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"No that sounds horrific tbh "Yes, but think about the positive side too ... All rapists, murderers, thieves etc. Would be caught. Your children would be safe. You're home would never be burgled as the chip would show who did it. | |||
" but think about the positive side too ... All rapists, murderers, thieves etc. Would be caught. Your children would be safe. You're home would never be burgled as the chip would show who did it. " It would deter most people from committing crimes where they're afraid of the consequences of being caught. But things like murder and rape would still happen all the time as they're not subject to the same thought processes. | |||
" It would deter most people from committing crimes where they're afraid of the consequences of being caught. But things like murder and rape would still happen all the time as they're not subject to the same thought processes. " While I agree with you the numbers would definitely decrease knowing you would get caught, crimes of passion would still happen but the offender would always be caught. Rape wouldn't happen or would be seen on camera and stopped, remember every inch is monitored so no catching someone down a dark alley with no witnesses. | |||
"No that sounds horrific tbh
Yes, but think about the positive side too ... All rapists, murderers, thieves etc. Would be caught.
Your children would be safe.
You're home would never be burgled as the chip would show who did it. "The crimes would continue but people would be caught. Knowing that may well lead to a more fatalistic view of being hanged for a sheep as a lamb. As the poster above said, someone will be along to say it's here already. The UK is the most surveiled place you can be. We can't afford the number of people to watch all the other people. The prevalence of mobile phones already makes you trackable. Life is about risk. Take all the dangers away and we become lesser beings. We will still seek ways of getting the thrill of being bad in some way. Your example of the criminals will apply to sneaky lunchtime meet with that married woman, or the use of devices at work to be on Fab. I'll take crime, danger and working on teaching people to be more thoughtful of each other than more control. | |||
"Someone will be along shortly to say this is already happening. "....... | |||
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"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " Then how long would it be before we are guilty of thought crime as well? | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " Have you considered moving to north Korea? | |||
"This idea has already been done , check out the TV show called "black mirror " ! " there's five million cctv cameras in the uk and phones and laptops have had trackers in for years. thousands are convicted every year on mobile location data. | |||
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"Someone recently watched Demolition Man? " back to back with minority report | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " As Ben Franklin - "A people who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? As Ben Franklin - "A people who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" " 
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Now mine are older I can check up on them where ever they are in the world as I have them both on Friend Finder. So I get the Mum is stalking thing going on..
However I do not have the ole man on so we cannot check on each other. 
Maybe we should start tracking known criminals for a start rather than every one. I Imagine human rights would have something to say tho. | |||
"I don't care what they track of me, they can look through my phone computer and anything else they want to look at, I can spend my time living in fear of a government that is trying to hold down the poorest people or I can spend my time making sure I'm not one of those poor people, you see everyone is operating under the assumption that life is fair, it's not, never has been, never will be, and it's ok bitching and whining that your life is shit, but did you have to walk 10 miles for water this morning? The uk is soft, we moan about everything when we should be putting that effort into keeping our head above water, that's the only way to survive in this world, I remember before the influx of migrant workers from Poland and the like, people moaning about not having a job, and in the next breath saying "I'm not doing agency work" the polish got here and said " yeah I'll fucking do it" so when you are moaning about freedom, and the government and how your life is shit, just remember, it's ultimately up to you what you do with your life, if you want to earn enough money to live on, earn enough to live on, only you can improve your skill set, and if you are worried about what web sites the government are seeing you looking at, should you really be looking at it? " That all depends on what the govt see fit to class as fit for looking at, at any one time. How long before this site is classed as illegal? Put the equipment in place to monitor everything, then change the rules as to what is "acceptable". It's a very old trick. | |||
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"I don't care what they track of me, they can look through my phone computer and anything else they want to look at, I can spend my time living in fear of a government that is trying to hold down the poorest people or I can spend my time making sure I'm not one of those poor people, you see everyone is operating under the assumption that life is fair, it's not, never has been, never will be, and it's ok bitching and whining that your life is shit, but did you have to walk 10 miles for water this morning? The uk is soft, we moan about everything when we should be putting that effort into keeping our head above water, that's the only way to survive in this world, I remember before the influx of migrant workers from Poland and the like, people moaning about not having a job, and in the next breath saying "I'm not doing agency work" the polish got here and said " yeah I'll fucking do it" so when you are moaning about freedom, and the government and how your life is shit, just remember, it's ultimately up to you what you do with your life, if you want to earn enough money to live on, earn enough to live on, only you can improve your skill set, and if you are worried about what web sites the government are seeing you looking at, should you really be looking at it? That all depends on what the govt see fit to class as fit for looking at, at any one time. How long before this site is classed as illegal? Put the equipment in place to monitor everything, then change the rules as to what is "acceptable". It's a very old trick." . Some people have short memories and a poor grasp of history! Having said that I spend my time both keeping my head above water and fighting the system. It's not an either or pursuit | |||
"Someone recently watched Demolition Man? " I dont want somebody watching me when I'm using the three sea shells | |||
"Now what happens when the people living under ground eating rat burgers with Dennis Leary decide to come up for a spot of looting If Iam the only person in the locale with a chip as they will have long removed theirs am I being charged as a one man crime wave Good concept but as da streets say geezas need excitement Not saying we cannot control so don't try but we need to incorporate it into any solutions This is one step away from a purge, I don't want a purge, scary s**t" . The purge isn't new, what do you think Australia was! | |||
"Now what happens when the people living under ground eating rat burgers with Dennis Leary decide to come up for a spot of looting If Iam the only person in the locale with a chip as they will have long removed theirs am I being charged as a one man crime wave Good concept but as da streets say geezas need excitement Not saying we cannot control so don't try but we need to incorporate it into any solutions This is one step away from a purge, I don't want a purge, scary s**t. The purge isn't new, what do you think Australia was!" *note to self, must send victims to detention camps instead of idilic paradise isle  | |||
"Are there cameras inside people's houses? What about domestic abuse? Yes the chips will show that the people are in the house but they can't prove domestic abuse.. For example a woman punches a man in the face until he bleeds.. Then at the court case she says that he punched himself or deliberately smashed his face off something to get her done for abuse (it's happened).. A crime has occurred but there's no evidence unless there's cameras in people's houses too. Or another example.. A woman goes home with a man.. The chips say they're in the house together.. Then he rapes her. (Not necessarily violent rape as that would show up on an examination.. But say he refused to use a condom after she said she wouldn't have sex without one. Define that how you like, it's still a crime.) there's no evidence of the conversation held that she said she didn't want to have sex without a condom. There will never be no crime.. " Cameras everywhere, it's known where everyone is, what they're doing at all times. | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " How much freedom would I sacrifice for captivity? Not a lot. | |||
"Are there cameras inside people's houses? What about domestic abuse? Yes the chips will show that the people are in the house but they can't prove domestic abuse.. For example a woman punches a man in the face until he bleeds.. Then at the court case she says that he punched himself or deliberately smashed his face off something to get her done for abuse (it's happened).. A crime has occurred but there's no evidence unless there's cameras in people's houses too. Or another example.. A woman goes home with a man.. The chips say they're in the house together.. Then he rapes her. (Not necessarily violent rape as that would show up on an examination.. But say he refused to use a condom after she said she wouldn't have sex without one. Define that how you like, it's still a crime.) there's no evidence of the conversation held that she said she didn't want to have sex without a condom. There will never be no crime.. " People are inviting cameras into their homes, in the guise of smart tvs, games consoles, laptops, tablets etc. The capability is there to switch them on without your permission. That's one way of getting the equipment in place, either by subterfuge or openly invited in. You wouldnt let in cameras if the govt tried to force them on you. | |||
" Rape wouldn't happen or would be seen on camera and stopped, remember every inch is monitored so no catching someone down a dark alley with no witnesses. " Rape isn't usually premeditated. It's a crime of power and the perpetrator would just do it anyway. | |||
"No that sounds horrific tbh
Yes, but think about the positive side too ... All rapists, murderers, thieves etc. Would be caught.
Your children would be safe.
You're home would never be burgled as the chip would show who did it. "I think yoyr logic that crime wouldn't happen is flawed It would happen, people would just be caught easier | |||
"Now what happens when the people living under ground eating rat burgers with Dennis Leary decide to come up for a spot of looting If Iam the only person in the locale with a chip as they will have long removed theirs am I being charged as a one man crime wave Good concept but as da streets say geezas need excitement Not saying we cannot control so don't try but we need to incorporate it into any solutions This is one step away from a purge, I don't want a purge, scary s**t. The purge isn't new, what do you think Australia was! *note to self, must send victims to detention camps instead of idilic paradise isle ". Ha... It wasn't quite like that for the fuckers they sent there! First prisoners got sent about 1780s?...errr oh yeah we'd just got told we can't drop them off in the US anymore... Find somewhere new for the reprobates There was never any such thing as colonies... Just prisons far away enough that you can't make it back. Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies Farewell and adieu to you, ladies of Spain; For we have received orders,to sail to old England, But we hope in a short time to see you again but we may never see you fair ladies again! | |||
"No that sounds horrific tbh
Yes, but think about the positive side too ... All rapists, murderers, thieves etc. Would be caught.
Your children would be safe.
You're home would never be burgled as the chip would show who did it.
I think yoyr logic that crime wouldn't happen is flawed
It would happen, people would just be caught easier"The crime rate would plummet if you knew you were going to get caught. | |||
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"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " They've made movies on this theme. | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? Have you considered moving to north Korea? " really? because he thought about something..? | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? " Who watches the watchers? That's my problem with this. | |||
"More in favour of a purge type society myself. "its surge, not purge these days 
yay me. I made a political joke | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? Who watches the watchers? That's my problem with this." im just a watching the detectives  | |||
"Imagine this... A safe society where there is virtually no crime, and if there was the culprit would be caught. But, to get it everybody is implanted with a tracking chip showing where they are at all times, cameras cover every inch of the city, all cars are fitted with cameras monitoring the front, back and sides. Any crime would be nearly impossible to get away with as the chips and cameras could be accessed by police to see who was in the area and what happened. Would you sacrifice your privacy for a crime free place to live? Who watches the watchers? That's my problem with this." an 'independent body'..  | |||
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" Who watches the watchers? That's my problem with this." That's a good point, thank you for raising it. I guess the only response I would have issued how much do you trust the police force/government not to abuse the system. If you don't, how could it be used incorrectly? | |||
" If you don't, how could it be used incorrectly? " Framing people for crimes they did not commit. | |||
" really? because he thought about something..? " Thank you | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit." I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. " we need cameras watching the cameras watching the cameras | |||
" Really you would only need to be concerned if you were doing something illegal was my thoughts even though knowing I was being watched would bother me, not because I plan to do anything illegal but because I don't like being denied a choice. " Ah, the excuse given by all governments wanting to increase state power. Once given away, freedom is very hard to regain. | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. " sadly history tends to show otherwise.. either through incompetence, laziness or just plain he or she fits the crime.. | |||
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" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. " . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job | |||
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" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. sadly history tends to show otherwise.. either through incompetence, laziness or just plain he or she fits the crime.." cctv and trackers are much more likely to stop a fit up than cause one. | |||
" really? because he thought about something..? Thank you " It was almost a thought crime though!!! | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job" "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" | |||
" really? because he thought about something..? Thank you It was almost a thought crime though!!!" and the suggestion or question about North Korea as a response to the thought by the OP was what exactly..? | |||
" really? because he thought about something..? Thank you It was almost a thought crime though!!! and the suggestion or question about North Korea as a response to the thought by the OP was what exactly..? " an example and you called it wrong. | |||
"Someone recently watched Demolition Man? back to back with minority report" | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" " And if you leave your phone at home, presuming of course, that you have one? | |||
" really? because he thought about something..? Thank you It was almost a thought crime though!!! and the suggestion or question about North Korea as a response to the thought by the OP was what exactly..? an example and you called it wrong." where? | |||
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" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" And if you leave your phone at home, presuming of course, that you have one?" then they'll only fit up a fraction of the people. | |||
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"No one has complete privacy anyway the government knows exactly what you do who your doing it with and when.Everyone uses social media do you think these are not monitored MI5 know everything there is to know about people,Mark Thomas the comedian went there and asked to see his file it showed him who he was with and what he was doing big brother really is watching you"
We are now all presumed to be if not guilty, then at least capable of being guilty of SOMETHING. Makes me wonder just exactly what the govt have to be so nervous about. What exactly do they have up their sleeve that requires the possibility of monitoring of everyone and everything? If they can assume our guilt, I'm going to assume theirs. | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" And if you leave your phone at home, presuming of course, that you have one? then they'll only fit up a fraction of the people. "Oh well, that's okay then.  | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" And if you leave your phone at home, presuming of course, that you have one? then they'll only fit up a fraction of the people.
Oh well, that's okay then. "and the 100 people in the pub could be traced aswell and vouch for them. it clearly helps stop fit ups. are you trying to blame me for ploice fit ups or just trolling? | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. . Birmingham 6 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough Guildford 4 Fuck me even the original guy fawkes was a put up job "where were you on the night of 27" "down the pub officer, check me phone" " night mr conlon, sorry to disturb you" And if you leave your phone at home, presuming of course, that you have one? then they'll only fit up a fraction of the people.
Oh well, that's okay then.
and the 100 people in the pub could be traced aswell and vouch for them.
it clearly helps stop fit ups.
are you trying to blame me for ploice fit ups or just trolling?"Pointing out flaws is not trolling. The point of of a fit up, is its ignoring or planting evidence. What if you have no witnesses? Don't have too much faith in the police. There record isn't exactly spotless. | |||
" Framing people for crimes they did not commit. I think that just happens in the movies, I'm not saying it doesn't but I really doubt it. " It does happen, and it's been taken to court and proved before. (And they're just the cases where people could find evidence against the authorities). | |||
"No one has complete privacy anyway the government knows exactly what you do who your doing it with and when.Everyone uses social media do you think these are not monitored MI5 know everything there is to know about people,Mark Thomas the comedian went there and asked to see his file it showed him who he was with and what he was doing big brother really is watching you
We are now all presumed to be if not guilty, then at least capable of being guilty of SOMETHING. Makes me wonder just exactly what the govt have to be so nervous about. What exactly do they have up their sleeve that requires the possibility of monitoring of everyone and everything? If they can assume our guilt, I'm going to assume theirs. " | |||
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