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Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents"Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. ". True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million! Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!. That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once | |||
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"Was this to do with the company applying for a license for fracking? It's been well documented in the States that there are huge ecological problems, to the extent it's been stopped for further investigation. I think a lot more research needs to be carried out into the impact of fracking ecologically, environmentally etc. "  | |||
"It will be appealed and overturned..... Thankfully because getting our oil from Middle East and gas from Russia is not an option I'm looking forward to!" . If it's overturned and it may be, that won't be the end for the people who live there who in the vast majority don't want it!. This myth of fracking independence is just that an utter myth, you'll still be buying gas from Russia and oil from the middle East. They have the ability to produce for a tenth of fracking costs... Like right now most oil frackers in the states are going bankrupt owing billions because they can't even get it out of the ground for 50 bucks a barrel unlike the Saudis who can do it for 3 bucks a barrel | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once"This isn't about 'sensible' councillors, except in the self preservation sense. It's about a small number of councillors worried they'll be replaced at the next election by voters whose main concern is the price of their home. | |||
"........... This isn't about 'sensible' councillors, except in the self preservation sense. It's about a small number of councillors worried they'll be replaced at the next election by voters whose main concern is the price of their home." Ain't that the truth. No backbone. | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once"Clearly someone who has gained their knowledge from the Internet. You really should try to get your arguments documented from reputable sources. Contamination of groundwater? Most of the UK population don't get their water from groundwater. In the US independent studies have shown very little evidence of water contamination. It's a laugh when you say trucks fill up your roads. You're likely to see a few a day. Subsidence is also highly unlikely. You do realise that they pump mud and water into where the gas has come from. And while this may have been the cause of small tremors due to slippage no recorded damage to property has been registered. How do I know a lot more than this let's just say I have a geologist in the family. Believe what you like however please do us all a favour and turn off your computer and start eating salad as you clearly don't want the UK to be able to sustain it's own power and gas needs. | |||
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"*typed a bit too quick" Again there's very little proof. The UK are also a lot more stringent about what you can use. While I agree that we need to treat the ecology correctly we also have a burgeoning population with greater demand for power. We have to have a balance. It's laughable that so many people drive to the demonstrations to stop fracking. What's really causing the damage? | |||
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"Oh and your statement that they've suspended fracking in the US is laughable. Why has crude etc fallen so much in price? Partly because fracking has meant that the US has become less dependent on OPEC. Ergo the Saudis are trying to push the price down by increasing production in an attempt to drive the frackers out of business. While it may be true that some oil and gas held in shale is currently too expensive to extract that could change in the future. " My understanding was that fracking had been suspended. However what I failed to include was that it wasn't country wide. There have been reports of damage to the water supplies, rivers etc which they are investigating. In Scotland our water does come from rivers, the mountains, into reservoirs so there is a possible effect of our ecology. Laughable or not, I repeat my assertion that further investigations need to be done in order to answer the questions that have arisen as a direct result of fracking in the States. Hadn't mankind done enough damage to the planet already? | |||
" My understanding was that fracking had been suspended. However what I failed to include was that it wasn't country wide. There have been reports of damage to the water supplies, rivers etc which they are investigating. In Scotland our water does come from rivers, the mountains, into reservoirs so there is a possible effect of our ecology. Laughable or not, I repeat my assertion that further investigations need to be done in order to answer the questions that have arisen as a direct result of fracking in the States. Hadn't mankind done enough damage to the planet already? " I couldn't agree more, I just think that people just listen to one side of the argument without taking into account all of the information. I don't want to see the planet fucked over but like I said it's about balance. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once"I am very happy for them to drill in my backyard. With the compensation i will buy a house somewhere else where they do not frack. I am a nimby! I objected successfully to yet another bloody mobile phone mast being erected near my house because i get a good signal with my provider. The councillors were not "sensible" they simply did not want to be controversial and lose their seat. The professional planners know what they were doing far better than the councillors but politics rejected their recommendation. But that is democracy my friends!  | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
Clearly someone who has gained their knowledge from the Internet.
You really should try to get your arguments documented from reputable sources. Contamination of groundwater? Most of the UK population don't get their water from groundwater. In the US independent studies have shown very little evidence of water contamination.
It's a laugh when you say trucks fill up your roads. You're likely to see a few a day.
Subsidence is also highly unlikely. You do realise that they pump mud and water into where the gas has come from. And while this may have been the cause of small tremors due to slippage no recorded damage to property has been registered.
How do I know a lot more than this let's just say I have a geologist in the family.
Believe what you like however please do us all a favour and turn off your computer and start eating salad as you clearly don't want the UK to be able to sustain it's own power and gas needs. "We don't get our water from underground sources? Have you spoken to mineral water companies or most large breweries? Because they depend on it. | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents""Democracy at work" is a funny concept though. It's funny how it only works one way sometimes. Had the councillors voted the other way it would spell violent protests, civil disobedience, vandalism and intimidation. All totally justified despite a democratic decision... 
Mr ddc | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
Clearly someone who has gained their knowledge from the Internet.
You really should try to get your arguments documented from reputable sources. Contamination of groundwater? Most of the UK population don't get their water from groundwater. In the US independent studies have shown very little evidence of water contamination.
It's a laugh when you say trucks fill up your roads. You're likely to see a few a day.
Subsidence is also highly unlikely. You do realise that they pump mud and water into where the gas has come from. And while this may have been the cause of small tremors due to slippage no recorded damage to property has been registered.
How do I know a lot more than this let's just say I have a geologist in the family.
Believe what you like however please do us all a favour and turn off your computer and start eating salad as you clearly don't want the UK to be able to sustain it's own power and gas needs. ". The internment hey!  .
Firstly I've been campaigning on fracking for 7 years!.
Let's get to the facts.
We don't get our water from ground water lol... Omg,I suggest you get your geologist back to university!
The fracking companies spend millions on "independent analysis" the governing bodies spend about 10k ... The frackers themselves admit that 1 in 45 well linings will fail, they just claim that hardly any pollution is caused by the well failure!.
Apart from toluene, benzine radioactive gases and elements are by-products of what your drilling and they all flow up with the gas/oil so they could contaminate, you've then got the over a thousand chemicals that the frackers add with the sand and water, that they won't even tell you what they are (proprietary company knowledge they claim)!
In the untied states all fracking sites are exempt from the clean air and water act, an act designed to give you err clean air and water, exactly why do you think there exempt from that bit of law!.
OK trucks... Two a day you say mmm
Well if the well is being serviced by two fucking trucks a day... I hardly think it's going to be saving the UK from outside gas.
I mean two trucks of gas a day.. We import 2.4 billion cubic metres of gas a year!.. That's a lot of trucks if you want to end our reliance on imports!
So let's think about these two trucks you claim are used a day!.
The average frack uses 4 million gallons of water, this water is highly contaminated once used!.
The average milk tanker holds what 5000 gallons? 4 million divided by 5000 equals 2 does it... Your maths is worse than mine!
Now let's get down to nitty gritty
The average frack well according to the frackers losses 80% of its original daily supply after one year, so if your getting 1000 cubic metres of gas a day after one year your down to 200 cubic metres a day, worse still they lose 25% of their quoted supply after only 2 months... So you have to drill drill drill with fracking, if you don't believe me just have a look at any fracking site on Google earth in Australia or the states, you'll see there's lots and lots and lots of baron old drill sites! Every time you drill you need more water and more trucks!... It's why fracking costs loads, on average fracked oil is 80-100 dollars a barrel to produce! The harder older sites jump to 150-200 dollars a barrel to produce, do you really really want a great supply of oil that costs that much when Saudi Arabia can produce and smash you into the ground with 3-5 dollar a barrel oil!
On another note you really have to know your shit when listening to oil companies because they exaggerate the truth to put it mildly, for instance you'll see wild claims by them off "enough gas in Lancashire to run the UK for a hundred years!".
They said the exact same in America about the Monterey basin.
They claimed 15 billion barrels of oil, the truth after getting the go ahead 600 million a 96% reduction, in fact the top three massive finds in the us were reduced by 80% to 98% of stated claimed reserves, so when they say there's enough oil under heathrow for the UK to be energy independent for a hundred years!! Trust me everybody who knows anything about fracking including the dozens of geologist I've talked to over the 7 years I've done it piss themselves laughing at the ridiculous stupid bollocks of those statements!.
It's a bit like a chap on the internet telling me they put "mud and water" in the gaps where the gas comes from... He knows because his friend is a geologist  | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
"Democracy at work" is a funny concept though.
It's funny how it only works one way sometimes. Had the councillors voted the other way it would spell violent protests, civil disobedience, vandalism and intimidation. All totally justified despite a democratic decision...
Mr ddc"Just as well they weren't UKIP councillors then. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
Clearly someone who has gained their knowledge from the Internet.
You really should try to get your arguments documented from reputable sources. Contamination of groundwater? Most of the UK population don't get their water from groundwater. In the US independent studies have shown very little evidence of water contamination.
It's a laugh when you say trucks fill up your roads. You're likely to see a few a day.
Subsidence is also highly unlikely. You do realise that they pump mud and water into where the gas has come from. And while this may have been the cause of small tremors due to slippage no recorded damage to property has been registered.
How do I know a lot more than this let's just say I have a geologist in the family.
Believe what you like however please do us all a favour and turn off your computer and start eating salad as you clearly don't want the UK to be able to sustain it's own power and gas needs. .
The internment hey! .
Firstly I've been campaigning on fracking for 7 years!.
Let's get to the facts.
We don't get our water from ground water lol... Omg,I suggest you get your geologist back to university!
The fracking companies spend millions on "independent analysis" the governing bodies spend about 10k ... The frackers themselves admit that 1 in 45 well linings will fail, they just claim that hardly any pollution is caused by the well failure!.
Apart from toluene, benzine radioactive gases and elements are by-products of what your drilling and they all flow up with the gas/oil so they could contaminate, you've then got the over a thousand chemicals that the frackers add with the sand and water, that they won't even tell you what they are (proprietary company knowledge they claim)!
In the untied states all fracking sites are exempt from the clean air and water act, an act designed to give you err clean air and water, exactly why do you think there exempt from that bit of law!.
OK trucks... Two a day you say mmm
Well if the well is being serviced by two fucking trucks a day... I hardly think it's going to be saving the UK from outside gas.
I mean two trucks of gas a day.. We import 2.4 billion cubic metres of gas a year!.. That's a lot of trucks if you want to end our reliance on imports!
So let's think about these two trucks you claim are used a day!.
The average frack uses 4 million gallons of water, this water is highly contaminated once used!.
The average milk tanker holds what 5000 gallons? 4 million divided by 5000 equals 2 does it... Your maths is worse than mine!
Now let's get down to nitty gritty
The average frack well according to the frackers losses 80% of its original daily supply after one year, so if your getting 1000 cubic metres of gas a day after one year your down to 200 cubic metres a day, worse still they lose 25% of their quoted supply after only 2 months... So you have to drill drill drill with fracking, if you don't believe me just have a look at any fracking site on Google earth in Australia or the states, you'll see there's lots and lots and lots of baron old drill sites! Every time you drill you need more water and more trucks!... It's why fracking costs loads, on average fracked oil is 80-100 dollars a barrel to produce! The harder older sites jump to 150-200 dollars a barrel to produce, do you really really want a great supply of oil that costs that much when Saudi Arabia can produce and smash you into the ground with 3-5 dollar a barrel oil!
On another note you really have to know your shit when listening to oil companies because they exaggerate the truth to put it mildly, for instance you'll see wild claims by them off "enough gas in Lancashire to run the UK for a hundred years!".
They said the exact same in America about the Monterey basin.
They claimed 15 billion barrels of oil, the truth after getting the go ahead 600 million a 96% reduction, in fact the top three massive finds in the us were reduced by 80% to 98% of stated claimed reserves, so when they say there's enough oil under heathrow for the UK to be energy independent for a hundred years!! Trust me everybody who knows anything about fracking including the dozens of geologist I've talked to over the 7 years I've done it piss themselves laughing at the ridiculous stupid bollocks of those statements!.
It's a bit like a chap on the internet telling me they put "mud and water" in the gaps where the gas comes from... He knows because his friend is a geologist "And breathe | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
Clearly someone who has gained their knowledge from the Internet.
You really should try to get your arguments documented from reputable sources. Contamination of groundwater? Most of the UK population don't get their water from groundwater. In the US independent studies have shown very little evidence of water contamination.
It's a laugh when you say trucks fill up your roads. You're likely to see a few a day.
Subsidence is also highly unlikely. You do realise that they pump mud and water into where the gas has come from. And while this may have been the cause of small tremors due to slippage no recorded damage to property has been registered.
How do I know a lot more than this let's just say I have a geologist in the family.
Believe what you like however please do us all a favour and turn off your computer and start eating salad as you clearly don't want the UK to be able to sustain it's own power and gas needs. .
The internment hey! .
Firstly I've been campaigning on fracking for 7 years!.
Let's get to the facts.
We don't get our water from ground water lol... Omg,I suggest you get your geologist back to university!
The fracking companies spend millions on "independent analysis" the governing bodies spend about 10k ... The frackers themselves admit that 1 in 45 well linings will fail, they just claim that hardly any pollution is caused by the well failure!.
Apart from toluene, benzine radioactive gases and elements are by-products of what your drilling and they all flow up with the gas/oil so they could contaminate, you've then got the over a thousand chemicals that the frackers add with the sand and water, that they won't even tell you what they are (proprietary company knowledge they claim)!
In the untied states all fracking sites are exempt from the clean air and water act, an act designed to give you err clean air and water, exactly why do you think there exempt from that bit of law!.
OK trucks... Two a day you say mmm
Well if the well is being serviced by two fucking trucks a day... I hardly think it's going to be saving the UK from outside gas.
I mean two trucks of gas a day.. We import 2.4 billion cubic metres of gas a year!.. That's a lot of trucks if you want to end our reliance on imports!
So let's think about these two trucks you claim are used a day!.
The average frack uses 4 million gallons of water, this water is highly contaminated once used!.
The average milk tanker holds what 5000 gallons? 4 million divided by 5000 equals 2 does it... Your maths is worse than mine!
Now let's get down to nitty gritty
The average frack well according to the frackers losses 80% of its original daily supply after one year, so if your getting 1000 cubic metres of gas a day after one year your down to 200 cubic metres a day, worse still they lose 25% of their quoted supply after only 2 months... So you have to drill drill drill with fracking, if you don't believe me just have a look at any fracking site on Google earth in Australia or the states, you'll see there's lots and lots and lots of baron old drill sites! Every time you drill you need more water and more trucks!... It's why fracking costs loads, on average fracked oil is 80-100 dollars a barrel to produce! The harder older sites jump to 150-200 dollars a barrel to produce, do you really really want a great supply of oil that costs that much when Saudi Arabia can produce and smash you into the ground with 3-5 dollar a barrel oil!
On another note you really have to know your shit when listening to oil companies because they exaggerate the truth to put it mildly, for instance you'll see wild claims by them off "enough gas in Lancashire to run the UK for a hundred years!".
They said the exact same in America about the Monterey basin.
They claimed 15 billion barrels of oil, the truth after getting the go ahead 600 million a 96% reduction, in fact the top three massive finds in the us were reduced by 80% to 98% of stated claimed reserves, so when they say there's enough oil under heathrow for the UK to be energy independent for a hundred years!! Trust me everybody who knows anything about fracking including the dozens of geologist I've talked to over the 7 years I've done it piss themselves laughing at the ridiculous stupid bollocks of those statements!.
It's a bit like a chap on the internet telling me they put "mud and water" in the gaps where the gas comes from... He knows because his friend is a geologist "Have you any views on exterminating cows? The bovine kind. They exude a fair amount of methane/noxious emissions. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
I am very happy for them to drill in my backyard. With the compensation i will buy a house somewhere else where they do not frack.
I am a nimby! I objected successfully to yet another bloody mobile phone mast being erected near my house because i get a good signal with my provider.
The councillors were not "sensible" they simply did not want to be controversial and lose their seat. The professional planners know what they were doing far better than the councillors but politics rejected their recommendation. But that is democracy my friends! ". 1 your not actually entitled to any compensation whatsoever! You can bankrupt yourself and take a civil claim through the courts which the oil companies will drag out for years until you die! 2 in the UK you own 32 inches of top soil, all mineral rights belong to the treasury. 3 do people really honestly think these companies are nice.. ffs has nobody even watched the film Erin brokowitch?... You know that case is real don't yer! 4 these councillors did what they were put in to do.... Listen to their residents who do not want their locality ruined by fracking!. | |||
"It will be appealed and overturned..... Thankfully because getting our oil from Middle East and gas from Russia is not an option I'm looking forward to!. If it's overturned and it may be, that won't be the end for the people who live there who in the vast majority don't want it!. I totally agree with you Sexy Bum could not put it into better worcs as I've been to the pub on a school night ! ,,, won at pool though
This myth of fracking independence is just that an utter myth, you'll still be buying gas from Russia and oil from the middle East.
They have the ability to produce for a tenth of fracking costs... Like right now most oil frackers in the states are going bankrupt owing billions because they can't even get it out of the ground for 50 bucks a barrel unlike the Saudis who can do it for 3 bucks a barrel" | |||
"But that is democracy my friends! .
1 your not actually entitled to any compensation whatsoever! You can bankrupt yourself and take a civil claim through the courts which the oil companies will drag out for years until you die!
2 in the UK you own 32 inches of top soil, all mineral rights belong to the treasury.
3 do people really honestly think these companies are nice.. ffs has nobody even watched the film Erin brokowitch?... You know that case is real don't yer!
4 these councillors did what they were put in to do.... Listen to their residents who do not want their locality ruined by fracking!.
"1. To get this done Quadrilla will pay compensation; have no fear. 2. True. Mining in Wales has always shown that. 3. Who is saying they are "nice"; Poor deluded fools. The EB case was polution of surface water pools by a production company. Not really the same.
4. Yes, they reflect the local residents view. The same way they turn down housing planning permission because the local residents "like to see the field of rape seed flowers" and not some housing estate. The homeless can live elsewhere! | |||
"c 2 in the UK you own 32 inches of top soil, all mineral rights belong to the " Okay, which twat has nicked 29" of my topsoil? | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. "Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
This isn't about 'sensible' councillors, except in the self preservation sense.
It's about a small number of councillors worried they'll be replaced at the next election by voters whose main concern is the price of their home."In other words, democracy in action then? Unless someone thinks that councillors or politicians ever have anything other than self preservation in mind, that is?????? | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker! "The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work. Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! ". That actually happens only in your mind! | |||
"In other words fuck everyone else in the world who produces anything that contaminates the environment of the plant if oil wells in Saudi contaminate their locality it does not matter we do live there. As long as my little plot is safe the rest of the world does not matter. If you want benefit from using products of the modern world you must be prepared to accept the pollution that may occur in production and not expect others to live with the pollution so you can avoid it. " . Well I was talking about fracking at a personal local level, as an environmentalist myself, I use as little products and fossil fuels as possible. If you want to get off the reliance on outside energy supplies the best way is to change your usage not get as bad as Saudi Arabia. The possibility of finding enough oil and gas for self reliance for say the next 30 years in this country is unbelievably small! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!"Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics. ". I offer the fact that the vast majority of people work in small firms(lots of small firms), then there's a large amount of self employed and a great deal of people who work for the government. So none of these people are actually employed by the "few". The vast majority of total tax revenue is collected from the majority so again the " few" aren't paying for the majority. As for the "few" who provide us with fuel!!. Yeah your bang on, there's about 40 people worldwide that control 80% of the resources.... In business that's called a monopoly. I believe it was the capitalists hero Adam smith that said put 6 business men in a room together and you'll get collusion!! | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics. .
I offer the fact that the vast majority of people work in small firms(lots of small firms), then there's a large amount of self employed and a great deal of people who work for the government.
So none of these people are actually employed by the "few".
The vast majority of total tax revenue is collected from the majority so again the " few" aren't paying for the majority.
As for the "few" who provide us with fuel!!.
Yeah your bang on, there's about 40 people worldwide that control 80% of the resources.... In business that's called a monopoly.
I believe it was the capitalists hero Adam smith that said put 6 business men in a room together and you'll get collusion!!"Small firms earn money from bigger firms and from the government. The key point is we need all business to thrive so we can afford our welfare state. If Nimbies always stop them then the country will go down hill. What do you propose? Communism? The fracking decision should be based on facts not Nimby. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics. .
I offer the fact that the vast majority of people work in small firms(lots of small firms), then there's a large amount of self employed and a great deal of people who work for the government.
So none of these people are actually employed by the "few".
The vast majority of total tax revenue is collected from the majority so again the " few" aren't paying for the majority.
As for the "few" who provide us with fuel!!.
Yeah your bang on, there's about 40 people worldwide that control 80% of the resources.... In business that's called a monopoly.
I believe it was the capitalists hero Adam smith that said put 6 business men in a room together and you'll get collusion!!
Small firms earn money from bigger firms and from the government. The key point is we need all business to thrive so we can afford our welfare state. If Nimbies always stop them then the country will go down hill.
What do you propose? Communism?
The fracking decision should be based on facts not Nimby. ".Lol your jumping about from capitalism to communism... Let's just stick with the facts Fracking won't reduce costs because the price is fixed by the big suppliers, ie Saudi we've seen that in the last five years!. It's not proven safe, in fact in France they had a ban on their own state firm total from fracking in France until total could prove it safe(unlike us were volunteers and protesters have to prove it unsafe). Total have put 8 cases before French courts and have yet to prove to the court, it's a safe practise!. There are plenty of firms who would like to employ people with a more sustainable energy, you just have to encourage them instead of punishing them while making it really easy for the frackers! | |||
"We don't get our water from ground water lol... Omg,I suggest you get your geologist back to university We do get a large amount of our water during the summer months and dry periods of winter from groundwater there are various boreholes around the thames water and wessex water regions that i know of and other water companies will do this as well. they even have test boreholes to check levels and water quality before its pumped into the reservoirs before treatment and its been done for years i work in utilities and we even have to find out if there are any aquifers located in fields before we start digging in case of cross contamimation which may occur" And if you want beer that's drinkable, don't poison it irreprebleby by cracking. All our major breweries use boreholes, and a lot of industries whose products have direct contact with food. Once the poison is in the ground its not coming out, except in your water. The risks are far too high. | |||
" It will be appealed and overturned..... " " If it's overturned and it may be, that won't be the end for the people who live there who in the vast majority don't want it!. " Just like the governments decision that the Northwest of England needed water was less important than the views of the people of Capel Celyn? History would suggest theirs is an ex village  | |||
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"Anything that moves us away from fossil fuels is good news." Here here!! I am all for nuclear power as well. | |||
"Anything that moves us away from fossil fuels is good news. Here here!! I am all for nuclear power as well. "Nuclear power (fission) should be kept at its current level and current sites for security reasons only, either using current technology or replaced with new, but not to be expended much beyond that in terms of stations. Better that stuff is accounted for and doing something rather than dumped down some abandoned coal mine for any passing terrorist to get their hands on. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! "Let me find a bucket! The North sea oil that belonged to the British people, the north sea oil that was going to mean cheap electricity to the British public, the north sea oil that was sold off on the cheap so that oil companies could charge the British public the earth for, & still do!! Like I said, anyone who falls for that same old line (similar to yours) complete suckers!!! Yep, well done you people for standing up for yourselves & not being, yes, you've guessed it, - SUCKERS!!!  | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics. "In which case that must make you the biggest sucker of the lot!! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker!
Let me find a bucket!
The North sea oil that belonged to the British people, the north sea oil that was going to mean cheap electricity to the British public, the north sea oil that was sold off on the cheap so that oil companies could charge the British public the earth for, & still do!!
Like I said, anyone who falls for that same old line (similar to yours) complete suckers!!!
Yep, well done you people for standing up for yourselves & not being, yes, you've guessed it, - SUCKERS!!! "Absolutely correct, what is this presumption that somehow big companies and banks are somehow the saviour of this country and the world, most are inefficient, over managed and would be bust over night if we followed a capitalist rather than corporatist doctrine. Who only exist because they owe so much money that the banks dare not shut them down as their gravy train would definitely come to an end as it should already have done. I wonder if all companies were on the gross income like you and I, rather than their net after they've deducted all their perks and expense accounts how many would exist, would Saatchi and Saatchi be so profitable if their clients couldn't deduct their fees off their tax bill, would they in turn boast all those generous charity donations if they didn't deduct those, did Starbucks invent the coffee shop so should be allowed to blatantly avoid paying tax, because it provides a a few thousand soul destroying low paid jobs and few very wealthy fatcats who incidentally probably wouldn't know how to make a cup of coffee. Might be fun to find out!!! | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics.
In which case that must make you the biggest sucker of the lot!! "And how are you qualified to decide that? | |||
" "I offer a First Class Economics degree" to the first person to send me 4 used milk bottle tops. "Steady on don't price yourself out of the market. | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker! .
That actually happens only in your mind!
Really? Where is your evidence? I offer an honours degree in Economics.
In which case that must make you the biggest sucker of the lot!!
And how are you qualified to decide that? "Because I bought 4 milk bottle tops off of Canis just before you did, 'oh uneconomical one'!! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker!
Let me find a bucket!
The North sea oil that belonged to the British people, the north sea oil that was going to mean cheap electricity to the British public, the north sea oil that was sold off on the cheap so that oil companies could charge the British public the earth for, & still do!!
Like I said, anyone who falls for that same old line (similar to yours) complete suckers!!!
Yep, well done you people for standing up for yourselves & not being, yes, you've guessed it, - SUCKERS!!!
Absolutely correct, what is this presumption that somehow big companies and banks are somehow the saviour of this country and the world, most are inefficient, over managed and would be bust over night if we followed a capitalist rather than corporatist doctrine. Who only exist because they owe so much money that the banks dare not shut them down as their gravy train would definitely come to an end as it should already have done.
I wonder if all companies were on the gross income like you and I, rather than their net after they've deducted all their perks and expense accounts how many would exist, would Saatchi and Saatchi be so profitable if their clients couldn't deduct their fees off their tax bill, would they in turn boast all those generous charity donations if they didn't deduct those, did Starbucks invent the coffee shop so should be allowed to blatantly avoid paying tax, because it provides a a few thousand soul destroying low paid jobs and few very wealthy fatcats who incidentally probably wouldn't know how to make a cup of coffee.
Might be fun to find out!!!"That is so true that you couldn't possibly have a degree in economics, - you make too much sense!! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker!
Let me find a bucket!
The North sea oil that belonged to the British people, the north sea oil that was going to mean cheap electricity to the British public, the north sea oil that was sold off on the cheap so that oil companies could charge the British public the earth for, & still do!!
Like I said, anyone who falls for that same old line (similar to yours) complete suckers!!!
Yep, well done you people for standing up for yourselves & not being, yes, you've guessed it, - SUCKERS!!!
Absolutely correct, what is this presumption that somehow big companies and banks are somehow the saviour of this country and the world, most are inefficient, over managed and would be bust over night if we followed a capitalist rather than corporatist doctrine. Who only exist because they owe so much money that the banks dare not shut them down as their gravy train would definitely come to an end as it should already have done.
I wonder if all companies were on the gross income like you and I, rather than their net after they've deducted all their perks and expense accounts how many would exist, would Saatchi and Saatchi be so profitable if their clients couldn't deduct their fees off their tax bill, would they in turn boast all those generous charity donations if they didn't deduct those, did Starbucks invent the coffee shop so should be allowed to blatantly avoid paying tax, because it provides a a few thousand soul destroying low paid jobs and few very wealthy fatcats who incidentally probably wouldn't know how to make a cup of coffee.
Might be fun to find out!!!
That is so true that you couldn't possibly have a degree in economics, - you make too much sense!! "If your pocket calculator was as accurate as economists and business analysts, you'd stamp on it throw it in the bin. Now there could lie the solution. | |||
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" It is with regret that i have to withdraw my earlier offer. Just wtf am i gonna do with 3,208 used milk bottle tops? " ps the only four i've been able to sell so far have been to that sucker Maximimus Operandi fella. | |||
" It is with regret that i have to withdraw my earlier offer. Just wtf am i gonna do with 3,208 used milk bottle tops? ps the only four i've been able to sell so far have been to that sucker Maximimus Operandi fella. " I flogged them to some ecowannabe, for a tidy profit; - see, there's a budding economist in me after all! | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000.
Aimed at fattening the pockets of a few, sucker!
The "few" create jobs for those willing to work, the "few" provide fuel for us to use that is free of foreign (e.g. Russian and ISIL) political interference, the "few" pay taxes that enable the great unemployed to continue to enjoy Jeremy Kyle and Homes under the Hammer in the morning and the "few" buy services from other UK companies that provide further jobs for those willing to work.
Every pound spent by the British Government was either originally earnt by, or is providing debt service supported by, commercial companies. Without them this country would collapse; erm; sucker!
Let me find a bucket!
The North sea oil that belonged to the British people, the north sea oil that was going to mean cheap electricity to the British public, the north sea oil that was sold off on the cheap so that oil companies could charge the British public the earth for, & still do!!
Like I said, anyone who falls for that same old line (similar to yours) complete suckers!!!
Yep, well done you people for standing up for yourselves & not being, yes, you've guessed it, - SUCKERS!!!
Absolutely correct, what is this presumption that somehow big companies and banks are somehow the saviour of this country and the world, most are inefficient, over managed and would be bust over night if we followed a capitalist rather than corporatist doctrine. Who only exist because they owe so much money that the banks dare not shut them down as their gravy train would definitely come to an end as it should already have done.
I wonder if all companies were on the gross income like you and I, rather than their net after they've deducted all their perks and expense accounts how many would exist, would Saatchi and Saatchi be so profitable if their clients couldn't deduct their fees off their tax bill, would they in turn boast all those generous charity donations if they didn't deduct those, did Starbucks invent the coffee shop so should be allowed to blatantly avoid paying tax, because it provides a a few thousand soul destroying low paid jobs and few very wealthy fatcats who incidentally probably wouldn't know how to make a cup of coffee.
Might be fun to find out!!!
That is so true that you couldn't possibly have a degree in economics, - you make too much sense!!
If your pocket calculator was as accurate as economists and business analysts, you'd stamp on it throw it in the bin.
Now there could lie the solution.". I think the Greeks did! They got sick of being told by the imf that this reform will lead to x amount of growth to actually see a 6% swing downwards | |||
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"If anyone belives that there will not be fracking in this country they are living in cloud cukoo land. This goverment will just do it, simple. They take no notice of villiage Parish Councils, they take no notice of County Councils. Just look at the developments all over the country on green field sites, loads of local opposition, then loads of new cardboard box houses appear on the country side. Do you think this lot of bread heads will let the chance of making millions for thier banker mates, go by, think on. Money is the master and the rest of us can whistle!!"
So true!
Similarly to our best preserved Iron Age hill fort, where locals and the local council have battled to prevent the building of close to 200 executive homes at its base, in Oswestry. The government sees fit to over-rule the thousands of locals, councillors and experts who have requested that building is made elsewhere, not at the reported birthplace of King Arthur's Guinevere. It's 3,000 years old, a unique piece of Britain's history, and yet the government wants to build at its base.
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"I think we should invest more in renewable sources of energy rather than fossil fuels, of which fracking is one. Who decided to call it 'fracking'? Why not call it 'Earth-Saver' if they want to sell the idea..." Fracking releases shale gas, which is a fossil fuel once you released its gone, or am I misunderstanding you. | |||
"I think we should invest more in renewable sources of energy rather than fossil fuels, of which fracking is one. Who decided to call it 'fracking'? Why not call it 'Earth-Saver' if they want to sell the idea..." Just a mixture of fracture/cracking irrc | |||
"If anyone belives that there will not be fracking in this country they are living in cloud cukoo land. This goverment will just do it, simple. They take no notice of villiage Parish Councils, they take no notice of County Councils. Just look at the developments all over the country on green field sites, loads of local opposition, then loads of new cardboard box houses appear on the country side. Do you think this lot of bread heads will let the chance of making millions for thier banker mates, go by, think on. Money is the master and the rest of us can whistle!!
So true!
Similarly to our best preserved Iron Age hill fort, where locals and the local council have battled to prevent the building of close to 200 executive homes at its base, in Oswestry. The government sees fit to over-rule the thousands of locals, councillors and experts who have requested that building is made elsewhere, not at the reported birthplace of King Arthur's Guinevere. It's 3,000 years old, a unique piece of Britain's history, and yet the government wants to build at its base.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/27/old-oswestry-hill-fort-housing-development "But they aren't destroying it. There's a whole damn city around Edinburgh Castle did that destroy it? Conway castle too there's modern buildings right up along side it. Is it destroy by it too? They aren't destroying the fort they're building next to it. Which will probably being a bit of money and improvement to it. When it was in operation it probably want surrounded by houses too | |||
"It's great that local representatives have actually represented the people that they serve. As the earth is dangerously closer to catastrophic conditions for us, we need to be taking drastic measures to use reduce our energy dependence on fossil fuels. And where we do, they should not be so potentially dangerous to water supplies etc for locals. You think it won't be us, the public, that will have to pay to bail out anything that goes seriously wrong? I'd think again. Perhaps we should have been expanding our commitment to greener fuels with public funding in the near term, rather than being so keen to reduce the deficit. Most homes do not have solar power, for example, so there's a huge market out there that could be developed, reducing our dependence upon fossil fuels for electricity etc. " Not really we survive in plenty of Conditions from the frozen north to the heat of the Sahara and the humidity of the Amazon jungle and that's just the primitive societies. We're getting potentially close to some flooding and altered weather in certain regions that's hardly going to wipe humanity out. | |||
"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once"Couldn't have put it better, myself. | |||
"Oh and your statement that they've suspended fracking in the US is laughable. Why has crude etc fallen so much in price? Partly because fracking has meant that the US has become less dependent on OPEC. Ergo the Saudis are trying to push the price down by increasing production in an attempt to drive the frackers out of business. While it may be true that some oil and gas held in shale is currently too expensive to extract that could change in the future. My understanding was that fracking had been suspended. However what I failed to include was that it wasn't country wide. There have been reports of damage to the water supplies, rivers etc which they are investigating. In Scotland our water does come from rivers, the mountains, into reservoirs so there is a possible effect of our ecology. Laughable or not, I repeat my assertion that further investigations need to be done in order to answer the questions that have arisen as a direct result of fracking in the States. Hadn't mankind done enough damage to the planet already? " Failing to Include it's not a country wide suspension is very misleading way to put it was it? "America suspends fracking" to back up your argument vs "some fracking operations in America suspended" Is very different | |||
" We don't get our water from underground sources? Have you spoken to mineral water companies or most large breweries? Because they depend on it." You fall for that old marketing stuff eh. And if you really want to help the planet stop drinking bottled water for fuck sake. | |||
"It's great that local representatives have actually represented the people that they serve. As the earth is dangerously closer to catastrophic conditions for us, we need to be taking drastic measures to use reduce our energy dependence on fossil fuels. And where we do, they should not be so potentially dangerous to water supplies etc for locals. You think it won't be us, the public, that will have to pay to bail out anything that goes seriously wrong? I'd think again. Perhaps we should have been expanding our commitment to greener fuels with public funding in the near term, rather than being so keen to reduce the deficit. Most homes do not have solar power, for example, so there's a huge market out there that could be developed, reducing our dependence upon fossil fuels for electricity etc. " . You know after the great depression and ww2, it's exactly what they did, they spent big money on big infrastructure that 20 years later paid off big style!. Instead with cronie capitalism, what we got was big spending on bailing out companies like hsbc and Barclays and rbs and Goldman Sachs and ford and ibm and general motors, and instead of these companies that we saved paying out years later like the big infrastructure did, they threaten to fuck off to Ireland if we don't reduce their fucking tax bill. It's utterly outrageous, we've spent a trillion quid and we've got shit all to show for it? What irks me the most is despite the history of utter diabolical lieing and skull duggery that the petrochemical industry has shown throughout their history, people still think there all upright lovely chaps just dying to help out some locals with some jolly cheap gas | |||
" We don't get our water from underground sources? Have you spoken to mineral water companies or most large breweries? Because they depend on it. You fall for that old marketing stuff eh. And if you really want to help the planet stop drinking bottled water for fuck sake. " . Your the guy that thinks getting water from ground sources means somebody has a well in their back garden!.... You wanna try reading the internet more instead of slagging it off. You might actually learn that nearly every water board in England tops their reservoirs with bore hole water! You don't need a geologist in the family just go to united utilities web page  | |||
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" We don't get our water from underground sources? Have you spoken to mineral water companies or most large breweries? Because they depend on it. You fall for that old marketing stuff eh. And if you really want to help the planet stop drinking bottled water for fuck sake. " No I worked at Inbev in Salmsbury, one of the biggest breweries in the country. I know where there borehole is and the pump house for it. A lot of the Midlands breweries use borehole water too, Burtonwood being the most famous for it, as its perfect for beer. | |||
" We don't get our water from underground sources? Have you spoken to mineral water companies or most large breweries? Because they depend on it. You fall for that old marketing stuff eh. And if you really want to help the planet stop drinking bottled water for fuck sake. " And I don't drink water. It's awful stuff. | |||
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"Well done little plumpton councillors .
Having been there on numerous occasions over the last 2 years, I'm so very happy for the local residents
Democracy at work. 6,000 objectors stop a project aimed at securing of future energy for 64,000,000. .
True but your fully entitled to let them drill your back garden, cause your house to loose value, cause your roads to jam up with trucks, risk possible contamination of your water, risk subsidy to your house, have constant noise in your back garden for the needs of the 64 million!
Calling people nimbys is easy when your not one of them!.
That said thank heavens for sensible councillors who actually listened to their residents for once
This isn't about 'sensible' councillors, except in the self preservation sense.
It's about a small number of councillors worried they'll be replaced at the next election by voters whose main concern is the price of their home."It's called democracy. I'm not sure if they have made the best decision for either the country or their country but it was theirs to make and they listened to their electorate and made it. | |||
"It will go ahead on appeal as the country needs the energy as the government does not give a toss about Lancashire,bet they will never frac in London" Well probably not in London or any other large city but, just like coal in Kent, being in the South East doesn't mean it won't be got at if it's there and be got at economically. | |||
" Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years." This prediction was being made in the 1970's oil crisis when it was estimated that the planet would run out of oil by 1990. | |||
" Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years. This prediction was being made in the 1970's oil crisis when it was estimated that the planet would run out of oil by 1990." Not about running out of oil, there is plenty its getting to the point where its not worth trying to get at it, fracking is just one example. I'm saying the technologies will take over anyway, why not speed it up. | |||
"Can't believe why any government allows this anyway, preservation of the ground water is far more important than any oil or oil executives expense accounts. You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years." No it won't we currently have nothing at all with an energy density and ease of transportation/storage that's remotely close to fossil fuels. If you think all the petrol strimmers and diesel generators and all the heavy machinery with diesel engines are going to be scrapped in the next 20 years you're insane for a start even if we made this wonder power plant today we wouldn't have enough time to replace everything in 20 years. No things going to be getting rid of oil in the aviation industry for a long time either | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. " Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. ... | |||
"Can't believe why any government allows this anyway, preservation of the ground water is far more important than any oil or oil executives expense accounts. You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years. No it won't we currently have nothing at all with an energy density and ease of transportation/storage that's remotely close to fossil fuels. If you think all the petrol strimmers and diesel generators and all the heavy machinery with diesel engines are going to be scrapped in the next 20 years you're insane for a start even if we made this wonder power plant today we wouldn't have enough time to replace everything in 20 years. No things going to be getting rid of oil in the aviation industry for a long time either " Little wind turbines on top of them? | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. ..." . Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining | |||
"Can't believe why any government allows this anyway, preservation of the ground water is far more important than any oil or oil executives expense accounts. You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years. No it won't we currently have nothing at all with an energy density and ease of transportation/storage that's remotely close to fossil fuels. If you think all the petrol strimmers and diesel generators and all the heavy machinery with diesel engines are going to be scrapped in the next 20 years you're insane for a start even if we made this wonder power plant today we wouldn't have enough time to replace everything in 20 years. No things going to be getting rid of oil in the aviation industry for a long time either " . The aviation industry will be practically gone in a generation? Your absolutely right we haven't got a fucking clue what to replace oil with, nothing matches it and we've got an entire infrastructure designed around it, but that won't stop that lovely little black stuff from running out, well you don't need to run out!! You just need to pass the point of which you can't supply the demand and the games over!. And quite frankly I could give you the bollocks about stats but your a pretty clever guy, you know you don't fuck around for years trying to frack a site or piss around moving billions of tonnes of tar sands in Alberta or invade half the middle East when.... There's loads of the stuff lying around all over.... No you only do that type of shit when your pretty near the fucking end of the easy shit. Just like my gran is amazed at us flying to Ibiza for the weekend your kids will revel in those stories too, as they will never see those days?... Well not unless you win the euro lottery | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining "Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers. That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining
Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers.
That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines
". The trouble with ground water is..... It runs like... Well water, it runs for hundreds of miles. It's exactly the problem facing the Jap's at Fukushima diachi... Ground water is running into the plants... Hundreds of millions of litres a month runs in gets highly contaminated with all sorts of radio active elements then pops of into the pacific... Where low and behold is showing up in California and Canada.... That water is really hard to stop running you know | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining
Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers.
That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines
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The trouble with ground water is..... It runs like... Well water, it runs for hundreds of miles.
It's exactly the problem facing the Jap's at Fukushima diachi... Ground water is running into the plants... Hundreds of millions of litres a month runs in gets highly contaminated with all sorts of radio active elements then pops of into the pacific... Where low and behold is showing up in California and Canada.... That water is really hard to stop running you know"Calm down. It's not dangerously radioactive 100 miles offshore, nevermind when it gets to the America's. Even then, wouldn't you be better off campaigning that they stop drinking Cola? | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining
Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers.
That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines
". Pretty small companies these days tend to be set up by their bigger parent companies. So like cuadrilla is owned by a parent company called CRH ... They in turn are owned by, that billion dollar outfit the Carlyle group, all registered and hidden through Bermuda. The one thing they learnt after bp,s fiasco in the gulf was.... Never get held for the liability of things going wrong.... Use a small company and if it all goes tits up ... Well you just go bust? Funnily enough CRH holdings who own cuadrilla and quite a few other small fracking outfits has paid it's directors around 8 million so far without generating any profit whatsoever! Now that's the type of firm I wanna work for | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining
Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers.
That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines
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The trouble with ground water is..... It runs like... Well water, it runs for hundreds of miles.
It's exactly the problem facing the Jap's at Fukushima diachi... Ground water is running into the plants... Hundreds of millions of litres a month runs in gets highly contaminated with all sorts of radio active elements then pops of into the pacific... Where low and behold is showing up in California and Canada.... That water is really hard to stop running you know
Calm down. It's not dangerously radioactive 100 miles offshore, nevermind when it gets to the America's.
Even then, wouldn't you be better off campaigning that they stop drinking Cola? ".Pacific Blue Finn tuna had to be withdrawn from sale because it's a thousand times over the safe limit! Tuna gets the problem because it's a high chain feeder... That is it's eaten food that eaten food which ate plankton and all those little things were contaminated so the build up is quite bad in the higher chain feeder.... Of course that's not bad it's not like humans are high chain feeders is it .
No it's not nearly like pacific star fish suddenly turning up with bizarre melting diseases, could be a total coincidence and I bet those nuclear industries are busy with endless studies to find out what the problem is.. | |||
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" Have i also read it right, that you are a gas engineer, thus enabling all us horrible folks to continue burning fossil fuels as much as we wish to? " . I am in indeed, man and boy for all my punishment lol. Although these days I could fit you a ground source pump or an air source pump or a boiler that runs on bio fuels, electric boilers, solar hot water, grey water and everything in between.... You know these days you've gotta be one step ahead to keep ahead! | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. .... Benzine, toluene,xylene, methanol and radium are a tad harder though! The ny times released a study looked at by congress which found all these chemicals and elements in fracked ground water, so if any of the wells leak, which according to the epa and the frackers themselves 1 in 45 will fail, you do possibly have a major contamination worry and one that is very hard to detect if the less than scrupulous energy firm running the rig failed to say anything about the broken well lining
Not massively so and I imagine the simplest solution would just be an exclusion zone a certain size around boreholes/aquifers.
That less than scrupulous energy firm would have to be a tiny company as big bosses don't tend to like prison sentence compared to a few million pounds in fines
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The trouble with ground water is..... It runs like... Well water, it runs for hundreds of miles.
It's exactly the problem facing the Jap's at Fukushima diachi... Ground water is running into the plants... Hundreds of millions of litres a month runs in gets highly contaminated with all sorts of radio active elements then pops of into the pacific... Where low and behold is showing up in California and Canada.... That water is really hard to stop running you know"It tends to run predictably though so you can engineer it into the system. Rather than something unexpected like fukishima which isn't really majorly contaminating. Didn't he have the Japanese official drinking a glass of water from the plant a while back? The big thing with radiation is we can pick up a single atomic decay so it's always easy to find. Plus it depends on its half life etc what the isotope is etc what whether is of any significant danger. Heck you could use this for your planning spike the ground water around a Proposed frack site with a small amount of a radioactive but safe tracer and see did it turns up in any aquifer or water resource after a few months. | |||
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" Isn't Devon itself quite radioactive and people still live there? " Every where is full of various radiations but yes anywhere either lots of granite tends to have a lot of radon. One thing I found funny was people screaming about those body scanners at airports exposing people to "dangerous radiation" when each scan was approximately equivalent exposure to 15 minutes at the 35,000 of their flight. | |||
"Can't believe why any government allows this anyway, preservation of the ground water is far more important than any oil or oil executives expense accounts. You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Technologies are being developed to render the oil industry redundant the quicker he better I say, the petrol/diesel engine will be gone in 20 years. No it won't we currently have nothing at all with an energy density and ease of transportation/storage that's remotely close to fossil fuels. If you think all the petrol strimmers and diesel generators and all the heavy machinery with diesel engines are going to be scrapped in the next 20 years you're insane for a start even if we made this wonder power plant today we wouldn't have enough time to replace everything in 20 years. No things going to be getting rid of oil in the aviation industry for a long time either " That shows an incredible lack of imagination that could get you a job in the oil industry, all petrol or diesel is an organic buttery, its not what it does it how it stores energy, conveniently. There are technologies being developed that allow the easy transport and storage of hydrogen the best fuel on the planet, its fast becoming a reality, you run a car on it, a plane on it, a truck on it, and don't even have to burn it. | |||
" You poison the groundwater you might as well swallow the oil. Separating oil and Water isn't the hardest thing in the world. ..." How about miles under ground, don't recall those huge oil spills in Alaska being to easy to manage at ground level. | |||
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"Were in the hydrogen business already! Diesel C16h34 Methane ch4 LPG c3h4 Note the high carbon has high hydrogen content. Now I'm no science expert but as I understand it.... Releasing the hydrogen with oxygen as the oxidising agent to form new bonds when burnt primarily H2O, is where the power (heat energy) comes from!. Now hydrogen is bonded to other elements in everyday life, same as above so to get all this hydrogen were going to have to put a lot of energy into separating its natural bonds.... So we have to put 1kw of energy into separating sea water to get less than a kw of hydrogen out! That doesn't sound cheap!" Yes indeed but the sea itself is a source of immense power as well as the hydrogen through hydrolysis and it running all the time, see where this is going, tap that and whats it matter whether you use 1kw to get 10w of hydrogen, if you can store it cheaply and safely it be converted in electricity through a power cell, run car, lorry, anything. The Honda Clarity is run with a hydrogen power cell, its just like a normal road car but no pollution and more torque available from 0 rpm, but it only flaw is cost (as its not mass produced) storage and availability of hydrogen, that's what they're working on, getting it is easy, storing it is the problem. | |||
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"Were in the hydrogen business already! Diesel C16h34 Methane ch4 LPG c3h4 Note the high carbon has high hydrogen content. Now I'm no science expert but as I understand it.... Releasing the hydrogen with oxygen as the oxidising agent to form new bonds when burnt primarily H2O, is where the power (heat energy) comes from!. Now hydrogen is bonded to other elements in everyday life, same as above so to get all this hydrogen were going to have to put a lot of energy into separating its natural bonds.... So we have to put 1kw of energy into separating sea water to get less than a kw of hydrogen out! That doesn't sound cheap! Yes indeed but the sea itself is a source of immense power as well as the hydrogen through hydrolysis and it running all the time, see where this is going, tap that and whats it matter whether you use 1kw to get 10w of hydrogen, if you can store it cheaply and safely it be converted in electricity through a power cell, run car, lorry, anything. The Honda Clarity is run with a hydrogen power cell, its just like a normal road car but no pollution and more torque available from 0 rpm, but it only flaw is cost (as its not mass produced) storage and availability of hydrogen, that's what they're working on, getting it is easy, storing it is the problem. " . I'm fully in agreement with you. What I happen to be pointing out is.... The change is massive and the time is now, if we want to do something in 20 years because realistically.... Even if we had the ability today (which we don't) the time involved in the job will be huge! | |||
"Were in the hydrogen business already! Diesel C16h34 Methane ch4 LPG c3h4 Note the high carbon has high hydrogen content. Now I'm no science expert but as I understand it.... Releasing the hydrogen with oxygen as the oxidising agent to form new bonds when burnt primarily H2O, is where the power (heat energy) comes from!. Now hydrogen is bonded to other elements in everyday life, same as above so to get all this hydrogen were going to have to put a lot of energy into separating its natural bonds.... So we have to put 1kw of energy into separating sea water to get less than a kw of hydrogen out! That doesn't sound cheap! Yes indeed but the sea itself is a source of immense power as well as the hydrogen through hydrolysis and it running all the time, see where this is going, tap that and whats it matter whether you use 1kw to get 10w of hydrogen, if you can store it cheaply and safely it be converted in electricity through a power cell, run car, lorry, anything. The Honda Clarity is run with a hydrogen power cell, its just like a normal road car but no pollution and more torque available from 0 rpm, but it only flaw is cost (as its not mass produced) storage and availability of hydrogen, that's what they're working on, getting it is easy, storing it is the problem. . I'm fully in agreement with you. What I happen to be pointing out is.... The change is massive and the time is now, if we want to do something in 20 years because realistically.... Even if we had the ability today (which we don't) the time involved in the job will be huge!" It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI | |||
"It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI" That'll be me after a chilli.  | |||
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"It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI That'll be me after a chilli. "Well I suggest if you're the big shot you say you are , you'd do worse than throw a few grand this companies way. I have, my pension looking good. | |||
"It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI That'll be me after a chilli.
Well I suggest if you're the big shot you say you are , you'd do worse than throw a few grand this companies way. I have, my pension looking good."I agree it's definitely worth considering. There are a couple of sticking points and, as an investor, there are some arguably better bets for ROI in the short/medium term (unrelated industry-wise), but certainly it's looking increasingly the way to go. | |||
"It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI That'll be me after a chilli. "I think that's more likely to be methane, not hydrogen! | |||
"It's happening right now, they're developing at way of storing hydrogen in pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAf7MsuPjI That'll be me after a chilli.
I think that's more likely to be methane, not hydrogen!"I suppose I was kind of thinking more of hydrocarbons, sure. | |||
"It's estimated that, if the whole country switched to LED bulbs in place of filament or so-called energy saving bulbs, the UK could save the need for several power stations - the technology is there and freely available... it really is a no-brainer. For my part, I use LED bulbs throughout my home and business premises. I also generate all my own 240v electricity with a photovoltaic array (even on overcast days) and sell back into the grid via FIT. I haven't had a utility bill in years. It's so simple I'm baffled why more people don't do it. I suppose they think because it's green that it's just for low-life hippy drop outs. Maybe they feel threatened by the idea of actually bothering to use their brains and think things through - much easier to keep running with the crowd and keep paying the bills. It's an all too prevalent attitude I'd find amusing in a kind of condescending way if it wasn't for the fact that dullards like that are voting with their feet and pounds to fuck our environment up ever more and more and tighten the grip large corporations have over us... fucking morons. "we were lucky enough to have solar panels fitted for free in march thanks to our local council .concequently our electricity bills have halved ( we don't get all the benefit the council take some ) have a colleague at work who is being offered the same deal but doesent want it as it will only last ten years the need replacing wtf it's ten years of cheaper electricity no pleasing some people | |||
