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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Nooooooooo!
Then logic kicks in and says this cannot be true cos the govt is tightening up the benefit system so surely this programme on the Romanians claiming benefits is just sensationalism. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw a news item that said the population of Romanians sleeping rough had risen 90%. Now I don't know what the figures are but I thought you needed an address to migrate to another country. Is life on our streets better than life in Romania? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Some of the guys are admitting to stealing.
One is claiming child benefit and child tax credits whilst his two lads are back in Romania with their mother. This is from his own mouth.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some of the guys are admitting to stealing.
One is claiming child benefit and child tax credits whilst his two lads are back in Romania with their mother. This is from his own mouth.
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If he's working and paying tax here he's entitled to them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"they say the same about the british in spain, holland, germany, sweden, france...............  "
Those poor Brits sleeping on the streets of Germany, begging and stealing,going through people's bins. I wonder if their children are terrorising neighbourhoods too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"they say the same about the british in spain, holland, germany, sweden, france............... "
Those poor Brits sleeping on the streets of Germany, begging and stealing,going through people's bins. I wonder if their children are terrorising neighbourhoods too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Strange how there aren't any fly on the wall programmes about MP's on expenses, Bankers on bonuses or Royals on 'Trade Missions' "
. Thank god for the thinking man! I would ask people to look at the big picture and not just take the media bull that's fed!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Our government measures the strength of our economy on house building.
The housing market is like a rubber band.
That rubber band is being stretched to its limit.
And when it snaps again !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Strange how there aren't any fly on the wall programmes about MP's on expenses, Bankers on bonuses or Royals on 'Trade Missions' "
Indeed. Or programmes that depict the vulnerable people who's lives would be blighted without help from state spending. It amazes me how people get a lump in their throats when watching the suffering of needy people on comic relief, children in need etc, but yet are happy to allow exactly the same people to be labelled as undeserving scroungers by politicians and media. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Some of the guys are admitting to stealing.
One is claiming child benefit and child tax credits whilst his two lads are back in Romania with their mother. This is from his own mouth.
If he's working and paying tax here he's entitled to them. "
A group of Romanians came over here, the house and their fares paid for by their clan leader. He gave them a job of collecting scrap metal, through self-employment, so they could then get a national insurance number so they could claim benefits. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What I do not understand is why on earth are they letting members of some of the EU groups through, then not having a safety net for them.Its heart breaking. Not surprised some turn to theft. Unless they are asylum seekers, then the benefits systems is literally closed to them. If they have children, they can claim child benefit and child tax credits, that is all for a period of at least 14 months. If they find employment, they work all hours and are often exploited. Food banks are their salvation. They are treated like scum and not a priority by the authorities. So don't buy into the medias version. |
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"What I do not understand is why on earth are they letting members of some of the EU groups through, then not having a safety net for them.Its heart breaking. Not surprised some turn to theft. Unless they are asylum seekers, then the benefits systems is literally closed to them. If they have children, they can claim child benefit and child tax credits, that is all for a period of at least 14 months. If they find employment, they work all hours and are often exploited. Food banks are their salvation. They are treated like scum and not a priority by the authorities. So don't buy into the medias version."
They are not deemed as a non priority they are deemed as non eligible for social housing and will be referred to the no recourse to public funds team who will either help with their immigration or will help them return home. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Non priority to me, which has actually been said too many times to me by benefits workers, when I'm trying to sort some of my family cases out. I take note of this. They are eligible for housing if they can pay their own rent. I wouldn't put a dog in some of the places they are offered to live in or where they live. |
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"Strange how there aren't any fly on the wall programmes about MP's on expenses, Bankers on bonuses or Royals on 'Trade Missions' "
Don't watch this hateful divide and conquer shite. The problems lie elsewhere - it's just misdirection. |
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If the media posted and aired full facts and not partial facts, people would soon realise how much is hyped up, best thing to read for true facts and figures is the DWP annual report, it shows the figures the media are not allowed to |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Members of the EU have rights to travel within the EU without a visa but in order to be eligible for benefits etc they have to demonstrate that they are excersising their treaty rights..."
Yes they do. However In the meantime they have to struggle, in order to excersise these rights? |
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"Members of the EU have rights to travel within the EU without a visa but in order to be eligible for benefits etc they have to demonstrate that they are excersising their treaty rights...
Yes they do. However In the meantime they have to struggle, in order to excersise these rights? "
No they find a job then they will be eligible for benefits etc as long as they are earning a certain amount a week etc they will be entitled to housing benefits. I'm sorry but they can't expect to come over here not work while they are here and sit on benefits if they are able to work I also have the same _iew with bone idol lazy British citizens. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd like to hope that you are right about the hyping up on these programs but I work in a pub and see the same people all without jobs drinking 7 days a week for 7 or 8 hours straight and going on holidays I can only think of in a full time job does not seem right |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Of course they should work if they are able to, and not rely on benefits. I am never disputing that. As for the idle British, could not agree more, especially when they do not have any barriers to overcome. How easy is it for some of them, (EU), to secure employment? Not at all easy. Speaking as a black Briton, who was born here, it is difficult. |
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By *horltzMan
over a year ago
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"I'd like to hope that you are right about the hyping up on these programs but I work in a pub and see the same people all without jobs drinking 7 days a week for 7 or 8 hours straight and going on holidays I can only think of in a full time job does not seem right "
Often wondered how they afford this lifestyle |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To all the liberal progressive posters who think unchecked migration is desirable. Answer one question with a detailed analysis of how it might be affordable. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"To all the liberal progressive posters who think unchecked migration is desirable. Answer one question with a detailed analysis of how it might be affordable. "
wtf where does anybody say that they don't but hey no doubt your one of these who think the "scrounges " are bleeding us dry ? Think you need to go look at the whole benefits spend the vast majority is for housing benefit for low paid workers and tax credits . Now ask your self who's benefitting from subsidys to low wages and high rents ? Greedy landlords and greedy employers that's who but hey don't let the truth get on the way of a good right wing lie
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"Of course they should work if they are able to, and not rely on benefits. I am never disputing that. As for the idle British, could not agree more, especially when they do not have any barriers to overcome. How easy is it for some of them, (EU), to secure employment? Not at all easy. Speaking as a black Briton, who was born here, it is difficult. "
You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them. "
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For example look at those car washes that have popped up the ones in disused petrol stations they were not around say 10 years ago but with the influx of Eastern Europeans they took it upon themselves to set up their own businesses with the car washes, I take my hat off to them. We can't tar a whole nation of people for the actions of a minority of that nation that takes the piss out of our some what lax benefit system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What I do not understand is why on earth are they letting members of some of the EU groups through, then not having a safety net for them.Its heart breaking. Not surprised some turn to theft. Unless they are asylum seekers, then the benefits systems is literally closed to them. If they have children, they can claim child benefit and child tax credits, that is all for a period of at least 14 months. If they find employment, they work all hours and are often exploited. Food banks are their salvation. They are treated like scum and not a priority by the authorities. So don't buy into the medias version."
They could have just not come without a proper job and plan?
This is the main issue with the EU, you wouldn't find people complaint about freedom of movement if it had stayed just the economical and culturally similar nations (Norway, Sweden, France Germany Italy, Denmark, Holland etc) but then they added in all the former Soviet block of impoverished countries and then seemed surprised when it flooded the founding countries with cheap labour and problems. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw a news item that said the population of Romanians sleeping rough had risen 90%. Now I don't know what the figures are but I thought you needed an address to migrate to another country. Is life on our streets better than life in Romania? "
Ok so ... Anyone from the eu who hasn't worked can get jsa for 3 months.
To get housing benefit as an eu national you need to have worked in the uk for 6 years. So...i work with rough sleepers and all eu national on the street are offered to go back home (the uk pay for it) and lots turn it down. I find it very sad that sleeping on the streets is better than home for most |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd like to hope that you are right about the hyping up on these programs but I work in a pub and see the same people all without jobs drinking 7 days a week for 7 or 8 hours straight and going on holidays I can only think of in a full time job does not seem right "
These people are normally british (get HB and are on ESA) normally signed off for mental health issues around there drinking. No eu national not gettiny hb and get 70 pounds a week for 3montha is drinking in the pub all day |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"For example look at those car washes that have popped up the ones in disused petrol stations they were not around say 10 years ago but with the influx of Eastern Europeans they took it upon themselves to set up their own businesses with the car washes, I take my hat off to them. We can't tar a whole nation of people for the actions of a minority of that nation that takes the piss out of our some what lax benefit system. "
I fear that the sensationalism of this small percentage will increase prejudice and racism. |
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You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them.
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or wont do because the wages arent enough to live on |
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You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them.
or wont do because the wages arent enough to live on "
Well it's more than the £70 a week they get sitting on JSA and there is assistance such as working tax credits and housing benefit to assist those on a low income. I don't have any assistance from the state as its deemed I earn too much but each month I struggle to make ends meet, my bills are going up and I have my rent there are many people in this country in full time work in the same situation as me I have no kids etc so I'm entitled to fuck all but I would much rather work than sit on benefits jumping through hoops being treated like crap by the job adviser if the only job I could get was scrubbing toilets well I'll just don my best rubber gloves and scrub. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them.
or wont do because the wages arent enough to live on
Well it's more than the £70 a week they get sitting on JSA and there is assistance such as working tax credits and housing benefit to assist those on a low income. I don't have any assistance from the state as its deemed I earn too much but each month I struggle to make ends meet, my bills are going up and I have my rent there are many people in this country in full time work in the same situation as me I have no kids etc so I'm entitled to fuck all but I would much rather work than sit on benefits jumping through hoops being treated like crap by the job adviser if the only job I could get was scrubbing toilets well I'll just don my best rubber gloves and scrub. "
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"Majority of benefits money goes to.......
Pensioners
Lower rents, raise minimum wage to match cost of living. That's how you do benefit cuts"
. When you say that the majority of benefits money goes to pensioners , most pensioners will have paid into the system all their working lives . The real issue is people claiming benefits who have paid nothing in. |
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"I'd like to hope that you are right about the hyping up on these programs but I work in a pub and see the same people all without jobs drinking 7 days a week for 7 or 8 hours straight and going on holidays I can only think of in a full time job does not seem right "
. We should have a rigorous clamp down on anyone entering the UK without a job. It should be immediate deportation. Britain should not have to assist those from abroad who are unable to work. This is tax payers money and we have a responsibility as to how it is spent .
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By (user no longer on site)
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You will find that most of the immigrants that come over here do find jobs pretty quickly over here because they do the jobs that most British born people think is beneath them.
or wont do because the wages arent enough to live on
Well it's more than the £70 a week they get sitting on JSA and there is assistance such as working tax credits and housing benefit to assist those on a low income. I don't have any assistance from the state as its deemed I earn too much but each month I struggle to make ends meet, my bills are going up and I have my rent there are many people in this country in full time work in the same situation as me I have no kids etc so I'm entitled to fuck all but I would much rather work than sit on benefits jumping through hoops being treated like crap by the job adviser if the only job I could get was scrubbing toilets well I'll just don my best rubber gloves and scrub. "
Would you do it if was 0hrs contract so didnt know what hours you'd be working from 1 week to the next and afraid that if they phoned up and asked you to come in but you weren't able to you could lose your job?
Yes there is top ups to your wages but not everyone knows about them. Shouldn't the job you are doing pay enough to live on anyway if it's full time without assistance from housing benefit or tax credits? If you want to encourage people to go out and work make it worthwhile for them as thought that was the point of employment was to better your situation. Fix this and then we can start tackling poverty as 50% of all families living under the poverty line have at least 1 working parent. |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
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The next targets will be the millions on Tax Credits as the government think they can save 2 billion from cutting these, hard working people being penalised for being caught in working in low paid jobs.
These new cuts in the next budget will cause havoc, they tend to put the tax threshold higher for those on low paid jobs and do away with tax credits but if you are only on minimum wage you end up worse off.
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"Majority of benefits money goes to.......
Pensioners
Pensions aren't really a benefit,its yet more governmental propaganda and bollocks "
Pensions, and benefits to pensioners, take up the majority of the UK welfare budget at £154.7bn - topping even our spending on the NHS.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2016UKbn_14bc1n_4000#ukgs302
Yes, it depends on how you count it of course, but for the purposes of g'ment expenditure pensions have always been considered part of the welfare pot. |
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"Majority of benefits money goes to.......
Pensioners
Pensions aren't really a benefit,its yet more governmental propaganda and bollocks
Pensions, and benefits to pensioners, take up the majority of the UK welfare budget at £154.7bn - topping even our spending on the NHS.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2016UKbn_14bc1n_4000#ukgs302
Yes, it depends on how you count it of course, but for the purposes of g'ment expenditure pensions have always been considered part of the welfare pot."
Yes We should amend the current pension system to make it self funding . Your pension should be based on your contributions. Out of interest , by how much did you want to cut pensions by ?. Most pensioners will have paid NI contributions all their lives so the cuts should be aimed at those who did not work.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As already mentioned, a refreshing amount of people who sort of "get it"  don't really come here to talk politics but yes the system will crash, its debt driven and debt is out of fashion. Just to sow a seed though.. The world needs less workers, we need to change from the industrial revolution to the technological revolution.. And we haven't caught up. So maybe we need to reduce the retirement age to 50 and give the jobs and income to the young and spend the support more wisely. This concept that life purpose is work, busy busy, accumulating wealth and possessions is a clever con to create worker sheep. And before people jump on me, I may live in a bus but I pay tax! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Majority of benefits money goes to.......
Pensioners
Pensions aren't really a benefit,its yet more governmental propaganda and bollocks
Pensions, and benefits to pensioners, take up the majority of the UK welfare budget at £154.7bn - topping even our spending on the NHS.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2016UKbn_14bc1n_4000#ukgs302
Yes, it depends on how you count it of course, but for the purposes of g'ment expenditure pensions have always been considered part of the welfare pot. Yes We should amend the current pension system to make it self funding . Your pension should be based on your contributions. Out of interest , by how much did you want to cut pensions by ?. Most pensioners will have paid NI contributions all their lives so the cuts should be aimed at those who did not work.. "
Didn't say pensions should be cut just pointing out that fact seeing many people are believing the tripe that papers like the daily mail print. Sort out those individuals and corporations who are dodging tax, encourage people to work by raising wages so that it does pay to work and stop picking on those who do need welfare because they genuinely can't work. Maybe then relatives would be able to get a decent allowance so that either they or someone else could look after a loved one that was ill or disabled without putting them on the breadline. As been said before don't believe the propaganda as it's just there so that you don't realise the real problem with society today and that's that there is too many people at the top bleeding it dry for their own benefit. Expenses for being an MP when most of them already earn more than the average household? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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".............. So maybe we need to reduce the retirement age to 50 and give the jobs and income to the young and spend the support more wisely. This concept that life purpose is work, busy busy, accumulating wealth and possessions is a clever con to create worker sheep. And before people jump on me, I may live in a bus but I pay tax!"
Isn't that what's caused much of the trouble in Greece? |
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"Nope greece joined the euro, that was its only mistake "
Not the only one - that's the whole point about why the Troika want to draw the line under Greece, because if they don;t what about Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Cyprus &c &c? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When Thatcher was "rough wooing" this country i became an economic migrant. I went abroad to put food on my family's table, keep a roof over their heads, clothes on their back and heat.
My father came to the uk on a kinter train.
Oddly enough, i have a more tolerant _iew of people trying to get by. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope greece joined the euro, that was its only mistake
Not the only one - that's the whole point about why the Troika want to draw the line under Greece, because if they don;t what about Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Cyprus &c &c?"
That's the point though, as soon as you join the euro you lose the ability for domestic quantative easing and bail outs. If the uk had been in the euro then we would have followed the same route as we woudlnt have been able to have creeated our own electronic money.. But be hostage to the ecb. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The first computer i ever operated was in March 1972. It was run by a financial services company.
As time went on the use of computers grew. By the late 1970s people were talking about being able to be a services driven economy where there would be jobs for all because we would be working 5 hours a day, 3 days a week in a paperless office where we would retire at 55.
I think the Oracle got that one wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed???? |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????"
**COtitFFS** |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????"
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! "
#cabawiththismidlessDailyFailrubbish |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Great, VAMPIRE immigrants now...
If they looked like the cast of Vampire diaries I'd let them have my spare room "
So would Mrs C, then again it would probably me in the spare room lol |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! "
. Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ? |
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"Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?"
#loadofballs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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All these programmes do is demonise people on benefits. What about the people that claim in work benefits or pensioners on benefits do they mention that or people in work having to use food banks as they cant afford to live on their wages x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????"
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That's just bollocks
You can build a house in Romania for less than 20k easily!
You can buy one already built for 40k |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????.
That's just bollocks
You can build a house in Romania for less than 20k easily!
You can buy one already built for 40k"
I know dude, it's like you spend long enough arguing with an idiot and the casual passer-by won;t be able to tell who's who :/ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help "
ASYLUM SEEKERS
" or illegal immigrants ?"
I've highlighted part of your quote because I'd like to make the point asylum seekers are NOT illegal immigrants. They are people who have had to flee their countries to protect themselves and the lives of their family. Illegal immigrants are chancers who just want to try their luck somewhere else.
I'm certain that everyone here would agreed that those who have not contributed shouldn't be allowed to generate a life on benefits but Cameron and his lap dog Iain Duncan Smith are only adding more poverty to this country with their attack on those using benefits. Oh wait sorry just the other day they abolished the method as to how we measure poverty. I don't have faith in any of the parties anymore to do the right thing and fix the system that has become overburdened with red tape and MP's tripping over themselves to pander to giant corporations. They said after they were elected 5yrs ago that 'Austerity, we're all in it together.' What utter bollocks that was and yet still the general public voted them in for a second time.....
Baa need I say more??? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help ASYLUM SEEKERS or illegal immigrants ?
I've highlighted part of your quote because I'd like to make the point asylum seekers are NOT illegal immigrants. They are people who have had to flee their countries to protect themselves and the lives of their family. Illegal immigrants are chancers who just want to try their luck somewhere else.
I'm certain that everyone here would agreed that those who have not contributed shouldn't be allowed to generate a life on benefits but Cameron and his lap dog Iain Duncan Smith are only adding more poverty to this country with their attack on those using benefits. Oh wait sorry just the other day they abolished the method as to how we measure poverty. I don't have faith in any of the parties anymore to do the right thing and fix the system that has become overburdened with red tape and MP's tripping over themselves to pander to giant corporations. They said after they were elected 5yrs ago that 'Austerity, we're all in it together.' What utter bollocks that was and yet still the general public voted them in for a second time.....
Baa need I say more???"
It's worth remembering that the Romanians of this thread aren't asylum seekers OR illegal immigrants.
They're here quite legally under EU law. |
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One thing that has become apparent in British political discussion today is the intolerance shown to differing opinions. From the Scottish Nats with their orchestrated campaigns to break up Labour meetings, to the mudslinging that goes on whenever anyone dares air an opinion that is not inline with those of the more vocal participants of a discussion. Surely one of the basic tenants of democracy is free speech? Why then does there always have to be accusations of Daily Mail readership and the like? Instead of trying to shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you why can people not have a decent discussion? We try to believe we are better than places like North Korea and Zimbabwe but it just looks to me as though many people in this country - particularly to the left - would rather stifle decent debate.
For the record, I read the Daily Mail and also other propaganda media like The Guardian and The Independent. They all have their agendas and each one is to be taken with a massive helping of salt. Anyone who believes otherwise is foolish.
Now back to the topic at hand... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! . Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?"
We should help asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. They are at risk of persecution it murder in their place of origin. This is basic human decency. No-one from Europe is an illegal immigrant. |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! . Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?
We should help asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. They are at risk of persecution it murder in their place of origin. This is basic human decency. No-one from Europe is an illegal immigrant. "
. How would weknow they are at the risk of persecution ?. Why should we have any interest in basic hu man rights . Everything that you have in life has to be earned , not , not given to you on a plate . |
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! . Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?
We should help asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. They are at risk of persecution it murder in their place of origin. This is basic human decency. No-one from Europe is an illegal immigrant. "
They do get help it's called NASS |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! . Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?
We should help asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. They are at risk of persecution it murder in their place of origin. This is basic human decency. No-one from Europe is an illegal immigrant. "
Except asylum laws state you must seek asylum in the first safe country you come to.
Can you tell my why the rest of Europe is considered unsafe? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
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This always gets brought up. Just because you can't solve all problems at once why can't you fix the ones you can solve first. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Except asylum laws state you must seek asylum in the first safe country you come to.
Can you tell my why the rest of Europe is considered unsafe?"
Hungary have changed their rules so they are not taking back asylum seekers who have gone onto other European Countries even if reached Hungary as their first country. They say they can't cope with the influx. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
This always gets brought up. Just because you can't solve all problems at once why can't you fix the ones you can solve first."
Are we going to forceably sterilise people or force them on contraception? Isn't education the way forward and demonstrating there's a different way to live? |
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How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
This always gets brought up. Just because you can't solve all problems at once why can't you fix the ones you can solve first.
Are we going to forceably sterilise people or force them on contraception? Isn't education the way forward and demonstrating there's a different way to live? "
It's a generational thing kid grows up with mum and dad on benefits living in their council house, kid grows up has kids and the cycle begins again. However you are right people need to be educated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
This always gets brought up. Just because you can't solve all problems at once why can't you fix the ones you can solve first.
Are we going to forceably sterilise people or force them on contraception? Isn't education the way forward and demonstrating there's a different way to live? "
What!?
How did you get to that?
My point was people always bring up British born benefit claimants as an argument aging measures to prevent immigrant benefit claimants.
Ie if we can't solve the native issue why bother dealing with the immigration issue which we can deal with.
Not sure why you lept to forced sterilisation |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
This always gets brought up. Just because you can't solve all problems at once why can't you fix the ones you can solve first.
Are we going to forceably sterilise people or force them on contraception? Isn't education the way forward and demonstrating there's a different way to live?
What!?
How did you get to that?
My point was people always bring up British born benefit claimants as an argument aging measures to prevent immigrant benefit claimants.
Ie if we can't solve the native issue why bother dealing with the immigration issue which we can deal with.
Not sure why you lept to forced sterilisation "
You said about breeding . As if they can't have children. I know you didn't say forceably stop them. But how do you stop it?
The difficulty is , it's the children who suffer - they didn't ask to be born. That's where it comes back to every time. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"give the peasents issues to squabble about and they wont worry what govt is up to.
Yup.
Pit the 'have-nots' against the 'have-nothing's and, pssst! don't look what's going on above!"
What is going on 'above'? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was furious when I saw the program.
Romanian Gypsy is getting over £800 a month on benefits and trying to save 40k to build his bloody house back in Romania.
Thought the bloody gov is going scrap the benefits and will not give any hand outs unless they have contributed????
How do you feel about British people who happily live on benefits, breeding, never worked with no intention of doing so receiving benefits?
I saw a programme the other day of a British woman, looked fit to me, happily growing in her paid for council house spending £93 a week in Waitrose : forking out £3 for a loaf with seven slices.
I resent paying for anyone who hasn't contributed regardless whether they live in a palace or temporary accommodation! . Nice post and my my thoughts exactly . I am happy to help the disabled but bitterly resent paying taxes to help those who cannot be bothered to work. Why should we help asylum seekers or illegal immigrants ?
We should help asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. They are at risk of persecution it murder in their place of origin. This is basic human decency. No-one from Europe is an illegal immigrant.
Except asylum laws state you must seek asylum in the first safe country you come to.
Can you tell my why the rest of Europe is considered unsafe?"
Aeroplanes do actually bring people from other countries to the UK as their first place of departure. Not everyone walks. And for those who come to Europe by boat, do you really think that every one of them should be accommodated in Italy? Human crises deserve attention and solutions globally, not simply washing our hands of the issue because we don't happen to share a border with a population that is facing catastrophic circumstances. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"give the peasents issues to squabble about and they wont worry what govt is up to.
Yup.
Pit the 'have-nots' against the 'have-nothing's and, pssst! don't look what's going on above!
What is going on 'above'?"
the oldest trick in the book devide and conquer or as the romans called it "bread & circuses " used to distract the mob from the inadequacies of the ruling classes in this the bread is house prices or the shiney new BMW the circuses the dumbed down "reality" TV that "entertains the masses " eg xfactor big brother and this type of programme . where are the programmes challenging the govt dont ask the bbc as they are scared to loose the licence fee ( look what happen to a large chunk of it today ) itv or sky they are so deep in the govts pockets its shamefull |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They come here leaving ghost towns behind so there is no funding going back into their own countries. No wonder the euro and the Greeks are going down hill.
Do we really want to stay within the Euro and carry on with the floodgates open. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Two things! Firstly, open borders is progress. Great walls should be seen for what they were... Evil. Secondly.... Far more info here than on peoples' profiles
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