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Play starts in about half an hour.
England got well and truly fucked over last time down under, differnt conditions this time, differnt ball.
I hope England win the series starting off with a win in Cardiff this week.
Come on ENG - Hope it's a good series like the recent NZ one |
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ENG to have a knock first.
Its my home pitch (well not quite) but I know enough to know it will be flat and slow.
It always is in Cardiff, its a batting track once the clouds fuck off and the sun comes out |
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England: Alastair Cook (capt), Adam Lyth, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler (wk), Moeen Ali, Stuart Broad, Mark Wood, James Anderson.
Australia: David Warner, Chris Rogers, Steve Smith, Michael Clarke (capt), Adam Voges, Shane Watson, Brad Haddin (wk), Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon |
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Evening session just begun.
Good recovery from Ballance 59* and Root 97*.
Outfield has dried up and is quicker, bit of bounce in the wicket.
Even so, I still thing even a villager like me could bat on it |
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"Root saves England again, now the question is can stokes bat out the day without swinging wildly at everything?"
He certainly won't be blocking many based on what he has done so far. Good to watch.  |
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As luck would have it I'm in North Wales this week, and not Cardiff 
Otherwise I'd be in the Cricketers on Cathedral Road right now 
Great work by Root, let's just go for the double  |
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You know your batsmen are in when Australia start bowling David Warner! Hopefully we can see the day through with Stokes and Root and really put the Aussies to the sword tomorrow. Still finely balanced though. |
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Come on cricket.
Stop moaning about the pitch, if it means their quickies are now at our pace then its a plan thats worked.
Our wicket is always shit.
Whoever bats first at our ground usually don't lose. It will be a slow, flat, spinney pitch whoever gets last go on it.
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Cricket fan here, although like most sports I prefer playing to watching 
I used to be a useful leg spin bowler and batted mid order usually, fielded in the slips as I've got sharp reactions
C'mon Engerland, let's stuff the Aussies  |
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Come on England, spin to win.
Big day today, Sunday looks a bit wet and quite a lot of time will be lost.
Most beautiful ground in the world, not just the ground the surrondings.
Often the camera used in the ballon pans out and shows a bench I banged a girl on one night as people were making their way home at 4am.
I havent text in to TMS with that story, yet. |
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The pitch is actually awful. It's slow, low and rather mediocre compared with the excellent pitches produced for the NZ series.
No idea why they brushed all the grass off it on Tuesday. Anyways here's hoping for better pitches elsewhere |
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No idea why they brushed all the grass off it on Tuesday. Anyways here's hoping for better pitches elsewhere "
So the Aussie quick's, mostly Mitch arn't as deadly as they are back home.
Its playing well, look where the WK and Slips are stood. |
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"Superb win for England, 1-0 up. Not many would have bet on a win inside 4 days before the start. I'm sure the Aussies will come back strong at Lords! "
I think the way cricket is played today unless there's rain no test will go to 5 days, |
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20 mins to first ball of the second test.
Strayer have beaten us at Lords more than lost to us, they are wounded, so watch out.
However, the ball swings late, they have made two changes and bat first.
Why not England eh, why not.
70-4 at lunch, yeah please |
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By *amparaWoman
over a year ago
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"Play starts in about half an hour.
England got well and truly fucked over last time down under, differnt conditions this time, differnt ball.
I hope England win the series starting off with a win in Cardiff this week.
Come on ENG - Hope it's a good series like the recent NZ one"
i'm at lords this saturday |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play? "
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! "
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true "
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? "
it was indeed i reckon they are going to declare at some point today i predict around lunch time |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? it was indeed i reckon they are going to declare at some point today i predict around lunch time "
Lunch? Geez, you're predicting a six-fest!
I'll go for a tea declaration with a 570-odd lead .......... but what's the weather forecast for London today? There's always the rain dance factor!
I heard M. Clark being interviewed before the toss & his concerns that there was 'a bit in this pitch first day...... .' , so I figured he was blagging & would bat!! |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? it was indeed i reckon they are going to declare at some point today i predict around lunch time
Lunch? Geez, you're predicting a six-fest!
I'll go for a tea declaration with a 570-odd lead .......... but what's the weather forecast for London today? There's always the rain dance factor!
I heard M. Clark being interviewed before the toss & his concerns that there was 'a bit in this pitch first day...... .' , so I figured he was blagging & would bat!! "
i'm going saturday and hope it don't rain but then i'm kinda hoping it will because aus will declare england will bat not get enough runs and then aus will make england follow on oh lord am i being a defeatist?? |
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? it was indeed i reckon they are going to declare at some point today i predict around lunch time
Lunch? Geez, you're predicting a six-fest!
I'll go for a tea declaration with a 570-odd lead .......... but what's the weather forecast for London today? There's always the rain dance factor!
I heard M. Clark being interviewed before the toss & his concerns that there was 'a bit in this pitch first day...... .' , so I figured he was blagging & would bat!! i'm going saturday and hope it don't rain but then i'm kinda hoping it will because aus will declare england will bat not get enough runs and then aus will make england follow on oh lord am i being a defeatist?? "
A realist, I think!!
If the rain starts to come down today you'll need a crowbar to remove the Ozzie batsman from the wicket but rain today will probably make it more interesting over all, - as you say they have to have the time to bowl England out twice & they're 1-0 down!! |
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By *amparaWoman
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"is it wrong to be slightly pleased as i have tickets for Monday so the longer the Aussies bate the more chance i have of seeing some play?
You may well have to do some serious rain dancing over the weekend if you want to see Lords Cricket on Monday!! this is very true
Who won the toss, was it the Ozzie's? it was indeed i reckon they are going to declare at some point today i predict around lunch time
Lunch? Geez, you're predicting a six-fest!
I'll go for a tea declaration with a 570-odd lead .......... but what's the weather forecast for London today? There's always the rain dance factor!
I heard M. Clark being interviewed before the toss & his concerns that there was 'a bit in this pitch first day...... .' , so I figured he was blagging & would bat!! i'm going saturday and hope it don't rain but then i'm kinda hoping it will because aus will declare england will bat not get enough runs and then aus will make england follow on oh lord am i being a defeatist??
A realist, I think!!
If the rain starts to come down today you'll need a crowbar to remove the Ozzie batsman from the wicket but rain today will probably make it more interesting over all, - as you say they have to have the time to bowl England out twice & they're 1-0 down!!"
we are doomed |
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Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets |
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"From memory Fred Astaire did a good rain dance..........or whoever!  no thats chief sitting bull  "
Sit on the ball, that's it & refuse to get off untill it's a draw!
Those native Americans knew their stuff! |
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"Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets"
i reckon around lunch time or just after this aussie declaration get england into bat and if they bowl england out very cheaply they will enforce the follow on but i hope i'm wrong |
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"Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets i reckon around lunch time or just after this aussie declaration get england into bat and if they bowl england out very cheaply they will enforce the follow on but i hope i'm wrong "
England should SHOULD be able to bat a day and a half to 2 days on this wicket, then it will fizzle out to a draw, |
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"Pick Adil Rashid.
We shouldnt be throwing the ball to Root and Lythe"
Would be great to have a high quality spinner in the attack, but I'm not sure Rashid is the right guy. They will stick with Moeen for his batting and will hope his bowling develops. |
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"Pick Adil Rashid.
We shouldnt be throwing the ball to Root and Lythe
Would be great to have a high quality spinner in the attack, but I'm not sure Rashid is the right guy. They will stick with Moeen for his batting and will hope his bowling develops."
Until you try you dont know |
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"Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets"
3½ days, - that's a little on the conservative side isn't it? By that reckoning it would take 7 days to complete the test match. It's a slow pitch but not that slow, - probably about the norm for Lords.
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"Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets 3½ days, - that's a little on the conservative side isn't it? By that reckoning it would take 7 days to complete the test match. It's a slow pitch but not that slow, - probably about the norm for Lords."
Australia have just batted for well over a day and a half on a wicket not offering much, so all England need to do is match that through both innings and this will be a draw, I think Australia have batted too long to be able to force a result, unless England collapse which is a possibility |
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"Can't see Australia batting till tea tonight, that only leaves 3 days to get a result, and this pitch isn't doing anything, I think they will come out swinging the bat this morning try get to 500 plus for dinner and declare maybe just after dinner, leave them 3 and a half days to take 20 English wickets 3½ days, - that's a little on the conservative side isn't it? By that reckoning it would take 7 days to complete the test match. It's a slow pitch but not that slow, - probably about the norm for Lords.
Australia have just batted for well over a day and a half on a wicket not offering much, so all England need to do is match that through both innings and this will be a draw, I think Australia have batted too long to be able to force a result, unless England collapse which is a possibility"
I thought the ockers did exactly the right thing, if they declared just after lunch they'd have set a much smaller follow-on total for England to chase, on as you say, a flat wicket.
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"england are 30 for 4 lord help us i feel a follow on coming on "
omg!! Its amazing what a bit of scoreboard pressure can do, eh?
Yes, barring rain I think we were right, that poor fabber with tickets for Monday, may as well have tickets for last years cup final!
Come on England, - otherwise you could be watching the Steve Smith show '2' tomorrow!! |
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"england are 30 for 4 lord help us i feel a follow on coming on an england collapse we are sooo good at collapsing are we not? "
What's the score now? I'd guess that cook & Bell are gone???? - Do you mind playing the score updater/commentator for 30 mins? |
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"41 for 4 and stokes and cook are in thank you!
So that means that Root is gone, - staring down the barrel now. root went for 1"
Well I hope they don't lose any more wickets today (if it isn't stumps already), then you might see a great game tomorrow & an England fightback, - the third day of a test match is usually the best day! |
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over a year ago
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"41 for 4 and stokes and cook are in thank you!
So that means that Root is gone, - staring down the barrel now. root went for 1
Well I hope they don't lose any more wickets today (if it isn't stumps already), then you might see a great game tomorrow & an England fightback, - the third day of a test match is usually the best day! "
77 for 4 now |
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"41 for 4 and stokes and cook are in thank you!
So that means that Root is gone, - staring down the barrel now. root went for 1
Well I hope they don't lose any more wickets today (if it isn't stumps already), then you might see a great game tomorrow & an England fightback, - the third day of a test match is usually the best day! 77 for 4 now"
thanks
Getting there slowly!
It doesn't matter how quick they score tonight, they just need to keep their 6 remaining wickets intact! |
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"41 for 4 and stokes and cook are in thank you!
So that means that Root is gone, - staring down the barrel now. root went for 1
Well I hope they don't lose any more wickets today (if it isn't stumps already), then you might see a great game tomorrow & an England fightback, - the third day of a test match is usually the best day! 77 for 4 now thanks
Getting there slowly!
It doesn't matter how quick they score tonight, they just need to keep their 6 remaining wickets intact! "
any more and we are done for lol and i'm being tormented by an aussie friend on here |
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"85 for 4 now and its stumps"
Yes, the Aussies do like to rub it in, I know that oh so well!!
Tell him that you actually support the All Blacks in rugby, - that usually quietens them down a bit!! |
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Geez, this thread has gone very quiet, - surprising considering that although the win is all but out of England's hands, they're making a bit of a fight of it!
Does anyone know when the new ball is due? That'll be the tester! |
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Poor that from stokes-y, funny but poor.
Bell seems to be like Teflon, gets no grief but the team is consistently down a few wickets more than half the time.
Root-y needs an athers like effort here. |
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"Poor that from stokes-y, funny but poor.
Bell seems to be like Teflon, gets no grief but the team is consistently down a few wickets more than half the time.
Root-y needs an athers like effort here. "
Poor? it was fucking dog shit, every 8 year old child knows to slide your bat in, |
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Balance out bell up to 3 and bairstow in, what do we think?
I can't believe they've dropped they young one to keep an old one, bells career is coming to an end and they should of kept balance in |
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"Balance out bell up to 3 and bairstow in, what do we think?
I can't believe they've dropped they young one to keep an old one, bells career is coming to an end and they should of kept balance in"
It's Bell's home ground, - makes sense I guess. |
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Can't see the change making much difference. Bairstow is obviously a talented batsmen in the county game but he's been shown up as fragile against international bowling attacks. I fear a top order failure again regardless of the changes.
Gary Balance has been targeted by the hostile balls due to his play it late and back of the crease style, he's been found out and needs to go away and tweak his technique a bit.
Lyth has earned at least another match to show something but he'll be going to that game with his place under threat, as will Bell........failure at his home track may be a nail in his international career. |
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"Come on England, spin to win.
Big day today, Sunday looks a bit wet and quite a lot of time will be lost.
Most beautiful ground in the world, not just the ground the surrondings.
Often the camera used in the ballon pans out and shows a bench I banged a girl on one night as people were making their way home at 4am.
I havent text in to TMS with that story, yet."
Most beautiful bench in the world, you mean?
Hardly the ground! |
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"Can't see the change making much difference. Bairstow is obviously a talented batsmen in the county game but he's been shown up as fragile against international bowling attacks. I fear a top order failure again regardless of the changes.
Gary Balance has been targeted by the hostile balls due to his play it late and back of the crease style, he's been found out and needs to go away and tweak his technique a bit.
Lyth has earned at least another match to show something but he'll be going to that game with his place under threat, as will Bell........failure at his home track may be a nail in his international career."
BBKP!! |
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"Can't see the change making much difference. Bairstow is obviously a talented batsmen in the county game but he's been shown up as fragile against international bowling attacks. I fear a top order failure again regardless of the changes.
Gary Balance has been targeted by the hostile balls due to his play it late and back of the crease style, he's been found out and needs to go away and tweak his technique a bit.
Lyth has earned at least another match to show something but he'll be going to that game with his place under threat, as will Bell........failure at his home track may be a nail in his international career.
BBKP!! "
Dunno about that, what's his form been like at the IPL?
I do think that 'da management' need to man up and just have the balls to swing axes on players woefully out of form though. |
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"Balance out bell up to 3 and bairstow in, what do we think?
I can't believe they've dropped they young one to keep an old one, bells career is coming to an end and they should of kept balance in"
Ballance has been found out I'm afraid, but he will come again. Thought they might have bumped everyone up in the batting order and given Rashid a go as we looked short of ideas bowling. That said Bairstow deserves his chance, although I'd also like to see James Taylor given consideration alongside Hales at the top of the order. |
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"Can't see the change making much difference. Bairstow is obviously a talented batsmen in the county game but he's been shown up as fragile against international bowling attacks. I fear a top order failure again regardless of the changes.
Gary Balance has been targeted by the hostile balls due to his play it late and back of the crease style, he's been found out and needs to go away and tweak his technique a bit.
Lyth has earned at least another match to show something but he'll be going to that game with his place under threat, as will Bell........failure at his home track may be a nail in his international career.
BBKP!!
Dunno about that, what's his form been like at the IPL?
I do think that 'da management' need to man up and just have the balls to swing axes on players woefully out of form though."
That's a strange comparison, - Test Cricket & T20!!
England would be so much stronger with KP, he adds the fear factor to the batting lineup, also apparently he's brilliant at working with the kids, too & there's a few around the England setup now! |
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"Can't see the change making much difference. Bairstow is obviously a talented batsmen in the county game but he's been shown up as fragile against international bowling attacks. I fear a top order failure again regardless of the changes.
Gary Balance has been targeted by the hostile balls due to his play it late and back of the crease style, he's been found out and needs to go away and tweak his technique a bit.
Lyth has earned at least another match to show something but he'll be going to that game with his place under threat, as will Bell........failure at his home track may be a nail in his international career.
BBKP!!
Dunno about that, what's his form been like at the IPL?
I do think that 'da management' need to man up and just have the balls to swing axes on players woefully out of form though.
That's a strange comparison, - Test Cricket & T20!!
England would be so much stronger with KP, he adds the fear factor to the batting lineup, also apparently he's brilliant at working with the kids, too & there's a few around the England setup now!"
yeah kp come back |
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but i got to quote an aussie friend who says you english when everything is great its wonderful but the minute you get a bad result you crucify a side, it happens lol god i remember watching jeff thompson and dennis lillee taking england apart lol a bit before your time but england have always found it hard to beat australia and always will |
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Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back |
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"Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back"
Yeah but above you seemed to be showing a dislike to a Test Cricket scoring rate of 4 runs per over!! |
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"but i got to quote an aussie friend who says you english when everything is great its wonderful but the minute you get a bad result you crucify a side, it happens lol god i remember watching jeff thompson and dennis lillee taking england apart lol a bit before your time but england have always found it hard to beat australia and always will "
Not to mention the McGrath & Warne era! |
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"but i got to quote an aussie friend who says you english when everything is great its wonderful but the minute you get a bad result you crucify a side, it happens lol god i remember watching jeff thompson and dennis lillee taking england apart lol a bit before your time but england have always found it hard to beat australia and always will
Not to mention the McGrath & Warne era! "
yes indeed those too hahaha the days before liz hurley ruined the way shane warne looked |
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"Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back
Yeah but above you seemed to be showing a dislike to a Test Cricket scoring rate of 4 runs per over!! "
This is true, my issue with kp though is I don't think he was consist enough to be a test player |
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"Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back
Yeah but above you seemed to be showing a dislike to a Test Cricket scoring rate of 4 runs per over!!
This is true, my issue with kp though is I don't think he was consist enough to be a test player"
8000+ runs would suggest he probably was! Can't see the ECB wanting anything to do with him though, if he hadn't published the book then maybe. |
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"Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back
Yeah but above you seemed to be showing a dislike to a Test Cricket scoring rate of 4 runs per over!!
This is true, my issue with kp though is I don't think he was consist enough to be a test player
8000+ runs would suggest he probably was! Can't see the ECB wanting anything to do with him though, if he hadn't published the book then maybe."
Certainly to the end of His .international career he was very feast or famine, 10 or 15 innings of 10s and 20s and then 1 innings of a hundred, |
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"Kp tweated the other day, "batting better than ever I could really help out, shame I'm on the beach"
How does he know he's batting better than ever when he's Sat on a beach in Miami?
I don't think they should bring him back
Yeah but above you seemed to be showing a dislike to a Test Cricket scoring rate of 4 runs per over!!
This is true, my issue with kp though is I don't think he was consist enough to be a test player
8000+ runs would suggest he probably was! Can't see the ECB wanting anything to do with him though, if he hadn't published the book then maybe.
Certainly to the end of His .international career he was very feast or famine, 10 or 15 innings of 10s and 20s and then 1 innings of a hundred, "
His average in his last test year (including the infamous Ashes tour) was 36 vs career of 47, so not as good, but better than most of our top order this year! |
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I would like to see KP given a chance again now we have moved away from the painful cricket by numbers approach employed by flower and moores. He was always slated because his ideas on cricket put him at odds with the regime at the time, given the freedom given to the team now I believe he would thrive.
If he came off the team would benefit enormously, if he didn't it would make no difference considering the people likely to be replaced.
It's a bit of a no lose gamble. |
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"I would like to see KP given a chance again now we have moved away from the painful cricket by numbers approach employed by flower and moores. He was always slated because his ideas on cricket put him at odds with the regime at the time, given the freedom given to the team now I believe he would thrive.
If he came off the team would benefit enormously, if he didn't it would make no difference considering the people likely to be replaced.
It's a bit of a no lose gamble."
I tend to agree. However, KP played his best cricket under Vaughan, a captain who he respected and trusted. I don't think that respect or trust exists with Cook and I don't think KP is the kind of guy who can keep quiet if he doesn't agree with what is going on around him (not necessarily a bad thing). Like I said, had he not published the book I think the ECB would have given him another chance. |
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"I would like to see KP given a chance again now we have moved away from the painful cricket by numbers approach employed by flower and moores. He was always slated because his ideas on cricket put him at odds with the regime at the time, given the freedom given to the team now I believe he would thrive.
If he came off the team would benefit enormously, if he didn't it would make no difference considering the people likely to be replaced.
It's a bit of a no lose gamble.
I tend to agree. However, KP played his best cricket under Vaughan, a captain who he respected and trusted. I don't think that respect or trust exists with Cook and I don't think KP is the kind of guy who can keep quiet if he doesn't agree with what is going on around him (not necessarily a bad thing). Like I said, had he not published the book I think the ECB would have given him another chance."
I agree with what you say about the relationship between KP and cook, however, now he is not expected to do exactly as he is told on the field and is allowed independent thought that relationship may be completely different.
The book is a complete red herring. Books had no affect on Swann and Twitter accounts had no affect on broad. I expect the players to play cricket not like each other or read books. |
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"I would like to see KP given a chance again now we have moved away from the painful cricket by numbers approach employed by flower and moores. He was always slated because his ideas on cricket put him at odds with the regime at the time, given the freedom given to the team now I believe he would thrive.
If he came off the team would benefit enormously, if he didn't it would make no difference considering the people likely to be replaced.
It's a bit of a no lose gamble.
I tend to agree. However, KP played his best cricket under Vaughan, a captain who he respected and trusted. I don't think that respect or trust exists with Cook and I don't think KP is the kind of guy who can keep quiet if he doesn't agree with what is going on around him (not necessarily a bad thing). Like I said, had he not published the book I think the ECB would have given him another chance.
I agree with what you say about the relationship between KP and cook, however, now he is not expected to do exactly as he is told on the field and is allowed independent thought that relationship may be completely different.
The book is a complete red herring. Books had no affect on Swann and Twitter accounts had no affect on broad. I expect the players to play cricket not like each other or read books. "
I don't think the players care at all, issue is the ECB picks the team and pays the wages and KP basically called them all a bunch of c@+ts! |
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