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Not sure whats happening in other towns/ cities...number of rough sleepers seem to be increasing.
I like many others find it upsetting.. and all to acutely aware myself possibly only a pay packet away or twist of fate away from same situ.
More disturbing is the number of females you
See..... I,m all for equal rights and equality but feel this is a bit far.
Few nights back i stopped and gave change to one and chatted for a while...
Could,nt get passed the concious thought was i doing it out of genuine concern ,, sympathy or reassurance and was i sounding self rightous ..
Saw a female in a door way a little further down street , said hello gave change.....
BUT..!! did not wish to chat.... Not that i did,nt want to just did,nt want perception from revellars passing by thinking " yeah, you know what he,s after' or even thinking seeing me do so that she may be fare game...
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Its horrible to see them, I work in Liverpool sometimes and start early, theres hundreds of men and women asleep in doorways then as the city wakes up they all sort of dissapear.
Its different for me i think being female, if i stop and chat no one sees it as anything but that. Its sad that we live in a world where someone else would presume a man talking to a homeless woman had an ulterior motive.  |
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I've always wanted to run a homeless shelter! It's something very close to my heart! I always buy off my local big issue seller and try and give him food, drink or an extra couple of quid!
Never be afraid to show kindness |
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sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night. |
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"Not sure whats happening in other towns/ cities...number of rough sleepers seem to be increasing.
I like many others find it upsetting.. and all to acutely aware myself possibly only a pay packet away or twist of fate away from same situ.
More disturbing is the number of females you
See..... I,m all for equal rights and equality but feel this is a bit far.
Few nights back i stopped and gave change to one and chatted for a while...
Could,nt get passed the concious thought was i doing it out of genuine concern ,, sympathy or reassurance and was i sounding self rightous ..
Saw a female in a door way a little further down street , said hello gave change.....
BUT..!! did not wish to chat.... Not that i did,nt want to just did,nt want perception from revellars passing by thinking " yeah, you know what he,s after' or even thinking seeing me do so that she may be fare game...
Very hard and upsetting... "
Your in Brighton? You've still got the greens in charge down there?
I remember hearing of some of their policies which were quite attractive to homeless people.
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More should be done to help them off the streets into housing and jobs but unfortunately we are a throw away culture and that sadly includes humans as well |
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Not so sure about the UK, but from where I originally come from, there are syndicates putting people at the street begging for money. They earn quite a lot (hundreds per day).
Most of them are not local but from other countries.
I think it's quite difficult to know who is really genuine nowadays. |
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"Not so sure about the UK, but from where I originally come from, there are syndicates putting people at the street begging for money. They earn quite a lot (hundreds per day).
Most of them are not local but from other countries.
I think it's quite difficult to know who is really genuine nowadays."
Yes happens in uk as well |
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Having worked with lifeline i now have many friends in the homeless community and often stop for a chat n a brew when in the city centre and i have to say the judgmental looks n nasty under breath remarks i get from some passers by for sitting a few moments with a "smack head piss artist" (comments i have heard far too many times) make me very sad and angry as there for the grace of god it could have been me if not for the help of lifeline during a dark time in my life. Homelessness is not a choice taken lightly and the back stories of many in the homeless community would make even the hardest heart weep so yes i stop for a chat i buy a sandwich and a brew, give a few ciggys and some change and yes i give of my time after all a random act of kindness to someone less fortunate rather than a harsh judgement make us better human beings in my _iew |
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over a year ago
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night. "
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it. |
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People who work with homeless charities ask you to donate to them and only ever offer food and drink to homeless people. Never money.
Our son did voluntary work with one last year.
There have been studies, one near us, that showed 9 out of 10 'homeless' people had homes to go.
As always they make it harder for those in genuine need.
Mr ddc |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it."
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"Its horrible to see them, I work in Liverpool sometimes and start early, theres hundreds of men and women asleep in doorways then as the city wakes up they all sort of dissapear.
Its different for me i think being female, if i stop and chat no one sees it as anything but that. Its sad that we live in a world where someone else would presume a man talking to a homeless woman had an ulterior motive. "
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I knew it wouldnt be long before some clown would make an ill thought out right wing facist point. As we all know all the things we dont like in the uk are caused by migrants, asylum seekers and the EU so no idea why they feel a need to try and highjack every thread they can, boring  |
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"I've always wanted to run a homeless shelter! It's something very close to my heart! I always buy off my local big issue seller and try and give him food, drink or an extra couple of quid!
Never be afraid to show kindness "
yep your right there... Unfortunately for some kindness is perceived as a fault ir weakness..
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"Not sure whats happening in other towns/ cities...number of rough sleepers seem to be increasing.
I like many others find it upsetting.. and all to acutely aware myself possibly only a pay packet away or twist of fate away from same situ.
More disturbing is the number of females you
See..... I,m all for equal rights and equality but feel this is a bit far.
Few nights back i stopped and gave change to one and chatted for a while...
Could,nt get passed the concious thought was i doing it out of genuine concern ,, sympathy or reassurance and was i sounding self rightous ..
Saw a female in a door way a little further down street , said hello gave change.....
BUT..!! did not wish to chat.... Not that i did,nt want to just did,nt want perception from revellars passing by thinking " yeah, you know what he,s after' or even thinking seeing me do so that she may be fare game...
Very hard and upsetting...
Your in Brighton? You've still got the greens in charge down there?
I remember hearing of some of their policies which were quite attractive to homeless people.
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no i think we may have a coalition in council now..
Not a big fan of Greens, however your right they did have good ideas for rough sleepers.
And to be fare when they were in council they did act on them.. i,ll give them that. |
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"What's yr point, OP?
Vote Tory and you can expect more people on the streets.
I spent 10 years working with homelessness in London. It's a big ol' shit sandwich."
I have to agree with you on the big ol shit sandwich. |
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Greedy landlords, a lack of social housing, a lack of affordable housing and benefit cuts. It's a toxic mix and one that is going to get a whole lot worse |
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"Not so sure about the UK, but from where I originally come from, there are syndicates putting people at the street begging for money. They earn quite a lot (hundreds per day).
Most of them are not local but from other countries.
I think it's quite difficult to know who is really genuine nowadays."
hhhmmmm yes that is a valid point... Always going to be scum who are happy to prey on the backs of others misery.... Your right. |
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"I knew it wouldnt be long before some clown would make an ill thought out right wing facist point. As we all know all the things we dont like in the uk are caused by migrants, asylum seekers and the EU so no idea why they feel a need to try and highjack every thread they can, boring "
If you quote who you are referring to, it may help that person defend themselves.
Sometimes 'the Right' manage to get things right, and occasionally it is more beneficial than the hand-wringing the left often fall back on...
How many homes were built by Gordon Brown? |
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OP, your very correct in the fact you may just be one pay packet away from this situation yourself. I have previously been homeless as well as done a lot of work in this field and trust me the true facts are staggering.
But you go to your local council and ask them how many homeless people there are in your area and they will say ohh only 2/3.
I recall a study in a large city recently to find out how many homeless people there was, to actually qualify for homeless you had to be asleep in a shop doorway at 5pm. Ridiculous I know but that's what happens. Secondly, to register as a homeless person in an area you need to have a local connection, then the LA have a duty of care to you, but 9/10 times all that happens is they then move you to a BnB in a totally different area. The reason for this is simple, again it improves the statistics for there area.
Do not even get me started on Food Banks, myself and my ex set up and ran one from home, purely with the aim to help ANYONE regardless of the situation as everyone has a right to eat. Yeah you get one or two piss takers, but I could shock you all with the states some people are living in. |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it."
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve"
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential. |
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"Not sure whats happening in other towns/ cities...number of rough sleepers seem to be increasing.
I like many others find it upsetting.. and all to acutely aware myself possibly only a pay packet away or twist of fate away from same situ.
More disturbing is the number of females you
See..... I,m all for equal rights and equality but feel this is a bit far.
Few nights back i stopped and gave change to one and chatted for a while...
Could,nt get passed the concious thought was i doing it out of genuine concern ,, sympathy or reassurance and was i sounding self rightous ..
Saw a female in a door way a little further down street , said hello gave change.....
BUT..!! did not wish to chat.... Not that i did,nt want to just did,nt want perception from revellars passing by thinking " yeah, you know what he,s after' or even thinking seeing me do so that she may be fare game...
Very hard and upsetting...
Your in Brighton? You've still got the greens in charge down there?
I remember hearing of some of their policies which were quite attractive to homeless people.
And that in a nutshell is the problem, things sound good when they are discussed but actually meeting the criteria needed is a much harder task
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"I knew it wouldnt be long before some clown would make an ill thought out right wing facist point. As we all know all the things we dont like in the uk are caused by migrants, asylum seekers and the EU so no idea why they feel a need to try and highjack every thread they can, boring
If you quote who you are referring to, it may help that person defend themselves.
Sometimes 'the Right' manage to get things right, and occasionally it is more beneficial than the hand-wringing the left often fall back on...
How many homes were built by Gordon Brown?"
rolmfao you cant defend the indefencible |
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Yet the sick irony is....
Hyperthetically should relations with say Russia over Ukraine deteriate to the point of potential declaration of war with Uk....
Then and only then in the need for " bullet fodder" would they show attention ti these people.....
Not that realistically this would happen.. |
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All other local authorities mainly London borough ones seems to send all their homeless people to live in Birmingham..using temporary accommodation in Birmingham then just "forgetting" about them, Birmingham has its own issues with homelessness without taking on the burden of other local authorities problems.. |
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"Yet the sick irony is....
Hyperthetically should relations with say Russia over Ukraine deteriate to the point of potential declaration of war with Uk....
Then and only then in the need for " bullet fodder" would they show attention ti these people.....
Not that realistically this would happen.."
If that does happen the war will be over in 3 minutes :p |
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"More should be done to help them off the streets into housing and jobs but unfortunately we are a throw away culture and that sadly includes humans as well "
So true. We can all try and do our bit though ie volunteering for charities. Things are unfortunately going to get worse for the most vulnerable in society under this shower in government.
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"I knew it wouldnt be long before some clown would make an ill thought out right wing facist point. As we all know all the things we dont like in the uk are caused by migrants, asylum seekers and the EU so no idea why they feel a need to try and highjack every thread they can, boring "
Who is this talking to? |
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"Having worked with lifeline i now have many friends in the homeless community and often stop for a chat n a brew when in the city centre and i have to say the judgmental looks n nasty under breath remarks i get from some passers by for sitting a few moments with a "smack head piss artist" (comments i have heard far too many times) make me very sad and angry as there for the grace of god it could have been me if not for the help of lifeline during a dark time in my life. Homelessness is not a choice taken lightly and the back stories of many in the homeless community would make even the hardest heart weep so yes i stop for a chat i buy a sandwich and a brew, give a few ciggys and some change and yes i give of my time after all a random act of kindness to someone less fortunate rather than a harsh judgement make us better human beings in my _iew "
I like yourself have been in a similar position as well as in homeless hostels. Made some great friends there who I am still in touch with now. I am afraid you get the odd bad egg in any community yet for some reason homeless are all tarred with the same brush.
Yet you put a "normal" person who 1 day had a perfect life into a position where they do not have a home, any belongings etc and most would turn to drink, it is very very sad but true n then they are judged for it. So wrong |
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"Having worked with lifeline i now have many friends in the homeless community and often stop for a chat n a brew when in the city centre and i have to say the judgmental looks n nasty under breath remarks i get from some passers by for sitting a few moments ago with a "smack head piss artist" (comments i have heard far too many times) make me very sad and angry as there for the grace of god it could have been me if not for the help of lifeline during a dark time in my life. Homelessness is not a choice taken lightly and the back stories of many in the homeless community would make even the hardest heart weep so yes i stop for a chat i buy a sandwich and a brew, give a few ciggys and some change and yes i give of my time after all a random act of kindness to someone less fortunate rather than a harsh judgement make us better human beings in my _iew "
Good on you hunny xx
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"People who work with homeless charities ask you to donate to them and only ever offer food and drink to homeless people. Never money.
Our son did voluntary work with one last year.
There have been studies, one near us, that showed 9 out of 10 'homeless' people had homes to go.
As always they make it harder for those in genuine need.
Mr ddc"
Yes. It can be difficult to know. My mum tells a tale...she saw a pensioner buy a sandwich for an apparently homeless young woman who hangs around a local superstore asking for change. He gave her the food and she loudly complained that she did not like tuna!
If you are that hungry, you dont pick and choose. |
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To irony further...
History has shown what the country owes to a rough sleeper ( welshman) i think Who in death, his body was used byBritish intelligence as a rouse to help give the Nazi,s false info over D-day?? Landings.. I think.
He may of saved thousands of lives potentially.., |
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"To irony further...
History has shown what the country owes to a rough sleeper ( welshman) i think Who in death, his body was used byBritish intelligence as a rouse to help give the Nazi,s false info over D-day?? Landings.. I think.
He may of saved thousands of lives potentially..,"
Yeah the fact he died of pneumonia meant he could be passed off as having drowned |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential. "
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I knew it wouldnt be long before some clown would make an ill thought out right wing facist point. As we all know all the things we dont like in the uk are caused by migrants, asylum seekers and the EU so no idea why they feel a need to try and highjack every thread they can, boring
If you quote who you are referring to, it may help that person defend themselves.
Sometimes 'the Right' manage to get things right, and occasionally it is more beneficial than the hand-wringing the left often fall back on...
How many homes were built by Gordon Brown?"
Gordon wrote off huge amounts of local authority housing debt to allow a fresh start via registered social landlords.
Look around Glasgow and you'll see tower blocks/ mid rise being demolished and replaced by 3-4 storey blocks, terraced homes and even some (ok, a few) back and front door semis.
It CAN be done. |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation "
Not so much the cost, its all the not in my backyard brigade |
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"All other local authorities mainly London borough ones seems to send all their homeless people to live in Birmingham..using temporary accommodation in Birmingham then just "forgetting" about them, Birmingham has its own issues with homelessness without taking on the burden of other local authorities problems.."
London is sending people all over. Housing benefit doesn't come close to covering London rents so shifting the problem is the preferred option. It's incredibly short sighted |
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"Having worked with lifeline i now have many friends in the homeless community and often stop for a chat n a brew when in the city centre and i have to say the judgmental looks n nasty under breath remarks i get from some passers by for sitting a few moments with a "smack head piss artist" (comments i have heard far too many times) make me very sad and angry as there for the grace of god it could have been me if not for the help of lifeline during a dark time in my life. Homelessness is not a choice taken lightly and the back stories of many in the homeless community would make even the hardest heart weep so yes i stop for a chat i buy a sandwich and a brew, give a few ciggys and some change and yes i give of my time after all a random act of kindness to someone less fortunate rather than a harsh judgement make us better human beings in my _iew
I like yourself have been in a similar position as well as in homeless hostels. Made some great friends there who I am still in touch with now. I am afraid you get the odd bad egg in any community yet for some reason homeless are all tarred with the same brush.
Yet you put a "normal" person who 1 day had a perfect life into a position where they do not have a home, any belongings etc and most would turn to drink, it is very very sad but true n then they are judged for it. So wrong "
When you're trying to block out pain and anguish alcohol works wonders for a normal person that might be a heavy weekend then all good the next week when it's back to work.
When you've got nothing and no hope then it becomes every day and then it goes on so long it becomes almost unbearable to be sober and that's without the effects of withdrawl |
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"All other local authorities mainly London borough ones seems to send all their homeless people to live in Birmingham..using temporary accommodation in Birmingham then just "forgetting" about them, Birmingham has its own issues with homelessness without taking on the burden of other local authorities problems..
London is sending people all over. Housing benefit doesn't come close to covering London rents so shifting the problem is the preferred option. It's incredibly short sighted"
I wish I could share a conversation I had recently but I won't as too much personal information but London authorities are sneaky fuckers. |
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Back to the Seventies and squatting then. Thing is, homeless people who often have physical or mental health problems as well are unlikely to band together to protest and get anyone's attention. |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation "
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people. |
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"Having worked with lifeline i now have many friends in the homeless community and often stop for a chat n a brew when in the city centre and i have to say the judgmental looks n nasty under breath remarks i get from some passers by for sitting a few moments with a "smack head piss artist" (comments i have heard far too many times) make me very sad and angry as there for the grace of god it could have been me if not for the help of lifeline during a dark time in my life. Homelessness is not a choice taken lightly and the back stories of many in the homeless community would make even the hardest heart weep so yes i stop for a chat i buy a sandwich and a brew, give a few ciggys and some change and yes i give of my time after all a random act of kindness to someone less fortunate rather than a harsh judgement make us better human beings in my _iew
I like yourself have been in a similar position as well as in homeless hostels. Made some great friends there who I am still in touch with now. I am afraid you get the odd bad egg in any community yet for some reason homeless are all tarred with the same brush.
Yet you put a "normal" person who 1 day had a perfect life into a position where they do not have a home, any belongings etc and most would turn to drink, it is very very sad but true n then they are judged for it. So wrong
When you're trying to block out pain and anguish alcohol works wonders for a normal person that might be a heavy weekend then all good the next week when it's back to work.
When you've got nothing and no hope then it becomes every day and then it goes on so long it becomes almost unbearable to be sober and that's without the effects of withdrawl"
^ this.
Essentially:
* There's not enough affordable housing
* People find themselves in a variety of situations they didn't choose for a variety of reasons
* Statutory services are completely fucked through lack of funding
* If you genuinely want to help someone on the streets, set up a direct debit to an organisation that works directly with street homeless. |
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A few people have made reference to converting empty buildings for homeless people. The problem is not necessarily accommodation, but mental health support as well.
All of the mental health support that has been withdrawn over the past decades has pushed people with specific needs out on to the streets, with very little ability to fend for themselves or get work and support themselves.
If you convert an office block and put 100's of unsupervised people in it with addictions, mental and physical health problem, then it would be chaotic and potentially dangerous.
We need proper social care for the ones who are in need and meaningful work or occupation for those who want it, then the rest will be living like they do out of choice!? |
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over a year ago
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people."
What about the extra costs and risks that come with NOT housing homeless people? |
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Sometimes 'the Right' manage to get things right, and occasionally it is more beneficial than the hand-wringing the left often fall back on...
How many homes were built by Gordon Brown?
Gordon wrote off huge amounts of local authority housing debt to allow a fresh start via registered social landlords.
Look around Glasgow and you'll see tower blocks/ mid rise being demolished and replaced by 3-4 storey blocks, terraced homes and even some (ok, a few) back and front door semis.
It CAN be done."
It can Onny, but then Glasgow is blessed with the proper, 'roll up your sleeves and get stuck in' type of socialism. Not the 'sit back and blame everyone else' type that gets my goat.
Derbyshire Dales won an award recently for the amount of affordable housing they built, and mostly the one-bed flats we are desperate for. So sometimes the Tories, working with the private sector, can get it right too.
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people.
What about the extra costs and risks that come with NOT housing homeless people?"
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people."
Who said about converting it for homeless people? Affordable housing and social housing. Prevention not cure |
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^ yeah but it's short-termism.
I remember taking a young, HIV+ woman with a range of support needs to Lambeth Homeless Person's Unit.
They'd house her surely?
Wrong!
They fought it all the way, ducked and dived and when I finally squeezed them in to a corner their attitude was, well, we saved a week's costs of B&B.
THIS is the reality. |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people.
What about the extra costs and risks that come with NOT housing homeless people?"
They're generally lower? |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it.
Where we live there is an empty office block in a prime location that could easily be converted in to flats. It's been empty for the 4 years I've lived here and I suspect a lot longer tvan that but is still advertising office space to let.
It's not even that we need new builds, we need to look at empty buildings and what use they serve
Would cost a fortune to convert it to meet residential standards and then you'd have difficulty getting it's planning permission changed to be residential.
And new builds don't cost a fortune?
And cost isn't an issue whem developers convert non residential buildings ate converted to luxury accommodation
Not quite as much a large modern building designed for commercial use is quite different standards wise from residential stuff.
cost is so much of an issue when you can turn a building into 50 200,000 pound apartments.
Rather than 50 housing benefit rentals with all the extra costs and risks that come with housing homeless people.
Who said about converting it for homeless people? Affordable housing and social housing. Prevention not cure"
They would be in very desirable locations and so would quickly become unaffordable.
As people tend to get annoyed paying for someone to live for free in a place they themselves couldn't possibly hope to afford. |
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theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing . |
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"OP, your very correct in the fact you may just be one pay packet away from this situation yourself. I have previously been homeless as well as done a lot of work in this field and trust me the true facts are staggering.
But you go to your local council and ask them how many homeless people there are in your area and they will say ohh only 2/3.
I recall a study in a large city recently to find out how many homeless people there was, to actually qualify for homeless you had to be asleep in a shop doorway at 5pm. Ridiculous I know but that's what happens. Secondly, to register as a homeless person in an area you need to have a local connection, then the LA have a duty of care to you, but 9/10 times all that happens is they then move you to a BnB in a totally different area. The reason for this is simple, again it improves the statistics for there area.
Do not even get me started on Food Banks, myself and my ex set up and ran one from home, purely with the aim to help ANYONE regardless of the situation as everyone has a right to eat. Yeah you get one or two piss takers, but I could shock you all with the states some people are living in."
Bloody hell.... this makes me really agree reading this.., though i,m not all that surpised.
Thanks for taken the time to enlighten us... |
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"To reiterate:-
There's not enough affordable or social housing in the country.
Bottom line.
And mental health/addiction provision. That's a big part of it too.
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'Prevention is better than cure'
But the state of services - mental health, homelessness or otherwise - is that only the hardest, toughest cases make the grade.
It ends up costing more to society, the individual and the public purse in the long run because we can't shell out for help before things get that bad.
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"To irony further...
History has shown what the country owes to a rough sleeper ( welshman) i think Who in death, his body was used byBritish intelligence as a rouse to help give the Nazi,s false info over D-day?? Landings.. I think.
He may of saved thousands of lives potentially..,
Yeah the fact he died of pneumonia meant he could be passed off as having drowned"
thats it thats the fella.... Not sure of his name.... Love to know whether there is a memorial to him somewhere.. |
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"To irony further...
History has shown what the country owes to a rough sleeper ( welshman) i think Who in death, his body was used byBritish intelligence as a rouse to help give the Nazi,s false info over D-day?? Landings.. I think.
He may of saved thousands of lives potentially..,
Yeah the fact he died of pneumonia meant he could be passed off as having drowned thats it thats the fella.... Not sure of his name.... Love to know whether there is a memorial to him somewhere.."
Google 'Operation Mincemeat' |
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"A few people have made reference to converting empty buildings for homeless people. The problem is not necessarily accommodation, but mental health support as well.
All of the mental health support that has been withdrawn over the past decades has pushed people with specific needs out on to the streets, with very little ability to fend for themselves or get work and support themselves.
If you convert an office block and put 100's of unsupervised people in it with addictions, mental and physical health problem, then it would be chaotic and potentially dangerous.
We need proper social care for the ones who are in need and meaningful work or occupation for those who want it, then the rest will be living like they do out of choice!? "
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"theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing ."
everyone is entitled to _iew opinion ,though i think that was a bit harsh..... i do feel if only it were that simple..
Even labourers these days need safety site certificates.. and only sourced from agencies..
How to apply for agency work..... Yes you,ve guessed it you need a permanent address and bank account.
Not to mention Labouring is a undervalued crucial, tough work. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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What about the extra costs and risks that come with NOT housing homeless people?
They're generally lower?"
Not if you include the additional costs of homelessness - ill health, crime, lost taxation and so on. |
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What about the extra costs and risks that come with NOT housing homeless people?
They're generally lower?
Not if you include the additional costs of homelessness - ill health, crime, lost taxation and so on."
But those costs aren't laid on developers.
One issue with "social housing" though is the state it quickly ends up in. That's why developers of new estates would rather pay the millions to avoid having to designate so many houses as social housing in the development as it drags the price of the whole place down (also you'll notice the social houses are filled right at the end once all the houses for sale are sold so as not to put buyers off)
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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago
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"Back to the Seventies and squatting then. Thing is, homeless people who often have physical or mental health problems as well are unlikely to band together to protest and get anyone's attention."
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"theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing . everyone is entitled to _iew opinion ,though i think that was a bit harsh..... i do feel if only it were that simple..
Even labourers these days need safety site certificates.. and only sourced from agencies..
How to apply for agency work..... Yes you,ve guessed it you need a permanent address and bank account.
Not to mention Labouring is a undervalued crucial, tough work."
yes i realise its not always straight forward tho he could have got some cash in hand work if he'd followed it up . |
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"theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing . everyone is entitled to _iew opinion ,though i think that was a bit harsh..... i do feel if only it were that simple..
Even labourers these days need safety site certificates.. and only sourced from agencies..
How to apply for agency work..... Yes you,ve guessed it you need a permanent address and bank account.
Not to mention Labouring is a undervalued crucial, tough work.
yes i realise its not always straight forward tho he could have got some cash in hand work if he'd followed it up ."
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"I wonder if its the weather... basically if they don't have to pay for the shelter then they won't, I expect when it cools it will decrease again."
Some are so entrenched with rough sleeping that they can't sustain a tenancy some prefer living on the streets than having their own accommodation. |
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Homlessness is a topic which really winds me up. We have too many people living on the streets through no fault of their own, we also have too many buildings sitting empty in perfectly good condition but doing nothing. Why not utilise the empty buildings we have and house people. Its really sad that we still go buy the rule of to have a home you have to pay for it, we are ALL equal no matter what the pay check and we ALL deserve to have a place we can call home. |
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"sadly it is only going to get worse on our overcrowded island... to many people not enough affordable housing... do not know the answer but know it tugs at the heartstrings especially on a freezing cold winters night.
Our island isn't overcrowded. Not enough affordable housing agreed but there's no shortage of space to put it. It's just that every time a location in suggested, the nimbys charge out from their castles to stop it."
I can't remembered the figure, but the actual percentage of our island that is built on is not high at all. Not that I want all the countryside built on, but there are empty properties and brownfield sites aplenty to start with.
It will only get worse, as they are talking about cutting housing benefit for under 25's. Then Universal Credit will come in and unless managed correctly, the vulnerable may use their money for other things not rent and end up homeless. Under 25's will struggle to get rented housing then - privately or otherwise because of the associated risk.
Then the governments right to buy policy - if it comes in - the new legislation which they touted to get votes -giving the same right to buy benefits to right to acquire tenants. It may not happen but if it does -That's more affordable housing gone. That can't be funded easily - the councils selling off their assets won't fund it all. So will the Housing Associations end up doing affordable rents which are higher than normal social housing rents. And it goes on. That policy is going to cost us billions - much more than the welfare cuts they are doing. It's completely ludicrous! |
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"Homlessness is a topic which really winds me up. We have too many people living on the streets through no fault of their own, we also have too many buildings sitting empty in perfectly good condition but doing nothing. Why not utilise the empty buildings we have and house people. Its really sad that we still go buy the rule of to have a home you have to pay for it, we are ALL equal no matter what the pay check and we ALL deserve to have a place we can call home."
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I've always had real difficulty with this whole issue... how to help... how to give them a lift. I have no problem with giving a homeless person money and them going and getting d*unk on it. I'd probably do the same if it was me. But I'm always confused about what the best course of action really is.
Once, when I was back packing through a deprived part of China I walked past a woman crying in the dirt by the roadside with her dirty toddler. I tried walking on but realised I simply couldn't. I tried to think about what I could do and realised there really was only one thing... give her all the cash I had on me. I tried presenting it to her and she flipped into a rage, shouting at me basically to fuck off. I think she thought I was trying to buy sex or perhaps her child or something horrible. The whole thing made me feel dirty afterwards. But really... I applaude her sense of dignity... plus I don't really know anything about what was really going on... she may just have lost a loved one or something and I misconstrued the whole situation.
One of my life goals is to be part of the solution rather than the problem. I just haven't quite figured out what that is yet.
It should be mandatory for everyone in the west to spend at least a few days travelling through a deprived third world country... just so you know what real poverty is... and also so you know who's making your clothing, consumer products, and elitist lifestyle remotely affordable. |
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don't see so many in the summer in my local town. offered one guy a sandwich at lunchtime, and he said oh no thanks, I already ate today, someone gave me a breakfast.. I bought him the sandwich anyway, for his honesty. |
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I will always buy a copy of The Big Issue but rarely give to those just begging as I've been told its better not to.
But when they ask, I always say sorry I don't have any change. They're always polite & say Have a nice day to which I reply saying You too.
Except once, one said Have a safe journey home & I, without thinking, said straight away, You too.
It wasn't said with any malice but I did feel bad  |
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"I hate how judgemental some people are towards homeless people. So many reasons why people are on the streets yet the same stigmas remain. People can be so nasty."
It's ignorance. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"........ So will the Housing Associations end up doing affordable rents which are higher than normal social housing rents. And it goes on. That policy is going to cost us billions - much more than the welfare cuts they are doing. It's completely ludicrous! "
Housing Associations are already being pushed towards a proportion of each development being designated for 'mid-market' rent (somewhere between 'social' and 'mainstream') and yet another tranche set aside for shared ownership.
The argument used is that it's supposed to encouraged mixed tenure in an area but in reality it's a money making scheme which appeared just around the time Governments became keen as mustard on the Council Tax freeze and reductions in Housing Action Grant (the local authority share of the cost of new social housing development). |
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"theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing . everyone is entitled to _iew opinion ,though i think that was a bit harsh..... i do feel if only it were that simple..
Even labourers these days need safety site certificates.. and only sourced from agencies..
How to apply for agency work..... Yes you,ve guessed it you need a permanent address and bank account.
Not to mention Labouring is a undervalued crucial, tough work.
yes i realise its not always straight forward tho he could have got some cash in hand work if he'd followed it up ."
when youve slept in a park for a week go and do a 12 hour day labouring for £50 and see if thats a good suggestion |
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"theres loads in bournemouth and so many seem to be street drinkers to .. guess you may as well be homeless somewhere nice ..one asked me for money the other day .i told him the place where i work were looking for labourers but it didnt follow it up ....guess a lot want something for nothing . everyone is entitled to _iew opinion ,though i think that was a bit harsh..... i do feel if only it were that simple..
Even labourers these days need safety site certificates.. and only sourced from agencies..
How to apply for agency work..... Yes you,ve guessed it you need a permanent address and bank account.
Not to mention Labouring is a undervalued crucial, tough work.
yes i realise its not always straight forward tho he could have got some cash in hand work if he'd followed it up .
when youve slept in a park for a week go and do a 12 hour day labouring for £50 and see if thats a good suggestion "
who gets £50 for a 12 hour day ?
..anyway £50 would have got him a ticket home , which was the reason he wanted some money from me in the first place and he'd only have had to do it for a day ..and then he could have gone back to where he wanted to go . |
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"Our island isn't overcrowded.
I can't remembered the figure, but the actual percentage of our island that is built on is not high at all."
Approx 12% of the UK is built on, in terms of settlements, houses and roads/infrastructure.
We have relatively high population density in the south east.
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But go live in Gaza and then come back and tell em about what it's like to live, piled on top of each other like rats in a box... |
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"More should be done to help them off the streets into housing and jobs but unfortunately we are a throw away culture and that sadly includes humans as well
So true. We can all try and do our bit though ie volunteering for charities. Things are unfortunately going to get worse for the most vulnerable in society under this shower in government.
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Volunteering for charities maybe
playing right into the tory governments hands,it is their policies that create the situation and the more you volunteer the less funding such organisations wiil receive. |
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"Not sure whats happening in other towns/ cities...number of rough sleepers seem to be increasing.
I like many others find it upsetting.. and all to acutely aware myself possibly only a pay packet away or twist of fate away from same situ.
More disturbing is the number of females you
See..... I,m all for equal rights and equality but feel this is a bit far.
Few nights back i stopped and gave change to one and chatted for a while...
Could,nt get passed the concious thought was i doing it out of genuine concern ,, sympathy or reassurance and was i sounding self rightous ..
Saw a female in a door way a little further down street , said hello gave change.....
BUT..!! did not wish to chat.... Not that i did,nt want to just did,nt want perception from revellars passing by thinking " yeah, you know what he,s after' or even thinking seeing me do so that she may be fare game...
Very hard and upsetting... "
Why so upset at seeing more female homeless? Ever heard of sexual equality? Females have the same right to homelessness as males and as there are more females than males therefore there should be more females homeless than males...
But don't worry, if the budget leaks are correct you will be seeing many more homeless (male and female) in the near future...
Welcome to the Tory vision for twenty-first century all in it together Britten...
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Sad state of affairs, so many empty homes too, we should be way past all this now, homelessness has been around for centuries like this, we've learned nothing, I really do feel that governments like homeless people as a reminder to us all to stop moaning at what they do, things could be worse syndrome, if there weren't so many greedy selfish people out there, they could all be given a home, but the " greed is good" bug is rife. Poor souls haven't much chance, be kind and respectful to them. |
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"Sad state of affairs, so many empty homes too, we should be way past all this now, homelessness has been around for centuries like this, we've learned nothing, I really do feel that governments like homeless people as a reminder to us all to stop moaning at what they do, things could be worse syndrome, if there weren't so many greedy selfish people out there, they could all be given a home, but the " greed is good" bug is rife. Poor souls haven't much chance, be kind and respectful to them."
I think you'll find that there's more than enough wealth for everyone to enjoy decent housing, sanitation, food on the table and clothes on their back, plus education FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.
For some strange reason this never quite seems to pan out... |
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"Sad state of affairs, so many empty homes too, we should be way past all this now, homelessness has been around for centuries like this, we've learned nothing, I really do feel that governments like homeless people as a reminder to us all to stop moaning at what they do, things could be worse syndrome, if there weren't so many greedy selfish people out there, they could all be given a home, but the " greed is good" bug is rife. Poor souls haven't much chance, be kind and respectful to them."
and if you're one of the 'hidden homeless' with a child in tow, things can be doubly worse. I'm convinced some of the staff in these places are trained then employed to wear people down even further.
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I agree, they don't want people in need, they do what they have to and hope the rest never come back, interesting film in the sixties by Ken Loach, called 'Cathy come home@, still relevant in 2015, madness. |
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That's what I mean, I think there was a misunderstanding there mate, I'm speaking of people with loads of money and looking for things to spend it on, instead of helping others when they already have their needs taken care of, if enough people did that we could solve so many problems. |
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