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"Well, when the whingers start their moaning just remember who voted them in. Personally, i hope Osborne will out Thatcher Thatcher / Tebbit / Lilley - it leads us open to another Independence push" Personally, I'd like you to stay part of the UK , but that's a completely different debate. | |||
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"I think the changes to the inheritance tax are a very good thing. My family are not wealthy, but have been affected by this because of Londons spiraling house prices. " House prices are crazy and especially in London! | |||
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"This Wednesday we will have the first Conservative Budget since Ken Clarke's in 1997. According to the Telegraph Chancellor George Osborne will announce the following 6 changes:- 1. The inheritance tax threshold to increase £1million for couples from 2017. This new “family home allowance” will be worth £175,000 per person and will come on top of the existing £325,000 tax free allowance It will mean that the estates of individuals who die and pass on assets worth up to £500,000, including a home, will be charged no inheritance tax at all. 2. The BBC will be expected to take on the £650 million-a-year bill for providing free television licences for the over 75s by making cuts to its own budget. 3. Some 340,000 local authority and housing association tenants on incomes of £40,000 or more in London and £30,000 in the rest of England will be told that from 2017/18 they will have to pay a market, or near market, rent 4. The benefits cap per household will fall from £26,000 to £23,000 in London – but will fall further to as little as £20,000 in other areas of the UK where the cost of living is less. 5.Britain’s benefits bill will fall by £12billion over the next two years. George Osborne, the Chancellor, said he had “found” the savings, such as limiting child tax credits to two children 6. A further clampdown on wealthy individuals claiming ‘non-domicile’ status – as part of a £5billion clampdown on tax avoidance. I think we should be doing more on tax avoidance, especially in respect of the self-employed. It's far too easy for them to pay a lot less tax than employed people. I guess it's impossible to police it enough though. Will there be any surprises in there? I doubt it - we seem to know most of it already. Does it seem a good budget for the UK? " 1. Good - Why should the government get 40% of what you have worked hard (and saved hard) to achieve in your lifetime; just because you wish to leave it to your children? 2. Good. Perhaps it will encourage the BBC into less bureaucracy and better programming that people want to watch (and that they can sell to foreign markets) 4. Pretty poor - it will create more poverty. A better solution would be a sliding benefits scale that encourages people into work while maintaining an income what you can live on. 5. Good - with exceptions (such as when you find out your second baby is twins!). 6. Very good. | |||
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"I think the changes to the inheritance tax are a very good thing. My family are not wealthy, but have been affected by this because of Londons spiraling house prices. " Again instrad of hitying large corps ie starbucks etc for correct tax etc which by the way that all went wuiet I wonder why. Tax rules can ve changed overnight but because its easier to target those on benefits why bother. Agree with poster idiots that voted for them cannot complain much. | |||
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" 5. Good - with exceptions (such as when you find out your second baby is twins!). " Good point. More combined families will be better off living apart too - if you each have children and it takes you over two in the household. | |||
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"I guess uk will be like Greece in a couple of years on its knees asking for money from Germany with them clowns as PMs, this is a curtain call to move abroad." I don't think we will Shag. What makes you think that ? Our economy is much stronger than Greece's. | |||
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"I guess uk will be like Greece in a couple of years on its knees asking for money from Germany with them clowns as PMs, this is a curtain call to move abroad. I don't think we will Shag. What makes you think that ? Our economy is much stronger than Greece's. " Like with all the cut backs and things, they do it way to quick, the way to establish the economy better is to do it on a 10 year plan. | |||
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"I think the benefit clampdown has been along time coming personally If you dont want to work fine dont have benefits what we the tax payers pay " I have no problem with that but the folj that really need it are being hammered as well. | |||
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"I think the benefit clampdown has been along time coming personally If you dont want to work fine dont have benefits what we the tax payers pay I have no problem with that but the folj that really need it are being hammered as well." They need to stop letting people who aren't seeking asylum We need to sort our country out then look at helping other countries out The nhs is a mess The government is in a mess No housing for everyone And sort the homeless issue out. | |||
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"I guess uk will be like Greece in a couple of years on its knees asking for money from Germany with them clowns as PMs, this is a curtain call to move abroad." You don't have a clue. You really don't. Off you go then don't buy a return ticket. Greece is nothing like the UK. | |||
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"I guess uk will be like Greece in a couple of years on its knees asking for money from Germany with them clowns as PMs, this is a curtain call to move abroad. You don't have a clue. You really don't. Off you go then don't buy a return ticket. Greece is nothing like the UK. " lol not going till next year. We will see the outcome tomorrow. | |||
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" 5.Britain’s benefits bill will fall by £12billion over the next two years. George Osborne, the Chancellor, said he had “found” the savings, such as limiting child tax credits to two children " looks like it is not going to be 12 million anymore.... looks like it is likely to now be about 8 billion... I think they have finally realised too hard too fast... and i think they believed they would never win the election outright, so in any coalition agreement that would have been negoiated down | |||
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" 5.Britain’s benefits bill will fall by £12billion over the next two years. George Osborne, the Chancellor, said he had “found” the savings, such as limiting child tax credits to two children looks like it is not going to be 12 million anymore.... looks like it is likely to now be about 8 billion... I think they have finally realised too hard too fast... and i think they believed they would never win the election outright, so in any coalition agreement that would have been negoiated down" Let's hope they slow it down. | |||
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"*whispers it* Pensions reform" not a chance.... they have just redone it all which starts as of next year.... the only think they would possibly do is remove the "triple lock" but they wont do it because its their voters..... | |||
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"did he just say 8 billion more for the NHS ?? " . By 2020 | |||
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"1% limited payrise per year for public sector workers for the next 4 years" . Not to bad now. But wait till that inflation kicks in next year.... It will be like having a 4% cut year on year | |||
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"1% limited payrise per year for public sector workers for the next 4 years. Not to bad now. But wait till that inflation kicks in next year.... It will be like having a 4% cut year on year" that is exactly why i am waiting on him to give inflation targets later in the speech......... | |||
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"I guess uk will be like Greece in a couple of years on its knees asking for money from Germany with them clowns as PMs, this is a curtain call to move abroad. You don't have a clue. You really don't. Off you go then don't buy a return ticket. Greece is nothing like the UK. lol not going till next year. We will see the outcome tomorrow." Why do you think Spains population has fallen for the last 3 years running? | |||
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"any tax cuts yet ? " . They save them for the cheer at the end.. Heeeerrrree wave my subsided lunch menu! | |||
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"any tax cuts yet ? . They save them for the cheer at the end.. Heeeerrrree wave my subsided lunch menu!" cheers | |||
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"Lol the rich have NEVER paid inheritance tax! Now the middle classes aren't either!. Wtf is going to pay the extra tax?" Ermmm I am taking a guess it will be the poor | |||
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"Lol the rich have NEVER paid inheritance tax! Now the middle classes aren't either!. Wtf is going to pay the extra tax?" the change in pension tax relief for higher rate earners will cover that easily... | |||
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"Limiting child tax credit Something I agree " | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? " .Yeah | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah" I am in agreement with that also | |||
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"personal allowance going up 11,000 basic, higher going up to 43,000" cheers | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? " only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it | |||
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"With quick maths were up £3500 a year! Should just about pay for the rise on my cigars.... Huzzah " well done | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it" . Seems fair | |||
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"personal allowance going up 11,000 basic, higher going up to 43,000" End of the day you can't please everyone. Overall it looks like a good budget. | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it" I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. | |||
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"have to say... rather impressed with the juggling skills that have gone on" living wage! wooo hooooo | |||
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"An excellent budget " | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change." so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x | |||
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"When will you people realise austerity is an ideological programme! They use propaganda such as benefit street and illegal immigrants to make you think this is the area to cut when you look at figures for fraud and immigrants it makes up less than 1% of the benefits bill. austerity is like a cloak a robber pulls over eyes to allow someone (conservatives) to rob another (poor).you seriously think this money 'saved' is going anywhere other than private pockets? Its about profit and believe it or not the department of work and pensions has to make profit just like any other public business...welcome to United Kingdom PLC by the way greece said no to austerity remember greece is what started democracy so they know more inherently.Yes they owe money to the european banks but why should they? A bank is there to print money not to make profit! " So we should all just queue up, let the bank print us anything we want and not have to worry about paying it back? 3 bedroom homes and a car in every garage for all, regardless of how hard they work? | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x" IF a child is born after 2017 then you wont get any aditional help.. if you already have 4 children nothing will change.. | |||
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"When will you people realise austerity is an ideological programme! They use propaganda such as benefit street and illegal immigrants to make you think this is the area to cut when you look at figures for fraud and immigrants it makes up less than 1% of the benefits bill. austerity is like a cloak a robber pulls over eyes to allow someone (conservatives) to rob another (poor).you seriously think this money 'saved' is going anywhere other than private pockets? Its about profit and believe it or not the department of work and pensions has to make profit just like any other public business...welcome to United Kingdom PLC by the way greece said no to austerity remember greece is what started democracy so they know more inherently.Yes they owe money to the european banks but why should they? A bank is there to print money not to make profit! So we should all just queue up, let the bank print us anything we want and not have to worry about paying it back? 3 bedroom homes and a car in every garage for all, regardless of how hard they work?" well thats how it used to be pre usury(interest) days...the government had the right to print money backed by gold...but now its the imf or european and world banks that lend money on interest to governments which obviously doesnt work | |||
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"Was there anything on climate change? Or are we just gonna fry and suffocate a bit richer than we would've done before " . Lol... No Despite Dave's moccasins and green cycling.... He pretty much scrapped everything last term | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x" I guess beyond 2017 people will need to calculate if they can in fact have 4 children. It's risk management such as when you take out a mortgage or other loan. If there's going to be a change in your circumstances, can you manage to survive on reduced income or single wage. But then again I admit my _iewpoint is blurred as i think the concept of 4 children to be somewhat selfish and irresponsible when there is overpopulation in many countries of the world and resources are becoming pretty scarce. | |||
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"An excellent budget " If the Conservatives can follow that plan and pull this off, Labour can forget about being in government until 2025 at the earliest. High wage, low tax, low welfare economy | |||
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"1% limited payrise per year for public sector workers for the next 4 years" Won't know just what to spend it all on | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also " But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare." is it not new children | |||
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"1% limited payrise per year for public sector workers for the next 4 years Won't know just what to spend it all on " ive never had a payrise so enjoy your 1% | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children" All children born after 2017 | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children All children born after 2017" aye, that's what I thought... cheers | |||
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"more devolved powers for greater manchester... talks with leeds, liverpool and sheffield, transfer of powers for west midlands... and minor devolution for cornwall..." Was hoping for the North East to be governed from Holyrood | |||
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"An excellent budget If the Conservatives can follow that plan and pull this off, Labour can forget about being in government until 2025 at the earliest. High wage, low tax, low welfare economy " Indeed! Now all the government will have to do is create the jobs where people can earn these high wages. On that point, of course, they have nothing. So once again, welcome to UK 2015. Don't get ill, don't get young, don't get unemployed. | |||
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"2 interesting points..... 1) because they want inflation to be around the 2% mark... it means that the public sector workers, and work base benefits will suffer a real terms cut.... 2) if the goal if the people working an average of 30hr per week in a "minium wage/living wage" job not to pay any tax.... and it is going to be £9 pound per week by 2020..... then the personal allowance would have to be £14,040.... the goal was for the personal allowance was 12,500 by 2020..... something isn't right?" Are MPs public sector workers? Or does the 1% maximum rise not count if you work in a palace? | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children All children born after 2017 aye, that's what I thought... cheers" . I'd limit it at two whether your paying for them or not.... | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children All children born after 2017 aye, that's what I thought... cheers. I'd limit it at two whether your paying for them or not...." me too | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x I guess beyond 2017 people will need to calculate if they can in fact have 4 children. It's risk management such as when you take out a mortgage or other loan. If there's going to be a change in your circumstances, can you manage to survive on reduced income or single wage. But then again I admit my _iewpoint is blurred as i think the concept of 4 children to be somewhat selfish and irresponsible when there is overpopulation in many countries of the world and resources are becoming pretty scarce." You should go and live in China then old boy and make more room for my 4 lovely daughters. Despite having to pay more on my dividends next year I will still be delighted to buy you a one way ticket! | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children All children born after 2017 aye, that's what I thought... cheers. I'd limit it at two whether your paying for them or not.... me too " So is it okay by you, if when little Johnny is telling his mum in 2020 that his feet hurt because his shoes are too tight, that she says "well its either shoes or good", and he asks why, that she say " there's a bloke on FAB who will explain it to you? Do you want to take food out of a kids mouth. Because that will be the outcome. The answer is simple. Means tested child benefit. | |||
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"What was the projected inflation rate anyhow Fabio" he didn't say... so i am assuming that the OBR Figures in this one to check.. otherwise i would assume its the same as it was in the last budget in march | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? .Yeah I am in agreement with that also But who is willing to see, and tell a child to go hungry or go without shoes, because "we" don't want to help? They didn't ask to be born. It's chipping away at the welfare state, slowly in small steps, to get us used to the future where we won't have any welfare. is it not new children All children born after 2017 aye, that's what I thought... cheers. I'd limit it at two whether your paying for them or not.... me too So is it okay by you, if when little Johnny is telling his mum in 2020 that his feet hurt because his shoes are too tight, that she says "well its either shoes or good", and he asks why, that she say " there's a bloke on FAB who will explain it to you? Do you want to take food out of a kids mouth. Because that will be the outcome. The answer is simple. Means tested child benefit." . No I think the answer is education and then people who think having four kids Is good might think... Actually.... Were out of control, were like fucking rats, scurrying around nawwing away at the biosphere were stuck on.... Earth! | |||
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"What was the projected inflation rate anyhow Fabio he didn't say... so i am assuming that the OBR Figures in this one to check.. otherwise i would assume its the same as it was in the last budget in march" . According to Carney, he expects it to rise sharply over the next two years!... He didn't clarify the sharply wording though in the inter_iew | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit?" . Fuck no they should be limited to none | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x I guess beyond 2017 people will need to calculate if they can in fact have 4 children. It's risk management such as when you take out a mortgage or other loan. If there's going to be a change in your circumstances, can you manage to survive on reduced income or single wage. But then again I admit my _iewpoint is blurred as i think the concept of 4 children to be somewhat selfish and irresponsible when there is overpopulation in many countries of the world and resources are becoming pretty scarce. You should go and live in China then old boy and make more room for my 4 lovely daughters. Despite having to pay more on my dividends next year I will still be delighted to buy you a one way ticket! " Been to Hong Kong, looking to go to China in the next couple of years so if you'd like to pay half off that'd be great as I can fund my own way back | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit?" the flippant answer is only if the "1st birth" (triplets or more) or the "2nd birth" is a multiple birth (twins or more).... but it might not be far from the truth | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit?. Fuck no they should be limited to none" Hark at Henry the VIII here!!! | |||
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"I hope the meek get something... " Blessed art thou! | |||
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"An excellent budget If the Conservatives can follow that plan and pull this off, Labour can forget about being in government until 2025 at the earliest. High wage, low tax, low welfare economy " so in this 'high wage' economy do we now see the end of the ridiculous situation whereby people in full time employment are so poorly paid that they can claim working tax credit? | |||
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"1% limited payrise per year for public sector workers for the next 4 years Won't know just what to spend it all on ive never had a payrise so enjoy your 1% " So much to do with it ,not sure where to start | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit? the flippant answer is only if the "1st birth" (triplets or more) or the "2nd birth" is a multiple birth (twins or more).... but it might not be far from the truth" . The holy trinity of child birth .. Still at least he only promised them aids and syphilus and not whole swathes of other people's countries! I've got a real downer on humans since watching humans | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit?. Fuck no they should be limited to none Hark at Henry the VIII here!!! " ... Was he the nut who thought six wives was a good idea | |||
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" Are MPs public sector workers? Or does the 1% maximum rise not count if you work in a palace? " Now then we should all remember that they are a special type of employee paid by the state and they have their own 'independent body' who has just given them a 10% increase.. | |||
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"Have they limited it to two children? only for those who have two children born after april 2017.... will not account for people having mulitple births so people who already get it will keep it I guess it had to be done that way our else people would have plunged into poverty. It's terrible that people have been able to live by popping out children, this is a good change. so what about those that have worked all their adult life... Something happens ...They had 4 children and wham... They have to take a lower paid job... And only get tax credits for two.... Another thing If you sat on benefits having child after child x IF a child is born after 2017 then you wont get any aditional help.. if you already have 4 children nothing will change.. " Yes I know that but what I am saying is how is that fair on those with larger families in the future. I think it should be limited to no more children added after the start... I guess people even if they can afford it now will have to think twice about having more than one child. As tax credits doesn't give you much really for the child its meant for... Let alone trying to make it go further. | |||
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"Just a thought, but the bill for housing benefit is pushed up by private landlords raising rents. Now, this is a bit off the wall but bare with me, what if all people on housing benefit were in state owned housing? Would that not bring an element of control to housing benefit costs? And the landlords of private accommodation would be free to set there prices at whatever level they liked, without worrying that the govt would step in to introduce rent caps. Don't we need work for brickies, plumbers, carpenters, leckies....or are they all working on private houses?" . Tories have never been good at housing policies. Well they have but usually though shifting cheap rental state housing to high cost private housing... And then they moan at how much were spending on housing benefit... But to be fair they have made a start with lowering the tax on buy to let | |||
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"Are Catholics exempt from the 2 child limit?. Fuck no they should be limited to none Hark at Henry the VIII here!!! ... Was he the nut who thought six wives was a good idea " Well they kept dieing on him. A man has needs! | |||
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"An excellent budget If the Conservatives can follow that plan and pull this off, Labour can forget about being in government until 2025 at the earliest. High wage, low tax, low welfare economy so in this 'high wage' economy do we now see the end of the ridiculous situation whereby people in full time employment are so poorly paid that they can claim working tax credit? " for a single working person, no children, who does the average 35 hrs a week... the answer should be yes from what i am reading now.... a lot of the devil is going to be in the detail... for example the "national living wage" is only going to be applicable to those over 25...., and is still below the "real living wage" | |||
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"People will find a way around the 2 child policy... And it will actually cost more. Parents will live separately claiming benefits (in whatever form, working or not)in order to bypass the 2 child rule.... I've seen it before." . Is it two per person or per couple! | |||
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"A lot of decent policies, but as a student I can see the removal of maintenance grants being a right kick in the teeth to potential Uni goers. Fortunately I am about to start my final year & will therefore just miss having to take out -another- loan. First tuition fees tripled, now no grants? I feel super sorry for those younger than me (my brothers, for example). I understand we'll be able to claim more in the loan, but the whole point of the grant is the fact it doesn't have to be paid back. I know so many people who would have been/will be affected by this :/" i don't it will as such.. because as with the tuition fees it doesn't start being paid back until someone reaches the average wage (so at the moment 21,000) what it does do is put the devolved regions (scotland, wales and northern ireland) in a quandry as to whether they want to follow... or whether they want to keep it, but it will come out of the devolved budgets..... | |||
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"did he just say 8 billion more for the NHS ?? " He's probably talked of the same £8 billion a number of times, and will continue to do so, as if it's extra money, each and every time he mentions it. Unless the public were to pore over the NHS budget, the actual numbers aren't that intelligible, and just sound like lots of cash. | |||
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"It's a pretty pathological approach to shrinking the state, at the expense of the masses, while their means to exist in much but being close to poverty, are also pulled away from them. Large family - tough: they're not caring about the well being of the average type of person here, who now may struggle more than ever to feed and clothe their kids. And this rebranding of wages is just spin, polishing the turd, by the turds. Dismantling of our infrastructure, our well being, the safety nets for the masses, whilst the very rich are doing very nicely, thank you very much. We're on a par with the US, in terms of a diminished state, far less than Germany - who seem to be very healthy economically. What we're getting here is ideologically driven pushes towards short termism, where the masses don't matter. However it's dressed and tarted up, most of the stuff is just smoke and mirrors to what the real ideology is that's at work." It is an ideology that won the last election and has helped to create a significant number of jobs in the private sector. Why should the state be any larger than it needs to be, the cost of which is supported by the masses?? | |||
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"I think the BBC might show more re-runs and repeats and more cheap television shows. The screws are certainly tightening more on those least able to afford and complain about it. " It's all very well hoping the private sector will pay higher wages to take the place of reduced tax credits......but what if it doesn't? A moral and caring state would ensure the poor and vulnerable were protected - but they won't be. | |||
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"I think the BBC might show more re-runs and repeats and more cheap television shows. The screws are certainly tightening more on those least able to afford and complain about it. It's all very well hoping the private sector will pay higher wages to take the place of reduced tax credits......but what if it doesn't? A moral and caring state would ensure the poor and vulnerable were protected - but they won't be. " Employer has to pay higher wage as minimum wage increasing - and personal allowance also increasing. This has to make a difference ? | |||
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"The government have no concept on what it is like to live as a family on a low income who rely on top up credits or a disabled person who relies on disability payments to pay for extra help. People who have lost their jobs get into a mess financially because the bills don't go away if you lose your job, credit payments become debts and they still have to be paid. You can't just end contracts because you lose your job and payment protection plans only last so long. Schools demand money all the time as 'contributions' or trips and events can't take place. But the goverments are happy to throw £100billion to HS2 for a few fast trains that will only benefit 1-2% of the population. They need to change the corporate tax system as that is an area that should be bringing £billions into the country too. " Sanity, thank you | |||
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"People will find a way around the 2 child policy... And it will actually cost more. Parents will live separately claiming benefits (in whatever form, working or not)in order to bypass the 2 child rule.... I've seen it before.. Is it two per person or per couple!" two per household.... That's when people have children ' living' at other adresses in order to claim for more kids....it will happen | |||
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"It's the corperation tax lowering that pissed me off the most. We already had one of the lowest rates in the developed world! There was even some dipstick on radio five on my way home being inter_iewed who said... Oh it's a great thing it gives me more money to invest back into my business? Hey CT is a tax on profit not investment, I invested today in a new core drill and diamond core set, it doesn't come out of profit, profit is what's left after investing in my new drill! It's what I take home, its my wage, in fact I'd be more likely to invest in more tools if they were going to up my CT because I wouldn't pay as much tax on the extra profit. No wonder investment is on the slide in this country" The investment might not be made if cashflow is not there. A lower tax bill increases cash retained in the company and should therefore stimulate capital investment. Well that's the theory! | |||
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"It's the corperation tax lowering that pissed me off the most. We already had one of the lowest rates in the developed world! There was even some dipstick on radio five on my way home being inter_iewed who said... Oh it's a great thing it gives me more money to invest back into my business? Hey CT is a tax on profit not investment, I invested today in a new core drill and diamond core set, it doesn't come out of profit, profit is what's left after investing in my new drill! It's what I take home, its my wage, in fact I'd be more likely to invest in more tools if they were going to up my CT because I wouldn't pay as much tax on the extra profit. No wonder investment is on the slide in this country The investment might not be made if cashflow is not there. A lower tax bill increases cash retained in the company and should therefore stimulate capital investment. Well that's the theory!" . Yeah if you were sensible! I'm spending all mine on claret | |||
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"It's the corperation tax lowering that pissed me off the most. We already had one of the lowest rates in the developed world! There was even some dipstick on radio five on my way home being inter_iewed who said... Oh it's a great thing it gives me more money to invest back into my business? Hey CT is a tax on profit not investment, I invested today in a new core drill and diamond core set, it doesn't come out of profit, profit is what's left after investing in my new drill! It's what I take home, its my wage, in fact I'd be more likely to invest in more tools if they were going to up my CT because I wouldn't pay as much tax on the extra profit. No wonder investment is on the slide in this country The investment might not be made if cashflow is not there. A lower tax bill increases cash retained in the company and should therefore stimulate capital investment. Well that's the theory!. Yeah if you were sensible! I'm spending all mine on claret " What's Corporation Tax?? | |||
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"if they go ahead and cut tax credits they are going to put thousands of low paid housholds into poverty.does anyone remember the speech that camoron gave saying he would make work pay for everyone.so how is cutting tax credits going to help .them employers are not going to put up the wages of the low paid.utter madness from the tories" I had someone working part-time for me, 24 hours. I offered them a promotion - an increase to 36 hours with double the salary. They turned it down because they would lose too many benefits and would be worse off! | |||
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"if they go ahead and cut tax credits they are going to put thousands of low paid housholds into poverty.does anyone remember the speech that camoron gave saying he would make work pay for everyone.so how is cutting tax credits going to help .them employers are not going to put up the wages of the low paid.utter madness from the tories I had someone working part-time for me, 24 hours. I offered them a promotion - an increase to 36 hours with double the salary. They turned it down because they would lose too many benefits and would be worse off!" This has to be an indication that there is something wrong with the current benefits system | |||
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"Haven't heard much about the 1% social housing rental decreases, but that's about to fuck over local authority housing revenue account and social housing provider business cases big style. " They're increasing rent though for those on higher incomes to market rent, which I guess will help a little. Social Housing will have to diversify, there was a sentence in the budget that they will be re_iewing lifetime tenancies. I noticed it went quiet about expanding the Right to Acquire - I expected more on that today. Something which I was pleasantly surprised by was the increase in annuities for those awarded the Victoria and George Cross paid by financial fines. | |||
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"Haven't heard much about the 1% social housing rental decreases, but that's about to fuck over local authority housing revenue account and social housing provider business cases big style. They're increasing rent though for those on higher incomes to market rent, which I guess will help a little. Social Housing will have to diversify, there was a sentence in the budget that they will be re_iewing lifetime tenancies. I noticed it went quiet about expanding the Right to Acquire - I expected more on that today. Something which I was pleasantly surprised by was the increase in annuities for those awarded the Victoria and George Cross paid by financial fines. " The social housing tenants on higher incomes is mainly a London issue so I don't think it'll do much to offset the reductions in income streams for many areas. | |||
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"if they go ahead and cut tax credits they are going to put thousands of low paid housholds into poverty.does anyone remember the speech that camoron gave saying he would make work pay for everyone.so how is cutting tax credits going to help .them employers are not going to put up the wages of the low paid.utter madness from the tories I had someone working part-time for me, 24 hours. I offered them a promotion - an increase to 36 hours with double the salary. They turned it down because they would lose too many benefits and would be worse off!" Yes, that's often the case, and while you earn more which is great.... The cost of childcare becomes greater and due to your increased earnings and childcare help is reduce, which then eats into your promotion money and leaves you worse off.... Work should always make you better off... But it doesn't work like that, hasn't for years | |||
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"Haven't heard much about the 1% social housing rental decreases, but that's about to fuck over local authority housing revenue account and social housing provider business cases big style. They're increasing rent though for those on higher incomes to market rent, which I guess will help a little. Social Housing will have to diversify, there was a sentence in the budget that they will be re_iewing lifetime tenancies. I noticed it went quiet about expanding the Right to Acquire - I expected more on that today. Something which I was pleasantly surprised by was the increase in annuities for those awarded the Victoria and George Cross paid by financial fines. The social housing tenants on higher incomes is mainly a London issue so I don't think it'll do much to offset the reductions in income streams for many areas." The social housing sector will end up becoming more like the private rented - affordable rents and short fixed term tenancies. | |||
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"did he just say 8 billion more for the NHS ?? " That has always been on the pledge list. The NHS is still to making the expected £22bn saving though. | |||
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"Apparently were £160 better off from this budget......." We 70 Quid a week Worse off.. Invest in ATOS Shares Folks.. | |||
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"Apparently were £160 better off from this budget......." A week, a month or a year? | |||
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"Apparently were £160 better off from this budget....... A week, a month or a year? " Yearly I presume, if it was weekly I'd be doing cartwheels. Just a quick "calculator" I did online that someone shared on Facebook Hardly solid facts of how we're better or worse off | |||
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"Apparently were £160 better off from this budget....... A week, a month or a year? Yearly I presume, if it was weekly I'd be doing cartwheels. Just a quick "calculator" I did online that someone shared on Facebook Hardly solid facts of how we're better or worse off " £13 a month - fish and chips as a treat? | |||
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"Apparently were £160 better off from this budget....... A week, a month or a year? Yearly I presume, if it was weekly I'd be doing cartwheels. Just a quick "calculator" I did online that someone shared on Facebook Hardly solid facts of how we're better or worse off " The BBC has a calculator as well, single income, no children full time job I'm supposedly better off by £80 per annum. I'll re invest into lottery tickets, the numbers have to come up one day! | |||
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"When will you people realise austerity is an ideological programme! They use propaganda such as benefit street and illegal immigrants to make you think this is the area to cut when you look at figures for fraud and immigrants it makes up less than 1% of the benefits bill. austerity is like a cloak a robber pulls over eyes to allow someone (conservatives) to rob another (poor).you seriously think this money 'saved' is going anywhere other than private pockets? Its about profit and believe it or not the department of work and pensions has to make profit just like any. other public business...welcome to United Kingdom PLC by the way greece said no to austerity remember greece is what started democracy so they know more inherently.Yes they owe money to the european banks but why should they? A bank is there to print money not to make profit! " . How would printing money help?. It would just mean higher prices . | |||
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"When will you people realise austerity is an ideological programme! They use propaganda such as benefit street and illegal immigrants to make you think this is the area to cut when you look at figures for fraud and immigrants it makes up less than 1% of the benefits bill. austerity is like a cloak a robber pulls over eyes to allow someone (conservatives) to rob another (poor).you seriously think this money 'saved' is going anywhere other than private pockets? Its about profit and believe it or not the department of work and pensions has to make profit just like any. other public business...welcome to United Kingdom PLC by the way greece said no to austerity remember greece is what started democracy so they know more inherently.Yes they owe money to the european banks but why should they? A bank is there to print money not to make profit! . How would printing money help?. It would just mean higher prices . " Erm, QE? It's what we did. | |||
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"if they go ahead and cut tax credits they are going to put thousands of low paid housholds into poverty.does anyone remember the speech that camoron gave saying he would make work pay for everyone.so how is cutting tax credits going to help .them employers are not going to put up the wages of the low paid.utter madness from the tories I had someone working part-time for me, 24 hours. I offered them a promotion - an increase to 36 hours with double the salary. They turned it down because they would lose too many benefits and would be worse off!" Was it a childcare cost issue that made it prohibitive for them? | |||
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"All I know if it is a Tory budget the poor will get poorer and guess what happens to the rich !!!! " Maybe you should check your beliefs with the facts. The gab between the rich and the poor, historically, always seems to go up when Labour are in power and tends to fall when the Tories are. The biggest increase in the gap between rich poor was between 1998 and 2008. The actual gap between the rich and the poor fell from 2008 to 2014. In fact between 2010 and 2012 the poor actually got richer while rich got poorer. | |||
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"The Tories think cutting tax credit for the working poor will encourage the employers to increase wages !!!! Pigs might fly as well !! " Or they could just increase the minimum wage to a living wage. Oh, hold on they are!!! | |||
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"I think the benefit clampdown has been along time coming personally If you dont want to work fine dont have benefits what we the tax payers pay I have no problem with that but the folj that really need it are being hammered as well." Yea, increasing the minimum wage to £9 per hour is really going to hit the working poor. | |||
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