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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
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 scary about hacking in to the car via dab!!!
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Yes. I love older cars and I don't just mean classic expensive types - just a normal motor that starts, has wind up windows and locks that you open yourself. Just back from France and they make a point of keeping their cars going for years loads of old renaults Citroen etc that wouldn't be seen over here |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
scary about hacking in to the car via dab!!!
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It really was. The final point made was that it would be possible to mass infiltrate cars that way.
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"Yes. I love older cars and I don't just mean classic expensive types - just a normal motor that starts, has wind up windows and locks that you open yourself. Just back from France and they make a point of keeping their cars going for years loads of old renaults Citroen etc that wouldn't be seen over here"
I'm the same, prefer to get the value of a decent older car than the modern tin-foil wrapped ones, tho the aircon, auto and electric glass etc is nice to have My DAB is aftermarket and there's no way they could link into the any control or other functions from there so thinks I'm safe enough for now  |
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over a year ago
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My car aint smart, if it was then it would take itself to a local supermarket once a week to pump its own bloody crappy tyres up instead of making me do it
Tuts
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"My car aint smart, if it was then it would take itself to a local supermarket once a week to pump its own bloody crappy tyres up instead of making me do it
Tuts
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I think mine might be doing that. I haven't had to add air to any of the tyres yet. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic "
What's ODB-2 and torque app?
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over a year ago
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic
What's ODB-2 and torque app? "
It's an app that brings up dials on your phone that displays real time sensor read outs. Such as rpm, engine temperature, boost pressure, exhaust gas temperature, ect. I have it but there is no chance anybody could operate anything related to my car from the outside.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic
What's ODB-2 and torque app?
It's an app that brings up dials on your phone that displays real time sensor read outs. Such as rpm, engine temperature, boost pressure, exhaust gas temperature, ect. I have it but there is no chance anybody could operate anything related to my car from the outside.
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Techy stuff. Right, nothing I need to know about then. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic
What's ODB-2 and torque app?
It's an app that brings up dials on your phone that displays real time sensor read outs. Such as rpm, engine temperature, boost pressure, exhaust gas temperature, ect. I have it but there is no chance anybody could operate anything related to my car from the outside.
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you sure? its easy enough to pair, same with car kits, just needs someone to do a scan and see whats out there...
Luckily bluetooth has a short range  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
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Maybe but my car is safe |
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
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think hackers have become too smart for their own good if cars are letting someone drive it away throu a radio then their obviously still thick as shit  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
Maybe but my car is safe "
I'll check with the electronics geeks in the morning but this smells of utter bullshit tbh (even if it is on R4)....my mate is an auto locksmith and re program's ECUs... Needs a lot of kit... Through Dab? You gotta be kidding...can't even do much through ODB2...shame on you R4 |
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic
What's ODB-2 and torque app?
It's an app that brings up dials on your phone that displays real time sensor read outs. Such as rpm, engine temperature, boost pressure, exhaust gas temperature, ect. I have it but there is no chance anybody could operate anything related to my car from the outside.
you sure? its easy enough to pair, same with car kits, just needs someone to do a scan and see whats out there...
Luckily bluetooth has a short range "
To reprogram the ecu you need a laptop and the right software. Obd2 is more of an output than an input as it reads sensor information. It can read fault codes off the ecu but as far as reprogramming it, ha.
Ide give someone access to my ecu if they could reprogram it. It would save me a few hundred |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
Maybe but my car is safe
I'll check with the electronics geeks in the morning but this smells of utter bullshit tbh (even if it is on R4)....my mate is an auto locksmith and re program's ECUs... Needs a lot of kit... Through Dab? You gotta be kidding...can't even do much through ODB2...shame on you R4"
problem is modern cars are all CANBUS including OEM radios, so I guess its possible to send rogue commands along to other components. Not so sure that fly-by-wire throttles go via that tho more things like lights, wipers etc. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
think hackers have become too smart for their own good if cars are letting someone drive it away throu a radio then their obviously still thick as shit "
It wasn't so much about stealing cars but using them for terror. The hackers could control the braking system, causing accidents. No need for bombs when you are sitting in a WMD.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've got an aftermarket alpine head unit and it's got to be connected to with a phone and has an access code.
Pretty sure it wouldn't stop a determine hacker, but seriously haven't people got better things to be doing  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
Maybe but my car is safe
I'll check with the electronics geeks in the morning but this smells of utter bullshit tbh (even if it is on R4)....my mate is an auto locksmith and re program's ECUs... Needs a lot of kit... Through Dab? You gotta be kidding...can't even do much through ODB2...shame on you R4"
As it was a news programme it may not be on listen again. I'm only reporting what I heard with no technical knowledge whatsoever.
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"adding a thought tho, how many have the bluetooth ODB-2 modules and leave them plugged in? There's plenty using the torque app on their phones, bet they'd not be expecting someone to reprogram their engine management while sat in traffic
What's ODB-2 and torque app?
It's an app that brings up dials on your phone that displays real time sensor read outs. Such as rpm, engine temperature, boost pressure, exhaust gas temperature, ect. I have it but there is no chance anybody could operate anything related to my car from the outside.
you sure? its easy enough to pair, same with car kits, just needs someone to do a scan and see whats out there...
Luckily bluetooth has a short range
To reprogram the ecu you need a laptop and the right software. Obd2 is more of an output than an input as it reads sensor information. It can read fault codes off the ecu but as far as reprogramming it, ha.
Ide give someone access to my ecu if they could reprogram it. It would save me a few hundred "
you can tweak some parameters via the OBD interface tho but given range and time to do it probably less risk than a broadcast radio receiver like DAB |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember "
Please don't actually kick yourself. You're more dangerous to you than any hacked car.
Was it fiction or factual television? |
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember
Please don't actually kick yourself. You're more dangerous to you than any hacked car.
Was it fiction or factual television?"
Fiction |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember
Please don't actually kick yourself. You're more dangerous to you than any hacked car.
Was it fiction or factual television?
Fiction "
I won't worry about having a Sat Nav then.
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember "
I remember a doctor who episode similar to that? Maybe |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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my first car was a ford escort you could open door with the key off a tin of spam and drive it away with a paper clip all the dab radio blu tooth laptop hacker stuff makes me feel a lot safer |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember "
nah it may have directed them but down to the brain cell behind the wheel to not notice all the warning signs etc. Tom Tom's as I recall tho they all have potential for route errors. Same reason's been stated for going the wrong way down one way streets, the satnav was blamed by the person "in control of the vehicle" |
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember
I remember a doctor who episode similar to that? Maybe"
I was thinking doctor who but I can't remember |
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember
I remember a doctor who episode similar to that? Maybe
I was thinking doctor who but I can't remember "
It was doctor who.. Donna's grandad got trapped in the car with the fumes... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a 1973 VW beetle, let's seem them find anything modern."
No that's what u call a motor, I've a few old cars even a mk1 Granada n a 1954 Austin A30 not restored yet, and my recovery truck is a 03 plate nothing modern on that either. No central locking wind up windows think I'm safe lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I should be safe with my 1967 Mercedes, although I would be in floods of tears if anything happened to that car, it represents 7 years of my life saving and rebuilding it, it's more than a car it's my babba lol |
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"There was an episode of something where the gps drove people off cliffs... brain malfunction can't picture where it's from! I'll kick myself when I remember
I remember a doctor who episode similar to that? Maybe
I was thinking doctor who but I can't remember
It was doctor who.. Donna's grandad got trapped in the car with the fumes... "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am another old skool motorist. I trust my old diesal Rover with my life.
I commute to Scotland regularly and first time I hired a car. My mechanic said last time no point, he'd trust mine over these newer cars anyday. So a good service and we go. Also can't complain when a return trip costs £70 in diesal |
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"There was a piece on PM (R4) today.
Your car can be hacked through the DAB radio system. A hacker can infiltrate the on-board computer by creating a DAB station and installing malware that could give them control of your car brakes and other systems.
I saw an online piece about a fake town being created to test driverless cars.
Have cars become too smart for our own good?
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I prefer to listen to the engine noise on my car . And I only have a radio in my van for traffic
Incidentally , you can operate door locks , wipers and control top speed through a computer that I have witnessed myself when a vauxhall technician came to look at it .
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"Yes. I love older cars and I don't just mean classic expensive types - just a normal motor that starts, has wind up windows and locks that you open yourself. Just back from France and they make a point of keeping their cars going for years loads of old renaults Citroen etc that wouldn't be seen over here"
thats cos they don't deliberately try to rust them away with salt on most of their roads like we do something to do with our shite weather |
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I read the article about "Hacking Cars" a while back. As with most of these things, it's not actually as simple as the story suggests.
Firstly, the DAB radio must actually be an "Internet Connected" radio, which is also connected into the car's main systems. This means that the only vulnerable systems will be in cars with combined Information\Entertainment systems.
Secondly, the potentially naughty people would need access to some serious technical knowledge about the cars being targeted and some rather expensive equipment.
And, obviously the attack would really need to be carried out whilst traveling in close(ish) proximity to the targeted cars, for a prolonged period of time.
Personally I think , unless you're a top international dignitary, an A lister or your daddy's a billionaire, the likelihood of being targeted is virtually none existent.
Oh yes, and finally. This report had been produced by a large tech company who had specialist knowledge of the systems installed. There hasn't been any cases of "criminals" having achieved these "Hacks".
So personally, I'm not worried 
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