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over a year ago
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We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought? |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?"
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses? |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?"
No they don't just press a button. There's a lot more to the whole job than that.
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?
No they don't just press a button. There's a lot more to the whole job than that.
Agree with your last sentence. "
No but you see, this is inconveniencing Londoners. Therefore we should be able to force people to work under conditions we would not ever countenance because it makes the lives of other people easier. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?
No they don't just press a button. There's a lot more to the whole job than that.
Agree with your last sentence.
No but you see, this is inconveniencing Londoners. Therefore we should be able to force people to work under conditions we would not ever countenance because it makes the lives of other people easier. "
Oh yeah good point. Sack the bastards. |
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over a year ago
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Approach all the tfl bus drivers "hey would you like to retrain to drive trains"
Can offer less than the current tube drivers and it would still be a pay rise for the bus drivers.
And it would be hilarious watching the union have to fight against its own members reciving training |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?"
they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?
No they don't just press a button. There's a lot more to the whole job than that.
Agree with your last sentence. "
Central line is mostly automated I think or at least hope, cause I've seen a driver come into a station reading a book |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?
No they don't just press a button. There's a lot more to the whole job than that.
Agree with your last sentence.
Central line is mostly automated I think or at least hope, cause I've seen a driver come into a station reading a book"
Maybe he had a computer-book like Penny from Inspector Gadget. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
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It's getting a little tiresome now. I am all for supporting workers rights but let's hope they don't alienate themselves through lack of sympathy. I'm sure there would be many who would happily step in and take their jobs for less in this day and age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
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In my last job in the city, as a skilled professional, I earned about 22K less than the tube drivers are on and only got 25 days holiday a year.
Oh, and there was no Union to join (not that I would have done anyway - don't like them)
The big difference between me and the tube drivers is that I worked in the Private sector. If I didn't like my situation, the choice was simple (as far as my employer was concerned at least) - find another job.
And yes, I suffered the inconvenience of tube strikes as I was still required to get to work |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?"
I think that the Union is doing a very good job in achieving what it is designed to do. I am not so certain that Unions are doing such a good job in other sectors. I do echo what others have said in terms of salary but then I have never had to cope with mowing down a body and watching the slime on my windscreen. |
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It did make me chuckle a while back when their union called them all out on strike as "the proposed cuts and changes would impact on passenger safety".
Sentiments we can all applaud.
Less laudible when he called for strikes to reinstate two drivers who were dismissed for gross misconduct.
One was d*unk at the wheel of his train, the other opened the doors on the wrong side. Neither of which impacted on passenger safety at all did they.
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
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Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fight back, boycott using the tube. Walk, cycle, cab, bus, drive. Let's see how the drivers and unions dance when the system crumbles under lack of custom.
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"Fight back, boycott using the tube. Walk, cycle, cab, bus, drive. Let's see how the drivers and unions dance when the system crumbles under lack of custom.
Revolution "
The trouble is that will ultimately only affect the drivers and their families.
The fat cat union leaders will still get their big fat paypackets and food on the table.
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"Fight back, boycott using the tube. Walk, cycle, cab, bus, drive. Let's see how the drivers and unions dance when the system crumbles under lack of custom.
Revolution
The trouble is that will ultimately only affect the drivers and their families.
The fat cat union leaders will still get their big fat paypackets and food on the table.
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You would prefer that they did not have food on the table? |
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"Fight back, boycott using the tube. Walk, cycle, cab, bus, drive. Let's see how the drivers and unions dance when the system crumbles under lack of custom.
Revolution
The trouble is that will ultimately only affect the drivers and their families.
The fat cat union leaders will still get their big fat paypackets and food on the table.
You would prefer that they did not have food on the table?"
I would prefer it if the union leaders who call strike action endured the same hardships in the same way the rank and file members do while the strikes ramble on.
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it. "
The issue is not that they are badly off. It is that their employer is trying to change their contract. We live in a world where when you sign up for a job it is expected that your employer will not try to change what they signed up to. If they do we are entitled to withdraw our labour in protest if the new contract is unsatisfactory.
Would you happily take a pay cut or work much longer hours just to ensure your customers did not have to post on social media how upset they are? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it.
The issue is not that they are badly off. It is that their employer is trying to change their contract. We live in a world where when you sign up for a job it is expected that your employer will not try to change what they signed up to. If they do we are entitled to withdraw our labour in protest if the new contract is unsatisfactory.
Would you happily take a pay cut or work much longer hours just to ensure your customers did not have to post on social media how upset they are?"
On a temporary basis only.
And you realise in 90% of people's contracts there's a clause saying "according to business needs" that covers this kind of stuff.
Most factories etc that run a night shift can put people on it if they need the people but they offer a rotation.
I still say train the bus drivers that way we have a hell of a lot of spare drivers to cover the increased shifts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it.
The issue is not that they are badly off. It is that their employer is trying to change their contract. We live in a world where when you sign up for a job it is expected that your employer will not try to change what they signed up to. If they do we are entitled to withdraw our labour in protest if the new contract is unsatisfactory.
Would you happily take a pay cut or work much longer hours just to ensure your customers did not have to post on social media how upset they are?
On a temporary basis only.
And you realise in 90% of people's contracts there's a clause saying "according to business needs" that covers this kind of stuff.
Most factories etc that run a night shift can put people on it if they need the people but they offer a rotation.
I still say train the bus drivers that way we have a hell of a lot of spare drivers to cover the increased shifts"
I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it.
The issue is not that they are badly off. It is that their employer is trying to change their contract. We live in a world where when you sign up for a job it is expected that your employer will not try to change what they signed up to. If they do we are entitled to withdraw our labour in protest if the new contract is unsatisfactory.
Would you happily take a pay cut or work much longer hours just to ensure your customers did not have to post on social media how upset they are?
On a temporary basis only.
And you realise in 90% of people's contracts there's a clause saying "according to business needs" that covers this kind of stuff.
Most factories etc that run a night shift can put people on it if they need the people but they offer a rotation.
I still say train the bus drivers that way we have a hell of a lot of spare drivers to cover the increased shifts
I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though."
Jess you got shafted a bit there.
For those t&c I'd be wanting 60k
Ironically my ideal career path would have me on very similar t&c plus the requirement to be out of the country for 9 months of the year but that would be on 60k+ :p
But sadly it's unlikely to happen |
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"Solidarity let's all strike beats working any day "
My union negotiated me out of a pay rise when the company was willing to offer one to my class of worker because the majority of the membership wouldn't have been eligible for it.
Same union that demands if the unskilled workers get a rise the skilled must get an equal rose to keep the pay gap.
But when we came in as multi skilled ohhhh no us getting a higher level than normal skilled would be unfair...
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I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though.
Jess you got shafted a bit there.
For those t&c I'd be wanting 60k
Ironically my ideal career path would have me on very similar t&c plus the requirement to be out of the country for 9 months of the year but that would be on 60k+ :p
But sadly it's unlikely to happen"
I knew what was on the table when I signed up and was happy to put my name down. Got to be honest the jobs mightily stressful at times, but I love it.o
If things change and I don't like it I have the same choice as everyone else. Accept or move on.
Seems like the same choices the train drivers have, overly simplified I'm sure, I don't think they realise what a good deal they have or what the alternatives are in the real world. |
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I work construction and strikes are rarely heard we have no across the board union but work conditions and payable decided before a job.. It's very volatile at the height of this so called recession my job was down from £20 an hour to £8 an hour it now at £15 |
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I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though.
Jess you got shafted a bit there.
For those t&c I'd be wanting 60k
Ironically my ideal career path would have me on very similar t&c plus the requirement to be out of the country for 9 months of the year but that would be on 60k+ :p
But sadly it's unlikely to happen
I knew what was on the table when I signed up and was happy to put my name down. Got to be honest the jobs mightily stressful at times, but I love it.o
If things change and I don't like it I have the same choice as everyone else. Accept or move on.
Seems like the same choices the train drivers have, overly simplified I'm sure, I don't think they realise what a good deal they have or what the alternatives are in the real world. "
Aye those words "love it" are worth more than nearly any reimbursement.
I think they know exactly what a good deal they have but they know they have the tfl over a barrel and can duck them for all they want. |
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My two pennies worth.
From what I understand the way unions work the union leaders can not call a strike off their own back.
First there will be branch meetings and at these meetings a proposal to strike is asked by a member and then seconded by another member.
This is then put to a vote at the meeting. If carried a ballot to strike is carried out.
The ballot to the affected members is carried out and if a yes vote the company is notified that the members will strike.
At each point the members are the ones deciding and the majority wins.
It's not the union leaders just deciding to strike it is a break down in negotiations between the union and the managers that lead up to strike action being called.
Without such unions being there to protect and look after their members T&c's you end up with people working on jobs like the gentlemen above.
Be honest with yorself and think which situation you would rather be in. Have a union behind you or just let the management walk all over you. |
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I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though.
Jess you got shafted a bit there.
For those t&c I'd be wanting 60k
Ironically my ideal career path would have me on very similar t&c plus the requirement to be out of the country for 9 months of the year but that would be on 60k+ :p
But sadly it's unlikely to happen
I knew what was on the table when I signed up and was happy to put my name down. Got to be honest the jobs mightily stressful at times, but I love it.o
If things change and I don't like it I have the same choice as everyone else. Accept or move on.
Seems like the same choices the train drivers have, overly simplified I'm sure, I don't think they realise what a good deal they have or what the alternatives are in the real world.
Aye those words "love it" are worth more than nearly any reimbursement.
I think they know exactly what a good deal they have but they know they have the tfl over a barrel and can duck them for all they want."
Love the job, my boss can be a bell end.
I'm not legally or contractually allowed to strike either.
On the flip side things could go horribly wrong if I didn't rock up for work.  |
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I support them fully if everyone stood up we would not have the worst working conditions in western Europe or the silly pathetic 0 contracts or the new apprentice stacking shelves at tesco, it's disgraceful in such a rich country we have the lowest paid holidays in Europe western |
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This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace |
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I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though.
Jess you got shafted a bit there.
For those t&c I'd be wanting 60k
Ironically my ideal career path would have me on very similar t&c plus the requirement to be out of the country for 9 months of the year but that would be on 60k+ :p
But sadly it's unlikely to happen
I knew what was on the table when I signed up and was happy to put my name down. Got to be honest the jobs mightily stressful at times, but I love it.o
If things change and I don't like it I have the same choice as everyone else. Accept or move on.
Seems like the same choices the train drivers have, overly simplified I'm sure, I don't think they realise what a good deal they have or what the alternatives are in the real world.
Aye those words "love it" are worth more than nearly any reimbursement.
I think they know exactly what a good deal they have but they know they have the tfl over a barrel and can duck them for all they want.
Love the job, my boss can be a bell end.
I'm not legally or contractually allowed to strike either.
On the flip side things could go horribly wrong if I didn't rock up for work. "
Ah can you chuck me a pm can't message you due to filters something has just click dthat I want to clarify lol |
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"This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace "
Have you seen what's counted as poverty though?
It's what your parents would have classed as very well off |
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"as someone called clarkson said, they shoukd be teaken outside and shot in front of there family for holding the country to ransom."
The country?
A slight exaggeration surely. At best they are holding a tiny minority to ransom. An illustration of the self importance of London. |
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"This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace "
I think I know where your coming from, although I'd have agreed more if most union bosses didn't earn ridiculously more than the people they represent, more than the prime minister and more than many doctors.
Any yet they're frequently the ones moaning about fat cat bosses. |
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"This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace
I think I know where your coming from, although I'd have agreed more if most union bosses didn't earn ridiculously more than the people they represent, more than the prime minister and more than many doctors.
Any yet they're frequently the ones moaning about fat cat bosses. "
The union bosses are paid by the union members fee. Not many union member complaining about the people who are looking after them.
MP's are paid by every tax payer so tax payers complain.
Who appears to be doing the better job on behalf of the people who pay them?
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"This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace
I think I know where your coming from, although I'd have agreed more if most union bosses didn't earn ridiculously more than the people they represent, more than the prime minister and more than many doctors.
Any yet they're frequently the ones moaning about fat cat bosses.
The union bosses are paid by the union members fee. Not many union member complaining about the people who are looking after them.
MP's are paid by every tax payer so tax payers complain.
Who appears to be doing the better job on behalf of the people who pay them?
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Who's doing the better job? Subjective question.
I notice you plucked MPs out and ignored doctors, who are also paid by the taxpayer and probably do the best job of all.
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"This country has been and continues to be ripped apart by greedy selfish bosses that are egotistical money mad corruption legalised for the first time statistics show by 2050 a 1/4 of the population will be born and die in poverty it's an utter disgrace
I think I know where your coming from, although I'd have agreed more if most union bosses didn't earn ridiculously more than the people they represent, more than the prime minister and more than many doctors.
Any yet they're frequently the ones moaning about fat cat bosses.
The union bosses are paid by the union members fee. Not many union member complaining about the people who are looking after them.
MP's are paid by every tax payer so tax payers complain.
Who appears to be doing the better job on behalf of the people who pay them?
Who's doing the better job? Subjective question.
I notice you plucked MPs out and ignored doctors, who are also paid by the taxpayer and probably do the best job of all.
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The list is never ending as to who gets what and who gets more.
At the end of the day the question is are you happy with the job being done by the people who pay their wages.
It would seem in the case of the unions members who pay there wages yes they are.
If you are not in a union why are you going to be worried how much someone in a top job is being paid? |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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Another lets troll the underground workers thread. The fact is that the cleaners on the underground are paid barely more than the minimum wage. There are many workers working for LU that don't get paid anywhere near the same salary as the drivers. Incidentally the drivers make up a very small portion of LU workers. All workers except drivers (for safety reasons they do not do overtime) do 21/2 hours unpaid overtime everyday which is accrued and taken as time off.
This is wrongly called holiday. The strike is about changes to working hours and conditions and making the already unsociable hours even worse, affecting the work life balance and increasing unhealthy shift patterns.
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"The strike started now till Friday morning, boris said they wont get it, so why fight for what they believe in?."
so roll over, part ones cheeks and say 'go ahead' ?
this has been imposed without proper consultation and with anything like that if you don't fight you get walked on..
some will say yes they get paid x amount which is a bit of a none argument given this is not about pay its about a change of contract which those within that industry are opposed in the present format..
negotiation will lead to a settlement in the end..
but for those on here saying 'they should just accept it/ lucky to have a job/ its an easy job and not as hard as this or that would anyone allow their terms and conditions to be amended such like..
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the strike relates to drivers change in contracts due to the bosses wanting it 24 hour tube services and they want re assurances for the night shift, imagine being in a job for 10 years and getting home to your family and all of a sudden being put on night shift without any say, yes they will employ more drivers but they also expect a high number of current driver to work these shifts, its not exactly what they signed up for |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?"
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance. |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance."
Heard about this work life balance thing on the radio today .... interesting concept. |
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take a tube train driver he travels an average of 1 hour to work and around same home add his shift, what about he partner wife and the effects on them with their job juggling kids etc, theres bosses want them just to accept the changes , there have been no proper consultation with regard to safety work practices and change in contract, i would like to think we have one of the safest rail networks for a capital city, to an earlier post... would you feel safe traveling through london on the tube with no driver at 4 in the morning on your own and suddenly a group of rowdy d*unks get on the same tube |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance."
That's right I just forgot about the shift changes that's being changed for them. |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance.That's right I just forgot about the shift changes that's being changed for them."
what about balance in life you have kids your wife/partner works around your shifts and suddenly this has to all stop ) not many families can survive on one wage these days |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance.That's right I just forgot about the shift changes that's being changed for them.
what about balance in life you have kids your wife/partner works around your shifts and suddenly this has to all stop) not many families can survive on one wage these days"
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance.
Heard about this work life balance thing on the radio today .... interesting concept. "
Interesting indeed! Suspect there are a lot of workers around the country who might look at the current work life balance of tube drivers on their pay/holidays/benefits and wondering what the problem is! |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance.That's right I just forgot about the shift changes that's being changed for them.
what about balance in life you have kids your wife/partner works around your shifts and suddenly this has to all stop) not many families can survive on one wage these daysThat's right but then you can argue what about sectors that don't have unions? "
i work in construction i have contracts that are very favourable to my needs, sadly no union as work is always short contracts and construction 75% is laid off before xmas as they would have to pay you the holiday season your hourly rate wen your off.. and other sectors that have no union, well they have the choice to join a union if they want to do so. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
In my last job in the city, as a skilled professional, I earned about 22K less than the tube drivers are on and only got 25 days holiday a year.
Oh, and there was no Union to join (not that I would have done anyway - don't like them)
The big difference between me and the tube drivers is that I worked in the Private sector. If I didn't like my situation, the choice was simple (as far as my employer was concerned at least) - find another job.
And yes, I suffered the inconvenience of tube strikes as I was still required to get to work"
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
In my last job in the city, as a skilled professional, I earned about 22K less than the tube drivers are on and only got 25 days holiday a year.
Oh, and there was no Union to join (not that I would have done anyway - don't like them)
The big difference between me and the tube drivers is that I worked in the Private sector. If I didn't like my situation, the choice was simple (as far as my employer was concerned at least) - find another job.
And yes, I suffered the inconvenience of tube strikes as I was still required to get to work
You could have joined a union. They might have helped you get a better deal. It's not a race to the bottom you know."
majoirty of work in construction is self employed so you have no access to the full benefits the working payee has and no union fully represents self employed |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
Sounds to me like they are currently getting a good deal. Wish i could earn that much and work those hours. Train driving is the way to go if I decide to change jobs by the sound of it.
The issue is not that they are badly off. It is that their employer is trying to change their contract. We live in a world where when you sign up for a job it is expected that your employer will not try to change what they signed up to. If they do we are entitled to withdraw our labour in protest if the new contract is unsatisfactory.
Would you happily take a pay cut or work much longer hours just to ensure your customers did not have to post on social media how upset they are?
On a temporary basis only.
And you realise in 90% of people's contracts there's a clause saying "according to business needs" that covers this kind of stuff.
Most factories etc that run a night shift can put people on it if they need the people but they offer a rotation.
I still say train the bus drivers that way we have a hell of a lot of spare drivers to cover the increased shifts
I'm on call 24/7/365.
I earn less than a train driver and have less leave.
I don't get free or subsidised travel.
I don't get paid overtime.
My contract says that my employer can change my T's and C's at any time to suit the business needs.
I've accepted that and get on with it, just like 99% of the rest of the population.
Train drivers are not the exception to the rule.
I do think it's the militant leaders of the unions stirring it up more than the rank and file members though."
I've got a shit deal, so everyone else should? Why not improve your conditions instead of dragging other people's down? |
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On another note.
If and when this 24 hour running comes into place when is the maintenance worker supposed to carry out the maintenance and safety checks.
Have any of you even bothered to think about that? |
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"I recon the drivers are happy with their wages but is it a case of the unions being greedy?
Once again in case you do not understand!
The dispute is not about money it is about work/life balance.That's right I just forgot about the shift changes that's being changed for them.
what about balance in life you have kids your wife/partner works around your shifts and suddenly this has to all stop) not many families can survive on one wage these days"
Lots of families have to and its only going to get worse. I have managed on my own until very recently, as has Mr, both have teenagers and are single parents. My oldest says, you were great at providing financially for us, mum, but not there at all emotionally, oh well, at least got something right .... Mr is in the building trade but agency worker, its massively stressful when one contract ends, but at least I have a permanent job ... and it pays not too badly |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the trains drive themselves anyway, the guy in the front just presses a button to say the train is ready to go, and potentially operates the emergency brake in an emergency.
On the other hand, do you not think that employees of any company should be protected from having the terms of their job changed whenever it suits the bosses?they don't earn enough to not have a union tho, have you seen what they make? currently paid £49,673 a year. only work a 36-hour week and have 43 days of leave, according to London Underground. If that's not fair, not sure what is.
In my last job in the city, as a skilled professional, I earned about 22K less than the tube drivers are on and only got 25 days holiday a year.
Oh, and there was no Union to join (not that I would have done anyway - don't like them)
The big difference between me and the tube drivers is that I worked in the Private sector. If I didn't like my situation, the choice was simple (as far as my employer was concerned at least) - find another job.
And yes, I suffered the inconvenience of tube strikes as I was still required to get to work
You could have joined a union. They might have helped you get a better deal. It's not a race to the bottom you know.majoirty of work in construction is self employed so you have no access to the full benefits the working payee has and no union fully represents self employed"
But you would get some representation. Don't knock it till you've tried it. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the Union is doing a very good job in achieving what it is designed to do. I am not so certain that Unions are doing such a good job in other sectors. I do echo what others have said in terms of salary but then I have never had to cope with mowing down a body and watching the slime on my windscreen."
SBB train drivers (Swiss National Railways for all) earn CHF 6-7'000 per month (top £4'300pmth) work 46 hours a week, every 2nd weekend and have 4 weeks holidays. Trains / trams / buses even ferry ships run on time and 91% of all SBB employees are in an union. Do they strike ? Answer no. For the last 4 years they have not received a salary increase as the finances of the SBB are in deep red. Do they complain ? Answer No... The reason - They are professionals and know that people are depended on them !
PS Every 3rd suicide in Switzerland is by jumping under a train or a tram. The drivers get 2 weeks off and 3 months on a couch...but then back to work  |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the Union is doing a very good job in achieving what it is designed to do. I am not so certain that Unions are doing such a good job in other sectors. I do echo what others have said in terms of salary but then I have never had to cope with mowing down a body and watching the slime on my windscreen.
SBB train drivers (Swiss National Railways for all) earn CHF 6-7'000 per month (top £4'300pmth) work 46 hours a week, every 2nd weekend and have 4 weeks holidays. Trains / trams / buses even ferry ships run on time and 91% of all SBB employees are in an union. Do they strike ? Answer no. For the last 4 years they have not received a salary increase as the finances of the SBB are in deep red. Do they complain ? Answer No... The reason - They are professionals and know that people are depended on them !
PS Every 3rd suicide in Switzerland is by jumping under a train or a tram. The drivers get 2 weeks off and 3 months on a couch...but then back to work "
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?"
Every train on the DLR has a member of staff on it who can drive the train when needed.
Just thought I would point that out. |
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"We got another tube strike yet again on wed, just over a month ago with the other one, is it time to replace it with driverless trains as the drivers are unreliable to do their job? DLR don't got drivers and neither has croydons trams, whats your thought?
I think that the Union is doing a very good job in achieving what it is designed to do. I am not so certain that Unions are doing such a good job in other sectors. I do echo what others have said in terms of salary but then I have never had to cope with mowing down a body and watching the slime on my windscreen.
SBB train drivers (Swiss National Railways for all) earn CHF 6-7'000 per month (top £4'300pmth) work 46 hours a week, every 2nd weekend and have 4 weeks holidays. Trains / trams / buses even ferry ships run on time and 91% of all SBB employees are in an union. Do they strike ? Answer no. For the last 4 years they have not received a salary increase as the finances of the SBB are in deep red. Do they complain ? Answer No... The reason - They are professionals and know that people are depended on them !
PS Every 3rd suicide in Switzerland is by jumping under a train or a tram. The drivers get 2 weeks off and 3 months on a couch...but then back to work
Do they run a 24 hour train service?"
yes compare the working pracctices and level of usage between london and swizz, a fact the london underground google how many times the londond undergound half the world population travel the underground each year, that fact amazes me nothing to do with thread |
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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago
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We had this thread the last time we went on strike and again ill say to you shag it's not about money . We don't want the money we want some weekends off to see our kids and I've seen my new rota and ill be working 36 weekends out of 44 . Stop reading the sub standard and know your facts before writing your tosh here ! |
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"We had this thread the last time we went on strike and again ill say to you shag it's not about money . We don't want the money we want some weekends off to see our kids and I've seen my new rota and ill be working 36 weekends out of 44 . Stop reading the sub standard and know your facts before writing your tosh here !"
That's right, but I work every Saturday and I don't complain, I just take some Saturdays of as a normal holiday tho.
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Can't see why they shouldn't have driverless trains in this day and age but instead of sacking the drivers give the customers more on train staff making it a safer and more relaxed journey... that many people I know don't like riding the tube because of beggars/d*unks/your gripe here. .. Make as much money as you want just give us a decent service fucking useless weak management !!!
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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago
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We can argue till the cows come home but what would you do if your boss tells you out of the blue that you are working every Friday and Saturday and there is nothing that you can do ! We are not against the weekend working but the way it's been brought in and no one spoke to us about it.they never spoke to the union or there own staff ,Boris just said it over the news and his word is final ! I'm sorry mate but the rota is crap it's not giving me any time with my kids and if it's tweaked a wee bit here and there it could work out but he doesn't want to speak to the unions and he has never been to a meeting with our reps ! Tell me one good thing that he has done ? |
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"We can argue till the cows come home but what would you do if your boss tells you out of the blue that you are working every Friday and Saturday and there is nothing that you can do ! We are not against the weekend working but the way it's been brought in and no one spoke to us about it.they never spoke to the union or there own staff ,Boris just said it over the news and his word is final ! I'm sorry mate but the rota is crap it's not giving me any time with my kids and if it's tweaked a wee bit here and there it could work out but he doesn't want to speak to the unions and he has never been to a meeting with our reps ! Tell me one good thing that he has done ?"
That's right. I wouldn't either be happy about it. I guess as I don't have kids I see it differently I recon and yes boris did say he wouldn't negotiate, you recon ur rota ever will change for the better? Not sure what boris has done, what about the buses he introduced?.
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over a year ago
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"And if any of you are interested part time jobs as customer service assistance are now on tfl website and its 4 hours a day 5 days a week £17000 and 52 days off ! "
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"We had this thread the last time we went on strike and again ill say to you shag it's not about money . We don't want the money we want some weekends off to see our kids and I've seen my new rota and ill be working 36 weekends out of 44 . Stop reading the sub standard and know your facts before writing your tosh here !"
good for you a do hope you get the standard of social well being many take for granted |
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"The buses hmm that are meant to be eco friendly but use only 15 electric and the rest not eco friendly ."
That's right, they are not that eco friendly.
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"The buses hmm that are meant to be eco friendly but use only 15 electric and the rest not eco friendly ."
a seen the programme about the buses most days all buses run on diesel are more polution than the old ones, the batter packs dont give enough power so have been taken out for the time being it was shcking and the cost of each bus |
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