound selfish but who give a shit everyone try's to get away with stuff they do its human nature if you don't challenge your right your a sheep all I'm doing here is challenging my right and I'm getting away with it because of that statute I quoted was written by the courts to protect people's rights!"
It doesn't change the fact you did break the law, got caught, and are bragging now you've wriggled out of it because of a procedural cock-up.
I doubt the Statute was intended to be abused by people who know they broke the law but didn't feel like taking the penalty.
Admittedly your penalty should have been for speeding, not failing to declare. You should have got the paperwork, and I would have defended the failure to declare conviction too.
I don't think you have anything to feel proud of or brag about though. |
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"Will do I'm in court on Monday and I have looked up on it even Lincolnshire magistrates said they would probably clear me of the failiur to provide information charge "
They didn't with my brother - they reissued & he got 3 points & a £280 fine & that was with legal advice.
Good luck. In future don't speed |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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its alright saying dont speed, but i would think every motorist has gone over the speed limit during their time on the road, most get points with just a few mph over, it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo, also try driving a classic car with drum brakes, i can be double the speed in my honda civic and stop quicker, but modern driving more traffic and hazards around |
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"its alright saying dont speed, but i would think every motorist has gone over the speed limit during their time on the road, most get points with just a few mph over, it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo, also try driving a classic car with drum brakes, i can be double the speed in my honda civic and stop quicker, but modern driving more traffic and hazards around"
I have sped before, I've been caught before, I still speeding. The difference is if I get caught I take the punishment on the chin and don't look for loop holes to get out if it. It's a choice we make and those choices sometimes come with consequences. People bang in about speed cameras just being revenue generators well guess what....they wouldn't generate any revenue if people didn't speed! I'm actually all fir speed cameras being more covert and nit painted bright yellow with a million warning signs.
You are not taught to solely look at the road ahead when driving, you are taught to check your mirrors and your speedo etc to ensure you are driving safely and within the law. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"its alright saying dont speed, but i would think every motorist has gone over the speed limit during their time on the road, most get points with just a few mph over, it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo, also try driving a classic car with drum brakes, i can be double the speed in my honda civic and stop quicker, but modern driving more traffic and hazards around
I have sped before, I've been caught before, I still speeding. The difference is if I get caught I take the punishment on the chin and don't look for loop holes to get out if it. It's a choice we make and those choices sometimes come with consequences. People bang in about speed cameras just being revenue generators well guess what....they wouldn't generate any revenue if people didn't speed! I'm actually all fir speed cameras being more covert and nit painted bright yellow with a million warning signs.
You are not taught to solely look at the road ahead when driving, you are taught to check your mirrors and your speedo etc to ensure you are driving safely and within the law. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All these saints that don't speed...
Every driver has and every driver still does. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it."
Exactly. I hear ya, I have, do on occasion and have been punished accordingly. |
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"I recently got a letter from Ebla saying I have been convicted of an offence so when I called them they said I was convicted of failiur to provide information so I called up Lincolnshire magistrates who said I was caught speeding in December, they sent the notice to my company who provided my information to amend it but never sent it to me they never even sent the court date after the 28days, I am now going to court to do a statute of deceleration to show evidence that I received nothing from Lincolnshire magistrates only that dvla contacted me about the failiur to provide conviction, This has also happens to another driver of the company from Lincolnshire has anyone else gone through the same thing?
I will also be trying to get the speedig fine taken off my licence as it has now passed the statute of limitations on the RTOA "
It wasn't a speeding ticket. My friend was prosecuted for dropping a cigarette on the floor. The summons went to a different address which she could prove when she was eventually caught up with. Nearly a year later. Still had to pay the fine and a fee for the inconvenience (even though it wasn't her error at all) but was let off with the court costs. I've heard of cases not so generous. I personally wouldn't fight it; I've seen people have the book thrown at them. It's really not worth it  |
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"All these saints that don't speed...
Every driver has and every driver still does. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it."
The trick is not getting caught!! 
It's one thing to speed on the motorway... it's a whole different kettle of fish to be speeding in built up areas.
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"All these saints that don't speed...
Every driver has and every driver still does. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it.
The trick is not getting caught!!
It's one thing to speed on the motorway... it's a whole different kettle of fish to be speeding in built up areas.
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Exactly. Speeding in a 30/40 is definitely worse than sitting on a motorway at 80. the national speed limit is massively outdated and really should be reviewed. |
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"All these saints that don't speed...
Every driver has and every driver still does. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it.
The trick is not getting caught!!
It's one thing to speed on the motorway... it's a whole different kettle of fish to be speeding in built up areas.
Exactly. Speeding in a 30/40 is definitely worse than sitting on a motorway at 80. the national speed limit is massively outdated and really should be reviewed."
I see no reason why the motorway speed limit can't be upped to 80mph.
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"it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo
If you aren't capable of doing both then you should not be behind a wheel, simple as that."
I 99% agree with you on that but when entering an area of road that has average speed cameras it can be quite distracting trying to maintain the speed limit. A nice idea would be heads up displays fitted to new vehicles. |
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"it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo
If you aren't capable of doing both then you should not be behind a wheel, simple as that.
I 99% agree with you on that but when entering an area of road that has average speed cameras it can be quite distracting trying to maintain the speed limit. A nice idea would be heads up displays fitted to new vehicles."
I don't see what's more distracting about an area with cameras than an area without.
Part of driving is having awareness of what's around you, if you are only capable of staring straight ahead (to the area where you suggest a heads up display) then you aren't capable of checking your mirrors, blind spots, or road signs. In that case, again, you should not be on the road as you're a danger to yourself and others. |
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Exactly. Speeding in a 30/40 is definitely worse than sitting on a motorway at 80. the national speed limit is massively outdated and really should be reviewed.
I see no reason why the motorway speed limit can't be upped to 80mph.
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'Cos then the numpties will feel they have the right to sit at 85 or 90 and a campaign will be mounted to change the limit to 90 (and so on). |
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"it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo
If you aren't capable of doing both then you should not be behind a wheel, simple as that.
I 99% agree with you on that but when entering an area of road that has average speed cameras it can be quite distracting trying to maintain the speed limit. A nice idea would be heads up displays fitted to new vehicles.
I don't see what's more distracting about an area with cameras than an area without.
Part of driving is having awareness of what's around you, if you are only capable of staring straight ahead (to the area where you suggest a heads up display) then you aren't capable of checking your mirrors, blind spots, or road signs. In that case, again, you should not be on the road as you're a danger to yourself and others."
I didn't say that. I merely said it can be distracting, which it is.
A heads up display would be one less place to check if you think about it, therefore giving you more time to concentrate on the road. |
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"I didn't say that. I merely said it can be distracting, which it is.
A heads up display would be one less place to check if you think about it, therefore giving you more time to concentrate on the road."
You said exactly that
The amount of time it takes to check speed (and other things on that part of the dash) is literally fractions of a second. Your solution is to permanently reduce the visibility of the driver on the road ahead. Somehow I can't see that idea making it into the 'World's Best Ideas' compilation. As you've previously stated you are so used to speeding that you regard people who don't speed as liars. If you actually spent a few weeks not speeding you will realise that most drivers do stick to most limits most of the time. Poor drivers think they know better and fly around like lunatics, and they're the ones that end up killing people. |
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"I didn't say that. I merely said it can be distracting, which it is.
A heads up display would be one less place to check if you think about it, therefore giving you more time to concentrate on the road.
You said exactly that
The amount of time it takes to check speed (and other things on that part of the dash) is literally fractions of a second. Your solution is to permanently reduce the visibility of the driver on the road ahead. Somehow I can't see that idea making it into the 'World's Best Ideas' compilation. As you've previously stated you are so used to speeding that you regard people who don't speed as liars. If you actually spent a few weeks not speeding you will realise that most drivers do stick to most limits most of the time. Poor drivers think they know better and fly around like lunatics, and they're the ones that end up killing people."
Shout a little louder please, we can't hear you down here from your soapbox |
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"its alright saying dont speed, but i would think every motorist has gone over the speed limit during their time on the road, most get points with just a few mph over, it is better to watch the road ahead than eyes on speedo, also try driving a classic car with drum brakes, i can be double the speed in my honda civic and stop quicker, but modern driving more traffic and hazards around
I have sped before, I've been caught before, I still speeding. The difference is if I get caught I take the punishment on the chin and don't look for loop holes to get out if it. It's a choice we make and those choices sometimes come with consequences. People bang in about speed cameras just being revenue generators well guess what....they wouldn't generate any revenue if people didn't speed! I'm actually all fir speed cameras being more covert and nit painted bright yellow with a million warning signs.
You are not taught to solely look at the road ahead when driving, you are taught to check your mirrors and your speedo etc to ensure you are driving safely and within the law. "
I agree totally. People that try and get off when openly admit their guilt or bemoan that being caught is somehow i
Unfair pretty much disgust me. I ppersonally don't see hhow people who think the laws of the road aren't applicable to them can ever be safe drivers |
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"I didn't say that. I merely said it can be distracting, which it is.
A heads up display would be one less place to check if you think about it, therefore giving you more time to concentrate on the road.
You said exactly that
The amount of time it takes to check speed (and other things on that part of the dash) is literally fractions of a second. Your solution is to permanently reduce the visibility of the driver on the road ahead. Somehow I can't see that idea making it into the 'World's Best Ideas' compilation. As you've previously stated you are so used to speeding that you regard people who don't speed as liars. If you actually spent a few weeks not speeding you will realise that most drivers do stick to most limits most of the time. Poor drivers think they know better and fly around like lunatics, and they're the ones that end up killing people."
Ironic...
Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly... |
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"I didn't say that. I merely said it can be distracting, which it is.
A heads up display would be one less place to check if you think about it, therefore giving you more time to concentrate on the road.
You said exactly that
The amount of time it takes to check speed (and other things on that part of the dash) is literally fractions of a second. Your solution is to permanently reduce the visibility of the driver on the road ahead. Somehow I can't see that idea making it into the 'World's Best Ideas' compilation. As you've previously stated you are so used to speeding that you regard people who don't speed as liars. If you actually spent a few weeks not speeding you will realise that most drivers do stick to most limits most of the time. Poor drivers think they know better and fly around like lunatics, and they're the ones that end up killing people.
Ironic...
Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly... "
Commercial airlines seem to think it's a good idea as well but hey what do they know compared to the expert on a swinging forum |
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"Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly... "
Yes you're analogy is spot on because quite often a little kiddy runs in front of a jet fighter to collect his ball
Also, I'd like to know how to arm missiles on my Renault |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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Lol, can tell you lost the debate (which is what this is), when all you can respond with is 'soapbox' and 'expert' sarcastically.
At least MrWho is coming up with a coherent argument to make his point, we're disagreeing but discussing, which is what forums are for. |
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Sat navs are available in HUD form, based on the fact you don't have to take your eyes off the road.
I do think the motorway limit is outdated.
I also plan on keeping my points at 0 so don't go around speeding.
It's the holier than thou attitude that resonates through these threads that makes me laugh |
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"That's the only time I use my cruise control... it's fab for average speed cams. "
Wish I had one. Was following the flow of traffic on M62 with my bezzie sat next to me. Have travelled that road many times and know to keep it at 50mph due to the cameras. Was it because she was sat at side of me so I wasn't keeping an eye on my speed as we were too busy chatting?? Who knows but I was clocked at 58mph oops. Will take my consequence as many others will have to. I was only following the flow of traffic and was bar no means the one leading it. There were plenty in front of me. Going to be allot of us that course I feel  |
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"Lol, can tell you lost the debate (which is what this is), when all you can respond with is 'soapbox' and 'expert' sarcastically.
At least MrWho is coming up with a coherent argument to make his point, we're disagreeing but discussing, which is what forums are for."
Lol, this comes from the person who asks "how to arm missiles on my Renault" when the statement about HUD permanently reducing the visibility is pointed out to be absolute nonsense. Very mature debating |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly...
Yes you're analogy is spot on because quite often a little kiddy runs in front of a jet fighter to collect his ball
Also, I'd like to know how to arm missiles on my Renault "
oooo now that could be fun....middle lane driver....deploy the missile !!!!
Just looked up what you were all talking about and I reckon that HUD would drive me nuts and would be distracting for me |
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"Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly...
Yes you're analogy is spot on because quite often a little kiddy runs in front of a jet fighter to collect his ball
Also, I'd like to know how to arm missiles on my Renault "
It's a Renault, they're broken! |
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"oooo now that could be fun....middle lane driver....deploy the missile !!!!"
I've often fantasised about having a button to press where a giant spatula comes out of the front of my car, goes under the middle lane hogger and burger flips them to the left lane. |
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"Who said anything about flying around everywhere? I just said every driver speeds, which they do. Whether it's 1mph or 10mph, it's speeding.
As for heads up displays obscuring vision, all those fighter planes crashing into the ground proves your point perfectly...
Yes you're analogy is spot on because quite often a little kiddy runs in front of a jet fighter to collect his ball
Also, I'd like to know how to arm missiles on my Renault
It's a Renault, they're broken! "
Diamond of doom !! |
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"oooo now that could be fun....middle lane driver....deploy the missile !!!!
I've often fantasised about having a button to press where a giant spatula comes out of the front of my car, goes under the middle lane hogger and burger flips them to the left lane. "
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"oooo now that could be fun....middle lane driver....deploy the missile !!!!
I've often fantasised about having a button to press where a giant spatula comes out of the front of my car, goes under the middle lane hogger and burger flips them to the left lane. "
Haha!! That's much more sophisticated than my laminated sign that says 'middle lane wanker' |
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"All these saints that don't speed...
Every driver has and every driver still does. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of it."
I have been caught speeding & took the rap. I was rushing to collect my son from his dad on his birthday. I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened. |
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"I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened. "
Me too. I was caught exceeding the NSL on a country road when the only thing likely to be killed was local wildlife. I was amazed by the number of speeders on the course exceeding 30mph limits in built up areas with the dangers of traffic and pedestrians all too apparent |
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"I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened.
Me too. I was caught exceeding the NSL on a country road when the only thing likely to be killed was local wildlife. "
Or pedestrians walking on the road just as you speed round a bend, or a cyclist round the same bend with a car coming the other way at the same time.
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"I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened.
Me too. I was caught exceeding the NSL on a country road when the only thing likely to be killed was local wildlife.
Or pedestrians walking on the road just as you speed round a bend, or a cyclist round the same bend with a car coming the other way at the same time.
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Nice try but it was on a straight piece of dual carriageway with no other traffic. I drive to the limits of what I can see and perhaps surprisingly to you that means not speeding round bends with no clear line of sight. Sorry |
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"oooo now that could be fun....middle lane driver....deploy the missile !!!!
I've often fantasised about having a button to press where a giant spatula comes out of the front of my car, goes under the middle lane hogger and burger flips them to the left lane. "
I need one of those.  |
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You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road? |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road? "
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell? |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?"
Not a country road then |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?
Not a country road then "
Ok let me rephrase for you. Rather than a "country road" does a "road in the country" explain it better. You do realise all roads in the countryside are not narrow, tree lined with blind corners don't you? |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?
Not a country road then
Ok let me rephrase for you. Rather than a "country road" does a "road in the country" explain it better. You do realise all roads in the countryside are not narrow, tree lined with blind corners don't you?"
You can try and be patronising all you like, it just makes you look defensive because someone questioned what you posted.
If you were on a dual carriageway in the middle of the country it is different to a country road. You obviously know this and why you are getting defensive.
Now as you seem upset I am leaving you to it.
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?
Not a country road then
Ok let me rephrase for you. Rather than a "country road" does a "road in the country" explain it better. You do realise all roads in the countryside are not narrow, tree lined with blind corners don't you?
You can try and be patronising all you like, it just makes you look defensive because someone questioned what you posted.
If you were on a dual carriageway in the middle of the country it is different to a country road. You obviously know this and why you are getting defensive.
Now as you seem upset I am leaving you to it.
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?
Not a country road then
Ok let me rephrase for you. Rather than a "country road" does a "road in the country" explain it better. You do realise all roads in the countryside are not narrow, tree lined with blind corners don't you?
You can try and be patronising all you like, it just makes you look defensive because someone questioned what you posted.
If you were on a dual carriageway in the middle of the country it is different to a country road. You obviously know this and why you are getting defensive.
Now as you seem upset I am leaving you to it.
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No one reads the term country road an thinks that a dual carriageway is being discussed. My first thought was exactly the same as yours |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?
Not a country road then
Ok let me rephrase for you. Rather than a "country road" does a "road in the country" explain it better. You do realise all roads in the countryside are not narrow, tree lined with blind corners don't you?
You can try and be patronising all you like, it just makes you look defensive because someone questioned what you posted.
If you were on a dual carriageway in the middle of the country it is different to a country road. You obviously know this and why you are getting defensive.
Now as you seem upset I am leaving you to it.
No one reads the term country road an thinks that a dual carriageway is being discussed. My first thought was exactly the same as yours"
Ok fine, I was drawing the distinction between speeding in a built up area with all its inherent dangers and speeding on the open road. I'll try and be more precise in my description in future to avoid misunderstanding. |
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End of the day the law does not trust your judgement as to what is a safe speed. If you're unhappy with the law you campaign, contact your MP, become a politician. You don't just go round breaking laws because you think you know better. |
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"You might want to change the post I quoted that said country road then.
I am guessing what you are really saying is, you were safe to speed but other people are not because there may be hazards about. What if a hazard turned up on your safe dual carriage way country road?
I've already stated it was a straight piece of dual carriageway with clear visibility. Where is this hazard coming from pray tell?"
Wildlife roaming on the road? Those buggers have no regard for how fast you want to drive! Even pedestrians can crop up in the most unlikely of places. |
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"I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened.
Me too. I was caught exceeding the NSL on a country road when the only thing likely to be killed was local wildlife. I was amazed by the number of speeders on the course exceeding 30mph limits in built up areas with the dangers of traffic and pedestrians all too apparent"
So hitting something at speed would not cause you to come of the country road? (or any type of road as there seems to be some confusion as to what type of road it was )
Reducing speeding isn't just about causing injury or death to others, it's about reducing accidents wholesale. Scraping you off the road involves that same people as scraping someone else off the road. |
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"I did a speed awareness course & my eyes were opened.
Me too. I was caught exceeding the NSL on a country road when the only thing likely to be killed was local wildlife. I was amazed by the number of speeders on the course exceeding 30mph limits in built up areas with the dangers of traffic and pedestrians all too apparent
So hitting something at speed would not cause you to come of the country road? (or any type of road as there seems to be some confusion as to what type of road it was )
Reducing speeding isn't just about causing injury or death to others, it's about reducing accidents wholesale. Scraping you off the road involves that same people as scraping someone else off the road. "
So by your definition I shouldn't drive at 70mph on a motorway because if I have an accident it will be worse than if I was driving at 30mph. It's not speeding that kills it's excessive speed for the road conditions as stated by the DoT statistics collated by the police accident inspectors |
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ive been on motorways where 50 limit and cameras are about, ive keep my speed at 50 but i do find it creeps up to 55, so i slow down to compensate, but what does amaze me people overtake me and according to my speedo im going average 50, i wouldnt have thought my speedo was that far out of calibration |
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"ive been on motorways where 50 limit and cameras are about, ive keep my speed at 50 but i do find it creeps up to 55, so i slow down to compensate, but what does amaze me people overtake me and according to my speedo im going average 50, i wouldnt have thought my speedo was that far out of calibration"
I'm pretty sure there are people who have no idea what an average speed camera is. This is really obvious to me when I'm driving down the M6 and there's roadworks with average speed cams. Still people are flying past me and yet they brake when they pass one of the cameras. I guess they'll learn that lesson the hard way.  |
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"ive been on motorways where 50 limit and cameras are about, ive keep my speed at 50 but i do find it creeps up to 55, so i slow down to compensate, but what does amaze me people overtake me and according to my speedo im going average 50, i wouldnt have thought my speedo was that far out of calibration"
All speedos under read speed, it's deliberate. It allows manufacturers to fit different wheel and tyre sizes (which alters the rolloing radius and therefore gearing) for various trim/model packages without having to have different clicks/gauges made.
It also means that when your speedo is reading 30, for example, your actual speed is probably around 28. The higher your indicated speed the less accurate your speedo becomes. |
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