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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Recently started going regularly to one at my new gym. Something that's nothing new though, and that I've seen for years, is just how one sided the male to female ratio is (reminds me of somewhere else...), it must be somewhere around 6-7 guys to one woman - they even have women only sessions.
So, out of curiosity, what are womens thoughts toward saunas - do you like them, are they too much for you, do you feel uncomfortable around the guys? |
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I don't like them they make me feel claustrophobic. I feel very uncomfortable around some men and comfortable around others mainly depending on how they act and if I was in a normal sauna would far rather it was women only. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I can't use them. I have sensitive skin prone to thread veins which can be caused or made worse by saunas.
I've tried one a couple of times anyway but I wasn't particularly fussed by them.
The proximity to guys or potentially being outnumbered by them wouldn't bother me, at least at the gym and within regular operating hours. I don't think I'd want to be the only woman with a group of guys at 3am in one of those 24hr gyms. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's the same in the one I use, But I find more use the steam room then the sauna "
Ditto, when I do see a rare woman, it's even rarer she uses the sauna, the Jacuzzi and steam room are far more popular. |
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A gym we used to go to had a steam room and sauna. I preferred the steam room to the sauna and I often was the only woman in there. I didn't really feel intimidated but sometimes slightly uncomfortable if I could hear heavy breathing but not really see much ( I'm pretty sure it was to do with the steam)
A funny one was when both me and Mr were in there but in different corners, after several other men came in I left and they then went on to talk about me.... husband still in there listening to their comments..... just glad they were good comments!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?"
Ones a dry heat the others wet, the water evaporates so quickly on the stones that you don't even get vapour (I believe that's what happens anyway), in a steam room the hot steam is piped in directly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Ones a dry heat the others wet, the water evaporates so quickly on the stones that you don't even get vapour (I believe that's what happens anyway), in a steam room the hot steam is piped in directly."
Evaporate v. tr. intr.
To change or convert into a vapour. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?"
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room."
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Like being in a sauna but don't like the striped effect it leaves on my legs afterwards, plus I likethe top step but it's a bit high but it's a great way of getting someone to help me down  |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?"
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases."
But surely, if it's hot water .... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases."
That doesn't explain why you feel a considerable heat increase when you pour water on the stones. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I wear glasses and they steam up and wen I take them off I can't see cos I'm blind as bat haha  "
Warm your glasses up first, it stops condensation settling on them. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ...."
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I usually only do 10 - 15 minutes in the sauna as I find it saps your energy and sometimes I struggle to breath in them
Not to mention what it does to your hair  "
You and me both... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like saunas. I dont care if there are blokes in there. As long as they dont mind me. I am not an attractive young woman though. Think I may have viewed things differently 30 years ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be? "
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
That doesn't explain why you feel a considerable heat increase when you pour water on the stones."
Increased blood flow in the nether regions?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like saunas. I dont care if there are blokes in there. As long as they dont mind me. I am not an attractive young woman though. Think I may have viewed things differently 30 years ago."
To be honest you do get a lot more mature than young women in saunas, do you feel less likely to be leered at? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
That doesn't explain why you feel a considerable heat increase when you pour water on the stones."
I don't know - I can't use saunas.
I could theorise but I can't say for sure.
I could also be wrong. I've never studied sauna science  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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At my gym although I have access to the the sauna and pool etc I normally just use the gym itself. I'm guessing in a 'proper' gym everything is all legit and above board - i.e. no nudity in the sauna / steam room but everyone securely in a towel etc.
In which case is it really any different to using the pool in a bikini? I guess it's more intimate and enclosed which could cause some uncomfortableness for some? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be?
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam."
Yup, but the _water_ (i.e. liquid state) can't be much hotter. As steam, it would reasonably be expected to be above 90-something °C, (excluding air pressure effects and such).
Even in the high 90's the evaporation rate without the water actually boiling and becoming steam would be quite high. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be?
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam.
Yup, but the _water_ (i.e. liquid state) can't be much hotter. As steam, it would reasonably be expected to be above 90-something °C, (excluding air pressure effects and such).
Even in the high 90's the evaporation rate without the water actually boiling and becoming steam would be quite high."
Maybe there is a balance between rocks loosing some heat and the water gaining a little? No net gain in energy sort of thing?
Apart from Brians brain working overtime?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I do feel less likely to be leered at, yes. I guess also I am more confident these days than in the past. I did hesitate recently to get in a public hot tub with four middle aged men. Maybe I was conscious of the bubbly boob wobble effect...lol! |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be?
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam.
Yup, but the _water_ (i.e. liquid state) can't be much hotter. As steam, it would reasonably be expected to be above 90-something °C, (excluding air pressure effects and such).
Even in the high 90's the evaporation rate without the water actually boiling and becoming steam would be quite high.
Maybe there is a balance between rocks loosing some heat and the water gaining a little? No net gain in energy sort of thing?
Apart from Brians brain working overtime?
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There may be a dragonfly flapping its wings over a small lily pond in Tibet offsetting the effect.
To be fair, I wonder these sorts of things quite often too. Usually at 2am when I have to be up early that day  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be?
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam.
Yup, but the _water_ (i.e. liquid state) can't be much hotter. As steam, it would reasonably be expected to be above 90-something °C, (excluding air pressure effects and such).
Even in the high 90's the evaporation rate without the water actually boiling and becoming steam would be quite high.
Maybe there is a balance between rocks loosing some heat and the water gaining a little? No net gain in energy sort of thing?
Apart from Brians brain working overtime?
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I'm sticking with my theory about the water carrying some of the rocks heat into direct contact with the skin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Dry heat makes sweat evaporate.
Steam on the other hand settles on your (cooler) skin and condenses.In a steam room you are enveloped in water vapour which is cooler than newly created steam and it cools as it touches your body. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Low humidity, your sweat evaporates and cools you down. Higher humidity your sweat can't evaporate as easily. You stop cooling down, which in turn warms you up. I guess. |
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases.
But surely, if it's hot water ....
Saunas are kept at up to 90-something °C. How much hotter do you think the water could be?
Well, subject to any impurities, ie urethic acid, it ought to be a little over 100deg C when it converts to steam.
Yup, but the _water_ (i.e. liquid state) can't be much hotter. As steam, it would reasonably be expected to be above 90-something °C, (excluding air pressure effects and such).
Even in the high 90's the evaporation rate without the water actually boiling and becoming steam would be quite high.
Maybe there is a balance between rocks loosing some heat and the water gaining a little? No net gain in energy sort of thing?
Apart from Brians brain working overtime?
I'm sticking with my theory about the water carrying some of the rocks heat into direct contact with the skin."
Pouring water on the rocks indeed transfers heat from the rocks into the newly formed vapour and that vapour is able to conduct heat probably about four to five times that of dry air so it makes the room feel hotter as more heat energy is able to be transferred to your body in the same given time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It "feels" hotter because the water vapour increases the humidity.
The water actually cools the stones which cause the heat through convection, but it's the humidity increase which causes it to feel warmer the temperature would stay pretty steady.
So yeah pouring water on does make it feel hotter but it wouldn't register hotter on a thermometer |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Pouring water can raise the temperature as long as you don't pour too much on . The water turning to vapour increases the heat transfer from the rocks to the air in the same way it increases the transfer of the heat from the air to your skin . So as long as you don't pour shit loads on and make the stones cold it will increase temperature in the sauna |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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Noticed this too OP - personally, when I was going to the gym, I would hit it that hard the hydro area was an essential part to my workout. I'd spend as long winding down as I would 'working out', and was too busted to bother chatting never mind anything else.
Coulnd't say anything about the other guys routines, but I cant say I saw them around the gym, they would just loiter around the pool/steam rooms/saunas really, though they never pestered - they were just guys, that if a woman did appear would seemingly shrink from view in all honesty. |
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"Stupid question but what's the difference between a sauna and a steam room. I thought the idea of the sauna was to put water on hot rocks to get steam ?
Saunas are much hotter than steam rooms. Saunas have a low humidity whereas steam rooms have a high - approaching 100% - humidity. As SB correctly states, it's dry heat vs. wet heat.
Pouring water on hot rocks in a sauna produces steam and raises the humidity a little, temporarily, but to nowhere near the extent of that in a steam room.
Is the reason the room heats up when water is poured on the stones, because upon turning to vapour, it better allows the heat to be carried away from them?
The room doesn't get hotter, the moisture content of the air increases."
The room does get hotter as the heat energy stored in the water vapour is transferred to the air much more quickly than just the radiant heat from the heating element. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The steam room is better for the skin... Head there u will find all the women "
I've been in the steam room multiple times and have yet to see you in there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The steam room is better for the skin... Head there u will find all the women
I've been in the steam room multiple times and have yet to see you in there."
Hehe ur blinded by all the other women  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The steam room is better for the skin... Head there u will find all the women
I've been in the steam room multiple times and have yet to see you in there.
Hehe ur blinded by all the other women "
Wear a red bikini the same colour as your avatar, that'd grab my attention |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Recently started going regularly to one at my new gym. Something that's nothing new though, and that I've seen for years, is just how one sided the male to female ratio is (reminds me of somewhere else...), it must be somewhere around 6-7 guys to one woman - they even have women only sessions.
So, out of curiosity, what are womens thoughts toward saunas - do you like them, are they too much for you, do you feel uncomfortable around the guys?"
I love saunas and I don't mind men being in them the same time as me. The thoughts that go through my mind are rather erotic   |
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"Recently started going regularly to one at my new gym. Something that's nothing new though, and that I've seen for years, is just how one sided the male to female ratio is (reminds me of somewhere else...), it must be somewhere around 6-7 guys to one woman - they even have women only sessions.
So, out of curiosity, what are womens thoughts toward saunas - do you like them, are they too much for you, do you feel uncomfortable around the guys?"
I use the sauna sometimes at my gym, there's rarely anyone in it. I tend to avoid the rooms or pool if they have guys in. I'm just not really comfortable sitting in the same room as someone silently.
I don't really like gym saunas though. Feels weird to sauna or steam with a swimsuit on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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First time I was in a sauna, was mixed - on a work do.
One of the girls sitting opposite me had a pubic hair peeking out her bikini bottom. Do you think she was coming on to me?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"First time I was in a sauna, was mixed - on a work do.
One of the girls sitting opposite me had a pubic hair peeking out her bikini bottom. Do you think she was coming on to me?
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It depends,
Was her pubic hair pointing in your direction  |
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"First time I was in a sauna, was mixed - on a work do.
One of the girls sitting opposite me had a pubic hair peeking out her bikini bottom. Do you think she was coming on to me?
It depends,
Was her pubic hair pointing in your direction "
at first yes, but when I manouevred myself into that little space between her feet- it suddenly started pointing at the ceiling.
Funnily enough, all her hair did - like right at the same time.
definite come on, you're right |
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By *AJANCouple
over a year ago
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"I usually only do 10 - 15 minutes in the sauna as I find it saps your energy and sometimes I struggle to breath in them
Not to mention what it does to your hair "
If you put conditioner and go into the steam it dies wonders to you hair  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Walked into a sauna in Germany to be confronted be a women's aqua aerobics class.....all nude. They looked at me, still wearing my swimming shorts and one lady said... Ah English. |
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"Recently started going regularly to one at my new gym. Something that's nothing new though, and that I've seen for years, is just how one sided the male to female ratio is (reminds me of somewhere else...), it must be somewhere around 6-7 guys to one woman - they even have women only sessions.
So, out of curiosity, what are womens thoughts toward saunas - do you like them, are they too much for you, do you feel uncomfortable around the guys?
I love saunas and I don't mind men being in them the same time as me. The thoughts that go through my mind are rather erotic "
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing? "
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go. "
I've never actually seen such women harassed or made to feel uncomfortable, at most they just get more guys trying to talk to them. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go. "
How is finding a woman attractive in any way harassing them? Are men not allowed to think now without written permission of the female nearby? Good heavens. It is human nature to look around us and see what or who is nearby.
If someone were to act inappropriately towards someone because that person found them attractive then it would be understandable that the receiver of this attention would not necessarily want to be there. However thinking about someone is in no way either inappropriate or threatening. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go.
I've never actually seen such women harassed or made to feel uncomfortable, at most they just get more guys trying to talk to them."
I don't go to saunas to be letched at or chatted up.
I go to relax and get my body into shape. The same as the guys there.
It would be great if guys could keep their eyes on my face rather than my body so that I didn't feel awkward going somewhere that I go to for my health. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go.
I've never actually seen such women harassed or made to feel uncomfortable, at most they just get more guys trying to talk to them.
I don't go to saunas to be letched at or chatted up.
I go to relax and get my body into shape. The same as the guys there.
It would be great if guys could keep their eyes on my face rather than my body so that I didn't feel awkward going somewhere that I go to for my health."
Fair. However in saunas I (andy) have been in I see both sexes act in exactly the same way.
It depends on the person. Not whether they are male or female. But only one side ever gets attacked for being inappropriate. The other gets held up as sexually liberated and the men told to man up and be grateful.
Double standards abound and must be stopped before that sort of behaviour has any chance of stopping. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go.
I've never actually seen such women harassed or made to feel uncomfortable, at most they just get more guys trying to talk to them.
I don't go to saunas to be letched at or chatted up.
I go to relax and get my body into shape. The same as the guys there.
It would be great if guys could keep their eyes on my face rather than my body so that I didn't feel awkward going somewhere that I go to for my health.
Fair. However in saunas I (andy) have been in I see both sexes act in exactly the same way.
It depends on the person. Not whether they are male or female. But only one side ever gets attacked for being inappropriate. The other gets held up as sexually liberated and the men told to man up and be grateful.
Double standards abound and must be stopped before that sort of behaviour has any chance of stopping. "
For what it's worth I'd never suggest that it was sexually liberated behaviour to make someone else feel uncomfortable.
I'd also never tell a man to 'man up' because I think that's pretty grim language.
But I've never perved on anyone in a sauna (except my partner, when we're alone) and I've never been perved on in a sauna by a woman. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go.
I've never actually seen such women harassed or made to feel uncomfortable, at most they just get more guys trying to talk to them.
I don't go to saunas to be letched at or chatted up.
I go to relax and get my body into shape. The same as the guys there.
It would be great if guys could keep their eyes on my face rather than my body so that I didn't feel awkward going somewhere that I go to for my health.
Fair. However in saunas I (andy) have been in I see both sexes act in exactly the same way.
It depends on the person. Not whether they are male or female. But only one side ever gets attacked for being inappropriate. The other gets held up as sexually liberated and the men told to man up and be grateful.
Double standards abound and must be stopped before that sort of behaviour has any chance of stopping.
For what it's worth I'd never suggest that it was sexually liberated behaviour to make someone else feel uncomfortable.
I'd also never tell a man to 'man up' because I think that's pretty grim language.
But I've never perved on anyone in a sauna (except my partner, when we're alone) and I've never been perved on in a sauna by a woman."
Fair enough but you are somewhat of a different persuasion to some people.
From my experience it happens with sufficient frequency on both sides as to be deemable a common factor in both.
Additionally where you may not declare anyone should just deal with it and I would agree. Society generally goes that way. Both males and females purport that. It is not exclusively females who perpetrate the double standard. |
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Fair enough but you are somewhat of a different persuasion to some people.
From my experience it happens with sufficient frequency on both sides as to be deemable a common factor in both.
Additionally where you may not declare anyone should just deal with it and I would agree. Society generally goes that way. Both males and females purport that. It is not exclusively females who perpetrate the double standard. "
Obviously you can't ignore the elephant in the room though.
Women have been objectified for centuries by men. That's a fact. It simply hasn't happened the other way around in any numbers. So that means that men and women often have different reactions to being objectified in that kind of situation. A guy might enjoy being checked out, but it's likely to make a woman feel uncomfortable even if she doesn't say anything.
Unfortunately we're not equal and we can't just shed around a thousand years of oppressive behaviour that prized women's looks over almost any other talent they had. |
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I prefer the steam room. If anyone is letching (probably not, there are lots of slim nubile blond types at that gym to distract attention) then I can't see them anyway for all the steam. |
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"Starting to see some stunning women showing up now - most of them Polish.
Who says immigration is a bad thing?
If men didn't have this attitude towards women in saunas more would probably go.
How is finding a woman attractive in any way harassing them? Are men not allowed to think now without written permission of the female nearby? Good heavens. It is human nature to look around us and see what or who is nearby.
If someone were to act inappropriately towards someone because that person found them attractive then it would be understandable that the receiver of this attention would not necessarily want to be there. However thinking about someone is in no way either inappropriate or threatening."
Who the fuck said anything about harassing women? |
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Fair enough but you are somewhat of a different persuasion to some people.
From my experience it happens with sufficient frequency on both sides as to be deemable a common factor in both.
Additionally where you may not declare anyone should just deal with it and I would agree. Society generally goes that way. Both males and females purport that. It is not exclusively females who perpetrate the double standard.
Obviously you can't ignore the elephant in the room though.
Women have been objectified for centuries by men. That's a fact. It simply hasn't happened the other way around in any numbers. So that means that men and women often have different reactions to being objectified in that kind of situation. A guy might enjoy being checked out, but it's likely to make a woman feel uncomfortable even if she doesn't say anything.
Unfortunately we're not equal and we can't just shed around a thousand years of oppressive behaviour that prized women's looks over almost any other talent they had."
Women have never objectified men in any numbers.
So male strippers, Male prostitutes, diet adverts, etc. None of these count?
To say that it is ok to objectify one side and not another is double standards.
Equality cannot be achieved until such time as everyone disposes of double standards and thinking that treating people differently due to their sex is ok.
To say that women have had it harder so it is ok for them to do certain things is a double standard and is hypocritical.
It also makes it a lot harder to argue for the things which need to happen in society to promote equality for women where it doesn't exist. As it allows eejits to dismiss an argument too easily.
It has always been the case that someone or some body of people arguing against or for something has to act with impunity. Why shouldn't they?
If they are simply arguing to give women more and more and more and not for equality then they must be decried as sexist. If they are arguing for all people to be treated equally and for people never to look at a person and think sexually about them without written permission then that body of people may not themselves act in that way. |
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My point is that a sauna would be more welcoming to women if men didn't make them feel like they were the entertainment. If it bothered men and they felt uncomfortable with 10 women staring at them they wouldn't go either. |
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Fair enough but you are somewhat of a different persuasion to some people.
From my experience it happens with sufficient frequency on both sides as to be deemable a common factor in both.
Additionally where you may not declare anyone should just deal with it and I would agree. Society generally goes that way. Both males and females purport that. It is not exclusively females who perpetrate the double standard.
Obviously you can't ignore the elephant in the room though.
Women have been objectified for centuries by men. That's a fact. It simply hasn't happened the other way around in any numbers. So that means that men and women often have different reactions to being objectified in that kind of situation. A guy might enjoy being checked out, but it's likely to make a woman feel uncomfortable even if she doesn't say anything.
Unfortunately we're not equal and we can't just shed around a thousand years of oppressive behaviour that prized women's looks over almost any other talent they had.
Women have never objectified men in any numbers.
So male strippers, Male prostitutes, diet adverts, etc. None of these count?
To say that it is ok to objectify one side and not another is double standards.
Equality cannot be achieved until such time as everyone disposes of double standards and thinking that treating people differently due to their sex is ok.
To say that women have had it harder so it is ok for them to do certain things is a double standard and is hypocritical.
It also makes it a lot harder to argue for the things which need to happen in society to promote equality for women where it doesn't exist. As it allows eejits to dismiss an argument too easily.
It has always been the case that someone or some body of people arguing against or for something has to act with impunity. Why shouldn't they?
If they are simply arguing to give women more and more and more and not for equality then they must be decried as sexist. If they are arguing for all people to be treated equally and for people never to look at a person and think sexually about them without written permission then that body of people may not themselves act in that way."
So, men only harass women cos of Diet Coke adverts? |
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Women have never objectified men in any numbers.
So male strippers, Male prostitutes, diet adverts, etc. None of these count?
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Those are extreme minorities! Women have been treated primarily as objects to be looked at for centuries. They were prevented from having careers, free sex lives, basically they generally weren't allowed to do anything other than look pretty and have babies.
Male prostitutes aren't generally objectified by women. The vast majority of male prostitutes are actually gay. Women who have paid for male prostitutes are in an extreme minority.
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To say that it is ok to objectify one side and not another is double standards.
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I didn't say that. I said that men and women often respond differently to being objectified.
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Equality cannot be achieved until such time as everyone disposes of double standards and thinking that treating people differently due to their sex is ok.
To say that women have had it harder so it is ok for them to do certain things is a double standard and is hypocritical.
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I didn't say it was ok for women to do certain things because they've been treated differently historically. I said that women sometimes have different reactions to things because of the way that society has and does treat them.
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It also makes it a lot harder to argue for the things which need to happen in society to promote equality for women where it doesn't exist. As it allows eejits to dismiss an argument too easily.
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Yes, I quite agree. Which is why I focused on the reactions that people have rather than the behaviours that caused them.
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It has always been the case that someone or some body of people arguing against or for something has to act with impunity. Why shouldn't they?
If they are simply arguing to give women more and more and more and not for equality then they must be decried as sexist. If they are arguing for all people to be treated equally and for people never to look at a person and think sexually about them without written permission then that body of people may not themselves act in that way."
I'm sorry, I don't understand those last two paragraphs. I'm simply saying that men and women will often react differently to being perved on by the opposite sex due to the way that society has been in the past and is today. So therefore if we want more women to use saunas, then instead of thinking 'she probably loves it' as many guys seem to think (because they would love it), we should instead restrain our behaviour and consider that men and women often feel very differently about being watched sexually in a public space. |
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Like a sauna not a steam room, it crossed my mind in one once that I might be sat in someone elses sweat. I made a quick exit and haven'tt returned since |
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Women have never objectified men in any numbers.
So male strippers, Male prostitutes, diet adverts, etc. None of these count?
Those are extreme minorities! Women have been treated primarily as objects to be looked at for centuries. They were prevented from having careers, free sex lives, basically they generally weren't allowed to do anything other than look pretty and have babies.
Male prostitutes aren't generally objectified by women. The vast majority of male prostitutes are actually gay. Women who have paid for male prostitutes are in an extreme minority.
To say that it is ok to objectify one side and not another is double standards.
I didn't say that. I said that men and women often respond differently to being objectified.
Equality cannot be achieved until such time as everyone disposes of double standards and thinking that treating people differently due to their sex is ok.
To say that women have had it harder so it is ok for them to do certain things is a double standard and is hypocritical.
I didn't say it was ok for women to do certain things because they've been treated differently historically. I said that women sometimes have different reactions to things because of the way that society has and does treat them.
It also makes it a lot harder to argue for the things which need to happen in society to promote equality for women where it doesn't exist. As it allows eejits to dismiss an argument too easily.
Yes, I quite agree. Which is why I focused on the reactions that people have rather than the behaviours that caused them.
It has always been the case that someone or some body of people arguing against or for something has to act with impunity. Why shouldn't they?
If they are simply arguing to give women more and more and more and not for equality then they must be decried as sexist. If they are arguing for all people to be treated equally and for people never to look at a person and think sexually about them without written permission then that body of people may not themselves act in that way.
I'm sorry, I don't understand those last two paragraphs. I'm simply saying that men and women will often react differently to being perved on by the opposite sex due to the way that society has been in the past and is today. So therefore if we want more women to use saunas, then instead of thinking 'she probably loves it' as many guys seem to think (because they would love it), we should instead restrain our behaviour and consider that men and women often feel very differently about being watched sexually in a public space."
Much of my post was musing on what you wrote and also brining different areas into it. It was not all aimed at what you said. Apologies if it looked that way.
Numbers are not relevant in many cases. If a male using a prostitute is wrong then a female using one is also wrong. Just because fewer females use prostitutes doesn't change that.
I agree re. historical attitudes to men and women and how personal reactions may be biased based on that. But there can only be one standard otherwise we are perpetuating inequality and discrimination based on sex or gender.
All discrimination (other than personal sexual preference etc. ) based on a person's gender is wrong. Both "positive" and negative.
If what people want to stop is people looking at and thinking sexually about others without prior permission then a)good luck and b)to hell with that.
There is a radical puritanism which has latched onto feminism recently and basically says that any sexual thought whatsoever is wrong and thinking about sex with someone is sexist.
I cannot speak for anyone here but given the nature of this site I would be surprised if that ethos prevailed.
Seeing a beautiful person and thinking that sex could be great with them is a basic instinct of humanity and we kinda need it for survival.
Thinking that you are thus entitled to sexual contact with them is cretinous. |
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I agree re. historical attitudes to men and women and how personal reactions may be biased based on that. But there can only be one standard otherwise we are perpetuating inequality and discrimination based on sex or gender."
I'm sorry, I don't agree.
We should not attempt to whitewash everyone into having the same shared experiences. Women, transpeople, gay people, people of colour, they will ALL have different reactions because of their history and treatment in our society.
To say that we are perpetuating inequality by allowing people to have their own personal reactions and their own personal history is simply wrong.
I simply cannot feel the same as you when faced with something. We have not lived the same lives. |
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I agree re. historical attitudes to men and women and how personal reactions may be biased based on that. But there can only be one standard otherwise we are perpetuating inequality and discrimination based on sex or gender.
I'm sorry, I don't agree.
We should not attempt to whitewash everyone into having the same shared experiences. Women, transpeople, gay people, people of colour, they will ALL have different reactions because of their history and treatment in our society.
To say that we are perpetuating inequality by allowing people to have their own personal reactions and their own personal history is simply wrong.
I simply cannot feel the same as you when faced with something. We have not lived the same lives."
I am not saying that there should not be options. I am saying that to accuse one person of inappropriate behaviour based on the fact they are a specific gender is wrong.
Everyone should be allowed to act as they see fit and we should implore people to act in a considerate way, but to say that a man acting in a particular way towards a woman is wrong but a woman acting in the same way towards a man is ok because men have treated women badly in the past is simply daft. It is putting in an arbitrary qualifier which can too easily be held up as someone simply using such arguments to perpetuate their own personal bias or fears.
Society cannot be structured with arbitrary rules, there has to be equality and fairness and transparency in all. |
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It's not just about objectification for me. I wouldn't feel safe in a room full of semi-naked men I don't know. One man can over-power me easily. I know the chances if it happening are slim but it would cross my mind. Even if I had a model body I would not feel comfortable walking into a sauna full of men,alone. I wouldn't go into a pub alone for a drink either if I didn't know anyone in there. I know men who would. |
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"Is suffering sauna heat a bit like enduring extra hot spicy food for men? "
Saunas are to be enjoyed, not suffered. I like to heat up gently, so I get a good thick sheen of sweat dripping off me, but I can still sit and chat comfortably. I feel all clean and shiny |
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"I do feel less likely to be leered at, yes. I guess also I am more confident these days than in the past. I did hesitate recently to get in a public hot tub with four middle aged men. Maybe I was conscious of the bubbly boob wobble effect...lol!"
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I go to quite a few saunas at festivals, frequented by men and women alike in fairly equal numbers - never even a hint of anyone feeling uncomfortable because of the opposite sex.
Now thinking of making my own. |
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"Recently started going regularly to one at my new gym. Something that's nothing new though, and that I've seen for years, is just how one sided the male to female ratio is (reminds me of somewhere else...), it must be somewhere around 6-7 guys to one woman - they even have women only sessions.
So, out of curiosity, what are womens thoughts toward saunas - do you like them, are they too much for you, do you feel uncomfortable around the guys?"
Probably more to do with make up and hair though I am sure that it can't be really comfortable to be a solitary woman in a sauna full of guys. Law of averages suggest that at least one in three of the guys will gawk, get a hard on or do something inappropriate. |
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Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female. |
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"Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female. "
Wtf?
You need to get down the joiner and get a chip installed. |
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"Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female.
Wtf?
You need to get down the joiner and get a chip installed."
My chip is usually sizeable. Maybe because I used to be a swimmer, it's desexualised the whole pool/sauna/steam room thing for me! |
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"Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female.
Wtf?
You need to get down the joiner and get a chip installed.
My chip is usually sizeable. Maybe because I used to be a swimmer, it's desexualised the whole pool/sauna/steam room thing for me! "
Practice makes perfect. |
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"Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female.
Wtf?
You need to get down the joiner and get a chip installed.
My chip is usually sizeable. Maybe because I used to be a swimmer, it's desexualised the whole pool/sauna/steam room thing for me! "
I was a water polo player so I also fine swimsuits, pools and spas desexualised. I think it bothers me *because* some guys are incapable of thinking the same. |
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"Before reading this post I don't think it had ever occurred to me to be worried about men leering or being inappropriate in a sauna or steam room. I don't really recall ever paying much attention to who is in there, male or female.
Wtf?
You need to get down the joiner and get a chip installed.
My chip is usually sizeable. Maybe because I used to be a swimmer, it's desexualised the whole pool/sauna/steam room thing for me!
I was a water polo player so I also fine swimsuits, pools and spas desexualised. I think it bothers me *because* some guys are incapable of thinking the same."
True. And if someone said to me there would be a wooden box with a closing door that I would go in sit in my swimwear with a load of strangers in, say, a nightclub, then hell no! But for some reason saunas don't bother me. |
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I use the sauna at my gym, but always feel cheated because I can't go nude.. I hate sitting in my swim shorts it's far better to be naked siting on a towel and whether it be male or female around you what the heck lol i'am always naked in the sauna at the hotel I use in Teneirife. |
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