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Do clubs place a limit on single men?
Yes they do :p"
so what happens if you turn up having driven miles and the limit is reached or do single guys have to book?
I've never thought of this before  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes they have to pre book usually x
I just never considered it before. Its tough being a single man isn't it  "
Nah it's not. Tis easy.
Just grab yer best mate and go as a couple. Cheaper too.
Any complaints and just remind them of the Irish cake issue.  |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"Out of interest why do you use the title "ladies choice"?"
The "Ladies" is to get the attention of female readers.The single men give the ladies a wider choice of potential partners. Yes, and a few bi guys too.
Only one single answer to the question so far! |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
The answers will help decide whether or not a swingers club will be opened in Plymouth. The profitability would depend on the single-male-to couple ratio. More single men = more money, but vanishing couples.
A lot of us would like a club here. Can you help us make it happen? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"The answers will help decide whether or not a swingers club will be opened in Plymouth. The profitability would depend on the single-male-to couple ratio. More single men = more money, but vanishing couples.
A lot of us would like a club here. Can you help us make it happen?"
There was one. It closed.
If you ask a few of the locals and maybe the old owners they'll probably be able to advise why.
Swingers clubs aren't the goldmine many think they are. If you need to ask the question you did? I assume you've no experience running one. Which is probably the worst starting point there is.
Sorry to be negative - but ask any current club owner for their thoughts and you'll likely hear the same.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do clubs place a limit on single men?
Yes they do :p
so what happens if you turn up having driven miles and the limit is reached or do single guys have to book?
I've never thought of this before "
you get sent away. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The answers will help decide whether or not a swingers club will be opened in Plymouth. The profitability would depend on the single-male-to couple ratio. More single men = more money, but vanishing couples.
A lot of us would like a club here. Can you help us make it happen?"
try a pub first, probably equally likely to close down ina few months but at least you wont have the bad reputation. |
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Do clubs place a limit on single men?
Yes they do :p
so what happens if you turn up having driven miles and the limit is reached or do single guys have to book?
I've never thought of this before
you get sent away. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why Ladies Choice ? Do Male halves of Couples not have an opinion 
Gimp
Pfft
Of course we do 
Do you want me to go and wake Mrs ddc and ask her what mine is 
Mr ddc"
Best not mate you know how Garrity Birds get if they don't get their eighteen Hours of uninterrupted sleep after a Stressful night at Bingo
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Over here in ole norn iron..the couples organising parties work on the basis of invite three times as many single males as you actually need ...due to the amount of no-shows!!!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
So im assuming you mean there are 10 MF couples in the club already? And you want to know how many extra men there should be?
My wife has never wanted more than 2 cocks in an evening (mine plus one more) so we would be happy with just the other couples. But if you found out the average cocks per woman per night that would be useful.
As lots of women (not all) in the lifestyle are bi, wouldnt it also be interesting to ask how many single women should be in the club?
Or we could ask two simple questions. Have you ever heard of people complaining there were too many men in a club? Have you ever heard anyone complaining there were too many women in a club? |
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over a year ago
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"So im assuming you mean there are 10 MF couples in the club already? And you want to know how many extra men there should be?
My wife has never wanted more than 2 cocks in an evening (mine plus one more) so we would be happy with just the other couples. But if you found out the average cocks per woman per night that would be useful.
As lots of women (not all) in the lifestyle are bi, wouldnt it also be interesting to ask how many single women should be in the club?
Or we could ask two simple questions. Have you ever heard of people complaining there were too many men in a club? Have you ever heard anyone complaining there were too many women in a club?"
Well the question he's basically asking is what his cap should be on single males.
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"There was one. It closed.
If you ask a few of the locals and maybe the old owners they'll probably be able to advise why.
Swingers clubs aren't the goldmine many think they are. If you need to ask the question you did? I assume you've no experience running one. Which is probably the worst starting point there is.
Sorry to be negative - but ask any current club owner for their thoughts and you'll likely hear the same.
A"
We know all about Unit 18, we live here. We have now found an existing homosexuals' club who may consider holding swingers nights. They need to know the best couples-to-singles mix |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"So im assuming you mean there are 10 MF couples in the club already? And you want to know how many extra men there should be?
My wife has never wanted more than 2 cocks in an evening (mine plus one more) so we would be happy with just the other couples. But if you found out the average cocks per woman per night that would be useful.
As lots of women (not all) in the lifestyle are bi, wouldnt it also be interesting to ask how many single women should be in the club?
Or we could ask two simple questions. Have you ever heard of people complaining there were too many men in a club? Have you ever heard anyone complaining there were too many women in a club?"
?!?!?!?! |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"There was one. It closed.
If you ask a few of the locals and maybe the old owners they'll probably be able to advise why.
Swingers clubs aren't the goldmine many think they are. If you need to ask the question you did? I assume you've no experience running one. Which is probably the worst starting point there is.
Sorry to be negative - but ask any current club owner for their thoughts and you'll likely hear the same.
A
We know all about Unit 18, we live here. We have now found an existing homosexuals' club who may consider holding swingers nights. They need to know the best couples-to-singles mix"
For what?
A couples night? A mixed night? A greedy girls night?
How big is the venue? How many private rooms will it have? will it have open play areas as well as private? Does it have wet facilities and if so what's the capacity of the tubs/sauna? Is there a large social area? Does it have its own bar? How many staff will there be? Will it be members only? How many nights a week will it be open and will there be different entry criteria on different nights?
Ratios mean nothing without considering the above (and more!).
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"So im assuming you mean there are 10 MF couples in the club already? And you want to know how many extra men there should be?
My wife has never wanted more than 2 cocks in an evening (mine plus one more) so we would be happy with just the other couples. But if you found out the average cocks per woman per night that would be useful.
As lots of women (not all) in the lifestyle are bi, wouldnt it also be interesting to ask how many single women should be in the club?
Or we could ask two simple questions. Have you ever heard of people complaining there were too many men in a club? Have you ever heard anyone complaining there were too many women in a club?
?!?!?!?!"
Brilliant answer. Good luck with the new venture. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"If it's ladies choice why do all the ladies have to be in couples?"
Well it doesn't sound like there will be any single women at the club, so perhaps the OP thinks their views are irrelevant? |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
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For what?
A couples night? A mixed night? A greedy girls night?
How big is the venue? How many private rooms will it have? will it have open play areas as well as private? Does it have wet facilities and if so what's the capacity of the tubs/sauna? Is there a large social area? Does it have its own bar? How many staff will there be? Will it be members only? How many nights a week will it be open and will there be different entry criteria on different nights?
Ratios mean nothing without considering the above (and more!).
A"
Wrong. Look at the threads about single men. |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"If it's ladies choice why do all the ladies have to be in couples?
Well it doesn't sound like there will be any single women at the club, so perhaps the OP thinks their views are irrelevant? "
Thanks for your post.Very useful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im not in a couple nor have I been to a club. I have no idea but why would single men get turned away if they havent booked and do couples or single females have to book? Sorry for daft question  |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
Always thought you reacted to market forces, not try to force the market and different demographics create different markets.
Suppose what I'm saying is try something, if it doesn't work, flex and try something else.
My starting point would be modelling something that works. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
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For what?
A couples night? A mixed night? A greedy girls night?
How big is the venue? How many private rooms will it have? will it have open play areas as well as private? Does it have wet facilities and if so what's the capacity of the tubs/sauna? Is there a large social area? Does it have its own bar? How many staff will there be? Will it be members only? How many nights a week will it be open and will there be different entry criteria on different nights?
Ratios mean nothing without considering the above (and more!).
A
Wrong. Look at the threads about single men."
Really?
Ok.
A couples only night should have no single men.
A mixed night should be just that - mixed - open to all, or should you work out the magical, mythical perfect way to guarantee any ratio (as other clubs have tried and seemingly failed to perfect this approach!) then please feel free to try. Most people are far more concerned about the 'quality' of single male attendees than the numbers. If you allow 10 single males in and they're all ignorant and disrespectful where's the benefit? If you allow as many as want to attend - the couples in attendance all want to play with single men and they are all perfectly suited to those couples preferences then where's the issue? There is no perfect system or ratio. There never will be.
A greedy girls night should aim to attract a higher number of single men. But again - if the guys in attendance aren't to the tastes of the greedy girls then it'll go tits up!!
As for venue size and facilities these are hugely important when considering the numbers of any demographic - couples, single women and single men.
A large venue will require a greater number of attendees. A small venue will be cramped, not provide sufficient social/play areas for anyone - couple or single - and if the only wet facility is a four man hot tub then that'll hardly cater for demand.
Am I still wrong?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
OP, do you realise that most of the people in this thread are offering up questions that you might want to think about so that you can make this club a success?
Secondly, the people who has posted to this thread are your potential future customers?
You have come across extremely negatively and obnoxious in your responses which is sure to drive people away from any club you do open.
When completing market research, you shouldn't alienate your future client base.
Are you even aware that this is how you are coming across? |
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Do clubs place a limit on single men?
Yes they do :p
so what happens if you turn up having driven miles and the limit is reached or do single guys have to book?
I've never thought of this before
you get sent away.
Oh "
Arrive early! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Im not in a couple nor have I been to a club. I have no idea but why would single men get turned away if they havent booked and do couples or single females have to book? Sorry for daft question "
Yes, men get turned away. It would be very rare for a single woman to be turned away but I have been to a club where couples were turned away as it was full and they weren't on the list. I've only seen that once though. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
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For what?
A couples night? A mixed night? A greedy girls night?
How big is the venue? How many private rooms will it have? will it have open play areas as well as private? Does it have wet facilities and if so what's the capacity of the tubs/sauna? Is there a large social area? Does it have its own bar? How many staff will there be? Will it be members only? How many nights a week will it be open and will there be different entry criteria on different nights?
Ratios mean nothing without considering the above (and more!).
A
Wrong. Look at the threads about single men.
Really?
Ok.
A couples only night should have no single men.
A mixed night should be just that - mixed - open to all, or should you work out the magical, mythical perfect way to guarantee any ratio (as other clubs have tried and seemingly failed to perfect this approach!) then please feel free to try. Most people are far more concerned about the 'quality' of single male attendees than the numbers. If you allow 10 single males in and they're all ignorant and disrespectful where's the benefit? If you allow as many as want to attend - the couples in attendance all want to play with single men and they are all perfectly suited to those couples preferences then where's the issue? There is no perfect system or ratio. There never will be.
A greedy girls night should aim to attract a higher number of single men. But again - if the guys in attendance aren't to the tastes of the greedy girls then it'll go tits up!!
As for venue size and facilities these are hugely important when considering the numbers of any demographic - couples, single women and single men.
A large venue will require a greater number of attendees. A small venue will be cramped, not provide sufficient social/play areas for anyone - couple or single - and if the only wet facility is a four man hot tub then that'll hardly cater for demand.
Am I still wrong?
A"
This is one case where size really does matter. |
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"OP, do you realise that most of the people in this thread are offering up questions that you might want to think about so that you can make this club a success?
Secondly, the people who has posted to this thread are your potential future customers?
You have come across extremely negatively and obnoxious in your responses which is sure to drive people away from any club you do open.
When completing market research, you shouldn't alienate your future client base.
Are you even aware that this is how you are coming across? "
Please read the thread. Your post makes no sense |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"OP, do you realise that most of the people in this thread are offering up questions that you might want to think about so that you can make this club a success?
Secondly, the people who has posted to this thread are your potential future customers?
You have come across extremely negatively and obnoxious in your responses which is sure to drive people away from any club you do open.
When completing market research, you shouldn't alienate your future client base.
Are you even aware that this is how you are coming across?
Please read the thread. Your post makes no sense"
Actually it makes perfect sense. You asked for advice - you've been given plenty.
But it seems you know best.
So I'm out.
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"Always thought you reacted to market forces, not try to force the market and different demographics create different markets.
Suppose what I'm saying is try something, if it doesn't work, flex and try something else.
My starting point would be modelling something that works."
What do advertising campaigns do?
If it doesn't work you go bust. "Trying" costs money.
And you will have to populate your model with numbers that you can get from a Fab forum thread
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By *ait OP Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"OP, do you realise that most of the people in this thread are offering up questions that you might want to think about so that you can make this club a success?
Secondly, the people who has posted to this thread are your potential future customers?
You have come across extremely negatively and obnoxious in your responses which is sure to drive people away from any club you do open.
When completing market research, you shouldn't alienate your future client base.
Are you even aware that this is how you are coming across?
Please read the thread. Your post makes no sense
Actually it makes perfect sense. You asked for advice - you've been given plenty.
But it seems you know best.
So I'm out.
A"
The thread asks for a number, not advice. Four kind people helped us
by posting one, including you (none) |
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"Always thought you reacted to market forces, not try to force the market and different demographics create different markets.
Suppose what I'm saying is try something, if it doesn't work, flex and try something else.
My starting point would be modelling something that works.
What do advertising campaigns do?
If it doesn't work you go bust. "Trying" costs money.
And you will have to populate your model with numbers that you can get from a Fab forum thread
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Advertising campaigns let potential customers know of your businesses existence.
If you don't want to try because it costs money, you'll never make money. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"OP, do you realise that most of the people in this thread are offering up questions that you might want to think about so that you can make this club a success?
Secondly, the people who has posted to this thread are your potential future customers?
You have come across extremely negatively and obnoxious in your responses which is sure to drive people away from any club you do open.
When completing market research, you shouldn't alienate your future client base.
Are you even aware that this is how you are coming across?
Please read the thread. Your post makes no sense
Actually it makes perfect sense. You asked for advice - you've been given plenty.
But it seems you know best.
So I'm out.
AThe thread asks for a number, not advice. Four kind people helped us
by posting one, including you (none)"
And how many potenial customers do you think you have driven away with your rude replies? |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"Always thought you reacted to market forces, not try to force the market and different demographics create different markets.
Suppose what I'm saying is try something, if it doesn't work, flex and try something else.
My starting point would be modelling something that works.
What do advertising campaigns do?
If it doesn't work you go bust. "Trying" costs money.
And you will have to populate your model with numbers that you can get from a Fab forum thread
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If advertising is mirror marketing it does nothing.
This biggest problem in a company life cycle is lack of resources. If it's just a dream and not conceived, it remains a dream. If it's an infant company, like a infant baby needs massive resources, if you can't feed it it dies (good reference is Ichak Adzes).
The forums are a good reference point, however how many who are not on the forum go to clubs. Closed thinking about markets limits markets.
However you appear to have what you want in your mind, good luck. |
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"Im not in a couple nor have I been to a club. I have no idea but why would single men get turned away if they havent booked and do couples or single females have to book? Sorry for daft question
Yes, men get turned away. It would be very rare for a single woman to be turned away but I have been to a club where couples were turned away as it was full and they weren't on the list. I've only seen that once though."
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The thread asks for a number, not advice. Four kind people helped us
by posting one, including you (none)"
Six. Does that help? Your initial post gave no background. Good luck with your business venture. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Henry Ford said "I know for a fact that 50% of my advertising budget is wasted.
Unfortunately I don't know which 50%".
In answer to your incredibly simplistic question, the answer is 107. Roughly 107. Possibly closer to 75. Maybe.
On the flip side, I've not considered any of the factors that I'd actually need to know to make more than a stab at a number as you didn't tell anyone all of the information we'd need to be more helpful.
You did however give us plenty of other information that will allow us to decide if we attend your club or not.
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