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"Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" I think a mixes of both depending on how bad the bullying is | |||
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"We have just moved house kids started new high school son got bullied instant dismisal from school as school operates a no bullying policy i say this should be brought into all schools would sort out the bullying and send the neds to an all bully school see how they like it being turned on them " Good point, is the way to deal with bullies with other bullies? | |||
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"We have just moved house kids started new high school son got bullied instant dismisal from school as school operates a no bullying policy i say this should be brought into all schools would sort out the bullying and send the neds to an all bully school see how they like it being turned on them Good point, is the way to deal with bullies with other bullies?" why not they get a kick out doing it why not see what its like theres always someone tougher than the other | |||
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"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids?" when your son daughter comes home bruised hides away starts skipping school all through fear kids can be kids and the usual name calling can be dealt with but theres some nasty ones out there that need to be STOPPED | |||
"That's great to say, but then what if they get expelled for bullying?" a school for naughty boys n girls sent away from home mon to frid home at the weekend some would say holiday camp but stricter | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids?" The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? when your son daughter comes home bruised hides away starts skipping school all through fear kids can be kids and the usual name calling can be dealt with but theres some nasty ones out there that need to be STOPPED " Coming home with a broken arm says to me it needs to be stopped | |||
"Not easy to establish proof of bullying in most cases I would have thought." That seemed to be the conclusion of the news report I saw. There are varying degrees of bullying and I don't think people want to criminalise children. Most of the personal cases I dealt with involved bullying at work. It's hard to prove! | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! " So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition) | |||
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"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition)" Hey no need to bully me to try and make me feel small and humiliated, just because you believe you are better than me and think I should bow down and go hide in the corner then not coming out till I have explained what it means to you! Is that a good enough definition for you then? Google wasn't used or needed! But if others want to use Google to find out some other meanings/definitions don't be bullying them into not doing as they wish! PS - A big tongue in cheek was also used in my post above, hope that's ok with you all. | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition) Hey no need to bully me to try and make me feel small and humiliated, just because you believe you are better than me and think I should bow down and go hide in the corner then not coming out till I have explained what it means to you! Is that a good enough definition for you then? Google wasn't used or needed! But if others want to use Google to find out some other meanings/definitions don't be bullying them into not doing as they wish! PS - A big tongue in cheek was also used in my post above, hope that's ok with you all. " You prove an excellent point akin .... just how easy it is to label someone a bully. | |||
"Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" In my background i had a girl come to one of my classes who had bn abused and bullied she would not talk at first. after a few mnths of training her parents came to me and thanked me as she had came out of her shell and spoke to them of her dealings of the past. She changed after this got her self esteem back her posture and body movements had changed to a able alert person. This made me more aware as i saw this first hand. Bullys should be made example of whether it is a snide remark or entering into the victims personal space. | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition) Hey no need to bully me to try and make me feel small and humiliated, just because you believe you are better than me and think I should bow down and go hide in the corner then not coming out till I have explained what it means to you! Is that a good enough definition for you then? Google wasn't used or needed! But if others want to use Google to find out some other meanings/definitions don't be bullying them into not doing as they wish! PS - A big tongue in cheek was also used in my post above, hope that's ok with you all. You prove an excellent point akin .... just how easy it is to label someone a bully." You prove another excellent point with your reply too, that is - If someone feels they are being bullied then they probably are! What one person classes as a bully might not be the same for the next person, but if what someone does, says, etc to someone else makes them feel intimidated, hurt, upset, suicidal, etc, etc, etc then it's wrong and should be stopped! If you really want me to keep explaining this to you then I will as the Council Training I received on just this subject might come in handy for you too! | |||
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"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition) Hey no need to bully me to try and make me feel small and humiliated, just because you believe you are better than me and think I should bow down and go hide in the corner then not coming out till I have explained what it means to you! Is that a good enough definition for you then? Google wasn't used or needed! But if others want to use Google to find out some other meanings/definitions don't be bullying them into not doing as they wish! PS - A big tongue in cheek was also used in my post above, hope that's ok with you all. You prove an excellent point akin .... just how easy it is to label someone a bully. You prove another excellent point with your reply too, that is - If someone feels they are being bullied then they probably are! What one person classes as a bully might not be the same for the next person, but if what someone does, says, etc to someone else makes them feel intimidated, hurt, upset, suicidal, etc, etc, etc then it's wrong and should be stopped! If you really want me to keep explaining this to you then I will as the Council Training I received on just this subject might come in handy for you too! " Another excellent point... how easily the bullied becomes the bully. | |||
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"When you make things illegal, that is a criminal offence, they need a bit clearer definition than... well it depends on how a person takes it." Do you mean like you asking me for a personal definition of bullying and then you posting the reply you did above then? And there was me thinking you were letting me out of the corner without giving me a slap on the way past that is! | |||
" And there was me thinking you were letting me out of the corner without giving me a slap on the way past that is! " I could tell you were secretly waiting for a botty spank and didn't want to disappoint | |||
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" And there was me thinking you were letting me out of the corner without giving me a slap on the way past that is! I could tell you were secretly waiting for a botty spank and didn't want to disappoint " A light spanking only though, I wouldn't want any marks left that could be taken the wrong way by others! | |||
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"Polo asked for a definition of what being bullied is, or what a bully is. Another post asked where is the line drawn between bullying and kids being kids (Polo again, and no, I'm not picking on you lol).. Kids jostle for position in the playground as they have not yet learned how to network across various social groups, they haven't got the life skills that we attain as adults, so they claw at each other like young cubs rough and tumbling together. That's kids being kids. But every so often one of them takes it a bit further. Either because they love the rough and tumbling a little too much, or they're much bigger than the other kids and enjoy the power advantage it gives them, or they enjoy the feeling of superiority felt when other kids deliberately step aside when they approach. Some kids just like using their fists, and thus use them frequently to get what they want - often on the same kid/s. That's a bully. Should it be criminilised? No. What sort of message are we sending out to young minds that results in them having a criminal record before they've learned how to deal with the myriad of situations life is going to throw at them. (Not to be confused with the true criminal element who consciously laugh at the law). The responsibility rests with the school and/or education authority but they are increasingly too afraid to act for fear of being listed as a 'problem school' and appearing at the lower end of the school tables each year. My daughter's teachers have a mandate from me to act as her guardian in my absence, with all the rights associated with that role for admonishing any bad behaviour. Removing a teacher's obligation to castigate a child for misbehaving has also had a huge impact on bullies feeling that they are untouchable. They can't serve a detention without prior written approval from a parent and corporal punishment was outlawed some years ago. They ARE untouchable. And they know it. If a child of mine was ever the victim of bullying, and the school failed to act, then I would have a quiet word with the bully's parent along the lines of: "The next time your kid touches my kid, I come looking for you, and you will not enjoy the experience. Got it?"" That was pretty much what I said to my sister's bully- I got a week's suspension for it- even though I didn't touch the little shit til he lfet school | |||
"Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" | |||
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"Bullying happens in all walks of life. Family/Friends/Work colleagues and on sites of this nature, albeit through chatroom or forum posts! The best way too handle "Bullies" is too stand up and confront them! They'll soon shy off, tails between their legs! Bippy x Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" Standing up and confronting them resulted in my sister getting a broken arm- it wasn't til I stepped in it got better- and I was put out of school for it | |||
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"Bullying happens in all walks of life. Family/Friends/Work colleagues and on sites of this nature, albeit through chatroom or forum posts! The best way too handle "Bullies" is too stand up and confront them! They'll soon shy off, tails between their legs! Bippy x Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment? Standing up and confronting them resulted in my sister getting a broken arm- it wasn't til I stepped in it got better- and I was put out of school for it" | |||
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"Of course there is they always have contact facebook texts ie its not just at school the people getting bullied cant escape. Intimidation is so much more intense and its not just verbal or the odd slap but oh so vicious." Indeed they do, but I always had access to my sister's pages, so I knew where they were. Now that we're not in school, I can do what I want to them- they no longer know where to find me :o) | |||
"When I was at school you were either bullied, a bully or joined a gang. I don't think there's any more bullying now than there ever was. It seems to me, because kids these days are so mollycoddled, that often what they see as bullying we'd have just called everyday life. R XX" I wouldn't disagree with that. | |||
"The schools have NO power when it comes to bullying so it should be a police matter if severe. Some kids have commited suicide over bullying. It needs to be taken more serious than it is. " Yes it should, too many tend to treat is as "simple pecking order" issues. | |||
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"i think bullying is much more severe now cos kids r so much more streetwise and see much more of life now .....more now that ever......." But the childhood bullies from years ago are now the adult bullies of today. So how are todays 'streetwise' bullies going to be when the get into their 30s and 40s | |||
"i think bullying is much more severe now cos kids r so much more streetwise and see much more of life now .....more now that ever....... But the childhood bullies from years ago are now the adult bullies of today. So how are todays 'streetwise' bullies going to be when the get into their 30s and 40s" Either dead or banged up. | |||
"People who bully now believe they are untouchable as others can no longer use physical measures, let alone verbally challenge without the cowardly bully shouts " I know my rights!" The worsening situation in this country reflects the swing from responsibilities to rights - we urgently need to redress this imbalance so bullies realise that their actions mean they take away others rights to live without fear" Which is obviously the result of getting rid of corporal punishment. Despite what all the bleeding hearts and tree huggers say........nothing teaches you as effectively as pain. R | |||
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"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x" I've never been bullied, neither here or anywhere | |||
"i think bullying is much more severe now cos kids r so much more streetwise and see much more of life now .....more now that ever....... But the childhood bullies from years ago are now the adult bullies of today. So how are todays 'streetwise' bullies going to be when the get into their 30s and 40s" I agree with that comment about adult bullies. It surprises me sometimes how easy it is for an adult to bully other adult's, with no regard for how it makes them look...because, as an adult, it's not the victim i look at and think "pity"...it's the aggressor. It's usually related to insecurity or a need to have power or control of situation..meaning they have little control over other areas of their life. As kids, everyone sides with the bully as they're the 'cool' ones. As adults, we tend to look upon them either with pity or revulsion. | |||
"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x I've never been bullied, neither here or anywhere " | |||
"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x" Never. People have disagreed with me in mails /chat and on the forums, but that is a different thing altogether. | |||
"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x Never. People have disagreed with me in mails /chat and on the forums, but that is a different thing altogether." same here. However, had it happened (unless it was in flashing neons and was announced with a fanfare) I possibly wouldn't notice. | |||
"People who bully now believe they are untouchable as others can no longer use physical measures, let alone verbally challenge without the cowardly bully shouts " I know my rights!" The worsening situation in this country reflects the swing from responsibilities to rights - we urgently need to redress this imbalance so bullies realise that their actions mean they take away others rights to live without fear Which is obviously the result of getting rid of corporal punishment. Despite what all the bleeding hearts and tree huggers say........nothing teaches you as effectively as pain. R" oh yeah, wanna come over ere n say that? | |||
"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x" where exactly would you like us to put our hands up | |||
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"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition)" I think it's quite simple. If they are breaking the law i.e assaulting the kids, then it's assault - ABH/GBH depending on what degree. If it's verbal/emotional, then technically it's not breaking the law until it ventures into stalking, which is breaking the law and that's for the courts and police to decide. But, just because they're kids, doesn't mean they get away with the "it's kids being kids" defence. That's why the world has gone mad! Kids rule it, and it's about time it was stopped. | |||
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"my son was being bullied at school so i stopped it myself .How u ask ? Simple i stopped the kid on the way home and told him if he does it again i will slap the little bastard.Then i went to his parents had a polite word along the lines of , next time i will drag u out of ur home and knock the fuck out of u. Never got bullied again." That's exactly how I dealt with it with my daughter, and how my sister dealt with it with her son. Only way as far as I'm concerned. | |||
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"Funnily enough even thou i have always been small i have never been bullied There was an incident the day i started secondary school where the known school bully tried it on But i just stood me ground and actually shouted him down It never happened again ever xx As for the original question there is a desperate need to bring back corporal punishment in schools The talking bit has been tried and does not work xx" My parents were like that Soapy, ‘if it doesn’t do as told/instructed then hit it’ and quite often that’s where corporal punishment gets used and often abused. While I do not have the definitive answer as an example the fact that we have prisons proves they do not work as a so-called deterrent. At school I’ve always observed this… a class of youngsters can behave appallingly with one tutor, then the SAME class of youngsters move to another tutor and behave perfectly. The only thing that has really changed is the tutor… so where does the problem of school discipline lay? Doesn’t take much working out! In the short or ‘very local’ term violence does seem to solve the problem. I would agree in some cases it does or seems to, such as posters have said, give the bully a good pasting and it stops bullying. However, this isn’t strictly true, it just stops the bully bullying that particular individual it doesn’t ‘cure’ bullying. While there may be exceptions we are programmed from birth ‘do as you are told or else’ = bullying, it’s a wonder there are not more bullies than there is as society actually creates them. “Little Billy, if you do that again I will hit you” The lesson Billy learns is ‘To get what you want ask first, if that doesn’t work HIT IT’ (or at least threaten to). | |||
"my son was being bullied at school so i stopped it myself .How u ask ? Simple i stopped the kid on the way home and told him if he does it again i will slap the little bastard.Then i went to his parents had a polite word along the lines of , next time i will drag u out of ur home and knock the fuck out of u. Never got bullied again. That's exactly how I dealt with it with my daughter, and how my sister dealt with it with her son. Only way as far as I'm concerned." Its ok until you get reported as an adult for making threats of violence. doesn't that make you a bully as well? | |||
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"my son was being bullied at school so i stopped it myself .How u ask ? Simple i stopped the kid on the way home and told him if he does it again i will slap the little bastard.Then i went to his parents had a polite word along the lines of , next time i will drag u out of ur home and knock the fuck out of u. Never got bullied again. That's exactly how I dealt with it with my daughter, and how my sister dealt with it with her son. Only way as far as I'm concerned. Its ok until you get reported as an adult for making threats of violence. doesn't that make you a bully as well?" I don't care. All I got from the "parents" was, it's kids being kids. All my sister got from the parents was, it's kids being kids. The boy who beat up her son was 14 and my nephew is 10. He then, along with a bunch of his mates, proceeded to trash my nephews bike. When is enough enough? The police are actually involved with the bike trashing incident, but only after my sis created merry hell and another boy's father witnessed the bike incident and intervened. Because he stood up and told his son that he was going to be a witness whether he liked it or not, the police can do something. But if that adult hadn't happened to be there, it would have been back to the kids being kids shite. A bully picks on people for no reason. I, as far as I'm concerned, disciplined the little shit - I never touched them, but the threat that I would was enough to knock them the hell out of my daughter's face. And if they come back in it, I will get back in theirs. I won't have my child terrified to go to school. I'm not one to sit around and wait for some miracle to happen. When the parents have the attitude this girl's parents did, you might as well be talking to a fekin wall. So no, I don't think I'm a bully. But I do think I stopped my daughter's schooling from going to pot. I'm not sorry for what I did and I would do it again in a second. | |||
"Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x Never. People have disagreed with me in mails /chat and on the forums, but that is a different thing altogether." | |||
"That's an unfair comment Rugby! I've always had the greatest respect for both you and HPC as forum MODs, I've always stated that! If by anyway my post offended you, well I'm sorry, it was never intentional. Returning to the subject of the thread, I'll always stand by my replies, yes there are bullies in the chatrooms and indeed the forums. People that, feel the need to reply, intimidate/make a poster look inferior purely to boost their own ego and popularity! I've been slated about my profile and it's content, purely because being honest and stating what I am, who I am. I've had snide forum posts making reference to my change of name, most of you will know me: BIP/BIPPY/DASTARDLY/PITSTOP Most recently I've been accused of being a NAZI! "As he said - grammar Nazi not spelling Nazi" I'll not name the fellow forum poster, that posted that, why because I couldn't give a..... Like I've said, quick too or is that to? jump in and undermine an OPs previous post too gain something that they in-fact lack! Security in their own life. Rant over. Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x Never. People have disagreed with me in mails /chat and on the forums, but that is a different thing altogether." Errr, you asked a question on the forums, I answered....why does that make it unfair? Why would you think your post offended me? | |||
"Where is the line between bullying and kids being kids? The line can usually be quite obvious especially when it leads to some of the kids being bullied trying and sometimes succeeding in taking their own lives over it. Most folk can see the difference between kids being kids and bullying! So define it then... if it is so clear. (without a google definition) Hey no need to bully me to try and make me feel small and humiliated, just because you believe you are better than me and think I should bow down and go hide in the corner then not coming out till I have explained what it means to you! Is that a good enough definition for you then? Google wasn't used or needed! But if others want to use Google to find out some other meanings/definitions don't be bullying them into not doing as they wish! PS - A big tongue in cheek was also used in my post above, hope that's ok with you all. You prove an excellent point akin .... just how easy it is to label someone a bully. You prove another excellent point with your reply too, that is - If someone feels they are being bullied then they probably are! What one person classes as a bully might not be the same for the next person, but if what someone does, says, etc to someone else makes them feel intimidated, hurt, upset, suicidal, etc, etc, etc then it's wrong and should be stopped! If you really want me to keep explaining this to you then I will as the Council Training I received on just this subject might come in handy for you too! " I feel intimidated and humiliated , scared and suicidal by your posts. Please stop posting. | |||
" I feel intimidated and humiliated , scared and suicidal by your posts. Please stop posting. " I might have believed that if the posts were actually a reply to your own posts, but seeing as they weren't then I will carry on posting! But nice try at humour, good but no gold star this time. | |||
" I feel intimidated and humiliated , scared and suicidal by your posts. Please stop posting. I might have believed that if the posts were actually a reply to your own posts, but seeing as they weren't then I will carry on posting! But nice try at humour, good but no gold star this time. " That's okay x I don't hold you in regard as a judge of standards. | |||
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"I remember a girl tried to bully me at the youth club disco. She came up to me and pushed me and said, outside when its finished, gonna kill ya. I was terrified but there was no way I was gonna run and hide in a corner, i was gonna confront it even if she broke my legs. But I thought well if I get in first....... Im not a fighter, I think thats a really stupid thing to do but in this instance I was the one to go up to her and grab her and push her to the floor. She didnt expect me to start and thought I would run and hide, she got up and she would have hit me (there were a bunch of kids around us shouting scrap scrap scrap lol), but the staff split us up and told me to go home first. I ran all the way home, really scared. I didnt want to go to the youth club again but didnt want to look as if i was scared so the following week I went - never saw the girl again . Bullies are bullies cos you are giving them the power " Im waiting for the honest posters. You know .......the ones who are bullies..... SHIT! I have a theory ....... swinging is the result of being bullied ! | |||
"I remember a girl tried to bully me at the youth club disco. She came up to me and pushed me and said, outside when its finished, gonna kill ya. I was terrified but there was no way I was gonna run and hide in a corner, i was gonna confront it even if she broke my legs. But I thought well if I get in first....... Im not a fighter, I think thats a really stupid thing to do but in this instance I was the one to go up to her and grab her and push her to the floor. She didnt expect me to start and thought I would run and hide, she got up and she would have hit me (there were a bunch of kids around us shouting scrap scrap scrap lol), but the staff split us up and told me to go home first. I ran all the way home, really scared. I didnt want to go to the youth club again but didnt want to look as if i was scared so the following week I went - never saw the girl again . Bullies are bullies cos you are giving them the power Im waiting for the honest posters. You know .......the ones who are bullies..... SHIT! I have a theory ....... swinging is the result of being bullied ! " I posted as a bully Granny- honest- I was! | |||
"Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" Are these forums included? | |||
"Was mentioned on the radio this evening that bullying may be made illegal in schools, both in person and cyber. Do you think that bullies deserve to be punished by the law or should it be kept within the school environment?" On a slightly different tack.... This Gillian "screech" woman on I'm a celeb is really pissing me off but.... I kinda feel sorry for her, two trials in two days, it must be obvious that the entire _iewing nation dislikes her enough to wish evil on her. Now, normally it wouldnt bother me, but suddenly (I think I have finally grown up perhaps?) I feel sorry for her, and actually it now feels like she is being bullied, albeit indirectly, and that grates a little for me. Is it just me being over sensitive? | |||
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"That's an unfair comment Rugby! I've always had the greatest respect for both you and HPC as forum MODs, I've always stated that! If by anyway my post offended you, well I'm sorry, it was never intentional. Returning to the subject of the thread, I'll always stand by my replies, yes there are bullies in the chatrooms and indeed the forums. People that, feel the need to reply, intimidate/make a poster look inferior purely to boost their own ego and popularity! I've been slated about my profile and it's content, purely because being honest and stating what I am, who I am. I've had snide forum posts making reference to my change of name, most of you will know me: BIP/BIPPY/DASTARDLY/PITSTOP Most recently I've been accused of being a NAZI! "As he said - grammar Nazi not spelling Nazi" I'll not name the fellow forum poster, that posted that, why because I couldn't give a..... Like I've said, quick too or is that to? jump in and undermine an OPs previous post too gain something that they in-fact lack! Security in their own life. Rant over. Talking of Bullying! Hands up who has not been bullied on here, be it in the Chat/Forum or by email? Answers on a postcard! Bippy x Never. People have disagreed with me in mails /chat and on the forums, but that is a different thing altogether." Go back and read that thread, the original poster said he was a GRAMMAR NAZI - which I quoted to you in reply to your post in which you done your best to belittle him. I did not ever call you a nazi but as per usual you have jumped to the wrong conclusion. | |||
" back and read that thread, the original poster said he was a GRAMMAR NAZI - which I quoted to you in reply to your post in which you done your best to belittle him. I did not ever call you a nazi but as per usual you have jumped to the wrong conclusion. " | |||